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collynzo2: No one is saying SA is bad, all we are saying is that SA is what it ia today because of whites. Agreed?

And we are saying that Nigeria is a shithole today because of Nigerians.

NaijaPikinGidi is a proper troll.

all4naija: Hahaha... Is hurts you very much to be told the truth. I would be interested for you to explain this for me with detailed information than just making a statement Brit built 80% of infrastructure in Nigeria.

He's wrong, foreigners built 100% of the infrastructure in Nigeria. It will be impossible for you to show any infrastructure in Nigeria that was built by Nigerians.

I enjoyed this series, I wonder how many African countries can match this kind of operation.

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I don't see how doing something that is internationally accepted to be unlawful is ok just because there's an opportunity to do it. It's like a stranger walking into my house and then taking a nap on my couch simply because I left the door unlocked. He might not steal anything, but going into my house uninvited is trespassing. Maybe I'm missing something here.

I don't understand why a country should take blame for not protecting its borders, the people who force a country to protect its borders are the ones who should be blamed. I don't know much about the US-Canada border but I suspect it much like the SA-Botswana border whereby most of it is just mountain range without fencing and hardly patrolled, but it's very unlikely for an illegal Botswana national to be found in SA.

[quote author=Mynd_44]I understand your feeling but what else would we say? The borders are porous and they need to be monitored more effectively.

The Americans see the problems with their borders but they don't because of that give up and SA should not give up either[/quote]USA overprotects the US-Mexico border but US is still flooded by illegal Mexicans. OP could've easily said that Mexicans should give America break by not pouring into America, you would then reply by saying that America should not issue visas but when that's correct you would then say that America should work harder to insulate their borders. Why not tell Mexicans to just stay in Mexico?

[quote author=Mynd_44]They should stop issuing visas[/quote]You only need a visa if you enter at a border post, seaport or airport. Unfortunately most immigrants choose to jump the border. A few years ago the SA government offered amnesty to Zimbabweans to regularise their stay in SA, most of Zimbabweans flooded their consulate to apply for a Zim passport so they could use it for SA papers as our home affairs office required - proof that they came into the country without a passport, therefore no visa.

Now you might say that SA should protect its borders but I'll refer you to USA where they over protect the US-Mexico border but it hasn't helped them.

collynzo2: They are not monoplising Nigeria, and the company stated in that article isn't starting any new business, they are only buying huge shares in already existing NIGERIAN owned companies like UAC and Dangote flour mills. Do you get it? So to answer your question, Nigeria would be the same without them because they didn't start anything new.

First it was all4naija taking credit for a German built company now it's you taking credit for a British built company. Truth is that Naijas don't have real control of any formal business sector in their economy, the oil is in the hands of whites; the telecoms sector is in the hands of South Africans; the public infrastructure projects are spearheaded by Chinese; the formal retail sector is dominated by South Africans and Indians. Naijas don't control anything significant in Nigeria, they are always playing catch-up to foreigners.

collynzo2: ^^^ Those companies mentioned are owned by white South Africans. The article also stated that Tiger brands ventured into Nigeria to compensate for their dwindling fortunes in South Africa. It also stated that MTN gets 29% of its total revenue from Nigeria alone. Tell me one company that was started by a black South African in Nigeria. Don't give me one where a black was forced on them as ceremonial CEOs because of the black of the black economic empowerment policy.

I think that you missed the point, so let me make it clear. If you insist that those companies are owned by whites and you accept that they are monopolising Nigeria as the article suggests, then the question to ask is: where will Nigeria be without whites?

all4naija you should start learning Mandarin coz what would be of your country without these people https://www.nairaland.com/1356946/china-invest-6b-ajaokuta-steel

all4naija: You comments have ever remained shady. Now that you are willing to accept your errors we can gradually progress to look into the very reasons why SA would be in a very bad position without white people. A position that could be worse than the Somalia. That should be at your own request or when I am chanced to spell them out for you with facts.

Nigeria is struggleing to progress even with the help of Chinese, Indians, South Africans and even Germans, so it is easy for me to speculate that Nigeria would be worse than it's current worst state if not for help by outsiders such as South Africans.

all4naija: Lol... You keep making yourself look silly at the end of the day. Where did I say it WASN'T German company? Haven't you read where I said Julius Berger being German was willing to nationalized in Nigeria yet SA refuse to do so to their companies. Yes, Julius Berger is not a Nigerian name in the first place. For you to have come around to say it Julius Berger now 'Bilfinger Berger' which is different from Julius Berger Nigeria as of today proves your intention to take to shady path. That I will not allow to happen in this thread. Form the Wikipedia source quote "Julius Berger Nigeria Plc is a Nigerian construction company, headquartered in Abuja FCT , with additional permanent locations in Lagos and Uyo." with the link HERE, just proved my point about the Nigerian company.

