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afrodoc2:
This is a correct statement and better than trying to prove that farmers are not farmers.

We know Messi will still score but for now let’s troll the crocodile crier.

Patrickmuf is not a good Messi agent. His excuse was watery.

Watery? Ibra, Cavani, Mbappe, Neymar and other top strikers have graced the Ligue 1 but haven't managed to score up to 40 league goals for once something Ronaldo and Messi did in LA Liga, does it mean La Liga defenders are shit especially when you co spider that Barcelona and Madrid had far superior teams?

afrodoc2:
What did you want to do with the combined 11?
I have given it to you now you no talk again.

Answer this question.
The defenders in Ligue 1 overall are the better than, equal to, or worse than the defenders in EPL?

Ligue 1 defenders are just as good as EPL defenders...If they were that poor, why hasn't Mbappe scored ridiculous number of goals? Last season he scored a modest 27 goals...For a league that you rate so poorly, Mbappe should be hitting 40-50 goals already...

I am surprised and Maguire and Bruno didn't make your combined 11...To be honest, I will play Bruno as AM and drop Ronaldo to the bench...

CapitalCee:
Ligue 1 goal is graded as 1.5 goals while EPL is graded as 2 for UEFA golden boot award

I am not sure you are right...It is graded as 2 and not 1.5...Kindly check again.

CapitalCee:
Is easy na. Put Assnal in Ligue 1 they will win domestic treble

This one na just talk...

Arsenal that can't even win their Emirates cup again.

afrodoc2:
I hope you understand what that means?

Okay let me make you happy.

Combined 11:

GK: Donnarumma
RB: Hakimi
LB: Shaw
CB: Varane
CB: Marquinhos
CDM: Idrissa Gueye
CM: Pogba
CAM/SS: Messi
RWF: Mbappe
LWF: Neymar
CF: Ronaldo

I'll wait for that of other Ronaldo fans...

As for quality of players, PSG had to rely on a late goal to beat Lyon yesterday...Football is not about having star attackers alone...Club Brugge proved it...

I think it is you who noted here that PSG do not have a balanced team a while back...They might have a fearsome attack but it ends there, in midfield and defense they're not all that...

afrodoc2:
To avoid confusion, are you saying the defenders in Ligue 1 are better than the defenders in EPL, or are they equal to the ones in EPL or are they worse?

I just want both of us to be on the same page.

I am saying that every league is difficult...

Some of the best players in the world have come from that league that is often ridiculed...

afrodoc2:
Every week?

Okay. The average team has 3-4 central defenders. Combine Monaco and Lyon's teams to make 8 central defenders. Name 3 quality international central defenders in both teams combined.
These 2 teams that are Messi's nemesis weekly can you name their best defenders?

Messi has made just 2 appearances for PSG in Ligue 1, a sub appearance vs Reims and his first start yesterday...If this was December, I'd be concerned but not now, he will still dominate that League like he did in Spain...

Doc, just drop the combined 11 of PSG and Manchester United, it is easier than looking for ex players to form a team...

afrodoc2:
If i arrange all the ex-players on this thread we will make Top 4 in Ligue 1.

The quality of players you are playing with has to be compared with the quality of players you are playing against.

Without google can you name 4 good central defenders in Ligue 1 apart from PSG defenders.

PSG were in pot 2 in the UCL because they didn't win that league last season...If PSG were that good, Lille wouldn't have won the league ahead of them...

TrebleChamp:
Plus Lacazette

Why Ronaldo no finish those Lyon defenders when he came up against them for Juve?

afrodoc2:
You mean Messi is facing PSG defenders in Ligue 1?

He is facing Monaco and Lyon defenders...

afrodoc2:
I see you have started retracing your steps like the Oba in village headmaster.

So it is no longer goals per game ratio?

When he had that debate weeks back, I said the same thing...I only brought up goals per game ratio to highlight a point...

Meanwhile, let me see your combined 11 of PSG and Manchester United players, I want to check if Messi is playing with stars and Ronaldo is having to do it all on his own.

afrodoc2:
It is when i ask you to name the quality defenders and goal keepers Messi is facing in Ligue 1 that we will hear another story. Shey na defenders wey Pepe dey bully up and down?

Same defenders wey Ronaldo no fit bully for UCL, same defenders wey City with their super attack no fit bully...Yes, those same defenders...

afrodoc2:
Are you saying goals per game ratio is the decider in the GOAT debate?

We can't use in deciding between Player A and Player B, then discard it when Players C, D, E, and F are included?
You know what is good for the Jew is good for Uganda.

Na simple sturvs question.

Goals, assist and chances created for forward players...

If I ask for a combined 11 of PSG and Manchester United, na that time you go start to hear different talk...

CapitalCee:
Messi is low key struggling in farmers league with world class players while Ronaldo is smashing it in EPL. I like Messi but if this trend continues i know who the GOAT will be

So, Ronaldo is playing with bums abi? Bruno, Pogba, Shaw, De Gea, Varane, Maguire, Sancho etc...

afrodoc2:
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Are you sure you want to go the goal to game ratio route?

Are you saying goal to game ratio is the decider over who is the GOAT?
I just want to be sure i understand you well.

We are talking about the both players here, Messi best him in goals scored per game, assist, chances created, dribbles etc...

