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Oasis007:
Varane has not kicked Ball for us yet bro.

If Messi signed for United, he wouldn't be in a contention for a combined City vs United 11 because he has not kicked a ball yet or the balls in England are bigger? Lol...

Oasis007

Pick your starting back 4 from the lot and second choice back 4.

Walker, Cancelo, AWB, Dalot, Varane, Stones, Lindelof, Maguire, Dias, Ake, Bailly, Shaw, Telles, Zichenko and Mendy...

When you are done, we go into midfield and then attack...

KingAlabi:
Let's talk about last season now, abi na Pogba 4 assists in one match dey carry you go cloud 9?

Why last season, why not 3 seasons back?

Oasis007:
I give it to Man City of course.

Stones is better than Varane?

lekkie073:
I am hungry, I know I need food. Patrickmuf saw me looking forlorn. and told me I needed to eat. If I eventually eat, is it because patrickmuf told me to eat?

The board understands the club's needs more than you and I do. That they take decisions that are in line with the yearnings of the fans doesn't mean the fans actually influenced such decisions. I don't think so sir. Ole knows his job more than all of you ranting here

Ok

Oasis007:


Disappear ke? Most of you argued our Defence are on par, even slightly better than Man City Defence rn, same as Attack.

Na Lie?

Let's tackle each position...

LB, I concede they are better with Walker and Cancelo...

What's your take on RCB?

lekkie073:
see how matured people discuss people and events that they cannot change. Clearly digest how nezzar spoke of Jose and how I gave my opinion about jose

But the same Fred is not good enough now...Anyway, have a great day.

KingAlabi:
There is a reason I didn't put in gundogan, Grealish is not a like for like replacement for KDB, neither is foden.
But they will do better or same than Pogba in that position.

Let me see how many assist and goals they'll each record even with Pogba playing slightly deeper or most times as the LCM...

Oasis007:


It's cool to know all our Players are on par with Man City Players at the moment. We can match them in every position, even on the Bench.

Rashford that was called names as Trashford is now a world player? Martial that some us labeled Ice Cold Cúnt suddenly becomes a world player now? Our famous Dablord finally earned his Respect on this Board.

DDG that was condemned and rated below Henderson is now better again.... oh he was never a bad GK.

AWB that was tagged the weakling in defence. Poor attacking-wise now absolutely better than Walker and Cancelo?!

Lindelöf also earned his Respect finally he's damn better than Diaz, Laporte and Stones. Fred edges Rodri, Matic edges Fernandinho, DVB better than Gundogan and KDB is never a world Class Player.

Mahrez, Sterling, Silva are no better wingers than James, Rashford, Greenwood. Lastly Amad is better than Foden, while Williams is better than Zinchenko.

I wanted OGS out as well, but we should try to argue neutrally and objectively. Let's put aside, OleIn and OleOut ish for now and argue with Reality.

If I ask you to show me where anyone claimed AWB is better than Walker you'll disappear like the fart of a leprous witch...

A lot of what you wrote is concocted in your head and not what was said here...

lekkie073:
Patrickmuf

this was me early in the season of 2018/2019 before Ole was appointed

Do you think the protest of fans affected how we went about signing Varane and Sancho?

It's funny that you think the opinions of fans don't count...Nairaland is a microcosm of the bigger picture...

KingAlabi:
Na wa Sha

How many times has pogba played as an AM in his career and how good was he there when he played?

As a player pogba is better but as an AM grealish edges him and foden isn't even far or even level sef.

When Gundogan plays as an AM, does he play exactly like KDB or offer the same threat like KDB? It must not be like for like replacement, in the absence of Bruno, Ole has to find a way to get us going and we have the players with the requisite quality to get going...

KingAlabi:
If you put pogba in Bruno's position

Assuming

Rashford martial/cavani Sancho

McFred in midfield

Apart from Sancho majorly what's the difference in the players around him?

Secondly how has pogba faired on a personal level as an AM in the past?

