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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:47pm On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Ajax dumped Real Madrid and Juventus out of UCL. Means Eredivise defenders are better than Serie A and La Liga defenders.

Messianic logic.

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It means they're not farmers are can play at the level of Madrid and Juventus players...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:46pm On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
NAME 5 QUALITY INTERNATIONAL GRADE DEFENDERS THAT MESSI WILL FACE THIS SEASON.

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Denayer and his mates are farmers but Ronaldo and Juventus couldn't knock them out...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:45pm On Sep 20, 2021
Cherry picking their best players is down to the fact that the EPL has more money.

Next summer, all the top teams will return to France looking for another set of farmers...Farmers w ey sabi ball...

Take the money and media coverage away and watch the EPL struggle...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:40pm On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Quote where i said they were all famers? Is Mbappe a farmer?

You were the one who said Ligue 1 defenders are as good as EPL defenders and yet have been unable to list only 5 of these defenders.
i have receipt for where you said it.

NAME 5 QUALITY INTERNATIONAL GRADE LIGUE 1 CENTRAL DEFENDERS THAT MESSI WILL FACE THIS SEASON.

I am asking for the 135.4618th time.
What happened when Man City met Lyon?

What happened why Juventus met Lyon?

What happened when City met Monaco?

Those farmers that ensured City and Juventus were dumped out of the UCL are what you are asking for...You can look them up.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:36pm On Sep 20, 2021
Messi is a failure at International football but when he won the COPA we started hearing stories...

The good thing is that his haters are out with the excuses are early this time...So, if Messi wins the Ligue 1 that PSG couldn't win and even lost their version of the Super Cup to the same Lille (showing that it wasn't a fluke), he didn't do anything spectacular, he should win the UCL which if he does they'd find another excuse...

Hehehe I sabi una well well...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:31pm On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
All these good defenders have left their leagues and joined EPL teams which means EPL cherry picks the best defenders in these leagues and leaves the otu defenders to be forming chairman in those leagues.

Now can you name the 5 quality international grade defenders that Messi will face? cheesy
I thought they were all farmers?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:28pm On Sep 20, 2021
slimghost:
See how they are attacking my man Patrick because of this Argentine Ikedia. No goal, no assist!
Attacking? Lol...

He is trying to push a narrative that isn't factual...Kante, Mahrez and Hazard has dominated the EPL all from Ligue 1...A lot of farmers can play football in France...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:26pm On Sep 20, 2021
handelex:
This your comment is very funny to me seeing how you're trying to excuse Southgate and hold the players accountable cheesy

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Good luck with English players...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:24pm On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
E shock you?

This is the first time i am hearing that Ligue 1 defenders are as good as EPL defenders. cheesy
Who are the top EPL defenders?

Diaz from Benfica...

Varane a product of Ligue 1...

Azpi signed from Marseille...

Van Dijk signed from the Scottish league...

Varane was signed by Madrid from Lens who had just been relegated back then...

Azpi was signed by Chelsea from Marseille...

I assume the Scottish and Portuguese leagues qualify as farmers league too yet the best EPL defenders were signed from there...

If not for his injury Fofana was already touted as one of the best EPL defenders, guess where he was signed from?

Gabriel of Arsenal nko?

That defenders in the French Ligue 1 are not popular is down to the league and not because they are farmers...If Ligue 1 had the money and media packaging of the EPL, they'd be miles ahead...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:09pm On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
You still haven't told me the 5-11 quality international grade central defenders in the Ligue 1 that Messi has to face.

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Illimitab.le has shut down your argument listing players who came from leagues that ordinarily you'd class as farmers league but still bossed the EPL...

As I said, there's more to football...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:59pm On Sep 20, 2021
Doc leave history, the EPL is not far ahead of the French Ligue 1 and the players there are not farmers...

We might never agree on this one so, let's just leave it here...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:56pm On Sep 20, 2021
handelex:
That's true but that squad had tremendous quality all round except you want to deny that.
They had a team good enough to match Italy on paper but on the pitch, they we saw the difference. It's mostly been so for the Three Lions heading into an international competition and most times, the coach takes the fall but away from that, isn't it time we started questioning the players?

I really thought that for once England have a team filled with players who are comfortable on the ball but once they came up against top opponents, they relied more on their athleticism rather than their technical ability which seems to be there in this present crop...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:40pm On Sep 20, 2021
handelex:
It's more about Southgates tactiks and setup than the players actually. Swap the managers and the story changes.
English players are overhyped, it's no news...
Foreign Affairs › Re: Paul Rusesabagina (Hotel Rwanda Hero) Convicted In Sham Trial by patrickmuf(m): 2:33pm On Sep 20, 2021
Kagame is low key a dictator, one that has zero tolerance for dissenting voices...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:20pm On Sep 20, 2021
Illimitable:
Ligue 1 isn’t far behind from PL. The only thing PL has over Ligue 1 apart from money is hype. We should stop pretending that we haven’t seen direct transfers from Ligue 1 coming to boss the overhyped PL.

Eden Hazard, Riyadh Mahrez, Ngolo Kante, etc all came from the so called Farmer’s league to win PFA player of the year in the overhyped PL back to back without sweats.

