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9jah:
I do apologize if I came too strong-I’ve read your post but no one is perfect,we are just a biological being and from evolution we swim like a fish -I work everyday in scientific research-You can believe anything you want but don’t bring it into my scientific laboratory-I do apologize if I came too strong but between you and I we can disagree to agree thank you-One love

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It's alright Bro though you didn't offend me in anyway
One Love

Peace be unto you

9jah:
I only wanted to be a good intellectual free teacher to your nomadic brain about how evolution works -You can’t afford me ,so I’m not obligated to give you an APA written feedback-Religion is the worst thing that have happened in Africa -We stopped thinking and using rational evidence every day because of someone told us about a book and sky god with no evidence,that’s what faith is ,,,, believing without evidence,who live like that -I run diagnostics every day with evidence in America-Why can’t you live yourself with facts not fiction. Thank you -I believe in human race and I’m happy with some intelligent people here -If your mad because your delusional all of us are not mad -We have read and studied your Koran and your bible-It’s a good literature like Shakespeare but fictional -That story have told over and over again before the time of Christ -Just do a simple research-I’m not paid to teach you but religion is nonsense-Believing in something without evidence in this 21st century -Oyibo used that ideology to enslave Africans ,take your resources,your dignity for 400 years while they go the moon and go to space and may be to find another planet like mars and your here talking about nonsense (Jonah eating by a fish ) I can’t condescend so low to your level my brain have evolved-Keep living your lives like a nomad a scribe that ride on a donkey-I’m a modern man -Civilized human and I think for myself -Tell your god to kiss me black ass!!!

Isn’t it funny that when people are exposed, they give emotional response as defense instead of critically examining themselves? I said your ‘research’ is poorly written and the fact you feel if anyone does not agree with your assertions, the person will “…end up being mentally enslaved, myopic and… won’t reason for… himself”; does not automatically make you Einstein or Newton. Again, the whole article is just mumbled and jumbled and you claim you want to teach us how evolution works. I am sure that informed and up to date folks would laugh at your posts. This was why I advised you to read about Heackel’s fraudulent drawings. I am so sure you didn’t even read it before responding, else you should have seen that your fish-human similarity post won’t be necessary.

We don’t need to trumpet about knowledge as it is readily available now and that’s why it is so funny when folks that hate God seem to claim monopoly of knowledge. Worse, they assume that you can’t think or reason well if you belief in God and they wrongly equate atheism to science. This is just sheer ignorance. Maybe folks like you need to study history of modern science to know that Christians were largely founding fathers of modern science and see the percentage of ‘ignorant and delusional’ Christians that have won the most prestigious award in science – The Nobel Prize.
You accuse Africa of stopping to think because of “…a book and a sky god with no evidence” but those who introduced it to Africa actually flourished and birth the science that you scream about. Now, is the problem with the book or with Africans? Again, what is your definition of ‘stopping to think’? does believing in God means one has stopped thinking? If yes, then are you a better thinker than all the Christians that have won the Nobel prize or all the Christians that discovered, invent and propound laws which made life easier.
This is a FACT: RELIGIOUS BELIEF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR INTELLECTUAL ABILITY
You can be a master of your field weather you are a theist or atheist.
That someone does not belief in evolution does not make him a lesser scientist than one who calls himself an evolutionary scientist.

I’ll advise you stop your boastings as they are just funny. From your posts, I can assess your reasoning to some extent and it is not impressive. You thinking you “…can’t condescend so low to (my) level as (your) brain has evolved” is just an empty boast seeing that you are not even well informed in what you want to discuss. Your biasness and sentiments should be dropped if you want an intellectual discussion. It should be an honest approach in search of truth.

FlipModeSquade:
All you need is a cursory glance at the Bible to realize that it is full of inconsistent fallacies..
Take away the veil of faith covering your eyes and you will see that the Bible is a child's story book..

