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Lol, welcome back.

What happened to the military topic? Maybe we should answer which country has the most illiterate defence force members.

THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT MILITARIES IN AFRICA!!!!

This is a military thread, the mod should hide all posts that have nothing to do with military. It will be a labourious I know.

This is a military thread, nevermind the troll. I'm out.

NaijaPikinGidi: Hahaha!! You have effectively answered your question to Agaugust!!

But then, we'd have thought that since South Africa is self-reliant (as you all always claim) there isn't the need to travel out or to live and work anywhere else in this planet called earth. SMH. What is wrong with the average South African brain?

You don't understand. A South African will not leave this country solely for the purpose of survival like you and other Naijas.

NaijaPikinGidi: You still haven't addressed the point made. Learn the implications of my point below:

http://www.thepost.co.za/university-students-owe-state-r13-4-bn-1.1394231
http://www.iol.co.za/pretoria-news/plan-to-nail-student-loan-defaulters-1.1395218#.UgpEj20qi3U
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2011/12/09/sars-on-trail-of-defaulters
http://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/student-defaulters-targeted-1.1394255#.UgpEsW0qi3U

Only in another world will the current education loan debts of over R13.4billion be repaid to government!
http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20121025112300721

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When will this student debts ever be paid? Do you really want to take on this debate?

Your links only show that this is governments problem. They PAID for the students to be educated and now some of the graduates don't want to give the money back. Lol. But trust me when I say that the students now have jobs that pay them way more than what it cost to educate them. I'm sure you know that.

NaijaPikinGidi: Is this really a question? Your own South Africans permanently scattered around the world can provide you with an array of answers to your question!!

South Africans go abroad to make money - not to survive. Please understand the difference, South Africans are not in Nigeria to make ends meet.

NaijaPikinGidi: And how many Black South Africans are able to afford $10,000 per year without rendering his/her immediate and future family lineage bankrupt and permanently poverty stricken? How many graduate South Africans have paid up their education loans several years after graduation? We can go further on this debate if you wish!!

Please try to think before you post. The National Student Financial Aid Scheme of South Africa(NSFAS) funds teriary education for the majority of SA students. Upon graduating, 40% of the loan amount is converted into a bursary and the graduate only has to pay back 60%. However, when Zuma became president he made this happen www.nsfas.org.za/news/good-news-for-final-year-university-students.htm

And besides all of that, graduates end up earning more in one year than their total cost of study over four years, so paying back the loan is not a challenge. I'm one of them, that's a firsthand account.

agaugust: It's a bonus that i live in both my motherland and a foreign land, thats why i kick all your south african soldiers around like a football on this nairaland forum

What made you leave your motherland?

agaugust: no world class university will charge $10,000 for a univerity 4 year BSc degree.

a british or american university 4 year BSc degree costs $50,000 average. a foreign student needs another $50,000 for four years food, books, house, transport, air flight return tickets, and many other utility bills. it will cost about $100,000 to get a good foreign BSc degree in a good foreign university that meets international standards. fact.

fool your fellow south africans, you cannot fool me. i know the western world because i live there.

Lol, ok. I thought you meant $100 000 per year.

It's a pity that you don't live in your motherland.

agaugust: very very very very few white europeans or americans will leave their country and come to afriac to spend $100,000 to get a south african university degree. you dont know the high level pride, ego, and superiority complex of these white europeans and americans over Africa . i live among them....but you dont.

University of Cape Town which is in the top 100 universities in the world has a lot of white foreign students, and the fees are less than $10 000 nowhere near the $100 000 you quoted.

LOL, mixed priorites.

SA sells arms worth R1.7bn - report

Johannesburg - South Africa sold arms worth more than R1.7bn to various countries over the past few months, The New Age reported on Friday.

This was revealed by the National Conventional Arms Control Committee (NCACC) in its second quarterly report to Parliament on Thursday.

According to the report, most equipment was exported to Sweden and the United States.

Justice Minister Jeff Radebe, who is also chairperson of the NCACC, said the report was for the sale of arms from April to June this year.

The biggest sale, worth R555m went to Sweden. The next biggest sale went to Thailand, which spent R505m.

The US came third after spending R375m for arms and equipment.

Azerbaijan spent more than R131m and Finland spent R129m, the newspaper reported.

The committee's report also showed that it approved the sale of demining (mine clearance) equipment to war-ravaged Syria. Equipment valued at R26m was sold to the United Nations (UN) to run the demining project.

Conflict-ridden Egypt was sold arms worth R17.9m. The United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Britain spent R113m and R46m respectively.