Concerning Berger building Eko Bridge in 1965 point out that a bridge can not make up all the development we are talking about, if we are to go by your view on this matter, although, Nigerians were mostly the 99% laborers. The case is very different from SA. The white people first of all control the economy, dictate for the people and have the rights to all the mines and resources in the past(few given to blacks during black empowerment process have not yielded good returns), just to mention but a few.

You see you are always wrong all along. It is this your guilty conscience that keep raring it ugly head in your comments. It is a shame you are blinding yourself to reality on ground.

Thank you.

Don't be emotional now, try to use reason. Your source clearly states that Julius Berger was incorporated in Germany by a German person, it then further states that the Julius Berger is now majority owned Bilfinger Berger which is a German construction company. What this means all4naija is that this company that you brag about is a subsidiary of a German business(I gave the link to the parent company which is what confused you). Your source also list major projects which the Germans have built in your country, they even built the head office of your central bank as well as the national assembly. Thanks for the source, it was very informative and it reveals how the Germans have been building stuff in your backyard, where would Nigeria be without them?(LOL). It seems like all nationalities build stuff in Nigeria but Naijas do jack - what would be of Nigeria without other nationalities help of modernising your crumbled country?

all4naija: Where are your proofs? This is not about misuse of the English language but about your bogus views. Indeed, over 90% of Nigeria's development is by Nigerians not the Brits.Merely looking at Nigerian infrastructure is an evidence to know it is far from Brits inputs. I think you like to guess about Nigeria with your myopic views as usual.

Meanwhile, looking at your false claim in your previous comment prior to my reply, it is only laughable and nobody would in his rightful mind agree with you.

Please, don't forget to answer my question.

Thank you.

South Africans have made that kind of argument before and you were quick to dismiss it. They tell you that it's black people who built stuff and then you guys say "no; it's white engineers who designed everything", so I'll say that 90% Nigerians you speak of don't conceptualise anything, they just follow instruction given by Chinese and South Africans

all4naija: How does that now make sense of South Africans(white) and foreigners which will ever leave? There are foreigners in all country contributing their various capacities. Huh! You are stoned, dude.

I have said on many occasions that I accept the speculative conclusion that SA would not be were it is today were it not for whites, it's time that you get rid of your denial.

all4naija: Jeez! Do you even understand yourself? I am talking about your link as regard your claim.

I think that you are the one who is delusional. The wiki source that you gave says that this construction company that you are bragging about is owned by Germans, in fact it even states that Julius Berger incorporated the company in Germany and it's first job in Nigeria was the building of the Eko Bridge in 1965 - proof that whites are the ones who built the old Nigeria which has now been ruined by your people.

all4naija: Bwahaha...Even the most uncertain individual will laugh at this your statement. It is palpable you don't know what you are talking about. Hahaha... You are trying to be patriotic yet by fooling yourself with your childish views.

You have a tendency of misusing the English language when you have nothing constructive to say. My comment was straightfoward: whites come to Nigeria; they developed it; then they left; and Naijas destroyed almost everything to the point where most convince themselves that ther have never been whites to Nigeria.

all4naija: Are you going about foreigners or your white people in SA? Which of them is your argument about? Is it about the white people who you claimed to be evil yet developed your society to what is it today? Foreign investors and expatriates are found everywhere around the world, even in the richest and most developed country of the world, the USA.

You really messed up there, dude.

I'm just trying to show you that Nigeria can't modernise by itself. You guys need help and 200 years from now when you are developed there will be a thread with a question like "where would Nigeria be without Chinese and South Africans?"

all4naija: It is clear you are lying with this particular comment. People will see your false claim without the link pointing to what you stated about Julius Berger. You skillfully try to maneuver your comment with sense to make it looks as though it is what is in your link. You are a complete liar. Bwahaha...

That's from your source dude, how did you miss it? You were bragging about a German company.

all4naija: I doubt there is any way South African blacks are organized to carrying on from where the white people left the development of that country if the they are to be told to leave, not to make mention of them not being there at all.

The indigenous people are a bunch of xenophobic group who are ready to prey on African immigrants without looking back. It is a very dangerous society indeed!

Fortunately we don't need to speculate in Nigeria's case, we know that they degenerated their country after whites left.

all4naija: Lol... The validity of your comments and statistics have repeatedly been discredited here by me and other of my colleagues. This your very comment to spite at me with wrong accusation has no place in light of truth of the matter, the way things are in reality as my posts have always pointed out in this particular thread. I think many people who are watching with keen rational will see how you failed to address the matter we are discussing about from a better perspective while you keep going about my personality. It is right to say you have no argument here.

Your refusal to accept what I have educated you on about Julius Berger Nigeria proves you are very aberrant individual and your stand remained contestable in the light of truth surrounding things of your hard-held false opinions. The truth is that the company in question has been in Nigeria for long and has become part of Nigeria as in nationalization. If you are still doubting my post here is a SOURCE for further information for you to read, although, you refused to be educated.

