₦airaland Forum

Fineman87:
The price of onions will not defend you from enemies. You need to separate food from defence. Go and hustle for yourself okay.

Which enemy are we Afraid of that will come and attack us from Ocean!

The only issue here is that there are lot of Ikwerre people that will say they are Igbo and are of Aro descent.

It seems there will soon be a schism and not just a leaving. Bikerre/Iwhuruosa will stay Bini and Ikwerre will stay Igbo.

helinues:
Why do you Easterners like to pokenose into things that shouldn't concerned you?

Why not mind your region.

Hiss

And why do you Government stooges always have problem with the South being in unity?

Benesis:
How were they Christianized? Socrates Predated Jesus, and the greek golden age of pericles predated Jesus.. And Egypt at the height of its glory predated even the Greeks, so how fo u say greece and egypt where christisnized

I think you are ignoring where I wrote "every post-christianity", Yes anicient Greece and Egypt were Civilizations before Christianity but almost(in the historical sense) as soon as Christianity appeared, those regions became Christian and the projected quality of life of the inhabitants of those regions were better in that early Christianity period than during their ancient Civilization periods. (Although this is as much because of cumulative improvements in technology since the ancient period).

Most of these Civilizations in their ancient incarnations were worse places to live in for the average person than in their Christian incarnations. The majority of the population of Greece were slaves in Ancient times and Ancient Agricultural techniques that Egypt used were back breaking.

Benesis:
Not true, most where polytheistic.
Greek, Egyptian, Norse, etc

Norse won't really be considered a Civilization by the stricter definition until they converted and I said post-christianity.

Polytheistic Greek and Egyptian civilization were long Christianized by then and all their main competition (Zoroastrians, Confucians, Dharmic) were all Monotheistic or Pantheistic (One God but many manifestations)

Rgade:
The greatest pioneers of ancient civilization were actually pagan countries and idol worshippers.

Post Christianity basically every advanced state, except maybe the Hindus were some version of belief in a unitary supreme being/force.

Ibadansun1:
He forgot western civilization which people mistake for Christian civilization is a stolen one.

They stole Architecture from the East

Stole Music and rythem from Africa

Stole Food and spices from far east etc.

This isn't really an argument, everything is inspired from somewhere else and "nothing is new under the sun".

It applies to everybody, every invention is an adjustable on something previous.

Amotolongbo:
argumentum ad ignorantium.

Civilization had started far back, a very long time before Christianity.

Depends on your definition of civilization, the older standard definition would say yes to just about every region that became Christian post 350 AD

YouAreFinished:
You smell like MagicBishop
You're telling Scientists what is real science or fake one
There is a difference between gender and sex by the way.

And you talk like scientists are ever united on any issue.

Empiree:
Nigerian govt needs to review church curriculum bcus it seems to me you are taught nothing but hate in your bible school.

You know I hear similar things from Christians sometimes when they describe Muslims, at least I know it is mutual dislike.

But fret not, Churches generally don't teach open hatred, even for those they consider abdominable sinners like the Homosexuals.

However, I do find more consistency in the Christians that consider Muslims hateful than vice versa, they are always willing to propose that this problem be solved permanently by letting the Muslim and Christian majority portions of the country go their own ways.

What is your solution to "hateful" Christians. And if it is anything like "Christians should not be hateful", it is a juvenile answer, telling people to "just be nice" has never solved anything.

Empiree:
It seems you have never read Christian manifesto before?. Go and read it in the thread on my profile you commented on.

To brief you, it says Christians must use every means to convert Muslims to Christianity including but not limited to using money to entice Muslims. So I am not a fool. The pastor is a kidnapping terrorist. Christians don't do anything for free.

Link the manifesto to me then.

If anything I hear the reverse from Christians about Muslims. It seems like Nigerian Christians and Muslims have built an image of the other as the same kind of enemy creature.

So, how does one join?

Empiree:
The best Christian sect is not up to lowest standard of Islamic sect.

Lol, I guess Boko Haram are righteous upon all the girls that they have raped.

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian, I think Christianity should be banned in Nigeria. We Christians are causing too much problems in this country unlike our dear Muslim brothers

The full story :-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ8K1Qk8nSI

https://www.legit.ng/1357951-19-year-girl-missing-7-years-reappears.html

And the real proposal will be for Christian and Muslim Nigeria to split, if you are born again you will know that born again Christians will never give up their religion.

Empiree:
You see, you are still wrong to support him. In this dangerous world, he should do the right thing by taking her to the authority. I just posted the same story about Christian girl who ran away from her wicked parents who are pastors. Muslims returned her to her parents to avoid issues like this. That's transparency. It happened in the North.

So in this case, if her parents aren't good, pastor should have look for other family members. This is kidnapping in the eyes of the law. Good samaritan is by reporting to the police and let authority handles it. But because Christians have agenda from day one, they take advantage of every opportunity. The same thing they do when they see poor Muslims on the street. They will never do anything for free.

