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abubello: @paris -love What is the source of this malicious fairytale? Can you quote a recognized Islamic source for this fictionsure maclatunji: You really need to stop copying and pasting from antiIslamic websites. You haven't learnt that you cannot properly learn Capitalism from Fidel Castro.Like really? You make it sound like it everything anti is bad. Well it's not, we've anti-racism, anti-terrorism, anti-nazi, anti-sexism even anti-virus etc and they all in the side of good. So whether been anti-islam is on the side of good or not is something we shall see. Let's embrace diverse opinion ![]() Lagoshia copied pro islamic site, i returned the favor why are you complaining? Find out how Maryam got into the Prophet's (SAW) household and his rights upon her according to Islam. This will tell you, your story is laughable.Yea, i already learned she was a gift from the ruler of egypt and she was a slave girl. Muhammad had a fling with her when it was hafsa's turn and that what caused this whole scandal. |
Who and what made him think that thing he met in the cave was angel Gabriel as it never introduced itself? |
ne-day Muhammad goes to Hafsa's house and upon setting gaze at her maid Mariyah, he finds her attractive and decides to get laid. He sends Hafsa to Omar's house, telling her that her father wanted to see her (a lie). When Hafsa leaves, Muhammad takes Mariyah to bed and has intercourse with her. Meanwhile Hafsa, who finds out that her father was not expecting her, returns home much sooner than expected, and to her surprise finds her illustrious husband in bed with her maid. She becomes hysteric and forgetting the station of the prophet she shouts and causes a scandal. The prophet pleads with her to calm down and promises not to sleep with Mariah again and bades her also not to divulge that secret to others. Hafsa would not control herself and relays everything to Ayisha who also turns against the prophet and jointly with his other wives cause him much anguish. So the prophet decides to punish all of them by not sleeping with them for one month. Depriving one's wives sexually is the second step of punishment recommended in the Quran. The firststep is admonishing them, the second step is depriving them of sex and the third step is beating them. Q.4:34 . Of course when a Muslim man decides to punish a wife through sexual deprivation he still can satisfy his sexual urges with his other wives. However Muhammad was angry with all of his wives for having ganged up against him and on the spur of the moment he made the oath not to sleep with anyof them for one month. That of course would have been too much hardship for the beloved messengerof God. Therefore God in his mercy comes to the aid of his prophet and reveals the Surah Tahrim (Banning). In this Surah Allah gently rebukes Muhammad for being so hard on himself and for depriving himself from what he really likes and has been made lawful to him, in order to please his wives. Surat At-Taĥrīm 66:1 O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 2.)Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and Allah is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom. 66:3 When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another), and Allah made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, "Who told thee this? "He said, "He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things)." 66:4 If ye two (wives) turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back upeach other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among thosewho believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up. 66:5 It may be, if he divorced you (all), that Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you,— who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or virgins. Although Muhammad gave his word to Hafsa, not to have sex with her maid, he could not resist the temptation. Especially now that he had taken another oath not to sleep with all of his wives. It wasa difficult situation. On one hand he had to keep up his word or risk losing face and on the other he was not the kind of man that liked to deprive himself of pleasures. A solution had to be found and no one but Allah could help him. Well, nothing is impossiblewhen you are the prophet of Allah. Leave everything in the hands of the Almighty and let himtake care of it. And that is exactly what Muhammad did. Allah himself intervened and gave his favorite prophet the green light to follow his heart's desire. In the Surah Tahrim God licensed his beloved prophet to have his fling and not pay attention to his wives. What can a prophet ask more? Allah was so concerned about Muhammad's carnal pleasures that he even allowed ALL MEN to break their oaths as a bounty. Subhanillah. Isn't Allah great? ![]() It is also worthy of mention that Muhammad who came to know that Hafsa did reveal the secret to Aisha, lied to her by pretending that it was Allah who told him so (verse 3) while he actually learned it from Aisha. In reaction to the above verses, Ayisha, who was notonly young and pretty but also clever, is reported to have said to Muhammad, "Your God indeed rushes in coming to your aid!" Explaining the Surah Tahrim (66) Omar is reported to have said: Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 648: The Prophet did not go to his wives because of the secret which Hafsa had disclosed to 'Aisha, and he said that he would not go to his wives for one monthas he was angry with them when Allah admonished him (for his oath that he would not approach Mariyah). This