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*Kails*:
LOL i was going to say you're overreacting until I saw the bold.
that's a very good point!

BUT i don't think he is islamophobic...he was just walking on egg shells trying to please everyone and it ended up being a FAIL.

Are you a muslim?

Islamphobe according to muslims is a person with irrational fear for muslims or islam

Rule 17 is the most controversial rule because it sounds unfair. My fellow moderators have debated this rule at length and it could not be changed. We cannot extend the prohibition against offence to other religions because that limits your freedom of speech, and we cannot remove that rule without jeopardizing security and the safety of lives. Sorry about this.

www.nairaland.com/1284717/it-crime-save-lives-then
www.nairaland.com/1284399/concerning-controversial-new-rules-nairaland

Seun the owner of nairaland has been under the spotlight for making rules prohibiting members from making comments that muslims would consider offensive.

His reasons for making such a rule to prevent religious violence in the past sparked by anti islam posts in the media.

So is Seun's fear of muslims violence that could jeopardize the national security and the safety of lives rational or irrational? Is it islamophobic?

Seun: Rule 17 is the most controversial rule because it sounds unfair. My fellow moderators have debated this rule at length and it could not be changed. We cannot extend the prohibition against offence to other religions because that limits your freedom of speech, and we cannot remove that rule without jeopardizing security and the safety of lives. Sorry about this.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/840165_ragecomic_NL_png62abca8b618a4e33a26c43e0ced4f83f

Courtesy of logicboy.

tiarabubu: Simplistic comparisons and generalisations made in that article. But the important thing is that at least the law is catching up with the offenders: Jail terms, derobings, fines, settlements, public discourse etc. In time the exposure will ensure that evryone is aware of the problem and its made a thing of the past.



As brilliant as the article is, how about facing child brides in the Muslim world? VVF in Northern Nigeria for starts, or even things like Boko Haram or the sectarian crisis in Pakistan, Iraq etc. Is there a public discourse about these chronic problems or an attempt by the Ummah to face them squarely? Or the usual refrain "they are not Muslims" and we continue to live with the wahala.

Good for the writer is a Muslim exercising his rights to free speech in Britain and is not a Christian trying the same in Pakistan, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi, or Malaysia.


The whites are facing and dealing with their problems squarely. Are the writer's people doing the same?

On point

Deal with the problem like the fatwa a saudi cleric issued. You know Babies are sexy beasts. So sexy, in fact, that muslim men feel an uncontrollable urge to rape them. At least, this is, according to Saudi sheikh Abdullah Daoud. Hot and unable to keep his hand out of the proverbial cookie jar, Daoud issued a fatwa in an attempt to curb the temptations they're facing: baby girls must wear the burqa.

Daoud was very forward when asked to explain his fatwa: he cited statistics regarding child rape as justification for veiling babies.

Footage of a Saudi cleric calling for all female babies to have their faces covered with the burkha has surfaced.

Sheikh Abdullah Daoud delivered the fatwa on Islamic al-Majd TV and stressed his belief the veil would protect baby girls from being sexually molested.

The clip, flagged up by Al Arabiya, sees him attempting to back up the ruling by quoting unnamed Saudi Arabian medical and security sources.

Sheikh Adbullah Daoud stressed his belief the veil would protect baby girls from being sexually molested.

While Daoud’s comments were made in October last year, they have been revisited in light of the verdict against a Saudi cleric accused of raping and torturing his five-year-old daughter to death.

According to the Associated Press, Fayhan al-Ghamdi was ordered to pay $50,000 “blood money” to the slain girl’s mother,but was spared a jail sentence. He is said to have questioned the girl's virginity.

Under Saudi Arabian Islamic law, a father cannot be executed for murdering his children or his wife.

Of Daoud’s comments, Digital Journal writes: "Some agree that instances of reported sexual assault against young girls within Saudi Arabia are on the increase.

.http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/blackberry/p.html?id=2613803

bilms: Though i didn't take the picture.

