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footiemaniac:
You aim is for us to hire Poch so that Manchster united can finish top 4 consistently, raise revenue for Glazier and co and we the fans go on and on for 5 years without celebrating any trophy? This is interesting...

Is this what you understood from my summation? You can read my replies to understand my point.

footiemaniac:
Even a serial winner like Pep has won the lowly Carabao cup back to back( Last 2 seasons) and a serial failure like Poch is prioritizing the same competition when you have zero trophy to your name.

The team Liverpool used in their Caraboa cup game against Arsenal should tell you about the priority of Klopp. Poch can't start his best players for such competition and his bench is a toss. Pep on the other hand has a bench that is on par if not outrightly better than our first team collectively.

footiemaniac:
So why was he prioritizing trophies when has won none in his glittering career? Do you need to spend £300M to win Europa, FA cup, Carling Cup? Arsene wenger won FA Cup back to back without spending £300M, wigan , portsmouth etc

For a club like Spurs, they rather qualify for the UCL and finish as high as possible on the table so they can rake in more money...

Fottball is business, winning the Carling is good for the fans but finishing in the top 4 and qualifying for the UCL is better for business...Today,Spurs can afford a new stadium whilst keeping their best players because UCL money never stopped coming.

Leyqute:
Thing is football is not always black and white like many people imagine.

At this moment I don’t think Poch will do an better job than Ole is doing- he’ll probably do worse given the intense pressure and scrutiny that he’ll have to deal with.


Ole is a Man Utd legend and that is part of what has been helping him from getting sacked. Plus Utd seem to be tired of sacking coaches after a run of bad results. But trust me, if Ole can’t find a formulae to unlock park the bus teams (or doesn’t seem like he will), by the end of the season he’ll be out.

That will be the time for another person to come in.

Cos success is not always about the manager alone. His team also matters. Poch can’t come here next week and instantly turn Rasbfoed into a world beater or Martial into a Vardy. He’ll need time.

So, why bring in a potential work in progress to replace a current work in progress?

I have said previously that I don't believe we have the quality to win the league not when Liverpool and City are still football clubs in England but I believe we should be in the mix for the 3rd or 4th spot and that's my expectation of Ole but so far, we haven't looked it. If Poch comes today, I'll expect that he qualifies us for the UCL for at least 2 straight seasons from where we will be able to attract top quality players and from there, we start competing for the league.

footiemaniac:
Klopp, Zidane, Mourinho, Pep prioritized midway-through campaigns due to different reasons and got positive Results. The koko here is, they all have Results(Trophies) to show for it. But Poch have zero trophy to show after prioritizing competition right from the beginning of the season. He his simply a serial failure.

Trophies to show for spending over £300m or more...I'll be disappointed if they didn't have any.

chidexxy007:
When did they win the league last?

Does Poch know what a league, f.a cup or league cup look like for him to prioritize?

It takes less matches and less travels for you to win the f.a cup and league cup than the UCL.


If Pep nd Klopp prioritize trophies, Poch too go follow..

The right question is; have they ever won the league? That the average Spurs fan believes they should right up there in the mix for the title is a tantamount to the great job Poch did with them. Na Tottenham we dey talk about here o! The once wey sell Berbatov, Carrick, Keane, Modric and Bale to balance the books. The same club that saw finishing 5th as a big achievement. Now, no big club can wake up and throw Mo ey at Spurs for their big names because Klopp kept them in the UCL for consecutive seasons, I need not expansiate on the wi dfall that comes with participating in the UCL talk less of reaching the finals.

Oasis007:


Lawd.... Akkant read all Bruh. Apologies for not quoting you directly, just wanna have a Banter with Airmark.

Your Points are noted, but seems you Guys ain't getting ours. Some of you think we are backing OGS as the right Man for the Job - WRONG.

My Argument is; we need a proven Manager to succeed Ole after he's done with his rebuilding Process.

There is no Guarantee that Pochetino will succeed at United. Ranieri won League with Leicester, Harry Redknapp won FA with Portmouth FC, at least let Poch win something first.