story must have been embarrassing for Muhammad's followers even when they gobbled mindlessly everything he told them. So they made other hadiths to explain those verses of the Quran that were already explained by Omar. Sahih Muslim Book 009, Number 3496: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrated that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) used to spend time with Zainab daughter of Jahsh and drank honey at her house. She ('A'isha further) said:I and Hafsa agreed that one whom Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) would visit first should say: I notice that you have an odour of the Maghafir (gum of mimosa). He (the Holy Prophet) visited one of them and she said to him like this, whereupon hesaid: I have taken honey in the house of Zainab bint Jabsh and I will never do it again. It was at this (that the following verse was revealed): 'Why do you holdto be forbidden what Allah has made lawful for you...(up to). If you both ('A'isha and Hafsa) turn to Allah" up to:" And when the Holy Prophet confided an information to one of his wives" (lxvi. 3). This refers to his saying: But I have taken honey. Also Sahih Muslim Book 009, Number 3497: The existence of the above Hadith and its differencewith the one narrated by Omar reveals yet another fact that the companions of Muhammad were willingto lie, (as Muslims are today) to preserve the image of their prophet from blemish. It would be foolish to accept the excuse of drinking honey to justify those verses. Honey does not leave a bad smell. It is also inconceivable that a trivial incident like drinking honey could cause such an uproar in the household of the prophet to the extend that he decides to divorce all of his wives or to punish them for one month by not sleeping with them. Could such an insignificant incident like drinking honey provoke somuch hue and cry that the creator of this universe had to intervene with a warning to Muhammad's wives that Muhammad would divorce all of them and He (Allah) would give him virgins and faithful wives? This explanation is absurd unless honey is the code word for something else that the prophet found between the legs of Mariyah. I rest my case ![]() Link |
seyibrown: Thanks, manmustwac! Just had to know. Hopefully, Mukina will be kind enough to shed some light at some point in the future on why the thread had to be binned. We should be allowed to freely say whether we will to allow others to s/e;xu;a;ll*y abuse our children in the name of God without fearing what those who support/condone such abuse because of their religious affiliation think/say/threaten. Anything that cannot stand being examined in the light is darkness!Seconded* You might as well ask the same question Posed on that thread. ![]() At your own peril that is ![]() |
Alright, so which of the above answers should i take? This whole uproar was because Muhammad slept with Hafsa according to Lagoshia or because of some honey according to Vedax? It's quite confusing ![]() |
LagosShia: So who is Marya (ra)? Is she not one of the "mothers of the believers" as well? She was a wife too.unfortunately,Hafsa and Aisha looked down upon her because she was a slave that was gifted to the Prophet (sa).he accepted her and she embraced Islam from christianity.he vowed he would avoid Marya (ra)-to please Hafsa-when his good intentions are triggered by the ill-intentions of Hafsa.he could decide to avoid a wife for a period of time if he so wishes.yet again the verses revealed came down to check the excesses of Aisha and Hafsa.one of the reasons those two were also jealous of Marya (ra) was because she bore the Prophet (sa) a child while they were barren.iIf she was a wife why all this drama? Again On a day assigned to Hafsa, when she was not foundin her apartment as she went to her parent's house,the Holy Prophet spent the night with Marya, the coptic girl, presented to him by the ruler of Egypt, who became the mother of his son, Ibrahim. The tasfir you quoted said nno where that marya was a wife. You're just saying whatever you like to save face. At one Place you say she's a slave, at another you say she's a wife. The Prophet never Payed her dower, she was a slave girl Presented to him by the ruler of Egypt. Why would the Prophet treat another wife unfairly just because others are angry? Did he forget surah4:3 that said deal justly with all your wives? |
LagosShia: I'm sincerely sorry to say but you be serious mumu! Or you think you're trying to be smart?Maybe you didn't read it before copying. On a day assigned to Hafsa, when she was not found in her apartment as she went to her parent's house,the Holy Prophet spent the night with Marya, the coptic girl, presented to him by the ruler of Egypt, who became the mother of his son, Ibrahim. |
Sweetnecta: @paris love; your story is like pierre in the middle. so what lagosshia gave you is not enough? when you take my offer, i will answer you questions, InshaAllah. it will be short and sweet.I don't understand much of what he's saying. I don't know how that answers any of my question. From the little i did, he's saying Muhammad had an extra marital affair? ![]() |
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Sweetnecta: @paris love: for te love of paris does not know what he wants. he earlier said the opposite of what he said here now. they call people like you flip flopper[s]. i will only give you the truth and it will not be your truth, if you are talking about islam.Grow some balls like lagoshia and answer the damn question. Lol, never knew you were this economical with your answers given the fact they're quite lengthy |
