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luvinhubby:
He was Abacha's tormentor in chief when he was the US ambassador to Nigeria

God rest his soul

Emusan:
So are other denominations practiced all these 5 points or only JWs?

Whether am a Church goer or not I'll keep it to my chest.



Is THEOCRACY a scriptural terminology?



This is pure lies...

Why do they say they're the ONLY TRUE CHRISTIANS doing the will of Jehovah?



So you know this but you join your organization to condemn everyone who doesn't belong to your organization as enemy of Jehovah.



The Phrase "House of God" here does mean House of Jehovah or another God?

because I don't know why judgement will start from House of God (Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's witnesses) when everyone there are already doing His will.

Or should we say, the HOUSE OF GOD means everybody who is named with the name of Christ which Apostle Paul admonishes them to depart from iniquity.



When, where and how will this judgement take place because you people only talk about Armageddon!

Maximus69:
My brother i'm really short of words!

Jehovah's Witnesses said Jesus returned in 1914, critics were spewing gibberish up and down but a real intellectual will notice the rapid progress in this group.
They've made changes in virtually all the things they knew before 1914, they've penetrated all the nations even most racist people yet they're unitedly preaching and teaching the same thing!
There is no other group where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign like amongst Jehovah's Witnesses.
And about the global pandemic, do you notice the name of this disease? Well it's globally known as "Covid19" because it struck in China 2019 exactly 100 years that Jehovah's Witnesses began the global campaign of preaching and teaching immediately after their release in 1919!
Ever since then there has never been anything that made this organization announce globally that their members should stop going from house to house not until 2019!
So this Organization kick off the campaign since 1919, they stopped not by force in 2019 due to Covid19. My brother, this is a sure warning that something is about to happen globally, i'm just glad that all these is happening in my own generation, surely there's much to relate after armageddon to those who will be resurrected!

Maximus69:
That's what a so called pastor who happens to be my former neighbour wanted to use to accuse God's organization!
But as a former soldier i know that during war our commanders often change strategies which we must pass on to other members of the army as last order, and failure to comply with the new order is tantamount to sabotage, note that i say failure to comply not even a refusal which could be termed as Intentional! Any soldier found wanting in this regard may be killed if his/her action was intentional.
When i read in the Bible how Jesus give orders to his disciples and tell them to change strategies there is no doubt he's a true army commander and it's clear that there is an ongoing spiritual war!

So seeing Jehovah's Witnesses swiftly making changes globally in the way they do things is clear proof that a mighty spirit being is working with this imperfect humans (who don't even know the rules of the army) definitely JWs are the only soldiers of Christ if there is anything like that!

sonofElElyon:
God bless you brother..

achorladey:
Take note of the bolded as it apply scripturally. Are you an unfaithful slave of Christ. Do you slave for Christ?

achorladey:
Fellow believer restricted to your denomination or extended to other christian denominations?

Are you a churchgoer?

Why do your organization group see all churchgoers as Christendom?

What does your organization teach about CHRISTENDOM? Do your organization judge Christendom now?

FrLukas:
Wait a minute!

China doesn't allow Facebook, WhatsApp, Google and Twitter to run in their country?

Are you sure about that?

I'm just hearing that for the first time.

IgbalodeRaymond:
it's a different case
better managed by US than communist china
China can't be trusted
God bless Trump

Maximus69:
Good morning brother!
achorladey is an apostate!
That's why i often avoid him because he's empty without the Watchtower Organization, yet he is a fierce antagonist of the same organization that taught him everything he knows!
Agape!

achorladey:
Pay heed to the bolded and remember public relations.

Association with Jehovah's Organization*

Association with Jehovah's organization - the Watchtower Society - is presented as essential for salvation.

"If we stop actively supporting Jehovah's work, then we start following Satan. There is no middle ground." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.18

Since there is no middle ground and JWS don't believe other Christians are doing Jehovah's work, What does this tell you about JWs judging others.

"But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14

Since the only organization surviving is the JW ORGANIZATION. What does this tell you about the judgement of all other ORGANIZATION?