I understand your argument but the likes of Sarri, Valverde, Luis Enrique, Kovac etc have shown us that with big teams, better players, big transfer budget, your chances of winning trophies is very high.

They're exceptions though as you have pointed out but those exceptions like Ranieri, Redknapp, Juande Ramos and so on did not repeat their successes with those teams in anyway close showing that it was more a one off but Valverde has won LA Liga twice already, Allegri won is it 3 scudetto in a row? Kovac won the Bundesliga and I reckon irrespective of their slow start would've gone on to win the Bundesliga again if he didn't get the sack, Tuchel is winning the Ligue 1 even before December but we saw how he performed with Dortmund when he had a better team in Bayern to contend with.

If Poch joins PSG today, in 5 years he'll most likely have 5 league titles to his name and about 3-4 couple De Ligue and probably the UCL too same as if he joins Bayern, Juventus or Barcelona.

But Mou with Spurs at this rate (personnel and funding) will probably win a trophy or two but the odds of retaining them will be slim unless Levy decides to splash the cash to upgrade the team. How do you go from Walker to Trippier to Aurier? In midfield, from Modric to Dembele to Sissoko? In attack, Kane has done well to replace Bale but then, Levy has not exactly splashed the cash.

chidexxy007:


Poch and Spurs priotizing trophy like they know how one smells even if its in their nose..

Check Spurs history, they have won a fair number of trophies; 8 fa cups, 4 league cups, 2 UEFA cup and a couple others. They have a thin squad that's why they have to prioritize which is more important.

footiemaniac:
OGS flirted with relegation with Cardiff(Championship Level Team) , while Poch flirted with relegation with Spurs( Champions League Finalist/Top 4 team), even Mourinho flirted with relegation the last time he was at Chelsea( Premier League winners), the 3 of them were eventually sacked.

But, the difference is both OGS and Mourhino have won trophies, inferior or not while the average Argentine Moyes (Pochettino) don't even have a trophy to his name both playing and managerial career. The difference is clear as Seven Up.

What was your opinion of Sarri before he joined Chelsea? Has your opinion changed now?

Talking about trophies, do you need any reminders how many trophies Unai Emery has won? Will you take him over Poch?

Oasis007:



.... Thought he's an indefatigable, irreplaceable, indomitable Representative of the Citadel on the United thread?!


Modified; you wanna do a Babcock?! I've quoted the original Post already.

Because of small debate you dey throw stones...Na why sometimes na read and pass sure pass...I have had lengthy discussions with Larride, Sinizia and a couple of guys here but not for once did there resort to cheap shots. If you have any rancor with airmark, face him squarely without referencing me.

patrickmuf:
Klopp priotized the UCL and league over the FA cup and Caraboa cup, he isn't a serial winner then.

Zidane cared less for the Copa Del Rey and LA Liga in a bid to keep his players fresh for the UCL and it paid off.

Most top coaches rather have a go at winning the league or UCL rather than local cup competitions. You think Pep won't throw the FA cup and Caraboa cup under the bus for a shot at the UCL?

Oasis007, you should mention me if you want a debate and stop making statements in the background. If you're asked to mention Top coaches who can guarantee you trophies today based on their achievements, I am sure you'd mention Klopp. The guy I responded to said serial winners don't prioritize trophies but he failed to understand that no matter how good a coach is, the size of your club will determine a lot in other words, when you hear serial winners, it's a combination of the coach, club and players.

Ancelotti with Madrid doesn't have the same expectation as Ancelotti with Napoli yet Ancelotti has won trophies throughout his career.

At Dortmund, Klopp winning 2 Bundesliga and reaching the UCL final is a big achievement. At Liverpool, he has reached the Europa League final once and 2 UCL finals in a row winning one and but not for the brilliance of City last season, he'd have done the double.

Mourinho in that season we won the Europa league had to prioritize competitions to get the best out of his squad.

