₦airaland Forum

tobechi74:
The average Nigerian is not sure of what to believe. The people who hold the power- security agencies and leaders are not telling the truth. Truth does not change. It is constant under various circumstance. Lies change.


If our representative were men of integrity, they would be careful in the usage of words, aspiring to be accurate without colouring . The DJ would not state for fact that which he is not sure. There is a difference between error and deceit. A man may be in error yet live bravely by it. He will boldly admit his error when he discovers his mistake.He who is untruthful in his life knows the truth but denies it.


There are rumors that family of the dead were threatened not to come out . A truthful person is courageous enough to stick to what he withnessed. He would not be honest when it pays and forsake honesty when it hurts. Truth is the shortest distance between fact and the expression of it.


Untruth creates conflict. Two lies breeds opposition and seek to destroy each other.

https://tobechispeaks./2020/10/23/game-leaders-play/

You have to be living under a rock if you are in Nigeria and don't think people will lie to protect themselves

utenwuson:
truth sha.... But there was a curfew declare, why are people still gathered

Since when was the legal consequence of failing a curfew, execution on the spot?

Myhusband:
I really feel ashamed if it's true that NA went to lekki with live bullets! It's sickening and barbaric if this is confirmed to be true


If DJ switch had been coherence with the numbers of people that died perhaps the world would have believe immediately, she should have reported and tell the world she can't precise with the figure that was drop dead


I think is height of insanity to bring in soldiers to lekki when riot police can easily handle this protesters

She was coherent, she said she saw 15 died through out.

But there was a fake account that claimed 78, I won't be surprised if it is a government sponsored account, paid to cause confusion.

They have done similar things before.

https://qz.com/africa/1545067/social-media-trolls-and-influencers-are-set-for-a-bitter-battle-in-nigerias-elections/

obehi247:
Everybody knows that all the white people in America, Austria and New Zealand have European ancestry and even speak English as a major language...

Now, if you ask this same people about their ethnicity or nationality, they well you the above countries stated above. Meaning, that are Americans, Australians and New Zealander, not Europeans

Bouns round:

Same goes for the white people in South Africa cities of Pretoria and johanisberg

Note that the European's now in Europe are not killing themselves insisting that they are all European's by force

They will say their nationality is American, Australian, New Zealand etc. But they will say their ethnicity is German, Italian, Anglo/English, Boer/Dutch and so on.

However, this is still somewhat of a good argument on your part given that many of the people that will say their ethnicity is Irish for example only speak English, however when we look at the genetic make up of let's say Irish Americans it always comes up as majority Anglo/English but with a clear famous Irish ancestor.

If we graft the same with Ikwerre, it would just mean that they had a famous Bini ancestor that they all identity with but are genetically mostly Igbo. However, that is just a hypothesis to be tested.

But personally, Ikwerre can be Bikerre or Iwhuruosa or what ever they want, ethnicity is based more on current identity and culture than genetics. But they shouldn't start changing history to fit their agenda if that is it, they should just say that they are Ikwerre and not Igbo.

valirex:
Lemme ask you this, we have many young generations in Nigeria now that can't speak their languages but speak English fluently does it make them British?

At seme border we have Nigerians who speak French at the Cotonou in Benin Republic we have people who speak English as well.
It's common to speak languages you share border a with.

In the video they asked them to speak THEIR language, to speak Ikwerre Language and they spoke a dialect of Igbo.

If I ask a Nigerian that can't speak the native languages to speak THEIR language, they will say the can't speak it. They win speak Pidgin and say that is their people's language.

South East is NEVER getting presidency

obehi247:
IPOB are making people from Igbo ethnic group look stupid, uneducated and a complete illiterate...







From the west of Edo State, you have yuroba Edo mix-up in cultural and traditional settings...

Their are traditional title in Edo State with title oba, I am not talking about the oba of Benin







From the east of Edo State, you have Igbo Edo mix-up in cultural and traditional settings...

Their are traditional monarch in Edo with the title igwe





Bouns round:







The word Ado-ekiti mean people from Edo or royalty's from Edo. Now are the Ado-ekiti people Yoruba or Edo? Please answer this question for me

Their argument is that Ikwerre language and culture is Igbo.

