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One of his fairytales, like the one he said he went to the temple in Jerusalem and returned. Abu seriously doubted and many left as a result and the other one he claimed to travel on some beast to haggle the number of praying times with his god... https://images.zaazu.com/img/Geek-geek-nerds-eyeglass-smiley-emoticon-001108-facebook.gif

Those who make you believe absurdities make you commit atrocities"

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What did i miss?
After following the other thread more than 50 pages from the 1st page(wow i tried ) i got discouraged. As i don't do politics, so someone should update me please.

Who won??!!!!!!!!!!!??

That's why i root for Mitt Romney, no apologies

atuagbo: @paris-love, u too much. Hw did u get all dis info?

here http://m.sodahead.com/united-states/the-pagan-origins-of-islam/question-2662947/?page=5
Pagan requirement of “Ihram”

'Ihram' is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshiping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah. Here is proof from the Hadith regarding its pagan heritage:

Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706

Pagan heritage of Circumambulation

Circumambulation is to go in circles around a particular object. In Islam, worshipers and pilgrims do this around the Ka'aba at Mecca. Pre-Islamic pagans used do it to please the moon god Hubal, the 360 deities and Allah (who was merely one among the many deities worshiped there). Muhammad himself used to do it, even before the 360 idols inside the Ka'aba were removed.

Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation to please God. Two other faiths which do are Hinduism and Buddhism, religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism” and practicing idolatry.

In the Islamic ritual of Tawaf, Muslims go around the Kaaba 7 times. In the Hindu marriage rite of Saptapadi, the married couple goes around a fire also 7 times.

Pagan heritage of Islamic Crescent Moon

Hubal was the moon god worshiped at the Ka’aba. The crescent moon was Hubal’s symbol. Muhammad's pagan grandfather Abd al-Muttalib almost slaughtered Muhammad's father Abdallah at the Ka’aba, to satisfy his god Hubal. From Ibn Hisham:

An arrow showed that it was 'Abdullah to be sacrificed. 'Abdul-Muttalib then took the boy to Al-Ka'bah with a razor to slaughter the boy. Quraish, his uncles from Makhzum tribe and his brother Abu Talib, however, tried to dissuade him. They suggested that he summon a she-diviner. She ordered that the divination arrows should be drawn with respect to 'Abdullah as well as ten camels. … the number of the camels (finally) amounted to one hundred. … They were all slaughtered to the satisfaction of Hubal.

The Ka’aba, Islam's holiest shrine, has been a place where such pagan human sacrifices and slaughters have taken place for Hubal and rivers of blood have flown. When Muhammad founded Islam, he threw out Hubal. At the Battle of Badr, his enemy Abu Sufyan praised the high position of moon god Hubal, saying "O Hubal, be high". Muhammad asked his followers to yell back, "Allah is higher".

Is moon-god Hubal no longer "higher"? Is Islam completely free of the 'moon' influence? Take a closer look at mosques all over the world, and you are likely to find Hubal’s symbol, the crescent moon, positioned at a high point of the mosque. As with the Cross for Christianity and the Star of David for Judaism, the Crescent moon is today a universal symbol for Islam.

It may not be a deliberate effort to worship Hubal. And yet, interestingly, through Islam, the pagan prayer of Muhammad's enemy Abu Sufyan at Badr has been answered, "O Hubal be high". With such rich pagan heritage, let not Muslims claim that theirs is a pure religion that descended directly from Allah’s heaven.

^^^Lol i wont even bother posting links cuz ali sinathe scammer as been rebuked in many ways

Lol, think you've seen your Bassam have been debunked why bother?

and as for that scripture you claim a king. . .then who was given kings to fight for jehovah?? If not then who instructed Moses to kill for him in deut 7:1-6
2. And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them,nor show mercy unto them:. . . . .
3. Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4. For they will turn away thy son from following me,that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
5. But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroytheir altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

God wasn't displaying any terror. He didn't ask anybody to kill for or those who didn't accept the religion of israelites. In fact inn ancient times there was no religion. It's all nationalistic. In deut7 God was simply telling them they'll Possess their land. And of course they opposition were idol worshipers. All those orders to became void once Israelis got their land back. Beginning of that verse was referring hittites, cannanites, amorites and these don't exist today. All of OT were historical and not a direct order for anyone so you can keep quoting them from now till tomorrow I'll still tell you the same thing.