Salah also came straight from Serie A(another so called farmer’s league) to dog-walk the overhyped PL defenders. There’s also Ruben Dias that came straight from Portuguese league and he won player of the season. Bruno Fernandes from the same farmer’s league is also bossing PL defenders - and he should have won the last PFA awards.

PL is 70% footballing ability, 30% media hype. Just try and watch the Euro final again and see how Italian players from the so called farmer’s league totally destroyed the overhyped PL players.
When you read about the EPL, you'd think they're about the best in the world but all of it is down to very good marketing...

I have said it here before that I watch City in the UCL and they hardly dominate European teams like they do EPL teams but people won't stop over hyping the league...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:13pm On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Zlatan dropped from 38 goals in Ligue 1 to 17 goals in EPL next season. Discuss

Using not more than 250 words explain how Lacazette dropped from 28 goals in Ligue 1 to 14 goals the next season in EPL.

Using diagrams and audiovisual illustration, explain how Mbappe is averaging practically a goal a game in Ligue 1 despite playing only just above half of the matches as CF?

Without asking Ifa, Orunmila, or Delphic oracle can you explain how Falcao averaged 0.6 goals per game in Ligue 1 but 0.14 goals per game in EPL?

a) With the help of google can you tell us how many Ligue 1 teams have ever won the Champions League?
b) Calculate the ratio of this to the number of EPL teams that have won the
Champions League.
c) Finally using all mighty formula can you tell us the degree of blame to be apportioned to Ligue 1 defenders for the result of b above.
Hehehe Zlatan played for PSG, the best team in the league and when he came to England, he joined the 5th best team and was older...

Mbappe scored 27 goals last season, that's good but hardly jaw dropping...Salah doesn't play as a CF but he also post better numbers...

The Falcao that arrived in England was already watched up...

Lacazette? How many stellar seasons did he have in Ligue 1? What team did he join in England? It's like leaving Liverpool for Real Betis/Valencia and expecting to drop the same stats. Lyon was the 2nd/3rd best team in France at that time, he joined Arsenal that were on their way down...

If Zlatan, Cavani, Mbappe played for the present City or Liverpool whilst at the peak of their powers, they'd have dropped top numbers...

That's me trying to point out things clearly but we all know football can't be judged that way, Immobile was thrash at Dortmund but he has since been back banging goals for Lazio...Ordinarily, one would look at the Bundesliga and think it is easier to score there than in the Serie A but it didn't happen...

Another instance, Ronaldo left Madrid for Juventus but was beaten to the golden boot by an old man Quagliarella in his first season and Immobile in his second season, it's only last season he was able to win the golden boot...Same Ronaldo that scored for fun in LA Liga and the UCL, are we to believe the Serie A is tougher or have better defenders? If yes, why then is Immobile doing so well there after failing in Germany?

There’s more to football...

I had a laugh when I read your reply...You this man, you funny sha.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:56pm On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Let’s list players that Brazilian league has produced and conclude that it is better than EPL then?

We don’t want you to name all the players that Ligue 1 has produced sef. That’s too difficult.
Just name the 5 good international grade defenders that Messi will face there. Since 11 is too hard we have reduced it to 5.
Okay, I accept they're no international grade defenders in the whole league but then, why didn't/haven't Ibra, Cavani, Benzema, Falcao, Mbappe, Neymar etc scored more than 40-50 league goals not even consistently but at least for once?. Who was stopping them, farmers? Must be farmers who can play the beautiful game then...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:38pm On Sep 20, 2021
hoopLA:
William Saliba came from there and has hardly played for Arsenal.
Useless arteta can't find any use for him in a useless team.
It's not down to his footballing abilities...If we start listing players that the French Ligue 1 has produced we won't stop anytime soon.

If was that easy, Falcao, Ibra, Benzema, Cavani, Mbappe, Neymar and co would have been scoring 40 - 50 goals every season while they were/are there...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:34pm On Sep 20, 2021
GloryIsaac:
grin grin grin Knows the truth but doesn’t want to say it.

PSG’s attack is on a different level, even their midfield is good. Funny how we only have an edge in defense - Shaw and Varane.
They way una dey reduce Pogba and Bruno to average midfielders when it comes to an argument dey always amaze me...

Neymar, Mbappe and Messi look formidable on paper but are they workable? It's left to be seen. PSG team is not balanced at all, for things to click, Poch might have to bin Veratti and go with Gueye, Paredes/Herrera and Wijnaldum because those guys in front will not put in the shift. I streamed their match yesterday, Messi was strolling as was Neymar and Mbappe without the ball...I think under the right set up, we have a good mix in our attack...

Anyway sha...Time will tell.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:41am On Sep 20, 2021
kushercain:
But Ibra cavani neymar and co are not Messi and Ronaldo and are in the GOAT debate. If Messi doesnt do 40 goals then in your own words he will be considered a failure, capisce?
You missed the point. I used the number of goals scored to highlight that those defenders are not inferior to their peers if not, the likes of Ibra, Cavani, Benzema, Mbappe and Falcai would have broken goal records playing in that league...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:34am On Sep 20, 2021
elrony:
Uhmmm, except na Carabao cup Henderson should not near that Goal post for now.
I think it's Caraboa Cup...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:18am On Sep 20, 2021
monerozi5590:
I noticed both you and afrodoc2 didn't include Verrati in your combine 11
Pogba does his job and is the better forward passer...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:02am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Your list is not bad.

