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all4naija: You are now taking to my view as though it's your hard-held opinion. I have always said here to state things the way they are. How can the custodian of facts be accused of ignoring facts, in this particular thread? You must be drooling over my comments with little understanding.

Spare me the strawman argument. Your president has gone to China to beg for loans while our president meets with the Chinese to sign agreements which result in SA business entering the much protected China market. Naspers(owners of Multichoice - the company that entertains Nigerians) is not only active in Nigeria and rest of Africa, deals by SA gov with China have made it possible for Naspers to own a major share in Tencent. I refer you to google if you have not heard of Tencent.

all4naija: Foreign involvement is different from white people of your society involvement in everything that represent SA development. You seem to be trying hard to argue right.

You seem to be trying hard to ignore facts.

all4naija: That is a statemen, man. How what you said is possible in my previous comment is still a challenge to me. To clarify you of your misunderstanding of the whole not a point as in part, 'for the same can be said about SA' just put it in a limelight that SA cannot do without foreigners though your claim Nigeria is of the same category. I hope that one is clear enough for you to understand.

I think that you have trouble with logic. Since you now accept that there is some similarities please answer this question: were would Nigeria be going without foreign involvement?

collynzo2: @All4naija the one man squad, keep placing these slave where they belong.

So speaks the one who is slowly being enslaved by the Chinese. Ignorance is bliss.

all4naija: The same can be said of SA. Indeed, every project in SA has a link to foregners or white people of that society. What is now your argument?

Lol, you keep conceding without realising it.

Nigeria can't even manage its airports. Like I said, nothing big happens in Nigeria without foreign involvement.

www.nairaland.com/1353473/chinese-firm-run-4-nigerian

all4naija: How are they seeing improvement while at the same time being the worst cases in the world? Are you disputing the fact that SA has the highest crime rate on earth? Are you telling me that the inequality in your society is not the world worst scenario? Please, you can go and tell that to the ignoramuses who are living in the shanty towns of your country, not me.

I'm sure that Nigeria would have a very high crime rate if it was capable of keeping statistics. Countries around the world advise their citizens to not travel to Nigeria because it obvious that it's dangerous.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html

all4naija: How is it self-hating? Didn't I provide you with enough reasons why SA could be far worse than Nigeria without white people in my previous comments?

You are one individual who refuses to see above your puffiness, which I see as a self-pity.

Don't confuse reason with speculation. You are speculating that South Africa would be a greater failure than Nigeria were it not for whites. On the other hand I have tried to convince to rather match Nigeria with other countries like Kenya who have had whites come in to build stuff and then leave just like in Nigeria. The difference is that the Kenyans respect themselves and have not messed up things that the whites built. I have accept long ago that SA would not be where it is today were it not for whites, you must now accept that Nigeria will go nowhere without whites and Asians and, of cause, South Africans. Nigerians see things being built and they think it's Nigerians who are pushing the development - wrong. Most major developments in Nigeria get decided in cities outside Nigeria, so when you see stuff popping up in your backyard just know that South Africans or other foreigners have some share in the Nigerian project. Nothing big happens in Nigeria without outsiders being involved and making lots of money.

all4naija: Of course, far worse! We have seen that in Townships and failed organized society, attacks on foreigners and increase in crimes. You are forgetting that SA has the largest number of people living with HIV/AID, inequality and crime rate in the whole wide world. What more is worst about any nation that those?

You suffer from helpless envy. You are accepting that Nigeria is a failure but insist that SA would be a bigger failure. Why the self hate?

all4naija: Question all South African blacks should be asking themselves, without bringing in any animosity, should be. Can the black people of that society develop that country to an enviable position without white people?

The better question is: Can the black people of South Africa decay their country the same way the Naijas have with their motherland?

all4naija: The same can be said of South Africa. I don't need to explain to you more than you want to see. I give up the moment you mention foreign investment on roads in Nigeria. The least that can happen is Nigeria government will take loans to execute them. You are speaking from an outsider perspective.

SA needs to be thankful to the white people of that society for their development.