Other countries that purchased equipment included Saudi Arabia (R61m), Germany (R56.4m) and Pakistan (R45.2m).

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-sells-arms-worth-R17bn-report-20130809

SA’s R1.7bn arms bonanza

South Africa sold arms totalling more than R1.7bn to various countries over the past few months.

The National Conventional Arms Control Committee (NCACC) revealed in its second quarterly report to Parliament yesterday that most of the equipment was exported to Sweden and the US.

Chairperson of the committee Jeff Radebe, who is also the Minister of Justice, said the report was for the sale of arms from April to June this year.

“The quarterly report presents this information in a manner consistent with the provisions of the National Conventional Arms Control Act,” Radebe said.

The report showed that the committee approved the sale of demining equipment to war-ravaged Syria.

Equipment to the value of R26m was sold to the UN to run a demining project in that country.

Most of the arms valued at more than R555m were sold to Sweden.

The next big sale went to Thailand and that country spent R505m on the equipment.

The US was the third biggest buyer of equipment with the Americans paying R375m

for the equipment.

The report showed that Azerbaijan spent more than R131m on the arms they bought from South Africa.

Finland also paid a substantial amount of money purchasing arms equipment from South Africa. The NCAAC said the Finns paid R129m.

Conflict-ridden and politically unstable Egypt was sold arms to the value of R17.9m. The military recently overthrew Islamist President Mohammed Mursi following a popular protest.

South Africa objected to the removal of Mursi saying he was democratically elected.

Mursi is held in prison to face several charges, but his supporters have held a number of protests in the capital Cairo to register their disapproval of his removal from power.

The United Arab Emirates also spent more than R113m on arms equipment from South Africa while Britain spent R46.6m.

The report also showed that South Africa sold arms to Germany worth R56.4m, to Saudi Arabia (R61m) and Pakistan (R45.2m)

http://www.thenewage.co.za/104035-1007-53-SAs_R17bn_arms_bonanza

panafrican: Andrewa do you know the difference between patriotism and chauvinism? If no-one struggles financially in South Africa why all those deadly strikes.

Let me help you with some perspective. Those miners who were striking and got killed in Marikana were being paid between R7 000 - R9 000 〓 $700 - $900 〓 N113 000 - N145 000. During the strike they were demanding a pay increase to R12 500 〓 $1 250 〓 N200 000. They then settled on a 22% increase which gave them a +/- monthly salary of R11 000 〓 $1 100 〓 N177 000.

This is what miners get paid in South Africa, it's not much but most Nigerian graduates would kill for such a salary.

Durban

Nigeria should have 3-4 times more millionaires than SA.

2smooth2shout: i found this comment very interesting, coming from a honest south african


Pierre Schnehage
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Come on, Zimbabwe could invade SA in a day. Our army is nothing but a bunch of tax guzzling fatso's riding out the wave.

Boooooom

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SANDF may widen naval antipiracy patrols to Tanzania

THE South African National Defence Force (SANDF) is considering the expansion of antipiracy patrols in the Mozambican Channel to include Tanzania, despite the barrage of criticism of the government over the force’s inadequate funding.

The antipiracy patrols, which are conducted in conjunction with the Mozambican navy, were approved by the Cabinet in 2010 after a request by the Southern African Development Community (Sadc) for South Africa to help thwart piracy from escalating in the region’s areas in the Indian Ocean and damaging trade.

Brig Gen Xolani Mabanga said on Sunday that the South African Navy offshore patrol vessels were rotated on a monthly basis. One had been relieved last week and another frigate would be replace d at the end of this month.

He said while one was in operation in the Mozambican Channel, another conducted combat and mission readiness exercises out of Simon’s Town.

Gen Mabanga said no arrests had been made by the Sadc force during the past six months, but the SANDF took pride in the deterrent effects of its presence in the Mozambican Channel. Piracy activities peaked in 2011 when 147 attacks and 22 pirated vessels were reported in the region.

"The African Union efforts ashore in Somalia and the combined international naval effort and presence at sea have reduced piracy activity to the current state of only two attacks with no successful vessel hijacking conducted in the past few weeks.

"We believe that the presence of Sadc naval force in the area contributed greatly to this reduction in piracy activities on the eastern African seaboard," he said.

But the defence force has seen a number of the South African Air Force’s R2bn fleet of Agusta 109 helicopters join the Gripen fighter jets in cold storage due to a lack of funds to fly them, while VIP helicopter flights continue to fuel public outrage.