Why?

Sad story. Rip to the man.

Lagoshia was the man bombed by silly 'peaceful' islamophobias (or whatever you lots call it)? Or by another muslim that just happens to misunderstand the peaceful message of islam? Or was he on the right path as this shia muslim suggests?

Rafidi: I do not criticize for instance Sunni Hamas for conducting suicide bombing or what they call martyrdom operation against Israeli targets.b

PEN_MIGHT: Paris-love, pls believe in Allaah now! I dey beg u now before it is too late.! Pls take no offense o...just a harmless friendly advice.

Are you begging or commanding me? Make up your mind you seem confused and desperate.

PEN_MIGHT: The 'team islamophobia' won't complete without you. What is it on earth that will happen dt will prevent Paris love not to wander here. They are always gathering to feast here and devour our serenity. We know them all- just like the back of our hands. I call them the Scalar Quantities.

Nothing good comes from them. Why?

Not only 'islamophobia'. There's a new word in town now. I think it's islamonausea i'll dig around for pic description of it.

Coco diva: Like it or not,Islam came to standardize everything that came before it.it is the yardstick of the muslims.So, a muslim uses the Quranic teachings to regulate his/her life.A muslim does not believe in freedom of everything he/she does in life.He weighs it by the teachings of the Quran.so if the Quran orders muslim women to dress in a modest way to guard both the women and men of that society from immoral acts why in the world would the government allow non-muslim women in that same place to dress "as they like"? Figure it out.

Because not everybody believe in your allah or quran. Some think it's absolute rubbish regurgitated from seventh century illiterate arab man. Go figure

maclatunji: I laugh in Chinese. The rules are clear, if someone does not follow them, that is another matter.

This for example is a very detailed explanation on the matter http://mwlusa.org/topics/violence&harrassment/abuseverse.htm

The same Panorama programme exposes people not meeting up to set standards from different areas of life every week. What is the point? To expose and correct people not to attack the rules.

Insight is something you seemingly lack.

Correcting people that's what am trying to do. But i can't force them not practice their religion where physically abusing women is divinely sanctioned can i?

Talking about rules were you not the one that once tried to prove me wrong by quoting a hadith were a woman that was battered by her husband came to complain to the prophet and he simply told her to go back to her abusive husband?

So tell me, where are these judges erring by telling women to go back to their abusive husband like Muhammad did in his days that need correction?

Keep laughing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF0ECnPbRQ8

Another lie to fool the gullible and ignorant folks.

BBC Panorama has uncovered fresh evidence of how some Sharia councils in Britain may be putting Muslim women "at risk" by pressuring them to stay in abusive marriages...

We had seen the public face of Leyton Sharia Council, but we sent an undercover reporter to see what advice they would give a vulnerable female client. Her story was that her husband was hitting her...

He went on to tell her that reporting the abuse to the police would be a final blow and she would have to leave the house and go to a refuge. He said that was a very "bad option".

His wife, a counsellor at Leyton Islamic Sharia Council, also told the undercover reporter not to go to the police but to involve the family instead.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22044724

They never fall to tell us how their prophet was giving out mosques during his time yet somehow no church is allowed to stand on Islam holiest ground.

vedaxcool: Wahabi king visits Vatican;

Pope Benedict XVI met on November 6 with King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia: the first meeting ever between a Roman Pontiff and a Saudi monarch.

In a formal statement released after the meeting, the Vatican said that the Pope's 30-minute talk with King Abdullah, held in the library of the apostolic palace, had been conducted in "a cordial atmosphere," allowing the two "consider questions close to the heart of both sides."

Prior to the meeting, Vatican officials had quietly confirmed that the Pope would press the Saudi monarch to ease restrictions on religious freedom. The Saudi monarchy, which takes pride in its role as custodian of Islam's holiest shrines, at Mecca and Medina, forbids any public manifestation of other religions. The 1.2 million Christians living in the country (most of them foreign workers) are not allowed to build churches, hold public services, or wear religious jewelry and insignia.

