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To be honest, studying this research paper was quite an eye opener.

It shows that destructive religious organizations who employ the power of negative indoctrination - know exactly what they are doing.

They understand the power of indoctrination but instead of using this force for good aka positive indoctrination, they are hell bent on controlling the minds and thoughts of their followers via negative indoctrination tactics just as we saw above.

I find this uttterly despicable.

Protect your mind people.

Think for yourself, do research and free your mind from the mental prison of destructive religious organizations.

In my next posts, I will go thru each of the tactics of negative indoctrination and show you real-life examples with proof of religious organizations who use this power of indoctrination for evil.

This is how Professor Alyona concluded the research paper -

Thus, it can be stated that modern destructive religious organizations are able to create a kind of “psychological concentration camps” for adherents recruited into their ranks.

A serious concern is that in the process of indoctrination, radical personality changes occur that are almost invisible to the involving victim.

The main problem of destructive indoctrination, in our opinion, is activity of destructive religious organizations as a generator of new behavior, changing in this process the matrix of friends and enemies, impose not only behavior scenarios, but also experience ones, as a result of which adherents even perceive their own death as a religious privilege.

And now, we dig deeper into the final tactic of negative indoctrination used by destructive religious organizations.

6. Group pressure

That is, positive reinforcement of “right” behavior, thoughts, statements, which is expressed in approval, manifestation of sympathy and affection, raising the status and negative reinforcement of “wrong” actions, when members of a destructive religious organization “punish” those who speak or act contrary to religious regulations.

“Punishments” are realized in the form of collective demonstrative expression of regret, disappointment, anxiety about “wrong” behavior, reduction or partial blockade in communication, condemning kinesics, prosodic and extralinguistics.

As a result, victims of such manipulation, succumbing to group pressure, completely accept all the rules of a destructive religious organization, despite strong beliefs that contradict cult beliefs and practices.

The reason for the unconditional acceptance is, on the one hand, that the doctrine, dogmas and code of behavior are indivisible, united and binding on all members of the cult and do not allow any compromises.

On the other hand, having experienced the “bombardment of love”, which is practiced in all destructive religious organizations, and then got under the emotional and communicative blockade for “bad” behavior, almost all involvers experience great discomfort and fear of rejection.

This sounds eerily familiar and I will share a couple of real-life examples of destructive religious organizations who employ this tactic of indoctrination.

And yet another tactic of indoctrination used by destructive religious organizations.

5. Confessional sessions

During these confessional sessions, followers are forced to give out extremely personal information about past and present misconducts and sins, which can be real or imagined ones.

As a result, recruits who disclose such information may feel an initial sense of guilt and shame, and then a relief after confession. They may even become addicted from this self-blaming activity as a way of alleviating guilt.

However, those who want to leave the cult are often afraid the information they have disclosed may be used to blackmail them.

Does this strike a chord?

It still continues -

4. Weaning from critical, rational thinking

This consists in the fact that, for example, many destructive religious organizations get rid of doubts, criticisms and questions of their followers by statements like “Everything will become clear in time”, such threats as “Satan (Devil, Shaitan) is foundation of all doubt” or instructions like “If you want to know God, you must go beyond your previous experience”.

The result of this tactic is a deeply felt guilt over doubts, questions or the usage of one's intellectual abilities to evaluate a cult. Many followers even begin to consider their minds as “troublemaker”, “generator of poisonous doubts”, “weapon of Satan” and so on.

Does this sound familiar to you?

It continues -

3. Verbal manipulation

This involves several separate tactics.

One of them is the attribution of new or additional meanings to ordinary words.

For example, the word “knowledge” in one of the cults means the methods of meditation, the word “mind” is given the meaning of “bad” thoughts and forces inside people who lead them away from God and the Truth, “world” refers to everything which is outside the cult and therefore is unenlightened.

Other tactic includes using a special vocabulary (for example, artificial words and phrases), put into conversation and singing a foreign language (or languages).

This tactic is aimed at reducing and then eliminating conversations about pre-cult and non-cult activities, interests and ideas to limit the expression of “unnecessary” personal thoughts and feelings.

Certain tactics of verbal manipulation are developed in destructive religious organizations for those who involve in missionary, proselyte, and recruiting activities.