Fine except for your later "Christian Conspiracy" part of the post I see your point. I still think MURIC's spokeman's article is horrible shit, the person that talked with LegitTV makes far more sense.

To keep the peace, avoid providing justification for worse actors and promote general societal wellbeing, he should have contacted the authorities as soon as possible, however any prosecution of the matter should be relatively linieant to take the complexity of the matter into consideration.

CharlesSammy:
80% of pastors in Nigeria dosen't preach about repentance

How come pastor Ganger wanted to convert someone forcefully ? Sounds fishy

More details

https://www.legit.ng/1357951-19-year-girl-missing-7-years-reappears.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ8K1Qk8nSI

habymi:
hypocrite' I know they'll still come here to defend d pastor instead condemning d act.

honestly I don tire for Muslims and Christians matter for this country

https://www.legit.ng/1357951-19-year-girl-missing-7-years-reappears.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ8K1Qk8nSI

MURIC presented the story in a very biased manner.

Empiree:
obey the law. This is kidnapping regardless of good things he did. How intention was clear, to convert her to Christianity and cover his track with "good deeds". Go and read stories of kidnapping in US how a kidnapper stole a baby in 1998 from hospital and raised her until she was 18. She gave her education and she lives good life too.

But the woman (kidnapper) robbed the baby of her identity. It was still considered kidnapping under the law. She was caught and now serving 18 yrs behind bars. Stop giving excuses. If pastor was Muslim your guys would be different. He robbed this girl of her religious identity.

A girl ran away from her home because of whatsoever unspecified hardship that was there, when she became lost, confused and scares she went to ask the pastor for help, he took her in and provided that her, it was she that initially by herself refused to go back initially because of the hardship of her home.

Like I don't know about the other cases that MURIC referenced, maybe those were justifiably horrible cases but this one isn't.

At least I understand why Nigeria lacks good Samaritans.

modsfucker:
We know that Yunusa Yellow was arrested and jailed because of Ese Oruru.

Tell me one Christian culprit that was even arrested, not to talk of jail, not even those who abducted small children from Kano to Anambra and converted them to Christianity and changed their names.

Double standard kee you there

Pls link to that story.

But the story that birthed this post is a lie, they even interviewed the girl and it is completely different story.

Honestly this story just annoys me, at least now I know why Southerners don't take MURIC seriously.

After seeing comments filled with whataboutism I was honestly angry, like we should push for justice in every case and not let pre existing enemity stop it, but looking at other sources and a video by journalists interviewing the supposed victim, this is bullshit.

The Article

https://www.legit.ng/1357951-19-year-girl-missing-7-years-reappears.html

The Video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ8K1Qk8nSI

She ran away from home, she was vunrable and homeless and she approached a pastor and ask for help.

In summary she said that, she said she ran away from home. She was treated well, taken to school. And then she chose to return to her family.

But now MURIC wants to frame it as abduction. At least I now know why good Samaritans are so hard to find in Nigeria, they are too scared of this shit.

aribisala0:
Name these metrics? They exist only in your zealotry

Language

Culture

Names of deities

Migration patterns (Many Ikwerre will tell you themselves that they are Aro the same way others amongst them will say Bini)

aribisala0:
There is no such historical classification of people as Igbo. before the creation of Nigeria.

The Pan Igbo identity is a creation of Nigeria


Aros sold many people who tday would be "Igbo" as slaves through Calabar and never saw those they sold as their people

So what?, Slavs, Greeks, Hausa etc. Fought each other and sold each other into slavery even while they had unified cultural identities, so Aro slaving isn't evidence of anything.

But you are kind of right, but only kind of. Igbo speaking peoples have for a very long time been identified as one group, even though the individual clans would identify more with their clans, the same dynamic happened historically with the Romans and Germanic tribes.

As such many people local and foreign identified the Igbo speaking people as a group even though the won't all have necessarily have done so themselves. But the manifestation of the Igbo ethnicity as a coherent tribe is also an Igbo decision not an imposition, few decades before independent, Igbo scholars educated in the western model went around telling their won people how the outside world saw them Igbo speaking peoples as one ethnicity and the rest is history.

Also the Hegemonies of Nri and later of Aro would influnece primarily and almost all of the peoples today considered Igbo.

So Igbo identity didn't come out of no where even if it wasn't as coherent before.

zinizta:
Language doesn't determine ancestry.

Black Americans speak in English but that doesn't make them genetically Caucasian.

Which is exactly what I said. Ikwerre speak Igbo but their ancestry isn't necessarily Igbo.