Defence analyst Helmoed Römer Heitman last month bemoaned the fact that the army was overstretched and some of its equipment obsolete, saying the navy could patrol South African waters or the Mozambique Channel but not both, let alone important West African shipping routes; and that the air force had no maritime patrol aircraft and inadequate airlift capabilities.

Brig Gen Mabanga claimed the antipiracy success was due to the introduction of Integrated Maritime Domain Awareness centres in Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique and South Africa. The maritime forces were now able to create an operational picture of which vessels were operating in the region, where they were and for what purpose.

He admitted the SANDF was now concerned about "a dramatic increase in piracy activities in the Gulf of Guinea" off the west coast of Africa. "The situation is being closely monitored by neighbouring Sadc countries."

http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013/08/05/sandf-may-widen-naval-antipiracy-patrols-to-tanzania

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Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba has instructed the board of State-owned Defence industrial group Denel to develop a strategy to increase its sales in Africa. He pointed out that government wanted Denel to be a global player, including supplying South Africa and Africa.

“The global economic downturn has continued to impact on the growth opportunities of many industries across the world, including defence. However, emerging markets’ defence expenditure is expected to be resilient,” he pointed out at the recent Denel defence industrial group 2012/13 financial results presentation. “In pursuit of African business, I’ve directed the [Denel] board to develop a comprehensive African strategy and align it with the Department of [Public Enterprises’] own strategy, so the company can leverage off the government’s diplomatic policy in the continent.”

In answer to a question from a journalist, Gigaba affirmed: “[W]e believe in Africa. We believe we need to become a significant player in Africa – Africa not only as a buyer of our products but also as a partner in our programmes. We believe that we have technical skills and other skills that we can use in partnership with Africa . . . [and] leverage in developing partnerships between Africa and the world. Africa as a whole is a good platform for us to grow our leverage and power.”

He affirmed that this did not mean that there was going to be any neglect of the Middle Eastern or Brics (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa group) markets. He noted that the company was doing well in Africa but he wanted it to do even better. “We have an ambitious agenda,” he stated. “We do not want foreign countries, whether they come from Asia, Europe or South America, to dominate Africa.”

At its results presentation, State-owned Denel announced that it had posted a profit for the third consecutive year. Unveiling its results for the 2012/13 financial year, the group reported that it had increased its revenues by 10% over the previous financial year. Net profit came to R71-million. This success was attributed to a 34% rise in exports, from R1.329-billion to R1.783-billion. Exports had increased to all of the group’s target markets – Asia-Pacific, the Middle East and South America. The domestic market accounted for 55% of total revenue, or R2.135-billion.

“I am encouraged by the company’s financial performance in the year under review,” said Gigaba. “I am, however, the first to admit the company is not out of the woods.” Denel board chairperson Zoli Kunene noted that these were “pleasing results”.

“The board welcomes the improvement in the operational and financial performance of the company. It demonstrates the robust- ness of Denel’s turnaround strategy. The board is proud of Denel’s contribution to broader national development, particularly in advanced manufacturing and technology.”

“Denel has earned an international reputation in a number of niche areas,” highlighted group CEO Riaz Saloojee. These included missiles, unmanned air vehicles, demining and artillery systems. He reported that the group had newly concluded contracts worth R22-billion over the next seven to ten years.

For the future, the company had invested R528-million, including R142-million of its own funds, in research and development in the last financial year. At least R46-million had been spent on skills development, parti- cularly in the technological and engineering disciplines.

The group has successfully restructured its R1.185-billion short-term debt into a mixture of short-term debt and three-year and five-year bonds. Denel expects to remain profitable and to achieve significant revenue growth in the medium term. Ratings agency Fitch has upgraded Denel’s long-term rating from negative to stable.

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/denel-to-strengthen-africa-focus-as-it-increase-exports-and-continues-profitability-2013-08-02

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NaijaPikinGidi: Why are you so stupid? Further nonsensical justifications? Now you are adding a "nationwide" digression to twist the facts? Each new time you try, you basically give more credence to the facts of my original comment! SANRAL remains the same whether in Gauteng, Western Cape, Mpumalanga, KwaZuluNatal, Limpopo, Eastern Cape or any other South African province! Therefore the Kapsch etoll stake in Gauteng and the proposed etoll in the Western Cape will have impacts on your SANRAL nationally! Kapsch will benefit nicely from further road and transport infrastructure projects. Just wait for SANRAL to win its case against your rapist Vavi's COSATU and DA sponsored OUTA! You are consigned to pay Kapsch or have SANRAL go burst in high interest loans and credit repayments,

You don't know what you're talking about. The GFIP will cost R90 billion once complete. The completed phase 1 cost R22 billion and most of this money was borrowed from South African investors which now has to be paid back. We are now enjoying the upgraded roads. The biggest lender was the Public Investment Corporation(PIC), the same government owned institution that is slowly buying Nigerian assets.

www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-south-africa/pic-sanrals-biggest-investor?sn=2009+Detail

Kapsch is a urban road management company that SANRAL is using to collect tolls. SA does not have domestic urban tolling technology so we had to import. Just know that there is a difference between building roads and collecting tolls on roads that have been built. Can you please ease up on your trolling and debate military issues.