When Spurs lost the FA cup semis to Chelsea, Rose came out to say they didn't have a bench. The strength of the bench can also be a determinant. For example, Pep can have a go at all four competitions without over stressing his squad because he has a large squad and the quality is there. At Liverpool, without Salah, they struggled against us so do you expect Klopp to use his best players for a Caraboa cup game against Arsenal when he has a crunch UCL game in midweek? I guess you'd reply"No" but at City, Pep can bring in Mahrez, Jesus, Gundogan, Cancelo, Bravo, Mendy, Stones etc See the quality of the players on the bench.

Let Pep join Napoli and let's see if he'll foolishly go all out for every title.

footiemaniac:
Any top manager that goes into any campaign prioritizing trophies, his NOT a Serial Winner. Now i see the kind of mentality he has and that is the main reason he has not won a spoon. He has already set himself for failure, we don't need that kind of mindset around Manchester united or manager that thinks he his punching above his weight just to get us to top 4 finish every season.

Pep won domestic treble last season and you saw how animated he was when he didn't get to the champions league final, he wants to win it ALL. That is the kind of manager we want,manager that wants to win all trophies/competitions he participate in. Manchester united is used to winning trophies and we are in parallel lines with Pochettino

Klopp priotized the UCL and league over the FA cup and Caraboa cup, he isn't a serial winner then.

Zidane cared less for the Copa Del Rey and LA Liga in a bid to keep his players fresh for the UCL and it paid off.

Most top coaches rather have a go at winning the league or UCL rather than local cup competitions. You think Pep won't throw the FA cup and Caraboa cup under the bus for a shot at the UCL?

Oasis007:



Left for People like you, our Midfield would have been filled up with Cleverlys.

Peace.

Oasis007:



..... Based on Stats, what are they Bro?!

You bought Layers (Chicken), coz you saw them laying well. Meanwhile, since you've bought them, despite feeding them well, they ain't laying even a Shìt, what are they pls Bro?!

Left for folks like you, Madrid should have disposed Nodric off after his first season...

Oasis007:
Bro..... You are being authoritative with your Submissions too much. Football is not Mathematics. No one expected Lamps to be doing fine in the League, yet he's doing wonders with Rookies at the moment.

Would you have predicted that Leicester under Rogers will be a real Deal for the Title this Season?!

Until you have the Job, no one knows how it's gonna pan out. Sir Alex, as genius as he's, expected Moyes to be a Success at United because of his pochitic performance at Everton. You and I know how it ended - Tears.

LvG with his Philosophy.... Failed. Mou with his Experience and Success..... Failed. Then how convincing are you that Sari without Cigarettes and Europa League Title to his Name will succeed at United?!

Well, if you saw Derby play last season then Lampard's Chelsea with better players won't come as surprise...

I am not being authoritative with my submission (s) here, we don't have the personnel to compete with Liverpool and Manchester City and you know it unless you are being economical with the truth.

Leicester always had it in them, last season, they gave the big teams a run for their money.

Oasis007:




..... Yet he squandered €60m on Bakayoko 2.0?!

Is Griezemann a flop? Hazard? Jovic?

Just try relocating from one state to another and see how difficult it is to settle down immediately...You think it's easy to move to a different country, league and culture? Give it time bruv.
Poch and Spurs had more success in the market than us.

Oasis007:
How many Years Poch had with Spurs?! Don't tell me he wasn't support financially by Levy, coz United ain't ready to spend recklessly again.

We ain't ready to spend yet we spent over 130m on our defense this past window...

And yes, Poch wasn't supported by Levy and even you know it.

Oasis007:
That's why I said he used Chelsea as a Ladder to clinch the biggest Job in Serie A.

In other words, Chelsea is a bigger club and it's easier to win titles with Chelsea than Napoli.

Poch in a big club will win titles. Truth is that even if Poch or at best Pep/Klopp joins Manchester United today, we won't win the league however our chances of finishing in the top 4 will increase. To win the league, we have to upgrade several positions in the team. Some of us are not happy with Ole because we believe with the players we have, we should be in the mix for the top 4 (3rd/4th position).

Oasis007:
Let's stop predicting Future as it suits our Emotion. The probability of Poch succeeding at United is low.

What are the Criteria to consider him a worthy Manager for the United Job?! A Manager with zero Title to his Name since 2009.