From your source:

The company was listed on the Nigerian Stock Exchange in 1991. Before this, its parent company was Bilfinger Berger. Bilfinger Berger is still the largest shareholder in the company. The construction business of Julius Berger Nigeria is the heart of the Julius Berger Group.

http://www.bilfinger.com/en/

I don't mind repeating this truth: Nothing worthwhile has happened in Nigeria without foreign involvement. Nothing worthwhile is happening in Nigeria without foreign involvement. Nothing worthwhile will happen in Nigeria without foreign involvement. Naijas can't progress on their own.

collynzo2: can you expatiate on that? In what way has South Africa taken us out of the stone age.

It could be that you are still in the stone age.

collynzo2: South Africa is a little better because the whites stayed longer and actually settled permanently.

Kenya's cities are a little bit better because the Kenyans don't create dereliction everywhere they go like Naijas

Nigerians pretend as though whites have never been to their country, they try to prove that they are in charge of their destiny but we all know that Naijas are incapable of doing anything meaningful by themselves.

We live in the information age therefore it's easy to see when people like all4naija lie. We know that this Berger construction company that dominates Nigeria's building sector and is passed off as indigenous is actually majority owned by Germany's Bilfinger Berger, no amount of sophistry will change this fact.

zetdee: www.nairaland.com/1354455/china-ccecc-build-cement-plants

There are 1 or 2 threads like the above each day, whether it's Chinese, South Africans, South Koreans, Americans doing something of value in that dustbin. Anyone reading the comments from naijans can see nothing important ever happens in naija without foreign input, 170million useless people. Nigeria would be a far worse garbage dump without foreigners.

A week ago they were celebrating a shopping centre being built by South Africans in Kano. Even Broll(another SA company) will be managing the place once it's built. It shows that they are incapable on all levels, they can't even manage airports.

collynzo2: Keep posting old videos if you will, but South Africa still have the biggest slum in Africa, followed by Kenya. That's a fact.

The whole of Nigeria is a slum dude.

all4naija: For the point of correction, SA is building nothing meaningful in Nigeria. Stop pedaling misinformation to garner cheap scores here. The Chinese are doing better by providing fund and most of the projects they are involved with in Nigeria are 90% carried out by Nigerians. You are highly uninformed about Nigerian development.

There is nothing indigenous in SA that has no route in the white man's input. MTN is from black empowerment by scooping from white man's wealth to empower the shortsighted blacks. The telecommunication company could have barely survived if not for Nigeria. The richest black South African wealth comes also from black empowerment. You are being feed on welfare funds yet contributing near nothing meaningful to the development of SA. You are bunch of waste given everything on the platter of gold. Don't think Nigeria will give your government free money in this present time. You will probably work for it, as you are doing today with your Shoprite, MTN,etc.

Keep fighting to demolish the development the white people have put in place in your country until there is nothing remaining for you to destroy. Chinese have been to your aid enough, you leaches!

It is clear without white people SA will be worst hell-fire to live in.

It must hurt to admit that the Chinese are doing a better job in your backyard than your clueless country people. That 90% argument sounds familiar, you stole it from South Africans. Nigeria is being developed by foreigners but it's still a cesspool of humanities waste, it shows how damaged that country is.

Of cause things will improve in your country, but that improvement will be thanks to outsiders and South Africans will be able profit from the modernisation they are helping to create in your backyard.

all4naija: We were better off before those people start coming into the country. The pinnacle of Nigerian development was in the past. We even fund your survival during apartheid regime at that time, you i-d-i-o-t.

Hahahaha, what development are you talking about? Whites are the ones who built the Nigeria of the past and then you guys just trashed the place, now it's Chinese and South Africans who are building your country. I will keep saying: nothing major happens in Nigeria without foreign involvement.

all4naija: Give me SA (without white people) and Somalia any day I will choose Somalia.

Give me Nigeria as it is today and Ghana. Guess which I will choose?

all4naija: Stop calling SA your country. A nation where you and your parents were enslaved by the past apartheid and Nigeria had to donate some money for your survival. You don't have a shame on you at all, dude. If I were you I would cease making noise here and bow down to Nigerians for any move they make. It is a pity you never learned your lessons.

Which country is China lab-rat in Africa? SA is. It was even forced to join BRIC without any effort to challenge it. You are being manipulated by the BRIC leaders as BRICS yet your country keeps acting as though relevant in the group. It is very appalling to say the least seeing South Africans bragging about China as their savior.

What much did Nigeria donate? You guys have been reveiving aid which gets embezzeled for much of your existence. Anyway, your president is begging in China as we speak, he's asking the Chinese to come takeover Nigerian airports. Nigerians should be embarrassed that its leadership sees no value in them.