Are you saying Pogba hasn't improved his game or players like Rashford, Cavani Sancho don't present a better proposition compared to what he had around him before? Is Rashford not better than he was 3 years back?

lekkie073:
kindly do what you feel is expedient.
It is one thing to criticize a manager once in a while, it is another thing to sit all day criticizing a manager like a cry baby.
I have been here longer than you, but I don't sit all day yapping on what I have little or no control over.

I was having an argument with folks who are matured enough to know we can disagree whilst still wanting the best for the team...Others have been sharing their opinions. If mine doesn't sit well with you, kindly ignore, it isn't that difficult a thing to do...

KingAlabi:
We no get talk again abeg, you are clearly bias

When has pogba been consistent or successful over 3 games in the AM position?

What has Foden or Grealish done as AMs to compare them to Pogba?

LMDyaya:
nobody said world class ,and i actually meant replacing.

dalot ,lingard,james,mata, are not starters at mancity not even worth a place in the second eleven, thats 4 already , and we could all agree we need new dm.

Thats is if we want quality.

Mendy and Ake are worse than Dalot but they plays for City...

Nobody is considering Mata and Lingard sef. But you see James? He is the equivalent of Delap in City, they are hardly ever part of the conversation unless in a case of an injury crisis or a dead rubber game...

KingAlabi:
We no get talk again abeg, you are clearly bias

When has pogba been consistent or successful over 3 games in the AM position?

When has Pogba had to play with the quality of players we have now?

lekkie073:
sensible things do not sound sensible to stupid people. Just imagine yourself proudly ascribing yourself a nonsensical nomenclature 'OleOUT' geng. Were you consulted before he was appointed? So why do you feel your useless opinions will determine when he will be relieved? It is easy to criticize. All you have to do is find one error and keep blabbing about it. Any fool can do that. However, not everyone can see progress. It is only given those who make effective use of their sense of reasoning.

Tell me you have never criticized a manager? Should we employ the services of a digger to dig out (That's even if you have been here that long) your comments on Mourinho, Van Gaal and Moyes?

KingAlabi:
I am currently on about the AM position though, I no get strength for the long arguments for the other positions.

If you are offered grealish, foden or Pogba as an AM to replace Bruno.
Rank your choice based on their recent performances in that position over recent time.

The thing is that we don't have to play 4-2-3-1 all the time. In the absence of Bruno, we should rather play 4-3-3...

But if I must answer your question, I'll rank the as follows;

1. Pogba
2. Foden
3. Grealish

Grealish is a fine player but he hangs onto the ball too much. Pogba sometimes over does things but if he sees the movement, he will make the pass and 6 (if not higher) out of 10 times, it's inch perfect...

Foden's first instinct is to create space to score or make the run to score. He isn't very creative so, I'd rather deploy him as an inverted wing forward

LMDyaya:
lol,abi o

those 5 signings are to match them completely or even be better, I mean quality.

We already have good enough quality. We just need a DM...If you watched Bissouma against Watford yesterday, you'd understand how good he is...He or Ndidi will see us even the gao in midfield with City...

The rest is hinged on departures...

Is Zamfara gold not the economic interest of the nation?

LMDyaya:
Omo,my input...


mancity are better than us ,yes


but we not far behind,yes


we still need like 5 more signings to be up there with mancity(squad depth wise) but that doesn't become an excuse for the fraud not to win something.we have seen teams with worse squad depth win trophies.(liverpool 19/20,leicester 15/16 etc comes to mind)

5 more signing? Baba if you inject 5 top players into this team, Pep will run away, we will be too hot to handle...

lekkie073:
Barcelona from 1974 to 1990 did not win a single LA Liga, despite making second position more than five times. They went on to win four straight seasons after that. Real Madrid has its own fair share of periods of hiatus. Ac Milan is also going though its own period. This is normal in football, and it is more difficult now that competition is improving as a result of fund availability. Gone are the days players will troop to one club simply because of club profile and popularity.

