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In the case of child abuse, this still has not gone far enough, and for the sake of children in the congregation, precautions should be taken as soon as there is an accusation from even a single witness.

The Watchtower tries to shift responsibility for its policy to God and the Bible.

"The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19)" Watchtower 1995 Nov 1 pp.28-9

This is based on the following scriptures -

Deuteronomy 19:15 "No single witness may convict another for any error or any sin that he may commit. On the testimony of two witnesses or on the testimony of three witnesses the matter should be established."

Matthew 18:15,16 "Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established."

2 Corinthians 13:1 "On the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter must be established."

In the 2002 May 24 Letter to Elders, after ongoing negative publicity, Watchtower came to the conclusion that the two-witness rule could now be Scripturally fulfilled when accusations came from two separate incidents, a tacit admission that their strict adherence to the two-witness principle had not been Jehovah's requirement after all.

This still falls short, as surely a single accusation should count when supported by corroborating evidence, such as of a medical nature.

"In recent weeks, the press in this country has focused attention on the way accusations of child abuse are handled by various religious organizations.

Such reports may cause some sincere individuals to ask about the procedures followed by Jehovah's Witnesses.

We expect the elders to investigate every allegation of child abuse. Even one abused child is one too many.

However, in evaluating the evidence, they must bear in mind the Bible's clear direction: "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin. At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good." (Deuteronomy 19:15)

Later, this requirement to consider testimony of two or three witnesses was confirmed by Jesus. (Matthew 18:16)

Thus, although they investigate every allegation, the elders are not authorized by the Scriptures to take congregational action unless there is a confession or there are two credible witnesses.

However, if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing, their testimony can be deemed sufficient to take action.-" I Timothy 5:19,24,25." - TO ALL CONGREGATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES Letter to Elders May 24, 2002

Courz:
Wow. Congratulations. I wish you a happy and successful Marriage.

Thanks a lot bro.

Maynman:
The deep sleep i was talking about was in genesis 2:21.
And the word for “god” here is elohim, which means gods, it is a pantheon, the head of the pantheon is El.
That’s why in genesis 1:26, they were discussing let’s make man(humankind) in our image, male and female.

The pantheon consists of male and female gods like queen asheerah.

It is said that this ELOHIM or pantheon of "God's" is the same as the ANNUNAKI from the ancient Sumerian epic.

The top two figures in this pantheon are -

ENKI VS ENLIL - Sumerian

ZUES VS POSIEDON - Greecian

Jehovah VS The Lord - Hebrew, etc.

The same entities with just different names...

Maynman:
Yeah, all mythologies using symbolism.
Do you read on Kabbalah too?
Yaldaboath is Malchut.

I haven't done a deep dive into the philosophy of the Kabbalah - yet.

I will do some research on Malcut.

Maynman:
Yes, you will also know about the demiurge.

Yes, I have read about the demiurge.

A school of thought argues that - The Demiurge is the same person as Yahweh or Jehovah, who is also the same person as Yaldaboath, who is still the same person as ENLIL from the Sumerian epic.

This is interesting Maynman.

The fact that you called Eve a philosopher casts my mind back to a Gnostic Scripture from the Nag Hammadi Library titled: "The Revelation of Adam"

Courz:
I'm doing fine. How are you doing? Been a while as well.

I've been good bro.

Fun Fact - I got married to the love of my life this past month.

Sorry say I no send you invitation.

The victim in your post really made bank o. 40 million dollars. Watchtower is capable. They are swimming in Billions after all.

They have more than enough money to pay for the mounting court cases.

8 million Jehovah's Witnesses are ready to donate to the cause.

Moreso their stock and real estate investment is more than enough.

😅😅

The Watchtower 1995 Nov 1 pp.28-9 gave the following advice regarding accusations of child abuse.

"What Can Elders Do?

If the elders are approached by a member of the congregation who is experiencing flashbacks or repressed memories of child abuse, two of them are usually assigned to help.

These elders should kindly encourage the afflicted one to focus for the time being on coping with the emotional distress. The names of any remembered abusers should be kept in strict confidence.