Sarri had how many titles before joining Chelsea? Napoli is equivalent to Spurs in Italy.

Oasis007:
Hesben would win Trophies with the same Barcelona Squad coached by Enrique Bro. Brendan Rodgers failed at Liverpool to become a god at Celtic.

He's back again and doing a Poch at Leicester City, guess what, he's made for average Team.

Brendan Rodgers wasn't a complete failure at Liverpool, he had them playing very good football and would've won the league bar that Gerrard slip. The major undoing of his reign was poor recruitment policy where average players were bought at ridiculous prices.

Oasis007:
..... And standard at United is what?! Can you vouch for Poch to win Trophies at United, especially League?!

If winning Cup Competition is all needed at United, neither LvG nor Mou would have been booted out.

Can we face reality? At our present level, the most we can hope for is top 4 finish. We will need a coach who has the capacity to build a good team for at least 2-3 years to correct the current defect in our team before we can talk about going toe-to-toe with Liverpool and Manchester City.

Oasis007:
Bayern would not have sacked Kovac Bro. He was like Poch at his former Club. Bayern Board saw potential but the Job is far bigger than him.

But he won the Bundesliga last season and would've done same this season irrespective of their slow start.

If the standard at Bayern was the league, Kovac wouldn't have been booted out.

Oasis007:
Winning a Cup Competition ain't the same with winning a League. Moreso, give Juventus to OGS and is likely to win Serie A as well.

The Question is; why did Sari leave Chelsea?! You and I know his Chance of winning the League is very slim. He simply used Chelsea as a Ladder to clinch bugger Job in Serie A.

As per Allegri, I never rate him. He's simply fortune to inherit a winning Team and he maintained the Streak.

You have validated my point. Poch did the most with that Tottenham team the pinnacle of which is reaching the UCL final. So when you say Poch is not a winner or not our ki d of manager, I'd like you to remember that a host of the names you'll find linked to us are coaches who benefitted from coaching the best teams in an otherwise weak league...Allegri, Tuchel, Valverde, Luis Enrique etc won't win any trophies with Spurs. Enrique failed terribly at Roma but won the treble with Barcelona.

It's the reason I give props to Klopp and Simeone who might suffer same faith with Atletico is he is not careful maybe then people will rush to reel out pathetic stats forgetting he grew that club to what it presently is...

footiemaniac:
Why you decided to pick on me for sharing my own opinion i don't know. You are the one deluded here, I don't speak with emotions rather with facts and stats. Your emotional attachment to Mauricio Pochettino has beclouded your sense of reasoning. If you think hiring Spanish Moyes we take us to the levels of Manchester city, Liverpool and other European giants then you need to have your head examined.

How does finishing in top 4 consistently without winning a spoon for 5 years equate to success in your own estimation i don't know. Daniel Levy is a proper football man and he knows that Poch cannot give more than the usual top 4 finish hence the sack. I repeat, Poch is an average manager and he needs to go elsewhere to reinvent himself and shouldn't be in contention for Manchester united managerial position at the moment. If you like, blow all the grammars in this world, this is my last response to you. Shalom

Suggest 3 managers out there better than Poch and let's see if they hadn't coached Barcelona, Bayern, PSG, Juventus, Madrid etc. The only coaches who have the right to speak when it comes to their achievements is Klopp with Dortmund and Simone with Atletico...If Poch coaches Juventus, Bayern, Barcelona or PSG, he'll win the league and most likely cup.

Oasis007:
Some Dudes really think United is Everton or Crystal Palace. If at all the Board wanna replace OGS, it should never be a Manager still learning the Trade.

United need very experienced, successful Manager to replace OLE not Moyes 2.0.

After watching Sarri win the Europa League with Chelsea after a lot of folks complained that he hadn't won anything of note at Napoli, I thought some of you would've learnt your lessons? Sarri came to Chelsea, a much bigger club and one used to winning and immediately won a trophy. He is now at Juventus and most likely he'll win the league...Trust you guys to bring his name up in 4-5years time as a serial winner.

Allegri that most people will promote won't do jack with our present team or you think if we get Pep today we will automatically jump into contention for the league? No...

