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sonmvayina:
really why dont you write it down so we can update the bible with it...please ask him/her how we can get out of this recession..and if it is good to invest in MMM...Thank you..please upload the voice or video message..

It's an assumption that if God speaks His voice can be recorded. There are other sounds in nature that other animals naturally pick but it took us several centuries of scientific sophistication to pick. We were the ones not picking the sounds all along.
People who are not directly hit by bomb can still be killed by the sound waves generated that is beyond the limits of our ears to pick.

About MMM, if God tells someone something, it is in that person's interest. His or her case may be different from yours. For example, I have wanted to play the "Who wants to be a millionaire" home play before and God tells me not to. I won't go on the street to tell everyone not to. It's personal.

HOWEVER GOD IS REAL AND HE SPEAKS TO US. HE CAN SPEAK TO YOU TOO- IN FACT HE DOES, BUT RARELY IN AUDIBLE VOICE.

[size=14pt]Other Examples of God Speaking To Me[/size]

- I was in an executive meeting and the M.D. was talking about opening another branch somewhere and sending one of the staffs to handle the place. God lets me know that will be a wrong move and I tried to persuade the man not to make the move but he was so confident (I too didn't tell him God said so anyway). Well he ended up losing both the staff and all the investment in the branch.

- I thought my spouse would have someone she would marry already when I met her. God told me I was wrong and she later confirmed it.

- Someone had prayed that he wanted a divine confirmation of the course he would study to be sure and that God should use me for this (I won't advise anyone doing that anyway). It was computer science he was considering but just wanted to be sure. Immediately we met I "saw" COMPUTER SCIENCE written across his forehead before I knew why he came. That was wasn't what I cooked up.

- Someone went for a job interview and it looked very bad plus initially she was not interested (people have said the CEO of the company is wicked). Well, I told her what God told me when I asked about it: 1. She will be employed 2. It will be for her training to learn how to run a similar company and it will be a rigorous training.
SURE ENOUGH, she was employed and within 3 months (before six month when she was to be confirmed) she was promoted to head all the branches and to represent the CEO which led to her training to handle things only the CEO normally handles. The company is currently in her care under the CEOs watch.

... and so on. What you choose to believe can either help or limit you. God is real and He is my Advantage.

@ HopefulLandlord and the rest my question is directed to the demind- the OP. It will let me understand her.
I too could say my religion is not Christianity. Sometimes words have different meanings to different people. When she said " love your neighbour as yourself " she was still quoting Jesus.

If she denies the death and resurrection of Jesus or says Jesus is not Lord then that's something else. If she has ever been a Christian in the Bible sense and says those- she will know something goes dead or numb in her because we are not following carefully devised fables. God Himself by His Spirit witnesses with our own spirits that we are children of God. Anyone who argues it has not experienced it or is paying attention to the body and not to what happens deep down in his or her heart.

I didn't ask if it is natural.
Many things are natural but not normal
- sicknesses and diseases
- failure (just do nothing and you will fail- except when failure is the goal. So easy to fail yet something in us doesn't want to)
- fear, and we don't like how it feels at all.
- pain is natural but we know it often tells us something needs correction. And some pain are emotional; they show up in strange ways and even require a trained professional to help them REMEMBER the event that triggered it.

Statistics is scientific, not religion and it shows that only a very small percentage of the world populaion- less than 10% even in very liberal countries) are homosexual.

More than that are hypertensive and they may never have known anything is wrong if we had given up on research and we said it's just another variant of expression. Only complications gets people to hospitals.


Are we saying that because homosexuals don't feel distressed about it (is this even true?) then it is normal or are we saying it is reaĺly true that they don't cause other people distress?

Almost all homosexuals I have met did not feel that way until something emotional happened to them- sexual abuse/violence (regardless of whether homo- or hetero) or OTHER FORMS of abuse (both adult and children victims), seduction by homosexuals (they start longing for more only after first exposure), after incest experience, absence of father or mother figure in there lives growing up and so on.
It has not been proven homosexuality is genetic. In fact some researchers have said categorically that it is not genetic.
THE FACT THAT SOMEONE CANNOT REMEMBER HAVING THESE EXPERIENCES IS NO PROOF THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN. IN FACT, MANY PEOPLE'S MINDS GO INTO 'DENIAL' STATE YET THE SYMPTOMS SHOW IN OTHER AREAS OF THERE LIVES, IN STRANGE WAYS WHICH I'M THINKING HOMOSEXUALITY MAY BE ONE.