Allah has said "Let there be no compulsion in religion"(Quran 2:256) . . .

the meccan verses have been abrogated by medina ones. What is expected of a good muslim is
1. Every muslim must follow Mohammed’s example.
The Quran is quite explicit here, that every muslim should follow the “perfect example” of Allah’s prophet, Mohammed.
“Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.” [Sura 33.21]
So the first step is for you to follow what Mohammeddid.
2. The first duty is to Jihad.
Now consider what Mohammed tells us is the greatest priority for every muslim. From the Hadith collection.
Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet was asked, “Which is the best deed?” He said, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle.” He was then asked, “Which is the next (in goodness)?” He said, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.”
So each and every muslim is obliged to participate in Jihad. And who can ever forget the words of SheikFeiz Mohammed from Undercover Mosque fame?
“The pinnacle, the crest, the summit of Islam is……..Jihad!”.
Now you ask what could be the purpose of the Jihad?
3. The whole world must be converted to Islam.
The Quran now tells us that Mohammed was sent to bring Islam to the whole world.
“It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it)”. [Sura 9.33]
So now we know that every muslim is called to participate in Jihad with the aim to bring Islam to the whole world. So what will bring victory and how do we do this? Once again, we look to Mohammed.
4. Mohammed states that Terror brings Victory.
Mohammed is very clear here. He achieved victory through the use of Terror! From the Hadith collection.
Al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing thewidest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
And this is supported by the Quran.
“Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” [Sura 8.12]
So this is very clear. Terror is the tool that brings about victory (according to Mohammed). And good muslims everywhere are finding many ways to strike terror into the infidels, from flying planes into tall buildings, blowing up railway stations, London buses, tourist havens in Bali, burning churches, forest fires, beheadings and many more.
5. Allah will punish you if you don’t fight.
By now you will be aware that to be a good muslim, you must engage in Jihad and use terror to be victorious. If this thought makes you a little squeamish, consider what will happen if you DON’T follow Mohammed’s example and conduct Jihad withterror. From the Quran we learn this:
“Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.” [Sura 9.39]
So understand that if you don’t join in the Jihad, Allah will punish you! Perhaps we should pause at this point and take some guidance from a Saudi cleric on Jihad.
6. Muslims must fight ALL non muslims.
There are many verses from the Quran to instruct you here. Here are but a few:
‘Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are)of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” [Sura 9.29]
Or maybe this:
“O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.” [Sura 9.123]
And remember that infidels are your sworn enemies[Sura 4.101], and you must be ruthless to the infidel[Sura 48.29]. Neither may you take Jews and Christians as friends. [ Sura 5.51]
7. Fight with any means available to you.
So now we ask if there are “rules of engagement” toconduct Jihad? Well, Allah makes it easy for you here, There are NO rules! You can use whatever means you have to instill terror and conduct Jihad. From the Quran:
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, anseize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” [Sura 9.5]
Allah has been so generous here, and there are so many available today, from flying planes into buildings, blowing up public infrastructure, lighting forest fires, using nuclear bombs or biological weapons, or even poisoning food at the local supermarket. Nothing is forbidden to you.
8. If a muslim leaves Islam, you must kill them.
Now you must be aware that if you leave Islam, you must be killed. Consider this from the Quran:
“They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” [Sura 4.89]
So understand that Islam does NOT tolerate apostates. They must be killed.
9. If you suspect another muslim is not on the correct path, kill them.
Apparently there are about 72 different sects in Islam, and each sect believes that they are the onesfollowing the true path. When you look at Iraq you find
Sunnis killing Shi’ias and vice versa. In Pakistan the Taliban kill anyone who is NOT Taliban, and so on.
“Seventy-two of the seventy-three Muslim sects willgo to hell; only one of the sects will be in Paradise; itis the majority group” (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 3.40.4580)
Whoever creates disunity in the Islamic community kill him…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 3.40.4744) In a note (footnote 4153), the English translator of Sunaan Abu Dawud, Professor Ahmad Hasan admits that it ispermissible to ‘cannibalize’ dissident Islamic group/s. He writes: ‘
The Prophet (may peace be upon him) did not tolerate disunity and schism among Muslims. Therefore, he ordered that, instead of causing separation and disagreement in the community, it isbetter to kill the person who causes disunity.’ (See References on Islamic canibalism)
Another hadis (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 40.4747, Sahih Bukhari, 4.55.577) asks to murder those Muslims who are insincere in their faith. This hadis even tellsthat Allah loves the Muslims who kill those insincereMuslims.
10. If you get killed fighting for Allah, you will go to Paradise.
Of course you realise that with all this killing and fighting, your own life could be at risk. But don’t worry, Allah has promised to take you into Paradise, unless perhaps if you are a woman, as Mohammed said that Hell will be full of women!
“Allah hath purchased of the believers their personsand their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, throughthe Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: thatis the achievement supreme.” [Sura 9.111]
Summary.
So let us just recap on what we have learned about being a good muslim, from Mohammed:
Jihad is the first duty, the best in goodness.
The whole world must be converted .
Terror will make you victorious Allah will punish you if you don’t fight You must fight all infidels around you and be ruthless with them.
You may use any means at your disposal to fight.
You must kill anyone who leaves Islam or is not following the true path And if you are killed fighting,Allah will take you into paradise.