"But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy." Watchtower 1993 Sep 15 p.22

Since drawing away from the organization is as good as no room for SALVATION, what is the Judgement then for those who are not members of the organization at all or refused to join?

"Only Christian witnesses of Jehovah who successfully pass this test will survive and come forth like fire-refined gold for God's use in his precious new order." Watchtower 1985 Mar 1 p.14

The key here is the bolded. What is the judgement for those not Christian witnesses of Jehovah

This Christian witnesses of Jehovah is its more like Christ followers witnesses of Jehovah

*WTBTS

achorladey:
Maximus69 over to you @ the first bolded

Concerning the second bolded how will you define those related to you in the Faith? Keyword here is RELATED. Note it very well.

You can knock on people's door because someone had made you see them as GOATS that need to be converted to SHEEP before Judgement.

Or someone told you to go and look for "HONESTHEARTED" ones amidst the community at large based on the definition of "honesthearted" given to you by those who gave you the commission to knock on people's door.

Finally the image is from your brothers. Do they look like those JUDGING or not JUDGING? By the term "churchgoers" who do you think the poster is referring to? Do you agree with his comment and share same line of thoughts regarding not judging.

achorladey:
@ Maximus69 come and see how your brother(ospido) is calling someone(sonofElElyon) not worshipping Jehovah brother. Are you in the same line of thought or ospido hasn't come across that particular teaching in your magazines?

Do you think it is right for ospido to call sonofElElyon brother or friend?

sonofElElyon:
take care and God bless you.

Maximus69:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I'm the one who need to continue praying for you guys because you people never gave up on me while i was practicing Islam. You spent your time, energy and resources back then coming to look for me even when i was so hostile until the seed started germinating!

Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you and may God bless you people for locating me!

sonofElElyon:
still goes back to you guys believing you are the only true worshippers of God while others are not. christians also believe that your sect is heretical and in fact I share that belief.. I believe your sect is based on false doctrines. so we are back where we started!!!

can't you see that there's no end to this

God bless you.. just reply God bless me too and end this...

sonofElElyon:
you have chosen your stand and I have chosen mine.. obviously there's no likelihood of agreement even if I continue to respond to you till kingdom come..

God bless you

sonofElElyon:
I have said I won't reply you anymore but you keep presenting materials that your sect has provided to prove its erroneous assertion


This is one of the most common verses of contention between the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians. Their false assumption is that Jesus is not God in flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man.  Therefore, since they deny that Jesus is divine, they have altered the Bible in John 1:1 so that Jesus is not divine in nature.  The New World Translation has added the word "a" to the verse so that it says, " . . . and the Word was a god."  The correct translation of this verse is "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."  This is how it is rendered in the NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, ASV, RSV, etc.

The New World translation is incorrect in its translation of this verse for several reasons.  First of all, the Bible teaches a strict monotheism.  To say that Jesus is "a god" is to suggest that there is another god besides YHWH, which is contrary to scripture Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8, etc.. Of course, the Jehovah's Witnesses will respond that Jesus is not the Almighty God, but a "lesser" kind of God.  He is the "mighty God" as is referenced in Isaiah 9:6, "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us, and the government will rest on His shoulders, and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."  Therefore, they say that Jesus is the mighty god but not the Almighty God.

The immediate problem with this explanation is that YHWH is also called the Mighty God in Jeremiah 32:18 and Isaiah 10:21.  In all three verses, including Isaiah 9:6, the Hebrew word for "mighty" (gibbor) is used.

Isaiah 10:20-21, "Now it will come about in that day that the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them, but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel.  21A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God."

Jer. 32:18, "who showest lovingkindness to thousands, but repayest the iniquity of fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God, the LORD of hosts is His name."

We can see that the Jehovah's Witness explanation is not valid; both the Son and God are called the Mighty God.

Furthermore, how many actual gods are there in scripture?  The obvious answer is that there is only one God in existence.  Though there are others who have been falsely called gods 1 Cor. 8:5-6 or even said to be "as God" like Moses (Ex. 4:16; 7:1, there is only one real God Gal. 4:8-9; Isaiah 44:6, 8. If Jesus is "a god" that was "with God" in the beginning, then is Jesus a true god or a false god?