The official Vatican account of the Pope's meeting with King Abdullah referred only obliquely to the question of religious freedom, saying that the two had discussed "inter-religious and inter-cultural dialogue aimed at peaceful and fruitful coexistence." The statement also mentioned the "positive and industrious presence of Christians" in Saudi Arabia.

King Abdullah stopped in Rome during a tour of European cities. At a dinner hosted by Italy's President Giorgio Napolitano on the eve of his visit with the Pope, the Saudi monarch had said that he was hoping to strengthen inter-religious dialogue. "If everyone followed the principles of their religions, and did what Allah ordered, the world would be freed of conflicts," he said.

The Saudi leader has taken a keen interest in the peace process in the Middle East, and the Pope's talk with Abdullah included a discussion of "the need to find a just solution to the conflicts affecting the region, especially that between Israelis and Palestinians," the Vatican reported.

Although no Saudi king had ever visited the Vatican before today's historic meeting, Abdullah himself had met with Pope John Paul II in 1999. At that time, although his formal rank was crown prince, Abdullah was the de facto head of the Saudi government, since his brother and predecessor, King Fahd, had been crippled by a stroke in 1995. Abdullah became king upon Fahd's death in 2005.

After his meeting with the Pope, King Abdullah spoke separately with the Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, and with the Secretary for Relations with States, Archbishop Dominique Mamberti.

Saudi Arabia is one of the few countries in the world that does not have formal diplomatic relations with the Holy See.

www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=54597

paris-love:
So has the mornarch agreed to ease the religious retriction imposed on Christians? Are they now allowed to build churches, hold public services, wear their religious insignias without any fear of persecution?

It'd really suck to know that the custodian of islam holiest shrine misunderstands the religious freedom they claim islam preaches.

Can't the hypocritical muslims here make their points without unnecessary dragging Christians into their rants?

(CNN)–Is her job at odds with her faith? CNN’s Alina Cho reports on Muslim bikini model Maryam Basir.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylGzMtNeC28

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/04/bikini-model-im-a-faithful-muslim/

Kim has moved on, mr Jay should do the same. We all know you hit first.

nig2change: .

My questions to fellow naija folks is that why do prefer to suffer abroad than to hustle in Nigeria. Many African countries are envious of our black gift from God. Imagine selling your house to buy visa, travel tickets to abroad to start afresh in the name of various national challenges which great countries have passed through in their nation building.

Sometimes it seems, you don’t need too many reasons to hate Nigeria and I feel so hateful towards my country right now. http://m.news24.com/nigeria/MyNews24/Nigeria-will-never-pull-through-like-this-20130327

Why won't they stop nigerians from entering their hotel when they go around the world defrauding other people? I wonder what others are envious of. Their terrorism? Corruption? Lack of basic infrastructures?

Yes it should of concern to anyone with human empathy something you seem to lack. Hopefully the minorities there, people of other faiths won't get their lives and properties destroyed by those that profess the religion of peace over allegation of blasphemy.

vedaxcool: Wahabi king visits Vatican;

Pope Benedict XVI met on November 6 with King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia: the first meeting ever between a Roman Pontiff and a Saudi monarch.

In a formal statement released after the meeting, the Vatican said that the Pope's 30-minute talk with King Abdullah, held in the library of the apostolic palace, had been conducted in "a cordial atmosphere," allowing the two "consider questions close to the heart of both sides."

Prior to the meeting, Vatican officials had quietly confirmed that the Pope would press the Saudi monarch to ease restrictions on religious freedom. The Saudi monarchy, which takes pride in its role as custodian of Islam's holiest shrines, at Mecca and Medina, forbids any public manifestation of other religions. The 1.2 million Christians living in the country (most of them foreign workers) are not allowed to build churches, hold public services, or wear religious jewelry and insignia.