Nigerians should thank foreigners, especially South Africans, for the little development that's happening in Nigeria. All small pockets of development like the island in Lagos would look like the rest of the hellhole if not for foreign people handing out a helping hand.

all4naija: SA could have been worse without white people. That you refused to understand. Just agree to your lazy a$$es to develop without white inputs.

Nigeria has been showing time and again that it is incapable of proper development, so you can't brag about non-existent development. You try to develop your power sector but fail, you try to develop your roads but. Of cause there will be pockets of success, but those will always have foreign involvement which proves that Nigeria can't properly develop anything without a helping hand.

I respect the people in these documentaries, it's tough to live in these appalling conditions.
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It's possible to take a detailed picture of a slum anywhere in the world but it's only in Nigeira where a photo from the air shows that most of mainland Lagos is ghetto slum.

all4naija: Do you even reason with your head at all? The Hillbrow dilapidate building is just a reference to what SA would be like if the white people left in 1900s.

Hillbrow is dilapidated by SA standards but I'm sure it would be heavan for the average Nigerian. The fact that it's occupied mainly by Nigerians and Zimbabweans should tell you something.

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all4naija: Aren't we saying the same thing here? You are now going about your silliness from a primitive man perspective forgetting the argument is centred around, the reason why white people intend to develop SA.

Your excuses don't make sense. You are saying that whites did not intend to stay in Nigeria eventhough they spent hundreds of years building stuff in your country, stuff that your countrymen have now destroyed. Whites also built Nairobi but the Kenyans have not have not turned it into a giant slum with a livable island.

all4naija: Where did I make claim to that? You should visit Nigeria to know that colonial masters never intended to stay in Nigeria for the reason they didn't develop it to their own standard. 99% of the development in Nigeria is by Nigerians, which is just the reverse case in SA.

Why spend centuries developing a city if you don't intend to stay in it indefinitely? You are making dumb excuses.

all4naija should stop pretending that there have never been whites in Nigeria, he must just accept that Nigerians are good at creating decay wherever they go. Kenyans and Zimbabweans respect themselves that's why they have managed to maintain the white built cities of Nairobi and Harare. Google pictures of those cities to see how nice they look. Lagos on the other hand has been invaded and decayed by Nigerians to the point where it's difficult for all of us, more so all4naija, to see any trace of white influnce in the urban development of the city. This leads him to believe that if whites had left SA that we would have also 'slummified' our cities - wrong.

collynzo2: The difference is that the whites in South Africa came to stay and they've been there ever since. They didn't just come to llot and go away, they develped the place because they took it as their own. South Africa will be worse than Nigeria without whites.

OK, so the question should be "where would South Africa be if whites left in the mid 1900s just like everywhere else in Africa?"

collynzo2: That does not anser the question, will the situation be the same without white people in SA?

But it should be obvious that without white people SA would be a hellhole just like Nigeria. South Africans would be using life savings to buy one-way plane tickets to other better places in the world, probably places that have a majority white population. all4naija is just trying to put a point that black South Aficans would be worse than Nigerians if there were no whites in SA, it hurts him to see people who look like him elsewhere doing great things and so he consoles himself by saying it's the work of whites.

His irrational views make him forget that whites have had influence through much of the African continent, so to ask where SA would be without whites should by extension also be asked where would the African continent be without whites.

all4naija: Image of Zulu women in modern day SA.

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Primitive Zulu girls half-nude.


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Modern Zulu woman modestly dressed.

https://www.womenconfidentials.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/221750_10150157806683262_762273261_6585323_8169236_n.jpg

The difference is that the latter looks more organized and socially advanced in her dressing. The former looks primitive with crude in behavior.

You have no clue what you are talking about. You think that embracing culture is primitive? Maybe that's the real reason why Nigeria is falling behind because it has people like you who frown upon your Africaness. Leave us South Africans to express our true selves.

We are so good at it that we have shows that tour the world to give people a glimpse of our true selves. Watch and enjoy the SA cultural story. http://www.umojatheshow.com/

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solomon111: Sorry,we don't need your 'long' list.
Many of those things you think you can offer can be made in Nigeria by Nigerians.