In view of the following, I'm not questioning whether or not it is natural but I do question if it is normal. Statistics says it is not. I believe the science community should stop persecuting those who think this way and desire to help those who want out of the lifestyle.
Some professors in Canada have even testified to their parliament that their is no scientific reason why homosexuality should be granted normalcy status and paedophiles shouldn't be (IF FOCUSING ON THE SEXUAL NEED OF THE ADULTS INVOLVED.) It's just like saying they should remain in abstinence for the rest of their lives. Those are the kind of things we get to see when we decide that something like that is normal while criminalizing others like it.

And don't get me wrong. There could be other causes, precipitating factors or triggers not related to the above but regardless of what these are, shouldn't homosexuality be regarded as normal?

What do you think?

MrMontella:
no it is not..
So long as the piraha people can exist naturally..without having a creator god..then it means atheism is natural...

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even without that..there have always been unbelievers...no matter how few..

cancer too is natural, does that make it normal? These are two different things.

Having said all, please answer my question: "Who is Jesus to you and what does Jesus' death on the cross mean to you?" Make it plain.

MrMontella:
The op's posts are a bit confusing..
Anyone else feel that way?

Me too

So to bemind my question is "Who is Jesus to you and what does Jesus' death on the cross mean to you?" Make it plain.

MrMontella:
the definition of atheism is simply----lack of belief..
A lack of belief ''comprises certainty and uncertainty..''.

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agnostic and gnostic atheism make sense so long as a religion can exist and have a theistic and an atheistic variant...
Hinduism has a theistic version and at the same time has an atheistic version..yet it is still hinduism..

1. Don't mix religion and believe together. They are not the same. Religion is external things done that is compartible what internal believe. So someone who believes in God but lives like he doesn't is an irreligious believer. An atheist whose way of life and activities match with those of theists (e.g. participating in rituals associated with some faith) is an IRRELIGIOUS atheist.

The English word religion is from the Latin word "religio" which means obligation. That's what you do because of what you believe and what you are, not what you believe.

2. A lack of belief in one thing is a belief in another.

MrMontella:
go check the piraha people...and come and tell me if they revere any creator God.

Go check all the other peoples and the history of the piraha. Atheism is as alien to humanity as living under water (pardon the imperfection of that analogy).

By the way ignorance is different from anti-theist believe. There are many things civilived peoole also use and talk about regardless of stand on religion that the Piraha people just have no clue of, will you say they don't believe in those things too- existence of atom, electronics, PlayStation, cloud technology etc

ever811:
the major problem you guys have is the love for arguments even where there is no need for it..

That's the only way an atheist can console himself and try to prove his believe has some basis although he knows it is unfounded.

MrMontella:
you know this is gnostic atheism naa...not necessarily atheism

One is either atheist, agnostic or theist. Gnostic atheism makes no sense going by definition.
And all are believes but only theists who claim God reveals Himself to people are the ones that makes sense because there is no other way you can make absolute statements like
- there is no God (atheists) or
- no one can know whether or not God exists
if you are not omniscient yourself (and no one has been proven to be)

UyiIredi:
SMH. You need to learn to write coherently. Then you can be taken seriously.

If this was about some other topic I'm not sure this will be your response.

When some says something important maybe you guys should learn to respond to issues without attacking persons. Topic is Hypocrisy in African Atheism, not English Grammar.

Atiku2019:
Recovered moors goes straight to the pockets of Buhari's Kitchen Cabinet Associates




#Atiku2019

You want to start it again? When will we stop recycling these people and try new ones.

ehispapa:
i am always scared when i see pics of Nigeria. that country is very backward and underdeveloped. i need not wonder why an average Nigerian never want to come back home after crossing the bother. what a rot!!

This is not all about Nigeria though we are still far behind. Seems you just get to see the negatives.

alBHAGDADI:
Any Muslims that helps a Christian is an anti-islam person cos he goes against the teaching of the Quran that warns not to make friends with Christians which also means not helping them.


“Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another…” Quran 5:51


“Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful – he that does this has nothing to hope for from Good – except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return.” Quran 3:28


“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are RUTHLESS to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Quran 48:29


So, no true Muslim will help a Christian unless the Muslim is ignorant of the Quran.

religion of urine

I have studied the Qur'an too. What I find is that in the final compilation of the many manuscripts from leaves, leather and other means of writing information down, there are verses that were abrogated that were still included so, depending on what you want to believe, you just take it and argue with other Muslims.

However, better to be an ignorant Muslim that follows love than to be both a Muslim and the truth you know if what will destroy others.

* I love Muslims, not Islam.

mmsen:
There are no 'witches' or supernatural powers.

How can people claim to have supernatural powers when they can't maintain a fully functional electricity network?