and you did'nt tell the reason why Jesus said "those of mine enemies who doesn't want me to reign over them, bring them and kill them before me" since you turn to it parable why was he given such a terror speech??

The parable is self explanatory. Read luke 19 from verse 11.

ccording to the hadith, the Ka'aba in Mecca was a center of idol-worship, with the Ka'aba housing 360 idols:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Masud: The Prophet entered Mecca and (at that time) there were three hundred-and-sixty idols around the Ka’aba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had in his hand and reciting: "Truth (Islam) has come and Falsehood (disbelief) has vanished." (Sahih Bukhari 3:43:658)

Muhammad discarded the 360 idols but retained for Islam, the Ka’aba with its Black Stone, justifying it with the claim that Abraham and Ishmael originally constructed it. However, there is no historical or archaeological evidence for the existence of the Ka’aba beyond a few hundred years before Muhammad's lifetime.

The Qur'an says Abraham built it:
Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). (Qur'an 2:125)

Muhammed says it was built 40 years prior to the Temple at Jerusalem:
Narrated Abu Dhaar: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them? He replied, forty years. (Sahih Bukhari 4:55:636)

The Temple at Jerusalem was built by Solomon around 958-951 BC. This implies that if Muhammad were to be believed, the Ka’aba must have been built approximately 998-991 BC. But Abraham lived around 2000 BC and both Abraham and Ishmael would have been dead by then.

If Muhammad is correct, then the Qur’an [and therefore Allah] is wrong. But if the Qur’an is correct in stating that Abraham and Ishmael built the Ka’aba, then Muhammad and the hadith is wrong. The Ka’aba has nothing to do with Abraham or Ishmael.

Worship at the Ka’aba and the kissing of the Black Stone are just the first of many practices adopted from 7th century paganism and repackaged within monotheistic Islam.

Pagan heritage of the Black-stone

The pagan gods of pre-Islamic Arabia were worshipped in the form of rectangular stones or rocks. For example, the pagan deity 'Al-Lat', mentioned in Qur'an 53:19, and believed by pre-Islamic pagans to be one of the daughters of Allah, was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta'if in Saudi Arabia. An edifice was built over the rock to mark it apart as a house of worship. From the Kitab Al-Asnam (Book of idols):

Al-lat stood in al-Ta'if, and was more recent than Manah. She was a cubic rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq). Her custody was in the hands of the banu-'Attab ibn-Malik of the Thayif, who had built an edifice over her. [...]She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, "Have you seen Al-lat and al-'Uzza (Surah 53:19)?