Just from this short clip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFEQzqlaA1I

We see that when they go around asking Ikwerre people to speak their language it sounds little different from the Orlu and Aro dialects from Igbo.

If you ask the Yoruba or the Igbo in Edo and Delta State to speak their language will they start speaking Edo language?

Basic just is that using GPS data that phones automatically store when you are streaming, they have confirmed that the pictures of the dead shown on their Website and by protesters affiliated with the #EndSARS protest are from Lekki tollgate from around 7-8.

Also they ran the numbers on the carriages through a data base and they are live annumitions, not blanks and bought from Serbia.

'They pointed their guns at us and started shooting'
How a bloody night of bullets and brutality quashed a young protest movement


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/18/africa/lagos-nigeria-lekki-toll-gate-feature-intl/index.html

Living Jokes

obehi247:
Igbo people would be insulting people from the north and would always say that, they are not educated. Igbo people are not even educated enough to call northerners illiterates...

My reasons:

(1) The Edo and Delta people were in the western region and after the mid west state was created, the Edo and Delta people went their way and the yuroba people also, went their way. Now can we say because they were once together, the Edo and Delta people are now and must be Yoruba people....

(2)Edo and Delta people also, splits and now, different states. Can we say that they are still and must be yuroba people...

(3) Ikwerre people were under the Easter region and now, they have their own state, can we say that they are Igbo people by force and by must...

The reason i have to break down my write-up is because, some Igbo people would still find it difficulty to understand what a nation is all about

This is a stupid argument. By your logic can you answer why Igbos aren't saying Ijaw are Igbo even though they were both in Eastern region.

Benesis:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_book-burning_incidents

Weak evidence.

Benesis:
lols
you make it sound as if Christianity had anything yo do with the ending of slavery, far from it, Christianity supported slavery...
and the dark age in world civilization history where the period that Christians controlled the world, destroying anything (books, architectures and relics) and anyone (scientist, philosophers and independent thinkers) who stood in the way

And you literally still believe renaissance dark age myth. Fine, "dark ages" Europe paled in comparison to alter eras but that is to be expected in a region that continued it growth from the "dark ages" without catastrophic invasions to disrupt them.

There was some intentional destruction of classical art works but much, much more was presented only by the intentional preservation work of Monks and Churches. Compare what we know of pre-dark age Europe vs pre-dark age Ancient Greece, pre-dark age Axum or pre-dark age Maurayan India and you will see the Stark difference in volume of what was preserved.

We literally have works from Aristotle, Caesar, Lucian of Samosarta and many, many other works that were preserved through dark ages Europe, while after ancient Greece went through its dark age, it libraries vanished and written language gone, when Axum went through a dark age almost all written down records of Axum went, when India went through a dark age, we basically forgot that one of its greatest Emperors, Ashoka the great, ever existed.

Without intentional and expensive work by the Church and monistaries to protect pre-christian knowledge, the same would have happened in Europe and we would barely know a thing about Rome.

Except at worst anything the Christian governments did was stop supporting Pagan schools, schools of which had stopped innovating for centuries, like name any Greek scientist that invented something or some new idea wasn't from the ancient Era, the closest we have was a Christian that gave our first recorded example of experimental methodology in knowledge (so closest ancient thing to a real scientist).

The Pagans weren't even banned in the East before they disappeared and in the West, they weren't the ones associate with any sort of "science". Like for example Charlemagne had to issue laws in the newly conquered Saxons territories to stop Witch accusations and lynchings. Is that the supposed "science" that was in opposition to Christianity?

By the time that there was any official law making Paganism illegal in Christian states in the West, was during Charlemagne's regin. Before then the worst was to be banished from the centres of power, even the first few examples of people killed by the state for exposing heretical thought were against the Church's recommendation and done under what was already considered illegal by secular authorities. (Usually accusation of using sorcery against people, which was a civil offence in the Roman court among many other peoples as well, including the Mongols and Chinese).

Or in other words, by the time that being one of your "anyone (scientist, philosophers and independent thinkers) who stood in the way" those practically didn't exist in the boundaries of Christian states and we're more subversive foreign elements.