So who told you it is in their constitution or their ambition to do so.

By the way, it seems like atheists have something in common with some religious people who don't know their God: the believe that God should do it or God will do it.. when He already has given humans authority and brain. If anyone ever ask God to do what God given ability to do, such prayers don't get answered.

Niflheim:
@OP,

Rats are worshipped as "gods" in India!!!

True or False?

I'll repeat myself with some modification:

If YOU OR ANYONE need God to know that neither you nor the poo, the rat, or the sanitary pad is your God, then why did you think God gave you a brain?
The problem with many atheists is that they believe that to be religious is to stop using your brain.

I didn't write this post to argue with atheists. I wrote it to help those who know that it may be naturally impossible to know that God exists but their may be more to their lives and more to life than is naturally perceived.

enyi1:
Good.
But even better if this can be moved to the fp.

I hope the mods will do that.
Or what does Lalasticlacla have to say?

Niflheim, I didn't want to bother answering your question because it's obvious you're mocking in your own eyes.

But let me help you a little:

GOD DOES NOT DO FOR MAN WHAT HE HAS GIVEN YOU ABILITY TO DO FOR YOURSELF.

If you need God to know that neither you nor the poo, the rat, or the sanitary pad is your God, then why did you think God gave you a brain?

1. By making success answer to principles, not wishes;

2. By making individuals the determinants of their own success, not witches or even well-wishers

A Pastor who violates the principles of success as it relates to his field or any other area of his life WILL SURELY FAIL in that area, whether as a spouse, parent, or as a servant of God.

He can decide to say God is not real because he expected to succeed on his own terms. He can come on Nairaland to display his anger and ignorance or incompetence openly but it won't change God from being a loving and real God.

PRINCIPLES OF SUCCESS

Principles guarantee success for everyone. They provide a level playing field for all- no respect of persons- rich background or poor, young or old etc Working with principles make it possible for anyone to succeed.

Examples of Success Principles God Set In Place

1. DISCOVERY: You must be thirsty for knowledge- to search things you don't know out.

- Learn the the wisdom behind knowledge from those who have succeeded (MENTORSHIP)
- Be a reader, listener and good observer
- When you meet challenges that looks like obstacle, be intentional about finding out more, otherwise you can give up at the edge of your breakthrough.
The Bible tells us that it is God's glory to hide things but the honour of kings to search them out. HIDDEN THINGS ARE REAL BUT GOD DID NOT HIDE THEM FROM US, HE HIDES THEM FOR US- FOR OUR HONOUR.
It is those who search out hidden things that have honour reserved for them, not those who give up trying. That takes me to the second principle.

2. COMMITMENT:
Commitment separates those have DECIDED to succeed from those who just want to see if they can succeed in ANY area of life.
People walk out of marriages because they thought those who stay in it are either faking it or lucky. Same for people who walk out of their relationship with God or their desire to achieve certain results. Maybe those who succeed are just willing to pay the price you don't want to pay!

IF YOU QUIT BECAUSE YOU MET WHAT YOU NEVER EXPECTED RATHER THAN FIND OUT MORE (Discovery), YOU WILL END UP SETTLING DOWN WITH LESSER REALITIES OF LIFE. People who give up are the ones who talk bad about those who were willing to pay the price for success.


3.EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE:
It is your ability to work EFFECTIVELY with other people and be a good team player.
Team work and synergy are essential.
The leader is not the better, only roles differ.
Emotionally intelligent people are those who genuinely care about others(not self-centred), are confident but not condescending (they see good in others too); they keep their attention on the strength (not weaknesses) of their team members while accepting and working on their own weaknesses and they motivate others to do likewise.
They play their roles DILIGENTLY, confront obstacles with can-do attitude.
THEY ATTACK ISSUES, NOT PERSONS and they've learnt to SAY "Thank you," "I am sorry" and "Please".

4.EXCELLENCE:
An inward drive towards BECOMING better to do better.
People with excellence mindset are their own competitor. Their past is celebrated yesterday; today they want to be a better person and better in not just results(product) but also impact.

Excellence makes you see success as a journey rather than a destination. Excellence-oriented people are grateful for where they are but they don't think they have arrived.

5. PATIENCE:
I told a mentor once, "God did not answer me." He said, " 'Did not' or 'Has not' ."
Lack of patience has cost many their destiny. They always want it and want it NOW. Anything they won't get right away or on their own terms is not real..
Patience builds character in us which is what sustains your success when you eventually achieve it.