The elders primary task is to act as shepherds. (Isaiah 32:1,2; 1Peter 5:2,3) They should be especially careful to clothe [themselves] with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering. (Colossians 3:12)

Let them listen in a kindly way and then apply healing words from the Scriptures. (Proverbs 12:18) Some who are afflicted with painful memories have expressed appreciation for elders who make regular visits or even telephone calls to check to see how they are doing.

Such contacts need not take a lot of time, but they show that Jehovah's organization cares. When the afflicted one realizes that his Christian brothers truly love him, he may be helped to recover a considerable degree of emotional balance.

What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter.

If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter.

In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation.

He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved.

What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.

If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way .

And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19)

Even if more than one person remembers abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence.

This does not mean that such memories are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially.

What if the one accused though denying the wrong doing is really guilty? Does he get away with it, as it were? Certainly not! The question of his guilt or innocence can be safely left in Jehovah's hands.

The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men their sins also become manifest later. (1Timothy 5:24; Romans 12:19; 14:12)

The book of Proverbs says: The expectation of the righteous ones is a rejoicing, but the very hope of the wicked ones will perish. When a wicked man dies, his hope perishes. (Proverbs 10:28; 11:7)

Ultimately, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus render everlasting judgment in justice. 1 Corinthians 4:5."

*Please note the bolded for emphasis.

THE TWO WITNESS RULE

The fundamental flaw of Watchtower child abuse policy has been an unyielding application of the "two-witness" rule.

Until the late 1990s, egregious Watchtower policy dictated that two witnesses must be present at the same sexual encounter, for the perpetrator to be considered to have committed a Scriptural offence.

In the case of child molestation, there are almost never two witnesses.

This meant that even when several children made an accusation against the same brother, the elders were to do nothing.

Without two witnesses, the only time action could be taken was when the accused confessed.

Elders were aware of serial child abusers, yet no action was taken either within the congregation, or by contacting the police.

It is incomprehensible that the Governing Body could sanction such a policy.

Courz:
Nice one Oteneaaron. I was going to post this News in your Thread. JW, The best performing Orgy and Child Sex Trafficking organisation.

Do you know that a JW who was involved in a Child Sexual Abuse case that involved Satanic Rituals was recently spotted giving a Talk at a present convention ongoing in the US? That's to show the High level corruption in JW.

Please feel free to share on this thread...

How have you been bro?

It's been a while.

There have been several reasons that pedophiles have been able to find sanctuary amongst Jehovah's Witnesses and that the Watchtower Society is now being held accountable for the actions of its members

Most damaging as will be described in detail later on this thread, are the following reasons:

1. The two Witness rule to establish scriptural crimes

2. The three year rule for sins of Elders.

Other reasons include:

1. Worldly wisdom cannot be trusted

2. Reproach must nt be brought on Jehovah's Organization - Witnesses are expected to solve problems within

3. Everyone must engage in preaching

It was not until the late 1990s, particularly since 1997, that Watchtower made attempts at policy improvement regarding child abuse, following legal and media pressure.

However, the July 2015 Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse showed that Watchtower policies still fall woefully short of accepted best practice.

The situation amongst Jehovah's Witnesses regarding pedophiles is reminiscent of the Catholic Church.

The New York Times has however noted a difference between pedophilia amongst Jehovah's Witnesses and the Catholics.

In the Catholic Church: "most of the people accused of abuse are priests and avast majority of the victims are boys and young men.

In the the Jehovah's Witnesses some of those accused are elders, but mostly congregation members.

The victims who have stepped forward are mostly girls and young women, and many accusations involve incest. " - August 11, 2002.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3chu1HD17xs

A victim of sexual abuse in Hawaii has been awarded a whopping $40 Million In a Jehovah's Witness sex assault case.

According to the report, the victim was sexually assaulted in 1992 - when she was just 12 years old by an Elder of the Jehovah's Witness organization.

Fun Fact:

An Elder in the Jehovah's Witness organization is a high ranking member who holds some form of power and control among the rank and file members.

These "Elders" have a secret manual or handbook they use to micro-manage the rank and file members of the organization.