It will take us at least 2-3 years under a manager that can build a team to stand a chance of competing with Liverpool and Manchester City. See how easy it is to see folks dropping names of Spurs players as if they were known commodities before Poch. A lot of those players have him to thank for where they are now, he has really improved them and it's a shame they couldn't fight for him when things got tough...

As someone said on Twitter, that for Spurs fans to be talking about not winning titles, it's only a pointer to how much Poch improved them...Spurs that were comfortable finishing 5th-6th...

Oasis007:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHwV__Umu-g

Trust YouTube Clip at your own Peril.

From those videos, he doesn't look comfortable on the ball. Check that Dani Olmo of Dinamo Zagreb and you'll see why he's already been capped by Spain. His ball contr3, dribbling in tight spaces, eye for the pass and spatial awareness is top notch. He'll most likely be snapped up by a big club soon but we'll still be here waiting for the big names.

You can go to YouTube and watch the full match between Salzburg and Liverpool/Napoli.

Leyqute:
What’s the percentage of young players who made it to world class level after dazzling in youth competitions?

YouTube is not enough bro. Have you seen Lingard on YouTube? He dazzles and zazzlels.

Hehehe I look beyond long range shots and all those odd moments of brilliance...Spatial awareness, ball control in tight spaces, dribbling, pace, vision and strength...Am I already sounding like Kagawa10? Lol

Leyqute:
Don’t tell me you judge players based on YouTube videos

If you saw Messi as a teenager on YouTube, you'd have seen the obvious talent, same as De Lima and many others. Some have flattered to deceive and it's with that in mind I said we take the risk that comes with young players like him...

Leyqute:
Let’s put a pin on the discussion about Salzburg and how they play in the Austrian league.

About his individual talent, I can’t give an honest opinion until I’ve seen him play a number of matches.

The first time I saw him was in the World Cup this year where he scored 9 goals vs Honduras. His team didn’t make it out of the group stage though ( after losing the previous 2- Uruguay & New Zealand) and he was the highest goal scorer of the competition.

He seems to be developing well in a familiar environment with the best team in the not so competitive league. The EPL is different.

I just haven’t gotten in on the bandwagon.

And yes. Radhford will benefit massively from a striker who keeps defenders occupied. We’re starting to see a different aspect to his games.

He’s been useless for us this past year, but maybe that is about to change. I seriously hope so.

At this point, clips showing his strengths (Ball control, spatial awareness, pace and strength) should do as we can't pass judgement based on the nature of the league he plays in but from what I have seen of him, if he develops the way he is going, he is going to be one of the best in the near future. I wouldn't mind of we took a punt on him.

I condemn the violence that characterized the election however this reportage looks biased. The politicians on the PDP side are also violent. Politicians in general are desperate and until the pecks of governance is reduced to the barest minimum and our electoral process reformed for electronic voting to take precedence over the sham of a process we have now, we will continue to witness this show of shame...

Leyqute:
It easier to be a striker playing against Liverpool and Napoli in the UCL. There’s less pressure on you to deliver and it’s likely you’ll get good chances to score because the opposition will leave lots of space behind.

Playing bus-parking teams like Wolves and Burnley week in week out where they’ll assign two defenders to be monitoring you up and down the pitch is harder.

Salzburg is about the best team in the Austrian Bundesliga thus he most likely comes up against teams that sit back but his numbers are still good.

My judgement is on his individual talent (Strong, pacy and technical) though which I reckon will suit the EPL. A player like him will keep opposition defenders on their toes leaving Martial and Rashford with space to exploit. Rashford has benefitted greatly from the return of Martial as he keeps the CBs of our opponents occupied leaving him 1v1 against opposition fullbacks most times, the point here is that Martial isn't even your most imposing or threatening CF.

paafin:
At 19, dude's a bully but more direct, pacy and an eye for a goal. He's got a better first touch too

For his height, he is quite fast and his dribbling technique is really good for his size. He plays in the Austrian Bundesliga some might say but then he hasn't looked bad in the UCL against Liverpool and Napoli.