It's true that Nigeria can make stuff but as Andrewza has been explaining, Nigeria does not have the capacity to be a competitive industrial base. Most things manufactured in Nigeria will always be found cheaper elsewhere, this due to the difficult business environment and it's not only limited to power. Once you fix power, you will be faced with other problems like logistics. But power problem alone shows the most bleak prospect for Nigeria.

The electricity problem is not something that will get sorted overnight. South Africa had blackouts in 2008 which prompted Eskom(state owned utility) to start building new power stations, those power stations are under construction and will be completed in 2017. In the meantime Eskom has been spending millions on adverts that tell people to not use power and in some instances they are forced to do this...

ESKOM has invoked its right to disrupt the power supply to BHP Billiton’s aluminium smelters in the case of an emergency as demand by households showed signs it will exceed the state-owned utility’s capacity to generate enough power this winter.

The demand forecast for the remainder of this week showed South Africa was on the brink of plunging into blackouts similar to those experienced in 2008.

Delays in commissioning the Medupi power plant and maintenance of Eskom’s existing power-generating facilities are largely responsible for reducing the utility’s spare capacity.

In the event of an emergency, Eskom intends to exercise its option to redirect over 2,000MW of power from the Hozatel smelter in KwaZulu-Natal and the Mozal smelter in Mozambique to the grid, as part of a supply agreement that allows it to interrupt the power supplied to the smelters for up to two hours a week, at any given time.

BHP Billiton SA had not yet been informed of how much power would be taken away from it, spokeswoman Lulu Letlape told Business Day on Thursday.

She said it was not yet clear how many of its potlines would be affected by a possible shutdown. If power to smelters is shut down, it forces the plant to operate at reduced capacity and it is usually costly to restart the smelter once power is fully restored.

BHP Billiton is Eskom’s single biggest consumer. In the 1990s, the company signed a controversial power supply agreement at a lower rate than other industrial customers, which Eskom has been trying to have reviewed since 2004 — so far unsuccessfully.

Eskom said on Thursday that it expected demand to peak at 35,364MW last night against the available capacity of 34,9740MW to meet that demand, resulting in a power deficit of 394MW.

"The risk that we flag is that our margins are very, very tight," said Eskom spokeswoman Hilary Joffe said. "There’s a long weekend coming up and that’s a good time to do maintenance."

Monday is the Youth Day public holiday.

Ms Joffe said the utility will be speeding up the maintenance of its power-generating fleet over the holiday weekend in an effort to raise its capacity and avert a collapse in the national grid as demand increases this winter.

Eskom’s margin is the thinnest since the power cuts struck Africa’s biggest economy five years ago, pushing commodity prices to records as gold and platinum mining companies halted operations for five days. With its power buyback programme over, Eskom intends to generate extra back-up power from other energy-intensive users, said Ms Joffe.

Demand is expected to remain high tonight, showing signs of falling only at the weekend, she said.

Next week, Eskom is expected to give an update on the progress of the build programme for its Medupi power station, which is expected to generate first power by December.

Eskom CEO Brian Dames told the parliamentary standing committee last month there were key areas that had to be sorted out in order to achieve the deadline, which included Alstom’s successful completion of tests on the software for the plant’s control and instruments, and repairing faulty welds on the boilers supplied by Hiatchi.

Eskom announced on Wednesday that it had resolved the labour issues at Medupi and Kusile which had also been an obstacle to the completion of work at the plants.

"Alstom can confirm that tests at Medupi are ongoing at this time and they are closely collaborating with Eskom," Alstom spokesman Thebe Mabanga said. "Final delivery will be communicated to our customer, Eskom, before being made public. Alstom remains committed to delivering on the Medupi project on time."

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/energy/2013/06/14/eskom-will-divert-power-from-billiton-whenever-demand-exceeds-capacity
So good luck to Nigeria

It's trade people - you give me something, and I give you something. At the moment Nigeria only gives oil while SA gives a long list of things.

Only military spam allowed in this thread.

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Paranoid Americans who fly in everything.