maclatunji: OP, you will continue posting until you either grow tired or become a Muslim yourself. You think the Prophet (SAW) wasn't human? Will you create a thread for each topic you read on antiIslamic websites?I don't know what you mean by is the Prophet not human. Isn't he the best man that walk the face of earth? The best example for all mankind to follow? So what are you re you saying? Is you guys that will start accusing someone of learning islam from non muslims. If i wanted to learn about how capitalism works should i go to Fidel Castro? ![]() |
And the satanic verses comes to mind Nice Points you raised. One should never let Satan influence him or her. The result can be devastating.Thanks for sharing ![]() |
Sweetnecta: @paris love: the sermon is speech about truth that you need. how can i give you your answers which will be lying to you? you can ask me by Allah to lie. my offer stands by Allah.[size=28pt]Hahahahahaha is Allah's soldier on the run? Whenever the answers starts to flow it sure promises to be sizzling! [/size] *grabs my pork chips* |
Sweetnecta: @sister fatie: the young woman is 17. you said you are already 18. so you are older by every measure of the world and you are in the university, too.I didn't read anywhere that her parents disowned her or tried honor killing did you? It never occurred to you that she didn't want to be like Shalelia which UK court jailed both muslim parents for life over honor killing of teen daughter for leaving islam. https://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/120523-shafilea-ahmed-3a.photoblog600.jpg |
Hmmm This is a teen-written article from our friends at Youth Communication, a nonprofit organization that helps marginalized youth develop their full potential through reading and writing.beyond all reasonable doubt. Exactly. Who will be with you when you die? Who will save you in the day of judgment?”Hahaha i wonder where she got this answer from. Shouldn't this be categorize as shirk? Just asking though. Obviously she still has a lot to learn Alhamdulillah |
1) What did the Prophet ban for himself that was lawful for him in order to please his wives? |
ghazzal: Pls give ur evidence of endorcement from the bible itself. For confusion, which do I believe of pauls encounter with jesus of the 2 different narations coupled with the fact that he aught not to be trusted in the first place.Have you done the bolded for me? I can count severally threads you've not done the bolded for me. We've never even agreed to disagree for once. Never got there ![]() |
Alright, i believe this thread has served it's purpose, just un-followed it. I'll see you guys whenever the coronation starts So long mates!!!!!! |
LagosShia: ^Lol alright sir! So what happened? |
LagosShia: The warning only has to do with Aisha and Hafsa.the other wives are not concerned.The verse said all. 66:5 It may be, if he divorced you (all), Before you accuse me of quoting wrong translation, i got the verses from http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/066.asp Sweetnecta: @paris love; what will do after the 5 questions are answered?Why all this sermons? I don't need them please and next time you wanna post on this thread let it be my answers i beg you in the name of Allah |
Muhammad according to quran is the best of mankind and also the best example follow. Indeed he did lead by example, like when he married the adopted wife of his son to show it's halal for foster fathers to do the same among many others. In aya 66 Muhammad threatened to divorce all his wives, Surat At-Taĥrīm 66:1 O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 2.)Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and Allah is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom. 66:3 When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another), and Allah made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, "Who told thee this? "He said, "He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things)." 66:4 If ye two (wives) turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up. 66:5 It may be, if he divorced you (all), that Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you,— who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or virgins. 1) What did the Prophet ban for himself that was lawful for him in order to please his wives? 2)What oaths did Muhammad take that Allah ordained dissolution for? 3)What did Muhammad confide in one of his wives which she divulged that caused this whole uproar? 4)Why is Hafsa and Aisha backing each other against Muhammad? 5)What could've caused so much hue and cry that the creator of this universe had to intervene with a warning to Muhammad�s wives that Muhammad would divorce all of them and He (Allah) would give him virgins and faithful wives? |