"A principal sacred object in Arabian religion was the stone, either a rock outcropping or a large boulder, often a rectangular or irregular black basaltic stone… of numerous baetyls, the best known is the Black-stone of the Ka’aba at Mecca which became the central shrine object in Islam"

There is no denying that the Black Stone was one among many stones and idols venerated at the Ka’aba by the pre-Islamic pagans. The Black Stone was kissed during pre-Islamic pagan worship. Though Muhammad threw out 360 other objects at the Ka’aba, he retained this Black Stone and continued the practice of kissing it. It is this same stone that the pre-Islamic pagans once kissed, that Muslims kiss today when visiting Mecca.

Pagan past of Islamic praying and fasting

Praying

Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca. Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al-Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from "Moses", Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.

Fasting

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the Quraish, fasted on the 10th of Muharram. Though optional, Muhammad retained this pagan practice too. Here is proof from the Hadith:

Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the tenth of Muharram) was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172

Pagan heritage of Tawaf between Safa and Marwa

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelation.[7] Here is proof from the Hadith about the pagan past of the ceremonies at Safa and Marwah:
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158)
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710

A myth was also created about Hagar running between these two mounts in search of water until she found the Zamzam Well. Even if this story were true, why is this reason for people to run up and down between two mounts to please a god?



More to come...

tintingz: @paris-love. . .you sure know that Bassam zawadi will reply to Ali sina a.k.a scammer link to the rebuttal to Ali Sinner LIES by Bassam(part 2)
Ali is a real LIAR that Bassam said "Ali Sina said that when the hadith said that those men from the Banu Mustalaq were armed and fought is a lie and that they were unarmed. Where on earth is your evidence Ali? Do you call this a rebuttal? Seriously, are you kidding me? You accept the part of the hadith that supports your argument but reject the parts that don't? Is this logical and fair debating? What kind of debating skills and arguments are you giving? If you accept a source you either accept all of it or reject all of it. If you want to accept parts of it then you must have some evidence for doing so. Your personal and biased opinions carry no weight."

Lol, like there's where the discussion ended? You put the first one i showed you the rebuttal now you put up this one again like there was none? The debate even had part 5 so it didn't end there. Click it again

And to YAHWEH terror can you explain this scripture
"Whosoever would not seek the lord GOD of isreal should be put to death whether small or great whether man or woman(2 chronicles 15:13)"

This was no order from God to kill anybody. This was a decision from a king who thinks anybody that doesn't believe him is against God. It was no directive from God. Then again am Christian, and my faith revolves according to the teachings of Jesus Christ in the NT

if you can't accept that Mohammed(SAW) fought for deffense just the way you said the isrealite did, then jehovah must be a terror god. . .

You muslims claim quran is the eternal words of allah. Until everybody converts or pay extortion fee jizya the war on non muslims continues. Yea it's there's no compulsion in religion huh? Convert or pay jizya or get killed. That's a lot of choices.

and am not buying the parable thing you used to defend Jesus killing words in the bible.

Am not forcing you to as i can see you're intellectually dishonest.

tintingz: Lol. . .you still dey post stu.pid and scam links. . .for start before i give more rebuttals visit the Counter Rebuttal to Ali Sina by Bassam Zawdi and see the rebuttals to that FRAUD Ali sina(just a tip). . .i don't have the time posting rebuttals and don't let me

No needs for name calling. Here's the counter rebuttal to that link you posted.(Just a tip)

. . .secondly secondly who was given orders to kill, go to war and keep virgins, is'nt YAHWEH?? Don't make me post his terror even Jesus said "kill those who doesn't want me to reign over them" maybe he was joking then

Nobody is asked anyone to go to war. Israelites just wanted to pass into their land and other countries won't let them be. Secondly that Jesus quote was a parable. We all know those that scream you quote 'out of context' yet you can't help yourself from doing the same. Hmm like someone will say...