They, in particular, are recommended to speak expressively, but moderately emotionally so as not to make the impression of an “obsessed” one, paying special attention to a “psychological pause” in speech.

Serious demands are made on the substantive side of their “sermons” and agitation: to adapt to the level of involvers’ personal development, their interests, moods; be able to arouse interest;
give modern examples from non-religious life, refer to Philosophy, History, Psychology, Genetics, Mysticism, Astrology, Literature; know the features of perception and thinking of men, women and children, ways of influencing them.

Still on the tactics of indoctrination used by destructive religious organizations -

2. Information control

That is, “cutting off” or slandering external sources of information, such as television, radio, newspapers and communications with people outside the group.

Simultaneously with the blockade of external sources of information, a “bombardment” of the recruited by cult literature, records and lectures on ideological processing is carried out.

Information about the cult is also controlled and classified into several categories depending on the hierarchy. "Secret" information is available only to the leader and some of his especially trusted assistants.

This information segment includes rationing the lives and activities of followers (for example, what donations they should make, who may be encouraged and who punished, what changes in the lifestyle of the cult will be made, what financial obligations are required, where the money is spent).

Another category of information is distorted data that is instilled into followers (for example, “We gather money for orphans”, “Our donations will be spent for the purchase of medicines for cancer patients”).

The third category of information is an open lie, which is forced to demonstrate to all followers (for example, “None of us snitch each other”, “All members of our group have the same duties and privileges”).

The main purpose of information control is to prevent informed decision-making and a critical valuation of a destructive religious organization.

At this stage, we will consider some common tactics used by destructive religious organizations in the indoctrination process -

1. Control of time and activity (behavior).

That is, the submission of potential neophytes to a strictly calculated time schedule, within which every moment is associated with intense physically and emotionally activity. This leaves little or no time for solitude and reflection.

Such a schedule may include: a lecture marathon, long seminars or meetings of organization members, intensive individual consultations, hypnotic exercises, meditations, prolonged monotonous singing, prayer meetings.

At the same time, sleep and eating are subjects to strict control and deprivation. Time of sleeping is reduced due to obligatory individual prayers or collective worship, ritual practices, household chores to clean the area and rooms, production of propaganda materials, etc. Food restrictions are justified by the need to refuse protein food.

Deprivation of sleep and food intake can be not only partial. In some totalitarian sects to “purify” the spirit complete fasting and daily vigils are used.

As a result of such physical, physiological and psycho-emotional stress, psychological defense is reduced, attention volume is abridged, physical and emotional exhaustion occurs, the ability to critically evaluate the group decreases, trans-like states arise that are often distracting and make a person highly suggestible.

The research paper continues by discussing something peculiar about leaders of destructive religious organizations -

All destructive religious organizations are led by charismatic leaders. This, by the way, is one of the main features of such communities.

In contrast to the confessional direction of World Religions, with the “priesthood institution”, where compassion and non-use of violence are recognized as basic values, leaders of destructive religious organizations profess, as a rule, a rigid authoritarian leadership style.

They intuitively and at the same time very effectively use the mechanism of destructive indoctrination.

The essence of their activity - is to influence the followers as much as possible, “infecting” them with their fanatical ideas. Such behavior is an integral feature of any religious cult; it is a general rule that is strictly executed [4].

The leader(s) of a totalitarian sect obtains unlimited power and tries in various, often ethically condemned ways, to deprive his followers of their individuality and free will, establishing absolute, destructive control over their consciousness.

To this purpose, they either directly proclaim themselves to be Gods, or convince others that the will of God consists in following them.

It should be noted that the goal of indoctrination in destructive religious organizations is the unconditional acceptance of the doctrine by the recruits, as well as the behavior and personality traits that are prescribed to all followers of this religious doctrine.

Courz:
Nice one Oteneaaron. Following.

Yes boss.

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MaxInDHouse:
GO ON PREACHING AGAINST RELIGION IN GENERAL my friend.

I won't disturb whatever you say after all your friends claiming believers are all involved in this so you and i have no issues but once you come up against pure worship i will use the truth to dismantle your missiles! Isaiah 54:17

You sound rattled.

Be calm.

I haven't even started yet.