LagosShia: The above are either deliberate forgeries or deliberate mistranslation as previously proven.for instance,Tahrilol Wasila has no fourth volume,yet you find obscene claims from this so called 4th volume.this is a deliberate fabricated claim non-muslims should be greatly ashamed of.they should also use it to reflect upon their inner selves and their hate for Islam.Yea i read your answer and went to through your links. Your shia chat link didn't say much just talk about bestiality. Here what they said: I would guess this is the actual part they've ripped and mangled out of its context in Tahrir. Again, rough translation: مسألة 22 : مما يوجب حرمة الحيوان المحلل بالاصل أن يطأه الانسان قبلا أو دبرا و إن لم ينزل ، صغيرا كان الواطئ أو كبيرا ، عالما كان أو جاهلا ، مختارا كان أو مكرها ، فحلا كان الموطوء أو أنثى ، فيحرم بذلك لحمه و لحم نسله المتجدد بعد الوطئ على الاقوى فى نسل الانثى و على الاحوط فى نسل الذكر ، و كذا لبنهما و صوفهما و شعرهما ، و الظاهر أن الحكم مختص بالبهيمة و لا يجري فى وطء سائر الحيوانات لا فيها و لا فى نسلها . Issue 22 – Of that which makes a halal origin animal haram is that a human being has sexual intercoursewith it, frontally or in back, even if he does not ejaculate, whether the doer of the sexual act is a minor or a mature person, knowing or ignorant, choosing (to do it) or compelled, whether the (animal ) that is having sexual intercourse done to itis a steed (male) or female, then by that its meat and the meat of it offspring reborn (?) after the intercourse upon the strongest (view) regarding theoffspring of the female and upon the most precautious with regards to the offspring of the male. Likewise is their milk, their wool, and their hair. And what is apparent is that the ruling is specific to the beast (bahima) and does not apply tointercourse with the rest of the animals, not in it and not in its offspring. مسألة 23 : الحيوان الموطوء إن كان مما يراد أكله كالشاة و البقرة و الناقة يجب أن يذبح ثم يحرق و يغرم الواطئ قيمته لمالكه إن كان غير المالك ، و إن كان مما يراد ظهره حملا أو ركوبا و ليس يعتاد أكله كالحمار و البغل و الفرس أخرج من المحل الذي فعل به إلى بلد آخر فيباع فيه ، فيعطى ثمنه للواطئ ، و يغرم قيمته إن كان غير المالك . Issue 23 – The animal which has had sexual intercourse done upon it, if it of (a type) that one wants to eat, like a sheep, and a cow, and a she-camel, then it is wajib to slaughter it then burn it, and the doer of the sexual act is fined its value toits owner if he was not the owner. And if it is of (a type) that one wants to (use) its back to carry (i.e. a beast of burden) or to ride, and its eating is not customary, like the donkey and the mule and the horse, it is taken out of spot in which it was done to another balad (country?) and sold in it. So its price is given for (? Unsure) the doer of the sexual act and he is fined its value if he was not the owner http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234969511-beastiality-halal/ Hahaha this funny ain't it so basically If you shag your neighbor's sheep, all you gotta do is write him a check. Lol Also in the other i found something rather strange, here it is Problem # 7 It is permissible for a person whohas touched the dead to enter the mosques and holyshrines or staying in them, or reading the Quranic Chapters containing Sajdah and if she is a woman, it is permissible to have intercourse with her, so that touching the dead is like the Minor Pollution (urination, etc.), except that touching the dead makes it obligatory to perform the ritual bath for offering the prayers or the like. http://www.al-shia.org/html/eng/books/fiqh&usool/islamic-laws/tahrir/07.html#link7Problem Correct me if am wrong is the imam saying it's ok to have sêx with a dead woman? Wow. |
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, wrote extensively on Islamic Jurisprudence. A two-volume book, which was published originally in Arabic, was called ‘Tahrir al Wasilah’. Translated into Farsi, the book is called “Tahrirolvasyleh.” (read entire text here.) Khomeini also had another treatise on Islamic rules for living, called in English, “The Little Green Book.” (see entire text here.) It is useful to understand what an esteemed Islamic leader such as the Ayatollah teaches his followers. Here are some excerpts from “Tahrirolvasyleh” which Muslims probably don’t want you to know about Islam: A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990] A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm.He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable. If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milkmay no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned. Wine and all intoxicating beverages are impure, but opium and hashish are not. If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid. During sexual intercourse, if the penis enters a woman’s vagina or a man’s anus, fully or only as far as the circumcision ring, both partners become impure, even if they have not reached puberty; they must consequently perform ablutions. A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfilment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so. A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to bepaid damages if she is repudiated. It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her. ["The Little Green Book"] Paedophilia legal in Iran In June, 2002 Iranian authorities approved a law raising the age at which girls can marry without parental consent from 9 to 13. The elected legislature actually passed the bill in 2000, but the “Guardian Council”, a 12-man body of conservative clerics, vetoed it as contradicting Islamic Sharia law. Iran’s clericalestablishment insists that the marriage of young girls is a means to combat immorality. The Expediency Council, which arbitrates between the elected parliament and the theocratic Guardian Council, timidly passed the measure. The law however does not change the age at which children can get married (nine for girls and 14 for boys), but says that girls below the age of 13 and boys younger than 15 need their parents’ permission and the approval of a “Righteous Court.” Reformists state that the new law does not protect children, since most of those who marry at such a young age do so by force. A religious decree by Khomeini ordered that girl prisoners who are virgins must be raped before execution, to prevent them from entering heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution. The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl’s family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift. It is quite common in Iran for older men to marry children, as long as they pay the appropriate bride-price to the girl’s family. This basically means that a father can sell his daughter to whomever he wants, whilst the mad mullahs see this as a means of maintaining purity. We prefer to call this child prostitution and rape, especially given that Iran’s clerics approve of the ‘tradition’ of ‘temporary marriage’ (Mut’a) , which can last less than 24 hours and may be repeated as many times as desired. This form of exploitation is widespread and legitimises sexwith young children. The man may even visit his temporary wife every weekend at her father’s house, for about $10 per visit. Khomeini on prostitution and Mut’a (temporary marriage) “It is permissible to do Mut’a with an adulteress, but with aversion, particularly if she is a well-known prostitute. If Mut’a is done with her, she should be told to give-up her profession.” |
What the hell are you talking about? Am not catholic |
okeyxyz: If you are going to judge people of the "stone-age", then you MUST put yourself in the same "stone-age" as them, the same culture, same values, and only on these basis must you judge them. No more, no less. Any other standard would be either dishonest or unintelligent. Do not forget that everybody, whether muslim, christian, jew or pagan were all marrying "children" in this era.I agree that morality is relative and we should not judge the ancient people’s morality with our modern morality. But, if sleeping with a nine year old child was not deemed bad and therefore was not considered immoral, was it ok? Muslims are advised to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet. You say that the Prophet was a 'stone age' man following the traditions of his culture, the very ones he called ignorant,so what he did was right in that context. But by following him now aren’t we perpetuating those unfit and outdated customs of ancient times? Pedophilia is only one of the gifts of Islam to humanity, take for example in Iran, Shortly after Ayatollah Khomeini’s revolution, he lowered the marriage age for girls from eighteen years old down to nine years old. Why would these devout Muslims do such a thing? Did they stray from original Islamic ideals? Then again, who decides when somebody is classified a child or an adult? Is there a divine hand-down from some supreme entity that we must conform to? Societies simply make these laws and follow them. The western cultures have decreed that adulthood starts at 18, another culture will tell you that once a girls starts to menstruate, then she's become an adult and many of our villages still follow this tenet.You don't need any 'hand-down' to know that a 9yr old is still a child unless you're mòron which of course you're not. Mentruation does not indicate adulthood. Menarche can start as early as 8yrs old, so it would be downright evil to say that a 8yr old girl is an adult and ready for marriage.. To illustrate how dangerous this practice is, consider the reality of fistula, a disease which is very common among young girls EVEN if they have begun menstruation. Western law doesn't necessary mean that adulthood starts at 18. It would be foolish to think that at 17 years 354 days a person is a child. The laws were put in place to stop perverts from legally molesting children. It's rather surprising you can't seem to define who a child is. Is a 9yr old an adult? Personally am a firm believer of the 18 year rule, but anybody who labels another a "pe.dophile" just because he's not conforming to western values is either dishonest or unintelligent.This has nothing to do with western values, marrying a child in those time is unethical then at is now. According to Dictionary.com Pedophilia is : : The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sëxual activity with a child or children. As for the bold that hypocrisy must stop. You either believe that what Muhammad did is right and the world should follow him now and for ever, or stop calling him a good example for mankind to follow. |
cyrexx: what these muslims dont know is that their religion is a blatant defamation to humanity. |
tintingz: Lol. . .can you explain why the Jews(yahweh chosen people) intimate with 3yr old females?? Or why Yehweh impregnate 12yr old virgin Mary??Are your proofs are? |
okeyxyz: good question. Most nairalanders simply come on here to make arguments without context and validity. When did 18 years become the definition of adulthood? How do you assume to judge events of thousands of years ago by the standards of today? It clearly shows their inability to organize intelligent thought, let alone doing a proper critique of society, culture and morality. A lot of people who come here to cry "pedophilia!!" seem to have developed a sudden amnesia, forgetting that a lot of our mothers were married at about 10-13 years(not that they were having se.x then, but they were married or betrothed) old back in the villages. Now that we are priviledged to have an education, we suddenly assume that generations before should think like us and therefore be subject to our judgments and values which we ourselves have only recently adopted, not that we were raised up by them.Are you saying men you should go back to stone age so as to be in sync with their culture or something? Is marrying off a girl at 9 or 10 be continued if not why not? |



Nice Points you raised. One should never let Satan influence him or her. The result can be devastating.