Epic fail

Lol, the children of Israel went to makka to do what?

Kabba is house for Idols. Idols Muhammad father and Muhammad himself worshiped.

That's the ugly truth.

tintingz: Lol. . .Ali sina the scammer was only picking the Quran verse and hadith that support his scam work(quoting out of context) cant you read his scam article yourself. . .i can give you many links of rebuttals of muslim scholars to Ali sina. . .

Oh really? You know he accused Muhammad of many things like been

a narcissist a misogynist a ràpist a lecher a torturer a mass murderer and many other things you can find in His CHALLENGE

If you've the links to the rebuttals of them do show me.

i guess he never read the bible cuz i can start posting YAHWEH terror in this thread including Jesus curses and hatred to the jews. . .and don't forget Jesus support lashes with rod in the bible and you need some

There's no terror in the bible. What we've is historical records of events on how the Children of Israel lived. There's no verse in the NT asking a Christian to commit terror on the basis of difference in faith

Shalom

kemoolala: I gbadun u jare 1million kudos for u. LMAO

Lol, thanks sis. Let's keep the light shinin'.

tintingz: For Ali sina he as been a scammer since. . .the OP failed SMH

you really expect us to take your word for it? Can you prove from his testimony that he's a scammer? Or is the Qurann and authentic hadiths he quoted scams?

Sweetnecta: @paris love: i am shocked that your christianity havent taught you that when 2 people disagree, you try to bring peace between them.

what's wrong with enjoying discussion between two matured minds? Am sure Kem can more than take care of herself i can't say the same thing for you

thats what Islam teaches and you can see the example of it by the advise of a muslim tell another to lay off the christian.

Of course the other muslim is afraid Kem might make ghazzal start to question some things which is haram in islam! Surah5:101

kemooolala is just throwing her weight because i will not become a worshiper of man like her. she does not know that i am inviting her and you too to what is good.

Tell me, can you separate Muhammad from Allah?
Here are a few passages where he exhorted his followers to worship him.
*. Truly, Allâh and His angels send praise and blessings [forever] upon the Prophet. O you who believe! Praise and bless the Prophet with utmost laud and blessing. (Q.33:56)
*. And you (stand) on an exalted standard of character. (Q.68:4)
*. You [Muhammad] are a lamp with spreading light. (Q.33:46)
*. You of Faith, say not (to the Prophet) words of ambiguous import like ‘Listen to us,’ but words of respect; and obey (him): To those who don’t submitthere is a grievous punishment. (Q. 2:104)
*. He who obeys the Messenger obeys Allah. (Q. 4:80)
*. He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell. (Q. 4:114)
*. You [Muhammad] may have whomever you desire; there is no blame. (Q. 33:51)
*. Allah gives his Messenger Lordship and Power over whomever He wills. (Q.59:6)
*. Blessed is He who holds the reins of Kingship. (Q. 67:1)
*. You [Muhammad] are an exalted character of tremendous morality. Soon you will see, and they will see, which of you is afflicted with madness. (Q. 68:4)
*. Verily this is the Word (brought by) a most honorable Messenger imbued with power, the Lord of the Throne, Mighty, One to be obeyed. (Q. 81:19)
The most egregious claim, in my opinion, is the claim that God promised him to forgive all his future sins. “ Lo! We have given thee (O Muhammad) a clear victory. That Allâh may forgive thee of thy sin that which is past and that which is to come .” (Q.48:1-2)
Maybe that is why he lived such a despicable life. There is hardly any crime he didn’t commit. Was he under the delusion that his future sins will be forgiven and that he won’t have to respond for them? Can possibly a sane god make such an offer to anyone?
Can one worship God without Muhammad? Not according to Muhammad. So he made himself an indispensable partner with God. Islam is shirk, it is Muhammadism. The submission is to Muhammad, not to God.