Fireoflife:
bro you might be arguing with a zombie. So many people are currently living dead because cern company bored a negative energy hole in our reality. We've being invaded by spiritual parasites and they've been feeding on people's positive energy leading to zombiezim.
Now they have gone and placed a negative energy artifact on the temple of strength at the Vatican. To save humanity now. That temple needs to be destroyed. And rebuilt within 2 years. But i don't know enough people to reach out to with this information.

Last last the third secret of fatima shall be fulfilled

You spoke about CERN responsible for the negative energy in our reality.

Do you have proof to back this up?

I also heard about the apparition of "Mary" those three children saw at Fatima.

I heard that there is a third secret that the Vatican has refused to share with the general public.

Do you have any idea what this "third secret" is?

At this stage of the paper, Professor Alyona made a reference to another important work that created a model that further describes the destructive effect of negative indoctrination.

This is the classic model of R.J. Lifton, described in his work “Thought Reform” [3].

This study brought to a more exact understanding of how mentally healthy, educated, and idealistic people can quickly become fanatics of movements whose ideology andactivity directly contradict their initial outlooks on the world.

R.J. Lifton identifies eight elements that bring total change in consciousness during the process of indoctrination:

1. Control Of The Situation (environment) - A rigid structuring of the environment in which communication is regulated, and access to information is strictly controlled;

2. Mystical Manipulation - The usage of a planned or arranged “spontaneous”, “immediate” situation to give it a meaning that is beneficial to manipulators (for example, physiological and psychological changes in the transition to a vegetarian diet are explained by the “descent of the Holy Spirit”);

3. The requirement of “purity”
- A sharp dividing of the world into “clean” and “impure”, “good” and “bad” to position the totalitarian sect as “good” and “clean”, and everything that is outside it - as “bad” and “dirty”;

4. Cult of Confession - The requirement of never-ending confession and intimate acknowledgments to destroy the boundaries of personality and maintain a constant sense of guilt;

5. “Holy Science” - The announcement of their own dogma as absolute, complete and eternal Truth, and any other information that contradicts this “absolute truth” as false one;

6. Language loaded with cult meaning -
The creation of a special clichéd dictionary of intra-group communication in order to eliminate the very foundation for independent and critical thinking;

7. Doctrine is more important than the personality

the doctrine is more real and true than the personality and its individual experience;

8. Separation of existence

Members of the group have the right to life and existence, the rest ones - don’t have it, i.e. “The end justifies any means”.

Is it starting to sound familiar?

I will continue with the thread later today.

It continues -

5. Collectivism

Collectivism is a very essential element of indoctrination.

Impact, carried out in group, is always realized much faster and has a more lasting effect because person automatically starts to copy the required behavior with the help of other members of the destructive cult.

Speaking about collectivism, we must not forget that verbal multiplication and regular systematic repetition of cult actions cause and then fix in mind certain emotions, feelings, thoughts, ideas, leaving deep and stable systems of excitation and inhibition focuses in the Central nervous system, which form a singular habit.

And when such a religious stereotype of behavior is formed not at one person, but in a group, the laws of collective psychology come into effect. That is why in destructive religious organizations the ritual side is given such attention.

When I got to this point in the research paper, I started connecting the dots between the elements of destructive indoctrination and the religion I used to practice.

I will give you more details later.

Let's continue with the key points I found interesting in this research paper.

The basic elements of destructive indoctrination continues -

3. Verbal multiplication.

This element is implemented in two versions.

The first one is the frequentative repetition of meaningless phrases that can be part of a certain religious ritual (“purification of the spirit”, “union with brothers and sisters by faith”, “reaching the next level” of something, etc.).

The second version is repetition an unlimited number of meaningful prayers. Verbal multiplication in both cases leads to prohibitive inhibition, which dramatically reduces the criticality of perception of reality and resistance.

4. Approval mythology.

Leaders of destructive religious organizations (in particular pro-Christian sects) quite often declare themselves to be new prophets or even the next coming of God to Earth, which “switch on” the already verified mythological schemes that exist in the human mind.

The success phenomenon of this indoctrination element is based on the particularity of information perception.

It is always easier for a person to understand and accept something already familiar, similar to what he knows, than completely new one, which has no analogues in his personal experience.

Regardless of ethnic and religious affiliation, all people, starting from childhood, encounter myths and legends, where there are “light” and “dark” forces, Gods and Deities, the struggle between good and evil.

