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HellVictorinho:
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Everything refers to a group of things such as a group of pencils

A group of stones

What Google calls the 'totality of existence' is just another thing


There's actually no limit to what exists


Someone called otem once confessed to be assuming there's a limit to what exists


I am not assuming

I am telling you that either there's no limit to what exists or there's never anything that exists


The former is true


Or don't you exist as whatever/whoever you are?!??

Is this not a fallacy of equivocation?

budaatum:
I'm afraid I have far more important books to read. I just got Wole Soyinka's new book. I kind of feel I might learn a lot more from that. Remember I said I've tried it before and dumped it. It is required read for some though. Note. I am recommending it.

Then you cannot deliberate my beliefs if you don't understand the nitty gritty of my belief.
It's very hard that I gave you the whole answers but you still ask me questions because you don't care the read it.

HellVictorinho:
You are still repeating Bla Bla Bla

How did you know I know what you mean by everything



Are you in my head?

what's your won definition for everything?

budaatum:
All I can say is claiming to know what happened 13.8 billion years ago sounds so "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", to me.

Pasta. You might consider that I am much less knowledgeable than you and forgive me in my unknowings.

You will get it if you read the gospel I shared with you.
Please read it. Summon the courage, this debate is unnecessary if you can read the book

HellVictorinho:
Repetition doesn't specify

Everything is quite specific unless for those who want to be tricky.

HellVictorinho:
Everything doesn't mean anything specific

Everything means everything specifically

HellVictorinho:
You are just repeating yourself


You are going round a circle

Answer the question and stop wasting my time

You are the person pretending not to know the meaning of everything by making a "loaded question" fallacy

HellVictorinho:
What is everything I know and don't know

for example, you don't know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything

HellVictorinho:
What is everything??

Everthing you know and don't know

budaatum:
Sir! We are not debating the agreed upon predictability of science here! If science lacked predictability man would never have landed on the moon or sent Juno Probe to Jupiter!

What is in contention here is the ability of scientists to "know what happened 13.8billion years" ago, a claim that I have personally never heard made! Even the "13.8 billion years ago" itself is an estimate at best, as in, as close as we scientist have been able to determine with the tools available to us.

I have given you clear analogy as to why your argument is fallacious. Go back and read the dead tree analogy.

And who says science cannot tell what happened 13.8billion years ago when all the indices and markers are available to extrapolate that?
It's like assuming that science cannot know what happened during Ordovician-silurian Extinction: 440 million years ago when the all markers are available in form of fossil records.

HellVictorinho:
There's no such thing as all I know and don't know

You don't know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything.
Do you?

A001:
Lols. Please go ahead

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HellVictorinho:
What is everything??

Like all you know and don’t know

budaatum:
I have absolutely no interest in your beliefs, Pasta. I have more interest in your understanding, and not so much to disprove it, but in order to understand you.

You have chosen not to read, if you had read the book I shared concisely, you would have gotten my point. But here you are arguing because you Judged that book by its cover.

If you must get my point, buy a soft drink and read that book I shared with you. It’s important to read, very important

budaatum:
I so love my science, Pasta, quite a lot you would find, and I sure as hell separate it from religion or Quantum Leap, but science does not claim to know what happened 13.8billion years ago, nor can science accurately predict most things. I mean, neither scientists not priests predicted this current future of Covid now, did they.

Well, here is another fallacy called the fallacy of composition.
Fallacy of composition is a type of logical fallacy, meaning a flaw in reasoning that weakens an argument or a trick of thought used as a debate tactic. It occurs when the properties of a whole and its parts are mistakenly thought to be transferable from one to the other.

Because scientists didn’t predict covid19 is not a valid argument against the predictability power of science. It’s simply a case of cherry picking a particular incident then transferring it to others while deliberately ignoring the many accurate predictions.

budaatum:
I did not know it was a belief of yours. I thought and in fact read you claim it was a "fact".

You do not have to provide for me any evidence for what you create in your head and believe. Note.

I am not saying that I am necessarily correct, but it’s my belief and and long as you cannot disprove it, we can’t overrule it.

budaatum:
To be honest with you, I don't think anything created the universe, or at least no one put forward sounds credible to me.

As I said, 13.8billion years is far too long ago for me to ignorantly 'think' anything credible about the start of the universe and I refuse to be that ignorant.

Don't forget to provide the evidence I asked for please.

The fact that you think we can’t know what happened 13.8billion years speaks volume about your person. That thought is grossly fallacious.
Science has given us the power to travel back in time and also accurately predict the future.

The idea that we can’t know what happened 13.8billion years ago because we don’t know everything that happened 10,000years ago is a fallacy and a flawed logic.

I will give you an example, if you look at a tree that just died yesterday, take a radiometric dating and it says the true is 3,000 years old. Because you don’t know how the tree died yesterday doesn’t mean that your radiometric result isn’t correct about what happened to the tree 3,000years ago

HellVictorinho:
How is that related to what I was saying?

because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is in charge of everything.

budaatum:
To be honest with you, I don't think anything created the universe, or at least no one put forward sounds credible to me.