This secret handbook or manual is titled: "Shepherd The Flock Of God"

It is a fact that the rot of sexual abuse of children has eaten deep into the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Dear parents, please keep your children safe.

Pedophiles are everywhere - not just among Jehovah's Witnesses.

Stay safe.

The OP has a point.

It may sound like childish conspiracy theories, but the truth is stranger than fiction.

There are no coincidences - everything is premeditated and happens for a specific reason.

If you can identify 666 in the new threads logo, then there must be a rationale behind it.

In recent times, many of the so-called "conspiracy theories" have turned out to be FACTS.

Remember - there are no coincidences.

MaxInDHouse:
Investigations come when laws (constitution) of the community is disregarded and It's the culture and traditions that gives birth to the constitution of any community so when blasphemy occur the blasphemer may not be opportuned to defend his case before the law court most especially in a community where there is high regard for the culture and traditions.
For instance in some countries it's a crime to be found chewing something during fasting period so if a defaulter is beheaded the killer will be hailed and rewarded for upholding the constitution without even waiting for investigations!

Please Read Numbers 25:1-11

The law was broken and a plague began that's killing people in thousands only for Phinehas to raise a spear and pin two consenting adults having sex. Well their prophet said God has spoken and hailed Phinehas for a job well done!

So we need to be conscious of the traditions and culture in any community we live {Matthew 5:17} it's the western world that's making rules to control all of these that's why some communities are against Western education:

Boko Haram simply means Western education is against God's will!

Spoken like a true religious FANATIC.

Fanatic

/fəˈnatɪk/

noun

a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.

"religious fanatics"

Similar: zealot, extremist

budaatum:
I think you become more "how" you regularly think about what you think about too, and even moreso.

Take me. I regularly think about religion and their gods but that does not make me a believer in imaginary gods, perhaps because of the sort of thinking that I do, as in how I think about what I think about.

Humans must be "psychologically manipulated", and it doesn't need to be a tool for destruction but a tool for development and for growth too. An example would be the manipulation of Nigerians so they do not kill each other or drive on the walkway or that they take personal responsibility for their neighbourhoods or to not participate in corruption or even learn to read and write, because education of minds which is what non-destructive manipulation is, is the cheapest long term and beneficial method to achieve these desirable goals. Even punishment is just one part of tools to manipulate the mind so it achieves positive development

The passage of certain ideas into the people’s minds is the purposeful and mindful and conscious goal of some. And though some may wrongly indoctrinate generations, a generation will arise that will critically consider what they are manipulated with, and "experience a transformation of thinking and the emergence of new political doctrines and religious ideologies that lead to the unification of thinking and behavior" and human progress will occur. It's how we evolve as a species after all..

You read the destructive side. The "Adam shall die" side. You must read the positive side called:
Education AS A MECHANISM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION IN THE PROCESS OF INVOLVEMENT IN Societal Development to confirm that constructive religious (and non-religious) organizations exist and use a more positive side of "manipulation" to achieve positive outcomes. Add critical thinking to the mix and people might positively manipulate themselves to become gods.

Thank you for your wonderful submission.

In reality, we are both saying the same thing, but in different languages.

The keyword here is "destructive religious organizations".

Cheers!

Rostikol:
I'm just tired of these imported religions.

My ancestors did not worship any white man as their god or ''saviour''.

SO WHY THE HELL should I be doing it JUST BECAUSE some people overpowered my ancestors with guns and bombs to seize their land, and then forced their foreign gods on us?

There is NO REASON I should be worshiping the god of the people who killed and raped my ancestors, and seized/looted their land for a century.

I beg the ancestors for forgiveness for this terrible error on my part.

No wonder we have so many problems in this land. We're worshiping the gods of the people who slaughtered our ancestors.

Speaking their language too.

Dressing like them!

Bleaching our skins to look like them!

Straightening our hair to look like theirs!

Forming accent to sound like them!

Somebody wake me up from this dystopian nightmare!

NONSENSE.

Please, anyone that can suggest a good benevolent deity from ANY ethnicity, whom one can use as his conduit to Divinity, let me know.

I'm DONE with this shit.

Thanks all.

If you studied the ancient history of our ancestors, you would have known that they never really worshipped any power outside themselves.