So you can’t name these world class defenders in Ligue 1? grin

Okay let’s make it easier.
Name 5 quality international grade central defenders in both leagues (apart from United and PSG defenders).
I could easily mention defenders from Monaco, Marseille and Lyon at least I watch them when they play PSG but you will latch onto the bolded...

The goal stats for each Ligue 1 season should point to the fact that their defenders are not that bad. Moreso, that league churns out some of the finest DM who also help in shielding the defense...

In summary, while they may be relatively unknown, they are not farmers neither are they grossly inferior to their peers in more popular leagues...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m):
afrodoc2:
Patrick you asked me to name my combined 11 but you haven’t named your own o. Please let’s see your own list.

Also I have my own question for you.

Can you name (in your view) the top 11 central defenders that Ronaldo will face in the EPL and the top 11 central defenders Messi will face in Ligue 1?
..........................Donnarumma............................

Hakimi.......Varane............Maguire.......Shaw......

..................................Gueye....................................

...................Bruno.................Pogba.......................

Messi......................Mbappe.....................Neymar

I can possibly swap Donnarumma for De Gea and Mbappe for Ronaldo...

As for the 11 defenders, I do not follow Ligue 1 religiously but from facts on ground, they are not farmers as you try to paint them.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:26am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Patrick you asked me to name my combined 11 but you haven’t named your own o. Please let’s see your own list.

Also I have my own question for you.

Can you name (in your view) the top 11 central defenders that Ronaldo will face in the EPL and the top 11 central defenders Messi will face in Ligue 1?
The back and forth is counter productive, if Ligue 1 had farmers for defenders, Mbappe would have been scoring over 40 goals per season after all he also plays in that same PSG set up.

The reason why I asked for the combined 11 is to highlight that we too have a lot of quality players...

If we sampled the opinions of folks about a lot of Chelsea players whilst Lampard was coach, I am certain very few persons will say anything good of Rudiger and Alonso. At was point it was as if Azpi was done at the top level and Kante was past it but look at them now. If we had Tuchel rather than Ole, Sancho will most likely be tearing up the league, VDB and a host of our players will play to their true potentials leading to pundits rating us very highly but that's not the case now so it looks like we don't have a very good team when it's not really the case.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:16am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
I had to just give him props after he said Ligue 1 defenders were equal to EPL defenders. cheesy

Even though his name is Patrick he is obviously not a strong Christian. cheesy

The guy is was stressing that “name combined 11”, “name combined 11” thinking it would show that United had better players, forgetting that while our attack (our strongest department) is filled with stars and one GOUT, PSG has extra-terrestrials and a GOUT in their attack.

That is why after I named my 11 he was in shock and said he would wait for other lists. cheesy
Imagine after claiming that Ronaldo was playing with better players you combine both teams and find out that Messi has 6 starters while Ronaldo has only 3 starters. cheesy

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That's your pick, another person will have Maguire and Bruno Starting...It's down to your preferences. The bottom line is that we also have a lot of quality players and good options to call from the bench in our set up so, the idea of Messi playing with top players is true for Ronaldo too...

If we had a good coach, a lot of people will have us rated higher.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:11am On Sep 20, 2021
Bruno did well yesterday, a much improved all round performance even though he tired out out towards the end of the game.

Playing Pogba from the left didn't work because Pogba was not disciplined enough to stay wide, he was always drifting towards the center of the pitch because quite simply, it's the nature of his game, he wants to be on the ball most times so, he could stay wide and without the ball...I think it's time for Ole to make a decision, it's either he takes the risk to play McTom alone at the base with Pogba and Bruno ahead of him as LCM and RCM respectively...With this change, we won't need an out and out AM.

Also, I notice Sancho wants to play those 1-2 intricate passes but others are not in sync. I think VDB and Martial are players that will do well with Sancho on the pitch...

As for our next game, I hope to see Ole give those bench players a chance to show what they can offer. Henderson should start if fit.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:22am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
I don’t like Maguire like that. Too slow for my liking.

Marquinhos, Varane, Shaw, Hakimi high line will be tasty.
Out of Messi, Ronaldo, Bruno the person you want to drop is Ronaldo? cheesy


Well done.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:14am On Sep 20, 2021
elrony:
They still have the overall best team by miles out of the rest in Ligue one
Just like they had the best team last season...

Football no be 1 + 1...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:09am On Sep 20, 2021
Expert17:
It's 2 point per goal for Ligue-1, EPL, Serie-A, Bundesliga and Laliga.
I just had to drop that screenshot because he was adamant that he was right...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:00am On Sep 20, 2021
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:51am On Sep 20, 2021
CapitalCee:
YES
Can you help me with a link so I can read it up myself because from what I have checked, a goal is Ligue 1 is no less than a goal scored in the EPL

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