Jesus invited to what i am inviting you to:

To muhammadism? I humbly decline

God is 1 and ONLY He can do all things He Wills.
Worship God and not the creation, eg son of man: Jesus worshiped God all night long while other slept at the Gethsemane.

John5:23 that all may honor the Son, just as they
honor the Father. Whoever does not honor
the Son does not honor the Father who sent
him.

There shall be one that will come after me who shall put every in order in complete process and no one else will come after him. we know no one came except Muhammad [sa] in the manner of worship and obedience to God as Jesus and previous prophets [as] did.

Jesus promised the holy spirit not some self declared Prophet that married a 9 year old girl.

Sweetnecta: ^^^ what happened when people just began to settle there? was the first settler a pagan, too, mr. paris love?

what was the name of that person; woman or man, baby or grown? was that person a pagan is really a way for you to know when paganism entered makka. before paganism, what was the religion in Makka?

idol worshiping

BetaThings: Salaam, brother
May Allah reward your efforts and intentions
However, I would like to remind you that we are not to sit with (and discuss with) those who mock Allah and His Messenger (SAW)
I am not saying that you should not educate people, but those who insult Allah and His Messenger (SAW) should not be paid attention
From the temperament and language employed here, there is clearly no desire for education and decent discourse

"You will surely be tested in your possessions and in yourselves. And you will surely hear from those who were given the Scripture before you and from those who associate others with Allah much abuse. But if you are patient and fear Allah - indeed, that is of the matters [worthy] of determination." Qur'an 3 : 186

May Allah guide us

Hey what kind of advise is this? Instead of advising her/him that s/he is wrong and that Mo was one rich man, you're here taking cheap shot at those who are willing to discuss. This discussion is not for the faint hearted, now get out of this thread and don't let the door hit you on the åss on your way out.

Let me go and make a list. Be right back!

"I have often wonder why one moderator would let threads criticizing another moderator, and yet would not even tolerate such if done to him." Why has Mac allowed this thread that criticize fellow moderator Jesoul??



Some peeps don't just see their hypocrisy even when it's glaring at them.



Peace

berem: it disgusts me when I have to scroll up and down just to avoid those idiaaats who like to quote a lengthy topic! It irritates me I tell ya especially when using a phone.

Hmm, i can imagine, especially when they something with little or no meaning. But you enjoyed garri association guys, you should do the same to 'quoters' association.

frosbela: ummhh....

Are you Frosbel's wife?

Lol, kem and sweet....just enjoying you 2..lmao

berem: All these QUOTERS ASSOCIATION OF NAIRALAND should better take their time! I think its high time they started banning anyone that quotes lengthy topics without making useful comments! Smh

[color=orange]Am so tired of all these 'quoters'
And to think that someone actually 'liked' that post, it means we still have a long way to go NL [/color]

ghazzal: you see your delima, you are not even aware that there was a debate on his death among early followers of christ and that todays christians have only taken the position of some "claimed followers of christ"

but call it what you like, Jesus delivered his message, they wanted to kill him and God did his wonder. Do you think God owes anyone an explanation. the important thing is the message "the lord our God is one" and only him deserves worship............


it is different from your claim "God decided to save some people with Jesus` death" after many decades. haba!

Lol, so you can talk like this and yet you had nothing to say after i debunked your fantasy Muhammad.

Yea that's right, the Muhammad you envisioned earlier, exists only in your imagination. Mo wasn't a good guy. Funny you also called it blackmail

That's how the jews and Isa's followers were blackmailed into thinking Isa was crucified

@sweetnecta try and be coherent please. Such a long post with little or no meaning. Simplicity is a virtue.

Cheers

ghazzal: whatever your Question is, Google it for answers. he did a load of good things.