6. FOCUS:
Focus defines your priority. What you focus on is what you will see better and discover more about- whether negative or positive.
Focus helps you channel your energy towards getting results rather than trying to get people to believe in you, rather than trying to impress people. IF YOU DON'T LOSE FOCUS PEOPLE WILL EVENTUALLY SEE YOUR RESULT BUT IF YOU WAIT FOR THEM TO BELIEVE IN YOU FIRST, YOU SUCCESS MAY REMAIN AS A DREAM...

akintom:
Well, we can rest the God matter then, since it's all about blind and empty faith.

Christianity is neither blind nor empty. When people are blind, they don't see what is real. The evidence of God abounds but atheists see nothing yet they believe in their unreal idea. We experience God because we are not foolishly trying to dictate to God how He should reign in His domain, rather we seek to understand Him just like we do for everything that is important to us.

Akintom, I think you gave up too soon. You never get anything very important and long lasting when you give up. Not that others have not experienced the "nothing appeared" or "no answer" you hinted in your previous comment but, like every successful researcher who have discovered major things, they didn't give up and now they have a different story from yours.

* Your annoyance against God and Christianity is like a student who failed an exam that others passed, yet is insisting that the teacher was bad or "he failed me". The question is: why you? When people blame someone else (in your case God) for their failures (in your case not seeing God when you prayed) they are not ready for success.

* YOU THINK I must be a real human being because you experience me here. I am because I am: I don't need you to see me or believe I exist as human or even prove to you that I am to be so.
So what makes you think you have to see God to relate with Him? I'm sure you continued the discussion so far because you believed that I am real. There are real experiences you block yourself from or see in a wrong way about God and faith just because of what you choose to believe. It is a fact in human psychology that your believe- right or wrong- not only change your perspective but determines your experiences because it affects your choices.

And just like if you choose to believe I am a computer program because I don't reply you like you want or when you prefer doesn't change my status (others can prove your lack of faith as just an idea in your head because they've experienced my existence in stronger ways) so is your lack of faith in God. You are the one not living in reality and patient not patient enough to see God.

* Whether you believe in God now or not, you will still KNOW without doubt that He exist. If you continue in your rebellious unbelieving state you will not like that experience before the Judge of all. But you can't have everything when you want it.

The behaviour of many atheists can be compared to a boy throwing tantrum because the parent didn't give him something he so much desires on his own terms. Tantrum doesn't change who the parent is, though it can destroy things precious to both parties.

THINK ABOUT ALL. I REST MY CASE.

GoggleB:
Hmmmm.. Nothing we no go see for naija..
For GEJ regime cleaners they return money..
For PMB regime cleaners they steal bank money..

Maybe you should have said in GEJ's regime nobody got caught but in PMB's regime, they are all getting caught.

... Just another way you could see it, neither is completely correct.

dermmy:
He asked a polite question... We all know muslims can't do that all they know is killing and maiming for their imaginary allah.

Did you have Muslims in your classroom at all. Have they explained any topic to you, borrowed you book, helped you pick something that dropped, greeted you, told you sorry etc.. It doesn't have to be money to be kindness. Even if they've not done so publicly or they do the one they can afford to by the level of love they are exposed to, God honours it.

Let's stop spreading hate against Muslims. If you pray for them like Jesus taught us I'm not sure you will feel comfortable talking like this.

Human compassion supercedes religious affiliation. A mother doesn't have to be a Christian or Muslim to care for her child. Love is one deposit of God in creation that takes strong negative conditioning to suppress.

And yes, Muslims have helped Christians and they do everyday as long as they are seeing a human being and not a Christian in need.


NOTE: I'm an anti-Islam Muslim-loving Christian who knows Muslims are humans.

akintom:
I have done this "reveal yourself crap" when i was a Christian.

You know what i saw?........... Nothing !

God idea is completely a subjective concept, that bears no consequence on my life.

Why will i have to start wasting my time, looking for an inexistent ubiquitous irritant.

You don't want anyone to talk about your father like that.

Anyways, did you expect to SEE GOD APPEARING PHYSICALLY? He may, if that's what you needed. He has done that to many already and they will be witnesses against you if you say because you didn't see God He doesn't exist. But most people don't need to see Him physically. How were you a Christian in the first place if you didn't already know in your heart that God existed. Why do you need another evidence? To soothe you physical sense? Those who walk with the living God MUST do so by faith. That's how God designed His system to be and He will not change because of me or you.

Seun:
Tell us what you discussed with your father during your last chat.

What you need is a personal experience. Why do you think I should share my precious moments with God with someone who I think may be ready to mock it just because he lives with a different paradigm that makes him INTERPRET things differently?(I mean, put yourself in my shoes.)