Because Nigeria was designed to have its centre of power in London

HAccord:
Oga let's forget all these patronizing gesture. Ikwerre (Iwhuruoha/ Iwhuruosa) are not Igbo, we know it, they know it. The only problem is that took our names without our permission. That's why we have this quagmire.
An Ikwerre man who came to seek a job in my company identified himself as Arochukwu man because he grew up in Abia. He knew he wouldn't get the job if he identified as an Ikwerreman because Ikwerre youths are known to have very bad work ethics and temperament. He ended up stealing from the company, we only got to know when the police traced him to his village in Ikwerre LGA.

The fact they can easily switch their identity whenever they like in order to profit from it is what they seem to be enjoying like chameleons.

Wike himself cannot claim not to have heard people call him an Igbo man before 2019 elections but he kept quiet because Igbo identity was beneficial for him to win 2019 elections.
Elections are gone now and he is back to being a non-Igbo man. If he were that confident, he should have made all these anti-Igbo comments and behaviour before 2019, let's see how far he would have gone. Very dubious thug.

Let him use Rivers billions to import Bini teachers to teach Ikwere people their forgotten forefathers' language, he has only 3 more years to do this. E nor suppose hard na.

Any historical document that identifie all the other people today called Igbo as one group will also include Ikwerre as Igbo. They only really started not liking the name Igbo after civil war.

Maybe it is because of their "bad work ethics and temperament" maybe it is because of they are in another state (on this front I have seen people try to say Anioma are not Igbo but Anioma always say they are Igbo), but before 1969 anybody that will identify Igbo as an ethnic group will include Ikwerre there. Maybe as you said they just said they were Igbo for politics but similar things have happened like in Yorubaland, Egba didn't used to be called Yoruba but now are. Maybe the reverse happened with Ikwerre.

However, as I said before, if they don't want to be Igbo nobody will force them, we have said this before and if other Igbos too agree that Ikwerre are no longer Igbo, they should be permanently booted out.

HAccord:
Igbos are not forcing ikwerre minorities into any alliance. They are the ones stealing Igbo language, names and identity. When they commit crimes at the national or international level, people will say 'omo Ibo don commit another one'. The whole of the Igbo race bears the brunt. So Igbos need to be very concerned. These Ikwerres are descendants of Bini people who migrated during the slavery era from the Bini empire or even possibly with some traces of yoruba genes, yet they are keen bearing Igboid names.

The solution- Relinguinization of Ikwerre ethnocultural system. It can be done. Even Rotimi Ramaechi have shown them they can start renaming themselves to do away the vestigates of Igbo toga little by little.

Wike can start by budgeting like 200 billion for the project and incentivizing his Ikwerre people. He can say, any father renames his child with a Bini name gets 1 million naira. If you are Ikwerre and has a child bearing Emeka and renames him Osahon, you get 1 million naira, if you have 5 kids, that's 5 million naira. This would do a lot of magic. Even N100,000 per child will help the re-bininization revolution in a massive way.

Incentivization worked during the civil war when Gowon and Fulanis allowed them to keep their lives for denying to be Igbos, it would still work today and will help stop all these confusion and put to rest the quagmire and everyone will be happy.

By every metric applied universally to all Igbo peoples but personal identification, Ikwerre are Igbo. Anioma and Onitsha probably have more Bini admixture than them, pre-colonial documents call people of those region Igbo.

But if they don't want to be Igbo again, fine, their choice.

osarog:
For the fact that my language sounds like Igbo language doesn't mean I'm Igbo. People should understand this.

Ikwerres are not Igbo.

I get that Ikwerre don't want to be called Igbo but Ikwerre doesn't sound like Igbo, it is Igbo. There is more difference between Orlu and Umuahia Igbo than between Orlu and Ikwerre. Ikwerre language is Igbo but you can always be different ethnicity.

thebosstrevor1:
Nowadays, there have been an increase in the number of people admitted to study gender studies, some universities try to promote gender studies as some kind of science or some kind of field that studies the relationship between gender aka women, queer and society.

The reality is gender studies is a scam set up by marxists idealogists to blame men for every thing wrong in society.

In gender studies, they claim gender is a social construct meaning nobody is born a man or a woman, people just become either man or woman. If i might ask these people, what sort of science is this?

When you go through this so called discipline, you start seeing the agenda, the agenda isn't to educate the students but to brainwashed people with fake science that can easily be debunked in real life.

I mean, I agree but what does this have to do with anything happening in Nigeria?

Has this been confirmed?

I am generally not in favour of divorce but nobody should have to die over it

Starzo:
south has bandits,Boko Haram and almajiris??
guy nawa for u o
more than 90% of the beggars on the streets of southern states are either from the north,niger republic or Lebanon

I am very sure I have seen Southerners begging in the street. The country hard for everybody.

South no get Boko Haram equivalent fine, but the issue with Boko Haram is insecurity and South has insecurity issue as well. Kidnappers, Secret Cultists, Gangs etc.

Illiteracy also still exists in the South, although at much lower levels than North.