NaijaPikinGidi: Cause a provocation and see how Nigeria will swiftly get the party rocking! . We showed SA a snippet during your overzealous Yellow fever card provocation and you came apologizing on national and international television just as Zuma sent through to President Jonathan emissaries with a formal letter of apology and a promise to be of good behavior!

That's how you are supposed to deal with cry babies who sulk. Now back to military discussion.

This story broke more than a week ago.

www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Dettol-SA-Our-products-are-safe-20130723

NaijaPikinGidi: Except you have your head stuck in the sands you'd have realized or read Nigerians call it for Egypt! Egypt it is!! Hopefully South Africans can now get off their high horses!

So why have Nigerians allowed this thread to reach 600 pages if the answer is so simple? I know that your trolling contributed around 100 spam pages but still.

The question asked was simply but this thread has gone 600 pages which shows that there will never be any consensus. So in hope for some general agreement, let me ask another question: Which country has the weakest military in Africa?

2smooth2shout:
guy there are few construction companies owned by whites and few of this infrastructures where jointly built by them and Nigerian companies. we have a law called "local content" and it's very effective so try another suggestion.

and please count how many whites are in those pictures i posted? stinking people. This is not south africa. Nigerians own many of these place and rent out to companies (including your shoprite).

you should have known by now that money flows in the country na. stop fooling yourself out of envy.

I wont stop you from fooling yourself. And local content is nothing new, SA has maintained a vibrant defence industry and other industries by insisting on local content and skills transfer. The Gripen deal was subject to SA companies providing some components for the jets as well as collaboration and technology transfer.

SA d.o.d placed an order with Airbus Military for its A400M transport aircraft on condition that Airbus gives work to Denel. Airbus agreed and gave work to Denel, the d.o.d then cancelled the contract but Denel continues to get work from Airbus.

www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30889:more-a400m-work-for-denel-aerostructures&catid=7:Industry&Itemid=116

I can make many other examples of local content in it's proper form, not how it is in Nigeria.

2smooth2shout: so you couldn't find anything other than pictures of captured and bound boko haram members? you are sick


why not try come and see for your self a country built by a black race.
enjoy some of our nice tourist attractions
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if i decide to post more, this will become another thread.

this is a nation built by a black race and it's still under construction.

like south africa, we have our ghettos and our fine places as well. only difference is ours was built by us. not the dutch and germans

or take a trip round one of our cities if you think you eyes are deceiving you

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even your masters like to party our style

Unfortunately no Nigeria can claim to have built anything shown in those images. All of what is shown in your pictures was designed by whites and most of those hotels and shopping centres are owned by whites. Of cause Nigerians provided the labour to build the structures.

agaugust: https://books.gigaimg.com/avaxhome/avaxhome/2007-11-10/GM_The_Boer_War.jpg

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south africa was not built to its present status by the f.ools who form the majority there.

it is the minority white european immigrants and racist apartheid colonialists who are citizens of south africa that built the country's general infrastructure, socio-economic system, and technology with the help of their fellow white blood brothers in europe, done over a long period of more than 100 years with the hope that they will live in and rule over the black and coloured people of south africa for ever and ever.

these 5 million whites are the ones who used their white blood influence to transfer european standards, principles, systems and technology to develop south africa to its present level. they feed on the gold, diamonds, iron ore, copper and other mineral resources of south africa to enrich themselves and rob/enslave the blacks over the 100 years or so period of their colonization.

this is the only reason south africa is a better developed country than the rest of africa. simple truth.

the m.oronic and d.eemonic south africans we have on this thread (i exempt @andrewza) are not the class of people who built south africa, they are the parasite class who feed on what others cooked and reap where they did not sow, then boast about it.

the real heroes of south africa talk and reason differently, but they are the minority group that does the majority of the work and thinking that made south africa what it is.

let our nairaland south african parasites not boast that their 33% brain is hiding behind the curtain of the real educated, skilled, and industrious south africans who built the over 100 year old 'bridge' between their adopted country here in africa, and their original countries far away in europe.

all4naija is that you?