As I said, 13.8billion years is far too long ago for me to ignorantly 'think' anything credible about the start of the universe and I refuse to be that ignorant.

Don't forget to provide the evidence I asked for please.

Why must I provide evidence for my belief?
Why can’t you just disprove my belief?

HellVictorinho:
Your conclusion was not related to what I said the other time

My conclusion is that Flying Spaghetti Monster created all

Dangerousboy:
well to you it is but to me it is LIFE. That's why we call it The CHRISTIAN LIFE
And what kind of a Christian are you?
You can't serve God and pasta at the same time

Flying Spaghetti Monster is the only true God

HellVictorinho:
You are wrong

How am I wrong?

HellVictorinho:
We shouldn't ask who created the universe


There's no way living things or things that can create non-abstract things existed before the universe since living things are things that don't precede the universe

We should be asking what became the universe_it has to be something else


It's impossible for no thing with a specific form to exist because no thing can exist in the absence something else alongside it

If it is possible for nothing literally to exist
Then it is impossible for anything to exist


Nothing cannot be true except anything is false

There has to be ageless indivisible particles or objects with specific forms in order for aging divisible particles or objects with specific forms to exist


If a scientist accidentally discovers any particle/object
Then he or she should consider it as what is either indivisible or not


Both the ageless indivisible objects and the aging divisible particles or objects have to be true or real in order for either to exist

No assumptions

There's no limit to what exists


Someone called otem once assumed that there's a limit/a beginning to what exists

Then he claimed to know


Such confusion is unnecessary


He will deny

His defenders will deny

They will call you names for opposing his claims

Triplechoice can testify

All still boils down to the Flying Spaghetti Monster creating the universe.

budaatum:
I am not making any claim because I do not know if the universe started or if it has always been. I am simply asking for evidence of your 13.8billion years pasta claim so I can assess the data myself instead of having to ignorantly believe or not.

Please know that I have made no claim about the beginning of the universe except to state my doubts.

Well, the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and its my theory unless someone can prove it otherwise.
I don't have to be necessarily right but no one knows unless I am proven otherwise.

budaatum:
Did I claim to have any evidence either way? Is evidence not exactly what I am begging you for?

You claim that the universe could have started from nothing. We are equally making claims.
You simply provide evidence for why the universe could start from nothing, let's see how that refutes my claim.

budaatum:
To be honest with you, I don't think anything created the universe, or at least no one put forward sounds credible to me.

As I said, 13.8billion years is far too long ago for me to ignorantly 'think' anything credible about the start of the universe and I refuse to be that ignorant.

Don't forget to provide the evidence I asked for please.

Do you have evidence that nothing created the universe?

paskal16:
Wahala for who still dey use iPhone 6

Why do Nigerians find it difficult to read stuffs properly?

iPhone 6 can update to IOS 12. It will still work if you update your software

budaatum:
This is a problem with you humans. You struggle to accurately describe what happened just 10000 years ago but you expect buda to believe anything you have to say about 13.8billiom years. I mean, do I really seem that gullible? If so, someone please sell me antigullible cream. I'm willing to go up to ₦100k.

Why do you think the universe "couldn't have started on its own", pasta?

And what makes you think that the Flying Spaghetti Monster didn’t create the universe?

budaatum:
Forgive me. I was very ignorant that "Spaghetti monster is more than 13.8billion years old, fact".

Could you provide factual evidence please, so I don't need to merely believe you but can know for myself.

Well, If scientist say that the universe is 13.8billiom years old according to various extrapolation from the CMB and redshift of the expanding universe, who do you think made those? It couldn’t have started on his own, this explanation is more plausible than any other from other religions who claim the universe is less than 10,000year old.

There’s has to be a cause for the universe and the evidence we have says that cause has to be older than 13.8billion years and only The Flying Spaghetti Monster fits that description. If you think otherwise then you may have to disprove it.

budaatum:
Thanks for this. I got this far:



That last sentence is nonsense. The paragraphs starts with "if", thereby asking me to not use my brain; then he tries to convince me I am blind with "invisible, remember, and is undetectable", and tells me to "guess" while crap is cooked in my head; and he then concludes "we may never know", when I knew it was crap all along, and he likely does too since his work is a parody, as in, 'an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect'.

I think it would be a good read again - yes I've gotten much further in the past" - but I likely would not have the time I fear. A must read though. Lol. As is the Bible and Quran, not for belief however, but for anyone wanting to understand Nigeria and Nigerians.

Flying Spaghetti Monster is not a parody.
The Spaghetti monster is more than 13.8billion years old, we just happened to discover this truth in 2005.

Righteousness2:
Wow! Reminds me of the Scripture where JESUS said, if Humans will not Praise HIM, the stones will cry out.

In a World filled with Evil, Wickedness, Hate ,tribalism and all kinds of evil inventions and intentions , the water creatures are Passing a Message that we need Love.

The Greatest Love is that JESUS gave HIS Life that we might be Saved from Destruction and Hell.
Do not let this Love be in vain.
Come to JESUS Now that you can. The next Moment is not Guaranteed

lol