It was meant to be private by the way.

akintom:
Is there a means by which you can, make me understand this?

Paradigm shift. From "there is no God" to "there is God" or, at least "God may exist and I don't just know it yet."

So the question is, "How can someone who honestly believes there is no God start to believe there is God?"
Simple, just assume for a moment that God may exist and accept that you ought to know God if He exists. If He exists, He should be able to hear you. So just honestly say, "God, I don't believe You exist but if You do reveal Yourself to me in a way I can't dispute."

When you are done, you can laugh about it and forget about it. At least if God is real, He should know what to do. And if He is not real, saying that shouldn't hurt.

thehomer:
Can you raise the dead? If not, which miracles can you perform?



You are serving an idea until you can show us this God of yours. How about when people pray for miracles and nothing happens?

1. I guess you should read the statements you quoted again because the answers to your questions are right there.

2. My God will show Himself to you if you are willing to know Him. I don't need to be in the picture. "You will seek Me and find Me if you seek Me with all your heart," that's what He said. The responsibility is on you to seek Him for yourself.

3. With a paradigm shift, things start taking on new meanings. Believe God exists and miracles happen first, then you can have the right frame of mind to understand why not everyone experiences miracles.

akintom:
"Seun I HONESTLY believe God is real. In fact, I know He is my Father. I don't understand what you meant by "honestly believe" but I'll like you to discuss with me because , by dictionary definition, I have no doubt I do. Awaiting your response to my questions"

Let's start from this very statement of yours.

Do you KNOW or BELIEVE that God is REAL.

Both. He is not just real. He is Father to me. Now, that's different from just saying He is my Father, which is also true. It's a description of my relationship with Him and experience of Him.. which takes you back to the definition of reality and idea.
Since we are from different paradigms, you won't understand what I just said except you are willing to understand. Arguing it doesn't change MY EXPERIENCE.

shotster50:
My friend stop drinking that zobo you are drinking... Do you know what kind of breakthrough that would be if it were true.?? Everybody and their dead mom will be lining up to get resurrected. The fear of death, of sickness will be forever erased because hey, we have these special people who can bring you back to life with a chant and a prayer.
Or is it not so?

They are not special people. God gives people ability to do miracles when someone who needs it dares to believe Him for it. So it is not about the person who raised the dead but about the person who believes that God can raise his/her dead back to life.

We are not serving a dead god or an idea to be argued about. Our God is a God of love who does miracles to help us where we can't help ourselves because He loves us. And it doesn't matter how wrongly you've talked about Him and how bad you've lived, He is gracious, full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy and He will answer you if you call on Him from the depth of your heart.

Seun:
The existence of God is not synonymous with the archbishop's ability to raise the dead. If the story is false, that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. If the story is true, that doesn't necessarily imply that God exists. These are different things.

Agreed. But the dead being raised THAT WAY is supernatural.

LightandDarkness:
First off in reality there is no such thing as nothing, nothing always leads to something. The big bang theory doesnt suggest something came from nothing, thats a misconception.

Yes designs can exist without intelligence, look at the Grand canyon. Its a geological feature produced by a combination of natural events, it can be considered as complex but yet has no creator. Similarly planets and stars CAN exist without being created.

Having ecosystems with order doesnt suggest a creator. Ecosystems contain species which interact with each other and find their places and roles nothing more to it than that. Nobel prizes in science are won for discoveries that revolutionize their relevant field, has nothing to do with the complexity of the discovery.

1. Give examples of how nothing ALWAYS leads to something.

2. The Big bang is theory and I didn't even consider that in my discuss.

3. A significant geological or geographical feature is different from a design. In fact, the word "design" suggests intention and intelligence. And I intentionally used the word "functional design". By the way, even if designs exist without being a direct act of intelligence or intention, they result as consequences of the operation of laws and principles that are used or abused, applied or misapplied. How can we have dependable laws and principles originating from a nonexistent source or even a source that that is not intelligent? The only reason scientific research exits in the first place is because these laws are there for us to rely on. And anytime we are ignorant of them, we make wrong conclusions(whether we are religious or not doesn't matter here) and that's if we survived the research. That's why we have "scientific discoveries" that have entered the archives as disproved "facts".

4. That something can exist without being created does not rule out the impact of a creator in its existence. I hinted on this in 3. above.

5. Surely there is more to ecosystem than the simple description you gave. Is the inanimate Sun among what finds its place and role? It's part of the interactions of the ecosystem.

Logic and rationalism doesn't answer everything. That's why we have terms like intuition and the likes. Atheists accept things that can't be rationalized in other forms of social interactions except when religion is introduced. That is inconsistent.