But, the Jehovah's Witnesses often claim that Jesus is a god in the sense that Moses was called a god; but, Moses was not called a god.  Rather, he would be "as God."

"Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and it shall come about that he shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be as God to him." Exodus 4:16

"Then the Lord said to Moses, 'See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.'" Exodus 7:1

Why was Moses going "as God" to Pharaoh?  Because Moses was given the authority and power to display powerful miracles that decimated much of Egypt.  Was Moses really a god?  Being "as God" with regard to the power given to perform miracles over Egypt is not the same thing as being called "a god" that was in the beginning with God. John 1:1

John was a strict Jew, a monotheist. Does the Jehovah's Witness really think that John would be saying that there was another God besides Jehovah even if it were Jesus? Being raised a good Jew, the Apostle John would never believe that there was more than one God in existence. Yet, he compared the word with God, said the word was God, and that the word became flesh John 1:1, 14

John 1:1 in a literal translation reads thus:  "In beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and God was the word."  Notice that it says "God was the word." This is the actual word-for-word translation.  It is not saying that "a god was the word."  That wouldn't make sense.  Let me break it down into three statements.

"In beginning was the word . . . " 
(en    arche      en  ho  logos)

A very simple statement that the Word was in the beginning.

"and the word was with the God . . . "
(kai  ho  logos  en  pros ton theon)

This same Word was with God.

"and God was the word."-Properly translated as "and the Word was God."
(kai theos en   ho  logos)

This same Word was God.

Regarding statement 3 above, the correct English translation is " . . . and the Word was God" and not "and God was the word."  This is because if there is only one definite article "ho"="the" in a clause where two nouns are in the nominative "subject" form "theos" and "logos", then the noun with the definite article "ho"="the" is the subject.  In this case "ho logos" means that "the word" is the subject of the clause.  Therefore, " . . . the Word was God" is the correct translation and not "God was the Word."1 But this does not negate the idea that John is speaking of only one God, not two, even though the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that Jesus is "a god" or the "mighty god" as was addressed above.

Is there suddenly a new god in the text of John 1:1?  It is the same God that is being spoken of in part 2 as in part 3.  How do the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that the word had somehow become a god in this context since there is only one God mentioned? Remember, the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus was Michael the Archangel.  Therefore, is there any place in the Bible where an angel is called "a god" besides Satan being called the god of this world in 2 Cor. 4:3-4

John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God!'"

In the Greek in John 20:28 Thomas said to Jesus, "ho kurios mou, kai ho theos mou," "The Lord of me, and the God of me." If Jesus was not God, but "a" god, then shouldn't Jesus have corrected Thomas?  Shouldn't Jesus have said, "No, Thomas, I am not the God.  I am a god."?  But Jesus did not.  To do so would have been ludicrous.  Nevertheless, the Jehovah's Witness will say that Thomas was so stunned by Jesus' appearance that he swore.  This is ridiculous because it means that Thomas, a devout man of God, swore in front of Jesus and used the Lord's name in vain in violation of Exodus 20:7.  This is hardly the case since we find no New Testament equivalent of a disciple of Christ using God's name in vain.

In conclusion, John 1:1 is best translated without the "a" inserted into the text.  "The Word was God" is the best translation.  This way, we do not run into the danger of polytheism with Jesus being "a god."  We do not have Thomas the disciple swearing and using God's name in vain; and, we do not have the problem of Jesus being a "mighty god" and yet not the God--even though God Himself is called the Mighty God Jeremiah 32:18; Isaiah 10:21

https://carm.org/john-1-1-word-was-god

Nbotee:
Buhari till 4044... Now Ppl will appreciate d freedom dey enjoyed wen dey organized concerts/protests in Ojota and other parts of the country...

9gerian:
This must be the most patriotic Nigerians, and some of the most patriotic people on the face of the earth!

It is hard being patriotic as a Nigerian! Even the leaders in power are not patriotic else there will not be such gigantic looting of the treasury ongoing.

Shame on those security operatives who are protecting the wicked leaders by arresting protesters, in spite of them (soldiers/police) and their families being the first line victims of the systems created by the thieving politicians.