Nobody is saying we must win everything...A trophy or two in between is not a crime...

lekkie073:
haven't you also label people with differing opinions?
You are perrenial complainant. Simple!

Whatever makes you feel better...

TheLequte:
1. Lindelof isn’t even fit to be United material for his preferred position (RCB) but you think there won’t be a significant drop in quality if he replaces Maguire at LCB. O wrong nao.

2. Dalot is a freaking liability defensively. The drop in quality defensively between him and AWB in is like from 85 to 40. He edges AWB offensively but it’s just a little bit. We’ve seen him play. We know his weaknesses. Same with AWB.

3. Pogba cannot deputize for Bruno at AM without that major drop in quality, mostly because of his speed. I mean, Pogba is a top quality player but fast play and making quick decisions in tight spaces- the requirements for an AM- is not his forte. It was here we kept buying players to “unlock” Pogba. We didn’t know it was Pogba that needed to unlock someone else.

Sancho is the only one I think can play that AM like Bruno and we won’t see a major drop in quality. And he’s yet to do that. So fingers crossed on that.

1. As a backup, Lindelof is more than capable...He has played on that side before and can hold his own especially when partnered with Varane...

2. Dalot might be a liability but so is Mendy and Zichenko on City's left side. No one team has a perfect 11 and bench...

3. Pogba doesn't need to play like Bruno to function in that role. You guys are forgetting that it takes quality players around you for most of your play to count. For instance, if Pogba had given that pass he gave to Greenwood against Leeds to James instead, chances that it won't end up in the back of the net is high...See how Tuchel has managed to mask the deficiencies in Jorginho's game by having more men behind the ball...That's what is expected of Ole. In the absence of Bruno, it isn't compelling that we must play an out and out AM, a 4-3-3 with a sitting DM and two CMs is an option...

If we rate Grealish high on the back of what he did last season then Sancho for his numbers in the Buli and performances in the UCL deserves to be rated even higher...Early days but I am certain Sancho and Rashford will outscore Grealish and Pogba will have more assist...We sometimes underestimate the quality in our ranks...

BARAJ92:
Even with the analysis of Thelequte, it is quite clear that man Utd have a larger squad with man city edging it out in superior quality replacement in midfield.

In his analysis, he gave Grealish a 10 in AM and LWF but he gave Pogba an 8 in AM...What has Grealish done as an AM that Pogba hasn't done and even bested? That's why I said his analysis is flawed...

Someone said somewhere that I am including Varane to win an argument. What kind of football do they play in England that is different from what a player with 4 UCL, 1 world cup has not faced before? The same guys were praying that Pep shouldn't sign Messi as if Messi has played in England before going by their logic...If City had signed Varane and Sancho, I aam certain they'd have said they're the best addition to any team...

lekkie073:
so you see... Now you want two conditions to be satisfied before you can stop being a complainant.

Play well and win league.

Now we have to start looking for that manager that can play well and win league altogether. While you want two conditions to be met, some of your associates may want three or four conditions to be met.


Insatiable lots!!!

You are a fan just like anyone else here, react the way you choose whatever suits you. You have no right to tackle others for the opinions they hold or label them complainants or whatever your brain can think of...

As I told you earlier, you can scroll past, nobody force you to read...

lekkie073:
the one that brought trophies, some of una still castigated his style of football. So?

We have seen teams win trophies whilst playing well so, is not out of place to demand such from a coach. It's not like we are asking them to win trophies with 9 men against 11, simply win while playing well...

Nezzjnr:
Really bro??

Leave the guy...He wants to get at me but not today...

lekkie073:
is united the first club that will spend 400m in three seasons and not win the league?