Our ancestors taught only one doctrine - KNOWLEDGE OF SELF.

Look Within!

The "God" you are searching for is living deep within your subconscious mind.

Know thyself and you will find "God" .

Cheers!

johnw47:
otenearron, as you can see, sticking up for false jw's make them even more paranoid and accusing

Oh I see it clearly.

Sometimes we just have to be the bigger person.

The joke is on him.

😇

brocab:
As I read this: Max seeks Mediums for advice: so I hope this helps you with your inquires, seeking a Medium is not seeking after God, and if Max was Muslim one would think Max would seek after Allah...
Now Max claims he is one of the main attractions in the watchtower, an elder of some sort:
So you will either disregard this page: hoping no one will see it: or you would question Max 'why he seeks after Mediums instead of seeking after Jehovah himself.

I completely get where you're coming from.

But it seems you might have misunderstood what Max said in that post.

Even though I am vehemently against the dogmas and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses, I will not be party to false accusations.

I only work with Hard Evidence that can be verified.

The "medium" he spoke about was not a spirit medium per se.

He was actually referring to that his post/thread on Nairaland as the "medium" of communication.

I think you should read it again, carefully.

I hope this helps.

Cheers!

brocab:
Max: remember 'where you had gained your information from, you seeked after a Medium, and through his/her's understanding you were led to the Watchtower.

I hope you don't mind me asking, but do you have any evidence to prove the above statement?

If yes, kindly point me in the right direction.

Thanks.

What is the difference between black and brown people?

According to ancient history, Egypt as we know it today was once called KEMET - meaning the black land.

It was called the black land either,

- Because of the dark loamy soil around the Nile or

- Because of the dark colors of their skin.

What I don't understand is how you came up with the Ham ancestry.

Where is proof for that?

Or have you forgotten that the story of the flood in the Bible is not original but was copied from the Atrahasis which written thousands of years before the Bible?

@Richwallet

chieveboy:
PYTHAGORAS


Pythagoras was a ECK Master in the Fifth Century B.C., an adept in the
Ancient Order of the Vairagi adepts, and well known as a Greek philosopher.

Pythagoras’ greatest statement was, “So that, ascending into the radiant Ether, midst the Immortals,
shall be thyself a God.” Pythagoras was one of the first who was well versed in the “mys-
teries of what effort is required to do something.”

According to Pythagoras, soul could
be at one of three points in relation to the body. It could be inside the head, just outside
the skull or off at a distance. The great Greek teacher said that the top of the head is the
point where the human merges with the divine.

I studied elsewhere that Pythagoras was trained in the Egyptian mysteries.

I also learnt that his concept of the Pythagoras Theorem we learnt in mathematics, was inspired by his education into the mysteries of ancient Egypt.

See this book by John Anthony West - Serpent in the Sky - The high Wisdom of Ancient Egypt.

So how was he an "ECK" master?

Can you point to any reference maybe in one of his many writings where he explicitly stated that he was or is an "ECK" master?

Aemmyjah:
When a mad man accuses you of something so as to gain usual attention from people passing, it will be amusing for you to ask him to prove his accusations. Let him s keep amusing his listeners

Going by this your statement, you must be a mad man too, because you have accused me - Oteneaaron to be the same person as Courz.

Till date, you have never provided any evidence to prove your accusation.

Don't be a hypocrite.

Here we go again.

Another weekend, another round of religious propaganda.

Here are some additional information the OP has purposely refused to mention:

1. These 144,000 people going to "heaven" are made up of mostly Jehovah's Witnesses. So if you're not a member of their religion, forget about it - you are not among these "special few" going to "heaven".

2. If you're not a Jehovah's Witness, you and billions of other people who are members of other religions will be killed by Jesus in the coming war of Armageddon.