That is why during the creation of the doctrine of a religious cult, a new religious movement or a totalitarian sect, images that are similar to the heroes and characters of folk art and therefore proven and already inscribed as familiar in the individual’s perception system, are used.

Destructive religious organizations use the power of indoctrination as a basis for physiological manipulation to grab a firm hold on the individual consciousness of their members.

Here are some basic elements of destructive indoctrination -

1. Monologicality.

This aspect is paramount and, for the purpose of unidirectional influence, it requires categorically unacceptable (“sinful”, “vicious”, “diabolical”, etc.) any other sources of information (mass media and communications, parents, friends).

However, in the process of indoctrination, not only information deprivation is applied, but also sensory one - that is, isolation from the usual social environment, a ban on one’s own thoughts, expressing doubts about the religious doctrine of the cult, requests for argumentation and evidence of the truth of the doctrine [2].

2. Counter argumentation -

Counter argumentation is used along with monologicality and presents itself a priori avoiding of any “uncomfortable” questions regarding the doctrines of a destructive religious cult.

Recruits, neophytes, or adherents are given pre-counterarguments to possible questions and objections that call into question or discredit the authority of the cult.

Members of destructive religious organizations, responsible for involving neophytes in their ranks and realizing so-called “ideological work”, undergo special training in this direction.

In addition, for such situations, special brochures, booklets, video and audio clips with beforehand prepared answers to standard questions are published.

There are two sides of indoctrination -

Indoctrination is a special state of the human psyche in which non-critical appropriation of other people’s ideas or doctrines is realized, as well as the result of various methods of so-called mind control.

Indoctrination acts as one of the tools for identifying of individual with a group through the adoption of group values, ideas, or doctrines

It should be noted that indoctrination is not always destructive.

Positive examples are cultural imprinting, when a child learns the basics of culture through uncritical perception of them.

Or, for example, the assimilation of the dogmas of religious faith, which occurs without coercion,deception and psychological violence in the process of interaction with adult family members.

In these examples, the agents of influence are close people (parents, members of the primary and secondary family), as well as people who have authority in the eyes of the child (kindergarten teachers or teachers at school).

Indoctrination, which is based on the attitude towards the development and improvement of personality, is carried out correctly and smoothly.

This process, as a rule, is recognized by a person as his own choice, and that being characteristic not only for conformists, but also for creative and externally social-autonomous people.

Such indoctrination is constructive in nature, does not injure the psyche and promotes personality’s growth.

A deep dive into "manipulation"

For many decades, enough knowledge has been accumulated to successfully manipulate on the one hand, and to avoid these manipulations effectively on the other.

It should be emphasized that the word “manipulation” in its original meaning meant “to manage” in a positive sense, that is, to assist competently, to guide in the right direction.

In modern literature, manipulation refers to the art of controlling people’s behavior and thinking through a targeted influence on public consciousness [1].

The analysis of existing methods and means of influencing a person, allowing to make him obedient, guided, and controlled, indicates that this process is based on the mechanism of indoctrination.

Hello folks,

Today, I would like us to have some serious intellectual conversation.

If you are too mentally lazy to read or if you feel that doing any form of research is a waste of time, please avoid this thread.

While I was doing some research into the role indoctrination plays in religion, I stumbled on a research paper by Professor Alyona G. Ayrapetova, doctor of philosophy (PhD) on psychological Sciences, National University of Uzbekistan.

This research paper is titled - INDOCTRINATION AS A MECHANISM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION IN THE PROCESS OF INVOLVEMENT IN DESTRUCTIVE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS


In this thread, I will be sharing the points I found interesting in the research paper and if possible, share real life examples of specific religious organizations who employ destructive indoctrination as a tool for manipulation.

Here is how the research paper was introduced -

Over the centuries, in the process of development of society, humanity has repeatedly experienced a transformation of thinking, which was caused not only by the technical and cultural revolution, but also by the emergence of new political doctrines and religious ideologies that led to the unification of thinking and behavior.

The necessity for development a certain, clearly defined and if it is possible - uniform picture of the world among the members of society, as well as the achievement of control and management of the masses dictated the need to develop mechanisms of manipulation that facilitated the passage of certain ideas into the people’s minds.