Every big club goes through a hiatus, a period when they will find it difficult to get it right. It might be a result of increased competition, money, fatigue or any other factor. The fact remains, a big club cannot remain competitive for ever except when there is no competition from its rivals. Fergie kept Liverpool in hiatus for decades. That coincided with the emergence of new football powerhouses like Chelsea and Mancity.
Now manutd has been in a hiatus since Fergie left (this is normal) and you expect one manager to come and fill his vacuum perfectly.
Fergie, as a personality won United at least 10 points per season. That's why some rival fans ascribe him the position of epl influencer. That is gone with him, more clubs are grooming themselves to be more competitive. In the midst of these, some manutd fans still fantasize about overnight success. Hmmmmm

You know why Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern, Man City, PSG, Real Madrid and the likes don't settle for less? Because they spend a whole lot in transfer fees and wages hence expect good football and trophies...If Klopp leaves Liverpool today, the next manager will be under intense pressure to deliver trophies too, no one will remember that it took Klopp 4 seasons to finally deliver the UCL because they believe they have gotten back to that stage where they shouldn't go a maximum of 2 seasons trophy less...Even Klopp will come under fire should Liverpool fail to win any trophy this season because the excuse of injuries to key defenders is now a thing of the past...

I can't be hating on Ole yet I want him to use the squad well to avoid the burnout that was evident last season...

CapitalCee:
They make it sound as if anybody is wishing Ole to fail, go and look at how happy and bustling most of us were when Utd win matches. Every body is praying fervently for the team to win, and they could win, but when glaring deficiencies exist, shouldn't it be discussed or is a particular manager immune to criticism?

I watch almost all Manchester United games and that of other teams especially during weekends...How someone will sit down in his room and suggest that I want Manchester United to fail just to spite Ole is beyond me...

Hopefully we will beat Sutton today...

KingAlabi:
What you don't get is while we have replacements, city have better replacements, that's not to say we need to go out and buy another Bruno, but just a fact about city, forget the managers in this convo.

My guy, we have looked at both teams. The only area where they edge us is in the midfield and that's because VDB has got going yet. In AM, Sancho and Pogba can step in there and do a good job. I am of the opinion that Sancho or Pogba as our attacking midfielder will best any option from City not named KDB over the course of a season. I hope Ole sticks with McTom and Matic as his DM options while Fred and VDB should ay as CMs that they are.

City are better at LB...

We are better at RCB

We are on par at LCB

We are better at LB

They edge it in the DM position

In CM and AM we are as good as them.

In the wings, there's nothing to separate the both team. In fact, if Sancho reach the heights expected of him and Rashford comes back better we will ahead of them.

At CF, we are better and have the better options...

CapitalCee:
You can have your opinion nobody is denying you that doc. However you are clearly wrong to say that the base of the argument is "NOT" whether we lack quality or not. Its either you did not see that or you decided to ignore it.

The genesis of the argument was where i made a comment of how pep made a lot of changes. Which could give him advantage at the long run ahead of others, meaning his co-contenders like Liverpool, Utd and Chelsea. Someone immediately retorted with a tired moaning of how Glazers do not back Ole, how we lack depth etc. My comment was crystal clear, it was never to undermine anyone rather to point out where Pep could have an advantage.

If you watch carefully i agreed with a number of people that Rodri was better than Mctoms in DM, and thats not the problem, I never even said Overall City do not have a better depth. My point has remained that Ole has the required depth to challenge. I went ahead to make my own recommendations in good faith. Whatever argument you are having with anybody regarding Rodri/Mctoms is clearly not the issue.

There was never an emotional comment i made here, I only pointed out Peps good usage of his squad. Can you Point out where i said Mctom is better than Rodri? My only comment about the DM position was that if 36 year old Fernandinho can be used, why not 33 years old Matic? and his use should be sparingly. You going to uproot an already well discussed topic about Reyna is simply to institute your nonexistent "emotional" fallacy ad hominen, and to me it is totally unnecessary.
My point is City may be better than Utd in depth but there is no gulf in class and ole has an embarrassment of talents to rotate.

The supposed gap is negligible if Ole ups his game...Liverpool didn't have the depth of City when they won the league. I wonder why a perfectly negligible gap is now an issue when we are involved...