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NaijaPikinGidi: Like I promised, I'll be sharing the real sense behind the beautiful university images that has been bandied around for the usual SA style deception. Information that explains once and for all why most of the block head South Africans argue and talk the way they do here. Don't worry there is a military angle to all of what I am about to prove. But before that here is one more chance to have South Africans truthfully rebut the following:

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Pettiness is the gunpowder in the hands of South African commentators on this thread. Cut and paste syndrome in the same people shows readers the level of emptiness and lack of analytical skills common with all recent South African comments or arguments on the thread. Pasting sometimes undated, old, and unreliable data, graphs and charts with questionable sources cannot substitute for well-grounded commentary needed to wage an intelligent debate. Only if CraigB could understand half of his own arguments innuendos.

South Africa is just all about the bling. But here is the zing that they'll keep hiding ... They are ...
:: The only country that plays around with feaces (real shit) in public and on the streets of Cape Town and the Free State in the name of politics.
:: The country with the worlds highest ratio of human inequalities.
:: The country that has the largest informal human settlements with millions living in tin shacks and cardboard houses with walless open toilets.
:: The country where cemeteries are undug to bury extra dead people in majority of poor communities.
:: A country where you need an abyssmal 33% score to pass matriculation exams into South African Universities.
:: A country where poverty is rife that young girls are encouraged to fall pregnant as a means of accessing an "income" via child grants.
:: A country where racial divides constitute a time bomb in all spheres of socio-economic endeavours no matter how colourful the media portrays the rainbow in South Africa.
:: A country with a consistently regressing growth rate and progressing inflation rate.
:: A country so economically and fiscally wasteful in the face of growing poverty that it spends billions of taxpayer cash on ego trips around the world - R1 billion in one week for Barack Obama, R160million plus in 4 months for a clueless and lost mission to CAR, R200million in corrupt and unauthorized construction and fortification of Jacob Zuma's personal family home in Nkandla.

The list of South Africa's failing qualities could go on and on. Again the temptation to play low-life like CraigB and his Ghanaian surrogates will be a waste of time. Pasting statistics without the personal power to critically analyse them only show a person's worst stupidity. So therefore ... by CraigB's own standards, SADC's South Africa is a FAILED state and still falling royally.

Saying stuff that's in the news.

all4naija: *I scratch the back of my head*

You are beginning to make comments like a sixth-grader. I don't really know if they r@ped Nigeria or not but I can testify to the fact they contribute to the country expatriate skills provision, most especially, in the oil industry. No apartheid, no xenophobia, no animosity against different human colors and just to mention but a few. Unlike SA they are few meaning we can survive without them and still remain what we are. That can not be said of SA.

Lets be honest, whites have been r@ping Nigeria for eternity, they steal Nigerian wealth and leave you guys with crumbs that in turn get looted by your corrupt officials. It's only in the early 2000s when South Africans, the true savious of Nigeria, decided to start industries in Nigeria. At that time, the world had no hope in Nigeria but SA chose to take a risk by bringing seriousness to your country's disorganised dealings - it has paid off seeing that SA companies keep building more in Nigeria dispite the dismal business environment. SA is making huge profit in Nigeria while at the same time making Nigeria appear serious to the world. BUT, as the say, "one step forward, two steps back", whenever SA builds something and gives Nigeria one step forward, you guys make two steps back by bombing each other in silly ethnic and religious wars.

all4naija: I am glad you are finally opening your mind to understand what I am trying to say. Now you can see things from my own way which is from a civilized perspective. Welcome on-board the civilized world bandwagon.

Maybe it's better to say that the whites in Nigeria r@pe the country.

all4naija: They aren't Nigerians as the ones of South Africa. Most of them are expatriates. The white in Nigeria should be better than the ones in SA because they mostly come from the developed countries of the world. like the USA, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Canada, Australia, just to mention but a few where the technology is very advanced.

You keep failing to see how your country will regress rapidly to become the worst in Africa if your white are told to leave the country. The white people have ever been the saviour of that country.

OK, I get it. Nigeria has better whites than South Africa although the ones in SA are the saviours of the country. Full marks?

all4naija: Why should I regret saying the truth? Aren't there white people in Nigeria? You are the one who is afraid of white people while Nigeria continues to open its border to receive them with open-arms.

It's just odd to say that. Maybe the whites in SA are better than the ones in Nigeria.(I'm using your strange way of thinking of cause)