Tranquill:
Feel betrayed by who? You think they really believe Ikwerre is Igbo, or they are making their claim out of love or brotherliness? It is just out of desperation to tie themselves with the South South for their demonic biafra, so they can start creating disaffection among the various ethnic groups and have the chance to be doing worst than what they are presently accusing the northerners of doing. I have even heard some of them saying that Ebonyi people are not Igbos and this I heard from people that you'll think are really educated. Watch out and see if especially Anambra and Imo people will support Ebonyi person for president. Some of us have lived and studied with them even in their towns/villages.

I mean, they are not a hive mind, they are individuals. Just because a few if them think Ebonyi is not Igbo doesn't matter when almost all of the rest of them say the opposite.

helinues:
Those ones are more like jokers.

They don't really know what they want.

Today Biafra
Tomorrow Restructuring
Next tomorrow Nigeria president

People that say Biafra say Restructuring or Biafra but they are different from the ones that say Igbo presidency. There are also ones that only say restructuring.

helinues:
Which of the South?

Be precise

Those Igbos that keep blaming north for all their woes

Trumpism:
The north is not your problem but you are the problem to yourself

Separate Nigeria so that South can stop blaming North for all its problems

valirex:
Good ideal, I like this

Support restructuring. This and going back to the original 3 regions are the main popular ideas of restructuring. Support restructuring and support this idea.

Afamed:
The question is where are the pictures of those 15 bodies?

Definitely she can't escape this

They were literally in the videos.

valirex:
And what you're regions are these?

As I said, based off the current geo-political zones. Igbos are locked off in South-East, Yorubas are locked off in South-West and Hausa are locked off in North-West.

There will be some adjustments, Igbos in neighbouring regions (like Anioma and Ndoki) should join S.E, Fulani and in North-East will join Hausa and the minorities on the peripheries of South-West will join North-Central or South-South depending on which is nearer.

prekumohtim:
If you must leave Nigeria, leave in Peace without dragging Niger Delta along with you. Niger Delta also
deserve their freedom. River state is made of different people, not just ikwerre. We have the Ijaws, Ogoni, Ikwere ...so many of them. This is not for the benefit of Eastern Nigeria but for the benefit of Niger Delta. Your eyes are only in Rivers state because of the oil. Take your five states and move on

Their eyes is on rivers because they had been told for years that Ikwerre are their brothers that didn't believe they were actually their brothers so they feel betrayed

valirex:
Where the WAZOBIA will be the majority? We say no to this, let's do it by Ethnicity

If we do it by the current geopolitical zones, WAZOBIA will be isolated into their own regions and the minorities will have their own 3 regions to themselves.

Afamed:
Fake account my foot. She should come out to defend her lies. From 75 to 50 down to 15 and again down to 7. The idiot should come and defend her lies. Truly she's DJ witch

No, she said 15 in the Livestream and her follow up video

amc:
The problem is some of you are trying so hard to cover for her lies.

The girl is a liar and a paid agent to destabilise Nigeria.

Even if she never claimed 78 died as you said, there has been other inconsistencies in her stores.

She is still claiming that the army killed some protesters and then the police came later to kill some more. In fact, she said SARS came later to kill.

She told ex CNN reporter Isha Sesay that she and some protesters carried 15 bodies and dumped them at the feet of the soldiers. She said she gave the list of those dead to a CNN reporter. She then told Canadian Parliament that she counted 7 shot down. So which is which?

In her live Instagram stream, she told the whole world they were removing bullets from someone's leg. The same bullet casing she presented in one of her videos.

In the same live Instagram stream, she claimed the army set fire to the toll gate to prevent them from leaving. She was screaming fire here, fire there. Was it the army who also set fire to the Ikoyi Bridge toll gates and adjoining building?

The gilr needs help before it destroys her.

There was another protester in the video that said SARS was there.

And in her follow up video she showed the shells, when channelstv came that same Night, they too showed the shells of the bullets.

We have the videos of them removing bullets from people's bodies.

Upon all this, una no wan believe but when government say them kill Boko Haram with no proof but their talk, una go believe.

Yeah, she said 15 people not 78

Useless bulldog


South wants restructuring not Presidency

amidel:
Op, we don't understand ourselves in this country. We're all catching cruise.

No 7: Nigeria will be great again.
No 9: He's the most righteous on NL.
No 10: Lala is the G.O.A.T of NL and Nwa was becoming a competition to lala

It was never great in the first place. It was the slave of Britain and couldn't even fight for independent.