Remix10:
Freedom of speech and protest is a goner in this country, this is what happens when you elect a tyrant to rule in a democratic era, Zombies oya food don done!

realstars:
The Devil Called Buratai Is A Trap To The Citizens, Yet He Is Good In Killing His Men Before The War,

ThreeBlackBird:
Look at the youth. Docile people! They would rather sit with BBNaija, watching those contestants while they sleep all through the night. And eventually, one man has decided to shake up some trees in government but it is this same set of unproductive young thugs and rascals who would open their smelly mouth to talk bad of him.

I have great respect for Nnamdi Kalu, although, I'm Yoruba. If only we have a few more young people like him and Sowore, we'll have scattered this country and rearranged it if that would be possible.

Owologbo:
Have you read John 1:1-14 before? if yes, what is your understanding of vs 1 and 14?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

sonofElElyon:
I have explained to you my own views about the doctrine of Trinity vide my post which you last mentioned. please stay out of my mentions from now.. I've spent enough time on this.. i have other things to do.. if you don't agree with me and want to continue in your error it's your choice.. I have said my piece.. we've been on this since yesterday.. I believe you people are heretics and I stand by this.. "Jesus is angel Michael" is the most ridiculous thing anyone can say.. but it's your right. your view to you and mine to me..

Chibae4real:
Please study and meditate the Bible very well. Read and study John chapter 1 vs 1, which says
'In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God' mean. It's a reference to the Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity - Jesus Christ, who is the Word incarnate.

sonofElElyon:
that's why I said you don't understand the doctrine of Trinity. I clearly stated in my earlier post that Jesus is one with God and the Holy Spirit IN UNITY (not in number).. He is God because of the reasons I stated earlier. same with the Holy Spirit who is a person and not a force!
Jesus and the Holy Spirit share the same nature, attributes power and essence with the Father and pre existed all other things and beings. The triune God jointly created all things and the Bible is filled with verses to that effect.. Regarding the issue of Christ having a beginning, that was in the dateless past before time and before any other thing or being came to existence... it is clear that if Christ is the Son of God He must've proceeded from the Father.. the only analogy / illustration I can think of is the amoeba that replicates itself asexually.. That is why Christ is God.. He proceeded out of the Father.. Very God of God.. Very Light of Light.. Of the same essence and nature as the Father..
It also follows that the Holy Spirit is God because He is the Spirit of God and shares the same nature essence power and attributes of God, together with Jesus to the exclusion of all other beings.. Also proceeding from the Father in the dateless past before time and before any other thing or being came into existence..
It is common knowledge that Christ is almighty and so is the Holy Spirit.. that's why He said to the Father in the book of John "restore unto me the glory I had with you before the foundation of the world.. and "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow of things in heaven and Earth and under earth" also "ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH". remember that Paul also wrote in Hebrews "When God brought the begotten (Jesus) into the world He (God) said "let ALL the angels worship Him (Christ).
For the Holy Spirit it is clear that He is almighty for even The Father said " not by might nor by power but by my Spirit says the Lord.
Father Son and Spirit are God over all creation.. They created all things and sustain all things. The Bible says so.. I can only give few Bible verses. please Google the rest.
I hope you now understand the doctrine of the Trinity

sonofElElyon:
you simply don't understand..

Christ is the express image of God, sharing the same nature and essence as the Father.. that is why the Jews accused Him of making himself God because he said God is His Father.. they understand that he made himself equal to God meaning that he claimed to be in the class of God which He is! It doesn't mean He is the Father.. no one has ever said that.. the position is that he shares all the attributes, power, nature, quality and essence of God.. no Angel has these attributes.. just the Father, Son and Spirit.. "when you have seen Me, you have seen the Father".. "I and my Father are one" in nature and in unity

gawu1:
When Obaseki was disqualified by APC screening panel he crawled to PDP and bought their ticket without shame.
Obaseki was APC governor for over 3 years, only to get PDP party ticket just after 1week of leaving APC. Armed with his dollars every PDP man standing started singing for the Messiah has arrived. There was no shame.