The official Vatican account of the Pope's meeting with King Abdullah referred only obliquely to the question of religious freedom, saying that the two had discussed "inter-religious and inter-cultural dialogue aimed at peaceful and fruitful coexistence." The statement also mentioned the "positive and industrious presence of Christians" in Saudi Arabia.

King Abdullah stopped in Rome during a tour of European cities. At a dinner hosted by Italy's President Giorgio Napolitano on the eve of his visit with the Pope, the Saudi monarch had said that he was hoping to strengthen inter-religious dialogue. "If everyone followed the principles of their religions, and did what Allah ordered, the world would be freed of conflicts," he said.

The Saudi leader has taken a keen interest in the peace process in the Middle East, and the Pope's talk with Abdullah included a discussion of "the need to find a just solution to the conflicts affecting the region, especially that between Israelis and Palestinians," the Vatican reported.

Although no Saudi king had ever visited the Vatican before today's historic meeting, Abdullah himself had met with Pope John Paul II in 1999. At that time, although his formal rank was crown prince, Abdullah was the de facto head of the Saudi government, since his brother and predecessor, King Fahd, had been crippled by a stroke in 1995. Abdullah became king upon Fahd's death in 2005.

After his meeting with the Pope, King Abdullah spoke separately with the Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, and with the Secretary for Relations with States, Archbishop Dominique Mamberti.

Saudi Arabia is one of the few countries in the world that does not have formal diplomatic relations with the Holy See.

www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=54597

So has the mornarch agreed to ease the religious retriction imposed on Christians? Are they now allowed to build churches, hold public services, wear their religious insignias without any fear of persecution?

It'd really suck to know that the custodian of islam holiest shrine misunderstands the religious freedom they claim islam preaches.

braine: So they expect "flowers" to change the deeds of their brothers or what?? Nothing can change that religion or the perspective people have of it. Nice try tho.

Maybe it can. It'd be nice if our muslim brothers in Nigeria handout flowers this Easter period than the usual C4s.

Look on the bright side.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/assets_c/2013/03/Flowers-thumb-500x390-2138.jpg

CNN PRODUCER NOTE     Saudi Muslim students in American colleges and universities launched a nation-wide campaign in February called "Mohammed is a Prophet of Mercy: Sharing the language of peace and love". Muslim students carried out the campaign in Times Square on Sunday, March 24. The aim of the campaign is to emphasize the similarities between Muslim and other religions through simple statements of love, said Waleed Ali Aljohani, a medical student who coordinated the New York event. iReporter Sunsetlady says she happened to be in Times Square and shot these photos.
- dsashin, CNN iReport producer.

Muslim students in the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand and England formed a campaign to explain Prophet Muhammad’s message of peace by giving away roses.

On March 24, a group of students from Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yemman, led by Dr. Waleed Ali Aljohani and Ghazi Ali Al-Hassan, carried out the campaign in Times Square.

According to Dr. Aljohani, “After 9/11, a lot of people linked between Islam and violence. We decided as Muslim students to introduce our true religion and show how Islam is a religion of love, mercy and peace by distributing flower with cards stating about love, respect and mercy. We are not asking people to be Muslim but at least we can show what the similarities between Islam and other religions. The similarities between Muslim and other religion, nations and culture are more than different; No reason for Islamophobia. Muslim could be anyone – family, friend, or neighbor. So you can look to what we are sharing together – love, peace and mercy.”

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-947366

Cute eh?

maclatunji: Nigerians have a problem- see positive news about religious tolerance, little interest. However, post X group kills 100 in Attack and you have people queuing to post in their hundreds.

#Distasteful

You have a problem. Were you not the one that told me Christians are not allowed to practice their religion freely in islamic states? Now you want us to start jumping up and down because of this?

At topic, good gesture by the church. Let's hope they return the favor in kind.

She's ok

goldylock: Who is loling with u? Its a simple question answer it and stop redirecting people. Assignment ko assignment ni. Mention them and state facts joor! Just as u n ur co mod ban people without reason or cause. How typical.

Spot on.