I don't know what you want to refer to as 'inconsistent fallacies'. But a good study of the bible shows that it is more coherent for a book that was written by about 40 authors of different works of life and over a period of 1000 years. The problem we have is that folks are one sided which the Bible itself disagree with. Many ONLY read about inconsistencies and wouldn't care to see if those have been addressed. This is exactly what makes the Bible strong.
Many criticize it because it contains stories of miraculous acts but denying that miracle happens is denying an obvious truth. How are the miracles (improbable events) in the bible worse than the following 'miracles':
1. There was NOTHING; no time, matter and energy, yet NOTHING exploded and produced time, matter, energy and the laws which govern them
2. At a point in time, lifeless chemicals assembled themselves and create code for how they should operate; making the most sophisticated 'machinery' ever known - the so called first cell
3. These chemicals miraculously produced mind and intellect, language and so on.

A child story book should not be able to accurately and constantly predict events
A child story book should not have the ability to change hard line criminals to saints

I don't know how you come to your conclusion about the Bible but I would suggest you study it with a clear conscience and an open mind. You should be able to see clearly that it is not what you think about it.

Peace be unto you

EmeraldKing7:
Bro many theories on the use of the Appendix have arised but till today,fact remains that the Appendix is literally useless in the body... that's why we can live without it

I stand on my ground that it's an an evolutionary trait we acquired from our from previous specie...

As for your claim on Antibiotics resistance look down bro.

That of course is a redherring. My argument was that due to dogmatism of evolution, it was believed for so long that appendix is a vestigial organ. Now, we know that it is not a vestigial organ but actually has a function. Just as junk DNA was popularized because it would add credence to evolution but later found out that functions of most are now known.
Also, you should know that recent studies show a link between removal of appendix and Parkinson's disease. Just like many observation in Physiology, it will need more studies to completely verify it.

"...acquired from our (your?) previous SPECIE"?

It is a Bait-and-Switch tactic to call change evolution. Antibiotic resistance of bacteria does not turn them to another organism. The principle involved is well known and I will give a simple analogy. Studies have shown that those with the AA genotype are susceptible to malaria attack which could be deadly. A mutation caused it to have a another shape (SS) which the malaria causing parasite cannot bind to again. If the mutation does not actually cause other problems for those with it, making them sickly; then they would have been immune to the parasite (resistance) and those with AA may be wiped out by the parasite (natural selection). Then, we can now say that those that survived have evolved from those with AA genotype when they are still human

9jah:
Let me put this nonsense to rest -I’m not an atheist but I’m agnostic-I live my life every day on rational thinking-I don’t reason like the nomads who ride on donkeys -I’m a modern thinking human,who live in a modern society-So if you want to ask a nomadic question base on your childish religion of false claim of heaven and talking snakes and 7 virgins listen and learn -We came here like every biological being and through evolution like fish -So we can survive nine months inside our mothers belly like fish -I know we blacks can’t read please read my research or end up been mentally enslaved,myopic and can’t reason for yourself-Wake up or remain a nomad or better still join boko haram (no western education) or start riding a donkey with no electricity or cell phones like your nomads ,scribs religion want you to -Read ! Learn some scientific facts we all cane here like a fish !

From gills to gonads, you're more like a fish than you may believe We all know that humans evolved from a common ancestor of apes. But if you really want to understand how and why the human body works the way it does, you need to look further up the evolutionary tree. “This traveling of the gonads,” “creates a weird loop in the male plumbing that...is involved with the development of a weakness in the male body wall, both during development and later in life. So, the male propensity for certain kinds of hernias relates [to] starting your development like a fish and ending your development like a mammal.”
If you look at the Tree of Life,” “inside every part of our body, every organ, every cell, every gene, we have one entire branch of the history of life which is knowable. It’s knowable by fossils, by comparing DNA and so forth.”

Take the human arm, for example. “If we trace them all the way back through mammals, through reptiles and amphibians, all the way down to fish,”, “they compare to the paired fins of fish — which we can connect from the fossil record, from developmental biology, multiple lines of evidence.” And that's just the beginning.