It is all about the mind.

It is all about controlling what you think.

Politics, Religion and Advertising are designed to pass certain information or ideas to your mind.

Why is this serious?

Because you become what you regularly think about.

Dtruthspeaker:
And you could have said it without having to cast an evil thing upon the jw who said it.

The answer is the same as when Christ Said "ye are gods".

And everyone knows what this means, which is why we have a collection of people who say "we are gods"

An interesting POV.

Personally, I cringe at the thought that babies are enemies of "God"

If you find nothing wrong with it, I'd completely understand.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one who has turned this into an evil thing.

Even though he is jw and we know them to be "not Christians" however we understand what he is saying. And I know you do too, but what are you after?

I don't know about you, but I don't agree with what he is saying neither do I "understand" what he is saying.

Are babies enemies of the God you serve?

Think about it.

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As a father or mother, your babies are little enemies of God.

What this really means is that, unless your baby becomes a friend of God by becoming a baptized Jehovah's Witness, your baby is doomed for destruction when Armageddon arrives.

Here are some quotes from their publications:

"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19

"In fact, with God's day of judgment so near today, all the world should 'keep silent before the Sovereign Lord Jehovah' and hear what he says through the "little flock" of Jesus' anointed followers and their companions, his "other sheep." (Luke 12:32; John 10:16) Annihilation awaits all who will not listen and who thereby set themselves against rule by God's Kingdom." Watchtower 2001 Feb 15 p. 14

What the video below for better context:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVvdu1DsHxs

If you watched the video above, you didn't hear wrongly.

Stephen Lett, a current member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has called babies "enemies of god" .

Here are his exact words quoted:

Think about it - we're not born as friends of God.

Because we're born as sinful offsprings of Adam.

Actually if you think about it, we are born as enemies of god.

Sometimes you hear people say of a little baby, " look at that little angel".

But more accurate would be to say - "look at that little enemy of god."

What do you think about this line of reasoning?

Do you truly agree with Jehovah's Witnesses that Babies are enemies of god?

I look forward to your comments.

Have a great Sunday.

jaephoenix:
Vintage Max!
When stumped, turn around and make a remarkably stupid post and point at it as the response.
There's a psychological term for this…. I've forgotten it…

It is called Cognitive Dissonance bro.

Cognitive Dissonance

Noun PSYCHOLOGY

The state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioural decisions and attitude change.

MaxInDHouse:
This is funny walahi talahi!

Gambling is a lucrative business in the world but God's organization forbids it just as God's organization forbids fornication and killing but if someone's business is either weapon manufacturing, brothel or lottery as long as the world approves it we have no business with that and if the businessman chose to glorify pure worship with his money it will be acceptable.
Simple and straightforward!

So basically, the end justifies the means right?

It doesn't matter where the money comes from right?

Even if the money is coming the pocket of the god of this system of things aka "Satan" right?

Interesting.

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Thank you for confirming that you and other Jehovah's Witnesses in general are HYPOCRITES.

Do what I say, but not what I do.

Thank you so much for confirming this Max.

Good thing the internet never forgets.

Janosky:
Oteneaaron LYING in public again and again.
This is the screenshot PROVEN evidence of 12th May,2022.

DUBIOUS clown.
Slave of pagan gods of Egypt

Lol

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What is the bone of contention here?

You are just rattled that your organization, "the only true religion" was exposed to have been receiving millions of dollars as grant from the Norwegian Gambling Authority.

It is a FACT that you can NEVER run away from.

I know you're rattled that this clearly exposes you and the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization as foolhardy HYPOCRITES.

You say gambling is a sin and a sign of greed but your double standards has been exposed.

Where did I lie?

In my first thread, I clearly stated that the Norwegian Ministry of Family and Children Affairs has cut your funding due to your shunning practices that are against fundamental human rights.

Is that a lie?

In my second thread, I stated that apart from the standard grant Jehovah's Witnesses were receiving as mentioned in my first thread, you were also receiving free grant from the Norwegian Gambling Authority.

Is that also a lie?

Fun fact - the funding from the Norwegian Gambling Authority was split between each and every one your congregations in Norway.

So every single Jehovah's Witness in Norway had a share of the greedy money from a Gambling Authority in Satan's World.