Lol, if he did lots of good no need for me to google. You would even know them by heart. Maybe you tried google and found out he did little or no good. Your failure to Point out one tells me he wasn't a nice man.

may i ask you how rich he was before his death? YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT KNOW MUHAMMED(SAW)

aha, who told you he wasn't rich?
Can a poor man maintain more than 15wives and sex slaves?

Muhammad was a pauper when he married to Khadijah who was a wealthy woman. As soon as he married his “sugar mommy” he stopped working and left Khadijah to take care of his 6 children in addition to her other 3 children from her previous marriages. He himself spent his time in caves, secluded from the society, engulfed in his psychotic reveries. When Khadijah died, Muhammad was again a pauper to the extent that when he arrived in
Medina the Ansar and the Jews used to send him dates so he does not sleep hungry. Ten years later, he was the absolute potentate of the entire
Arabia .

Where from he accumulated this much riches and slaves? Did he work? He became the wealthiest man through looting. Not only he kept 20% of all the spoils of war for himself, when some tribes surrendered without a fight, for example the Bani Nadir or the Bani Quraiza,

Muhammad kept everything to himself because, as he argued, Muslims did not fight in those wars. The crooked man did not take into consideration that even though his benighted followers did not fight, the reason these tribes surrendered was because they feared the savagery of Muslims.

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 19, #2961:
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
Malik ibn Aws al-Hadthan said: One of the arguments put forward by Umar
was that he said that the Apostle received three things exclusively to himself: Banu an-Nadir, Khaybar and Fadak. The Banu an-Nadir property was kept wholly for his emergent needs, Fadak for travelers, and Khaybar was divided by the Apostle into threesections
: two for Muslims, and one as a contribution for his family. If anything remained after making the contribution of his family, he divided it among the poor Emigrants

Each of these towns had thousands of inhabitants and they were the most affluent cities of Arabia. The wealth of tens of thousands of people fell entirely into Muhammad's hands. Can you say that he was a poor man living an austere life? He had several houses.
Surah 33.53
"O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses ,- until leave is given you,"

How can a man with several houses be poor? He hadalso many slaves. Muhammad was so captivated by the beauty of a woman that he gave up seven slaves for her!

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 19, #2991:
Anas said: "A beautiful slave girl fell to Dihyah. The apostle purchased her for seven slaves. He then gave her to Umm Sulaim for decoration her and preparing her for marriage."

How can a poor man have all that? Don't mind anyone that's brain washing you, they're all liars

was Moses evil, Jesus, John the Baptist......... it seems what you say is that all messengers that are attacked are evil....... God guide you aright

Where did i imply that? It seems you've missed all the threads created comparing Muhammad and Jesus!

Amazing huh

ghazzal: its the TRUTH. YOU AUGHT TO HAVE KNOWN THAT BY NOW thanks to N/L

note that the Hadith is as good as your bible. You have to look very well, carefully to be sure of the truth..... also, is it not ironic that Christians attack Muhammed not his message while Muslims, Jesus` message not Jesus.

It makes sense to attack Muhammad more than his message even though i think his message is as vile as he was. Any bad person can say good things while he does evil himself. I wonder what's wrong with the message of Jesus that you muslims attack.
By the way I've been asking you a question and you've been dodging it since. Can you show me one good/kind act of muhammad? Not what he said but did.

Do you remember from biblical history where some pple are so scared of the message that they attack the messenger......... now its making sense

Yep evil message and messenger are attacked. Quite natural

Ali seems to be a journalist (aha!) anyways if thats all you know of Ali, it tells what kind of person you are. also, have you asked yourselve why i should trust Ali? or you think i should be as gulible as you have shown

He's not a journalist, i just gave the address i felt you could reach him with, that's not his own. Doesn't matter if i trust Ali or not, what he said had lots of reason which you've no answer to, hence you choose to vilify his character. Cheers

That's quite sad. 15 in total?

Ramcie: May Allah grant them Al-Janah Firdaus (Amin).

What will they get there? Both the males and females?

If you can't answer the question, get out of this thread and stay very far away from it!

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