“If you trace our jaws and ear bones back,”, “it’s very clear that they relate to the gill structures in fish. Again, we know [this] from multiple lines of evidence — the fossils, as well as the DNA. Many of the muscles and nerves and bones that we’re using to communicate right now ... are derived from the gill structures of sharks and fish — and that seems so utterly strange. But when we unravel ... that story, with the evidence behind it, it becomes very powerful.” “If you think about just the basic mechanism by which we turn our heads and know ourselves in space,” he continues, “the eye is coordinated to where we are in space. As you move your head, your eye can remain fixed in gaze, and that's happening because of the communication between your brain and the muscles in your eye. It's wonderfully complex and it’s also wonderfully ancient. The inner ear is indeed one of the most ancient parts of our body.”

Ever wondered about hiccuping — and why it happens? Shubin says this, too, is an example of our ancient link to fish. In this case, tadpoles. “When you hiccup,” that 'hic' is a sharp inspiration, and then the closure of your glottis and your epiglottis — that’s what causes the 'hic.' [It] comes about through a complex, but stereotyped, pattern of activity of nerves and muscles of our pharynx and the back of our throat and in our chest and so forth.”

What drives that physical response, is a mechanism in our central nervous system called a central pattern generator. It turns out that the central pattern generator is part of the normal breathing of tadpoles, which have both lungs and gills. Tadpoles use a version of a hiccup to push water across their gills, not into their lungs.

And then there's the not-entirely-pleasant topic of hernias. The human-fish connection with hernias

“If you look at what happens during development in a shark or a fish,” the gonads actually begin high up ... close to the heart, above the kidneys. Then they [stay] there. What happens in a human is we begin our development with the gonads in a fish position. As we develop and grow, they descend. In females, they descend to the level of the uterus; but in males, they descend and actually push out of the body wall to form this little sac, the scrotum.”

I can't stop laughing. I actually was interested in what you want to pass across because I saw a lengthy post but started laughing after the second sentence. Your claims are so funny that I know I shouldn't address them.

Again, your 'research' is poorly written. So much for one who claimed that we should read it or "...end up been mentally enslaved,myopic and can’t reason for yourself". How do you want me to agree with what you wrote when you can't even cite any reference to verify your statements

Then, I'll advise you read about Heackel's fraudulent drawings

slickbak:
I like your tenacity to liberate halfwits. Honestly, traditional worshippers are even more conscious than the monotheistic religions that make us a subservient pool for further Westernisation or Islamisation.
Nigerians now think they know Jesus more than Oyibo that created the legend. Most will die mental and spiritual slaves because they do not know that humanity and ethics are predecessors and independent of religion.
Thank you.

Please what's your definition of halfwits?
Can you show me how monotheistic religion (say Christianity) "...makes us a subservient pool for further westernization..."?
What is your definition of Oyibo, what part of the world are you referring too? These question maybe funny but I don't want to assume for you before asking the next questions.

It has been said that the best way of faulting a logic is by asking questions, so pardon my questions and please sincerely answer them.
Thank you

Tetehjewels:
Wow I never knew science was what taught us communication and language.

I guess animals and other creatures depend on same science for communication and language as well.

Science for you must have started with the Advent of phones and cars

Dummies do exist in atheism afterall.

One funny thing I see is how folks personify Science. You'll hear folks screaming 'I BELIEVE in science, you can believe in your imaginary God' as if science is an entity. I don't know how it would sound if they hear someone scream " I believe in management studies, you can believe in your imaginary God".
Worse, they assumed that religion (say Christianity) opposes advancement of science and wouldn't listen if you tell them that their assumption is purely wrong. They must have been ignorant that founding fathers of modern science were largely Christians and till date, over 70% of Nobel prize winners are Christians while about 20% are Jews; even Muslim scientists produce 3 Laureate ( a very small percentage though). So much that 'religious folks are dumb, retarded, deluded' that wannabe atheists say.
Rom 1:21-22 comes to mind

kingxsamz:
Is that your problem?
Lol, okay o.
Maybe I concluded too fast, I'm sorry. Even though you clearly ignored the part where he claimed I'm an atheist even without me saying so. But go off, lol.