As proof, here are some quotes from their own publications:

"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19

"In fact, with God's day of judgment so near today, all the world should 'keep silent before the Sovereign Lord Jehovah' and hear what he says through the "little flock" of Jesus' anointed followers and their companions, his "other sheep." (Luke 12:32; John 10:16)

Annihilation awaits all who will not listen and who thereby set themselves against rule by God's Kingdom." Watchtower 2001 Feb 15 p. 14

"There are billions of people who do not know Jehovah. Many of them in ignorance practice things that God's Word shows to be wicked. If they persist in this course, they will be among those who perish during the great tribulation." Watchtower 1993 Oct 1 p.19

So if you're not a member of the Jehovah’s Witness organization, just know that you are on the path for destruction.

Please @Jokanem, next time when you're posting some these your theological propaganda, make sure you post EVERYTHING so that the general public has a complete picture of the idea you're trying to impress on their minds.

Cheers!

Courz:
Of course. You're welcome.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/abs/mental-health-of-jehovahs-witnesses/C3C3B14DA9C1DA3D9A699E2D1F5CAC34

This is great.

Thanks a million bro.

Courz:
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

These JWs are Idiots. When they are losing arguments and people are beating them senseless with Bible quotes, they get desperate and accuse you to be 5 monikers. This kind of Madness is special. Their fellow JWs viewing the thread will bow their heads in shame. What a Disgrace! No wonder Their Freemason Watchtower warned them not to have these kind of discussions because they will expose the stupidity of the Cult.

Can you please share with me a link the study from Cambridge University about the mental health of Jehovah's Witnesses?

I would like to study the research paper for myself.

Thank you in advance.

FxMasterz:
They first pretend to be very nice people but once you get closer to them, they'll show you their true colors.

This is an accurate description of Jehovah's Witnesses.

I can assure you that very soon on this thread, as long as you stand your ground, it won't be long before they start raining insults on you, or start calling you names.

Their hypocrisy is legendary.

😁😁

jaephoenix:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-epstein-charity-idUSKBN0L51G720150201
This is an example of a charity org that rejects some fundings

This is interesting.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't care where the money comes from.

I'm sure if they were in the shoes of that charity organization you mentioned above, they definitely wouldn't mind.

Even if the money comes from the sale of weapons of mass destruction or from a Gambling Authority, they don't care.

For Jehovah's Witnesses, the end always justifies the means.

SeniorMan715:
You rush go baptize without grasping and understanding basic teaching of JW now you are all over Nairaland ranting and displaying your ignorance and delusion.

Lol.

This is a very ignorant statement.

You are calling someone who was born into the JW cult "ignorant"?

You got some nerves and I must give that to you.

But let me give you a little advice -

Don't just sit back and assume things when you have no proof to back it up.

Whatever you think you know right now about Jehovah's Witnesses, just know that you are yet to even scratch the surface.

Like Courz advised, there is no need to argue with anyone here.

Face your JW "Bible Studies" and make sure you get baptized as soon as possible - don't waste any more time.

Somethings are better understood when you experience it for yourself.

Congrats in advance on your baptism as a fully fledged Jehovah's Witness.

Courz:
Mumu Janosky aka SubPlot, you are part of a Business Corporation that has investments in War Weapons. Therefore, you are equally responsible for the deaths that happen each time these weapons are used. You are A Murderer Janosky. Sorry o. No wonder Watchtower banned you from researching them. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I can't imagine that they ever would defend this.

A member of the only true religion defending an investment into weapons of mass destruction?

Wow.

Wonders shall never end.

Janosky:
JWs didn't invest in any war firm.

When your uncle makes a Will giving Courz the proceeds of his Armament Businesses to you, does that mean Courz alias Oteneaaron is a war monger & murderer?
Continue DECEIVING yourself.
Slowpoke Atheists .

Wow.

I never knew a time would come when Jehovah's Witnesses would defend their investment into weapons of mass destruction.

Let's look at your example again -

If my uncle wills his shares in a company to me, it automatically means that I am the new legal owner the shares which makes me the new stakeholder in the place of my uncle.

This is simple logic.

I thought Jehovah's Witnesses were looking forward to a time when war mongers would "beat their swords into plow shares"?

I know Jehovah's Witnesses believe that end always justifies the means but common, we're talking about weapons of mass destruction here!

What this means is that for every person who dies from the use of any of these weapons, Jehovah's Witnesses are as blood guilty as the soldier who wields the weapon.

Wonders shall never end.