Messi is 2 years younger...

afrodoc2:
Can you explain how we won't consider quality of leagues when UEFA itself uses coefficients to award Golden Shoe?

And how won't age matter? You think 34 to 36 na child's play? Ronaldo that lost his long distance speed over the last 2 years? Na only movement and 5-10 yard acceleration remain for bros, after 10 yards bros fuel dey finish like careless kabukabu driver.

Going by that coefficient, is a goal scored in France any less than that scored in England?

The fact that Messi who is 2 years younger has a better goal to game ratio points to his superiority...Imagine if they were mates, he for dey pass Ronaldo by at least 100 goals...

afrodoc2:
They are both GOUTs no doubt.

But before banana turns to iron can we agree on a conversion factor which will take into consideration Messi being 2 years younger and playing in a farmer's league?

Or don't you think it will be a bit unfair to compare a 36yr old in EPL to a 34 yr old in Ligue 1?

Even before now, a younger Messi has a better goals to game ratio...

When you compare Messi to Ronaldo who is two years his senior, we no talk about age differences so, don't bring quality of leagues when Messi out scores him at the end of the season.

afrodoc2:
Ligue 1 easy, which makes it WORSE. It is part of the "wonderment".

One is in a difficult league and has scored 4 goals and the other is in an easy league and is impotent.

When the season ends, we will be here to see how each of them performed.

Messi started slow last season and had Melvyn talking about open play goals but by mid season, Melvyn disappeared like the fart of a leprous witch...

GloryIsaac:
One has scored 4 goals in 3 matches playing in the toughest leagues in the world.

The other can’t score in farmer’s league, and is already planning a rebellion against the coach for subbing him off

I know my GOAT. Just saying...

When the tables turn, I no want hear say Ligue 1 easy o!

adisaaowala:
In hindsight, i kinda wished Sir Alex had kept him...

Under the Scot, Pogba for don align by fire by force and would probably have been the natural successor to scholes - the one we have been looking for.

True that...Pogba will cut out the excesses in his game if he played under Pep or in time past under Fergie...

adisaaowala:
The point is that Pogba owned that French midfield - he orchestrated play from deep, always made himself available for passes, didnt dwell on the ball unnecessarily, wasnt all about the usual showboating we get to see at Man utd, and most importantly, put the team first and played for his manager.

We saw a similar pogba in a double pivot for us at some point last season and even the great paul scholes had this to say :

In that world cup, he started the first game or thereabout and had a stinker and was dropped (My memory might not be spot on) for the proceeding game after much criticism from the French people. Baba had to step up...

slimghost:
If my memory serves me right, The games Matuidi played at the World Cup, he played mostly from the left, almost as a winger. The pivot were Pogba and Kante.

In that world cup, their attack was Mbappe, Greizmann and Giroud...Matuidi played from the left but he mostly served a purpose to defend rather than attack...France kind of low key packed the bus and depended on the speed of Mbappe, Giroud's hold up play as well as Pogba's passing.

In the just concluded Euros, they attempted to be more expansive and they paid the price for it...

KingAlabi:
We will eat them raw with counter attacks, only Leeds this season has been where we had space to counter.
Other teams have sat back.

If West Ham had Antonio today, we for hear am...They were in so many good positions where a good pass was all that was needed...

Baba football is not all about counter attacks, we need to find a way to vary our play depending on the opposition...

KingAlabi:
Not to bring an agenda, but 2 goals out of 4 we have concede this season has been massive deflections.
We are still shakey defensively, we might need to rely on outscoring our opponents.

If Tottenham plays this same pattern against us, one thing is sure, we will score goals in the game, just don't know how many we will concede.

If Spurs played they way they did in the first half against us, we will spend the 2nd half chasing the game...

How Chelsea managed to contain them in that opening 45 mins is what we try to highlight when we talk about their fantastic set up.

ChristineC:
does Kante really play as a DM? why do people have that idea? abi because he dey dudu

He might not play as a DM but he stops the opposition in his own unique way...He disrupts the rhythm of the opponent.

eph12:
You'll recognize a well drilled team when you see one. At a time, I was amazed at the speed at which almost every player ran back to form 2 walls of defense. That's why they don't concede chances. But our team is looking for a DM to come save the day here while some people are allowed to abandon defensive duties

They're very well drilled.

Saul was the player that made them suffer against Villa. I am certain that the next time we see Saul, he will look very good...

Tuchel just knows how to set his team up and if the opposition manager outsmart him, he reads the game fast enough to make corrections to his set up and personnel...

ChristineC:
France?

Kante and Matuidi before, now Kante and Rabiot...

Lana1:
Why did PSG sack Tuchel sef? He was doing well for them.

I miss Lampard

Neymar and Mbappe don't put in a shift, they dey form big boys...Pochettino will suffer the same thing or he fi De a way to field a very combative yet creative midfield...

Bombblacks:
How is nobody talking about Maguire performance. He was shockingly bad I was surprised. To many misplaced passes and lack of concentration. A 5yard pass to Bruno, he played it to throw in.

You can start the discussion...

Ole is just too basic...Always taking off like for like players or messing things off in general...

I could have sworn not even the staunchest Chelsea fan expected Kante to come in when he did and for Mount but look how his introduction tipped the balance in favor of Chelsea...Even when you expected Spurs to press for at least a goal or two, baba quickly brought in Werner to give them something to worry about on the break...