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it shouldn't be MY problem but a problem in any general intellectual discussion.
It's alright, we all make mistake. It won't be fair to say I ignored it because:
1. I only addressed your point
2. Though your attack has always been towards the God of the Bible, you have always thrown such attacks to religion and religious folks; generalizing that THEY are dumb and different names you use. It won't be wise to make such generalization if yourself practice any religion as such would place you in same boat you place ALL religious folks. This can rationally imply that you don't have a religious identity and since everyone have something they believe, with or without proof - existence of God (theists) or non existence of God (atheists), it can safely be inferred that you don't believe in existence of (a) God hence an atheist.

I have a feeling you'll reply to this but please address my points and not make a redherring
Thank you

kingxsamz:
You're not making any sense.
He simply asked me a question and I replied "No". He's now complaining that I didn't give him an epistle. Abeg goodnight.

He asked a couple of questions (which you gave a simple '...has not') and ended it with another (the main one) which you side stepped and you attacked strawman. Now you claim I am not making sense when I'm just showing you that you ignored his main question.

kingxsamz:
I'm not shifting goal posts na.
I already answered No.

So how does not being able to create life prove that a god exists and that god wants to throw you into some everlasting fire if you don't serve him?
Think man. Think.!

Here (the bolded), he is yet to even make his claims but you already attacked strawman. He never mentioned anything like that even if he MAY have believe that looks like what you have misrepresented

kingxsamz:
Please, at bolded, what were you implying by "since you doubt god so much"?

Bro that is a redherring. I expect better from you but you and your colleague have been sidestepping main arguments and attacking strawman or just moving on to another thing entirely. It will not take any discussion to any meaningful end.

CAPSLOCKED:
"I BELIEVE AND FEEL HIM IN MY HEART" IS NOT A VALID STATEMENT, AND THERE'S NO CASE IN THE WORLD THAT YOU CAN WIN WITH THAT. YOUR BELIEF IS WHAT YOU FEEL AND NOT ACCURATE EVIDENCE FOR EVERYTHING.

YOU FEEL YOUR GOD IN YOUR HEART AND READ YOUR BIBLE.
A MUSLIM FEELS HIS GOD AND CLINGS TO HIS KORAN.
THERE ARE OVER 4000 GODS WORSHIPPED ON EARTH AS OF TODAY AND EVERYBODY THAT PRAY TO THESE GODS CLAIM TO FEEL THINGS IN THIER HEARTS, AND THEY BELIEVE THEIR GODS DOES WONDERS FOR THEM.


YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN AND YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL. YOU'RE JUST ONE MORE DELUDED PERSON WHOSE BRAIN SHOULD BE CRITICALLY EXAMINED FOR DAMAGES BEFORE BEING SUBJECTED TO DE-INDUCTRINATION. BYE.

In a desperate attempt to prove your point, you ripped my post and quote out of context. The last paragraph was a conclusion of the initial paragraphs, so if it was quoted alone, it could give you the meaning you want. That is not a smart move from one who claim that Christians are deluded.

Again, I don’t know where you got the words you put in quotation; it looks like mine but different again. It could be another desperate way for you to dish out what’s boiling in you. And you said belief is not an accurate evidence which I agree with you. The difference is that I am being insulted for believing in a God while those who believe that lifeless chemicals assembled themselves to form the first cell (the most complex ‘machinery’ ever known to man) and write an amazing code by themselves are called smart and intelligent people.

That different folks believe in more than 4000 gods is not a problem to me as credible research has shown that monotheism actually diverged into polytheism, hence such numbers. Again, my belief is personal to me and since you are not genuinely interested, you could just ignore.