See screenshot below.

Some people may call it faith.

While some other people might see it in a completely different light.

All I know is that you should be very careful of deeply religious people.

Why?

Because there is a very thin line between deeply religious people and fanaticism

HappyPagan:
I remember looking at the surface of the moon through a telescope, while high on marijuana. Best night of my life.

Wow

I can only imagine.

Times like these I wish I had my own telescope.

Imagine how astonishing it would be to see such a phenomenon with your own eyes.

Janosky:
Oteneaaron LYING again in public.

Oteneaaron,how are JWs able to publish the Awake! Journal which is well known for it's in-depth analysis of various subjects and educational content?

In fact no expletives can qualify your dishonesty on this forum.

It is a fact that Jehovah's Witness are against independent and critical thinking.

Here are quotes from your own publications:

Pride may play a role, and some fall into the trap of independent thinking.
(w06 7/15 p. 22 par. 14)

Due to background and upbringing, some may be more given to independent thinking and self-will than others.
(w87 2/1 p. 19 par. 13)

Any other course would produce independent thinking and cause division.
(w64 5/1 p. 278 par. 8 Building a Firm Foundation in Christ)

He cannot have independent thinking. Thoughts must be obedient to Christ.
(w62 9/1 p. 524 par. 22 Pursuing Peace Through Increased Knowledge)

The world, in its independent thinking, ignores God and his purposes for man as though he were not the Creator.
(w61 2/1 p. 93 Safeguard Thinking Ability for the Ministry)

But a spirit of independent thinking does not prevail in God’s organization, and we have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us.
(w89 9/15 p. 23 par. 13 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead)

But inside they are spiritually unclean, having given in to prideful, independent thinking. They have forgotten all that they learned about Jehovah, his holy name and attributes. They no longer acknowledge that all they learned about Bible truth—the glorious hope of the Kingdom and a paradise earth and the overturning of false doctrines, such as the Trinity, the immortal human soul, eternal torment, and purgatory—yes, all of this came to them through “the faithful and discreet slave.”
(w87 11/1 pp. 19-20 par. 15 Are You Remaining Clean in Every Respect?)

When you always share information to attack, malign & spread defamatory statements about your former spouse, what's your motive?

Are you being altruistic?

You are evil !!

TUEH!

Each of my post are backed by proof.

Instead of screaming out loud, why don't you show your own counter proof?

Or did I lie that Jehovah's Witnesses are accepting free money from the Norwegian Gambling Authority?

Oteneaaron self confessed Atheist, captive of Atheism.

The only reason you call me an Atheist is because I don't believe in your false god Jehovah who is neither omnipresent, omnipotent nor omniscient.

Your god Jehovah is the same entity as ENLIL the ancient sumerian god of war and destruction.

I refuse to believe in nor worship such a being.

How can Oteneaaron ,an Idol Worshipper,self confessed student of paganism (screenshot PROVEN evidence) & spiritism be better than Jehovah's witnesses?

Impossible !!!

You can call me an idol worshiper if it makes you sleep better at night.

Hermes Trismegistus is the Greek name for Thoth or Tehuti who was the Great African Priest King who invented writing and alchemy.

Alchemy is the foundation of what we call Chemistry today and this is a fact.

Infact ancient Egypt was known as the land of Al Khem (the black land)

Tehuti aka Thoth aka Hermes Trismegistus was the one who built the great pyramid of Giza - the same pyramid your founder Charles Taze studied for years.

The founder of your organization was so fascinated by the great pyramid Tehuti built.

Or didn't you know that your 1914 doctrine was gotten from studying the dimensions of the great pyramid of Giza?

Go and read the Divine Plan of Ages as written by your founder Charles Taze Russell.

I am proud to be a student of the Great African Priest King from ancient history who invented writing, alchemy and who built the Great Pyramid of Giza.

The joke is on you.

Vernon26:
thanks brother, please where can i get the scriptures.

You can get the PDF version online.

Google "Genesis Library", and search for the Nah Hammadi Library.

I can forward it to you via mail if you can't find it online.

sonmvayina:
You took this from my mouth..didn't you..


Lol..

Abeg no vex we go continue that thread this week. Plenty things dey my table..

No problem my guy.

I am ready when you are.

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