Now, your 'educated' and 'not deluded' brain tells you that a theist is a ”…deluded person whose brain should be critically examined for damages…”. I am impressed that you end up doing what folks like you accuse others of – thinking they are the right ones and others are wrong.

CAPSLOCKED:
FROM TODAY TILL THE END OF THE WORLD A BEHEADED MAN CAN'T COME BACK TO LIFE. UNLESS A GROUP OF HUMANS DISCOVER WAYS TO REATTACH BODY PARTS AND GET A DEAD BODY WORKING AGAIN IN THE LAB. BUT SAY THROUGH MIRACULOUS AND POWERFUL GOD?
NEVER HAPPENING.

I wouldn't subscribe to God ressurrecting a beheaded man but it'll be foolishness on my part to believe that one day, some humans can find a way to do that but God can't do that.
Those in medical field experience events that defy known and well established laws in physiology which some are quick to relate to miracles.
I believe God and have experienced him in various ways and I understand a bit of my Bible to know to some extent how he works. So it will be foolish of me to believe that he is limited WHENEVER he wants to do anything

ZINIBANKS:
Am really sorry I pray God forgive me
You know at a point even Jesus became angry to the foolishness of the traders in the Temple
I got angry at his foolishness and allow my anger have the other side of me

Amen
May God purge us all of anything that won't give glory to his name.

Happy Sunday to you Sir

kingxsamz:
Come back and quote me when the so called "God's laws" grows back an amputee's missing body part.

Bro I give up!
You're just moving here and there

kingxsamz:
You mean those drawings?
Any sane human being knows you can't use that to validate such story which goes against logic.

Guess you missed this part...

Similarly, biologists do not believe it would be possible for a human to be swallowed whole, let alone survive inside of a whale.

You just moved the Goal post here bro. Your initial statement implied that his FINDINGS are filled with inconsistencies and I showed that it was not his findings that was criticized but Bartley's story.

Of course, that part also was to show that Bartley couldn't be swallowed by a whale (though it could also be applied to Jonah)

Anyway, it may not appeal to you (since you've discarded God apriori) to know that whenever God wants to work miracles, the physical laws seem to be bent. And a good question would be; where do these laws come from?

WILLuKPquiet:
You are Quite right bro.
The reason why even on the cross Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do "
No one fights on behalf of Jehovah. He might even choose to bless those who say such things against Him. His mercy is undescribable. So, judgement should be left for Him alone. He knows how best to deal with these guys who mock Him.

That's true Sir
God bless you

kingxsamz:
Did you read the article where it was stated that his findings were inconsistent?
Olodo.

The Professor's findings was not what was criticized. It was a Bartley who claimed to be swallowed that Historians and Biologists doubted his story.
Let's not get things mixed up.
I don't take the Prof's tmclaim serious also, but let's not taint our statements because of bias

ZINIBANKS:
If am truly created by God Almighty
I say this with the mighty miracle working hand of Jesus that you wake up tomorrow with both leg paralyzed so shall it be

Com'on bro!
I am not judging you but you shouldn't do that as a true child of God. God sits in heaven and do what pleases him (Psa 115:3), so it's not for mere mortals to order him around to do their (lustful?) wishes.

Again, the Bible instructs Christians to be ready to give an answer to the hope they have... in MEEKNESS and HUMILITY (1Pet 3:15), not by wishing skeptics evil. God will definitely not hear such prayers.

Though I'm not impressed with the 'discovery' (as the carvings don't really shiw that it happened, but shows that it was believed it happened), I am amazed at how 'smart' folks who feels they know so much are throwing punches to religion.

It'll be great if you have a good knowledge of what you want to criticize before criticizing it. Most haven't studied the Bible by themselves to understand it but just swallow what skeptics dish out without even checking if those arguments have been refuted completely

IMAliyu:
I don't think a scientist or researcher needs to believe in certain theories to be credible an example is evolution, if he/she deals in technology, engineering, math, physics or chemistry that usually have no application for the theory of evolution, so people wouldn't really care about that.

It's the life sciences that apply the theory of evolution and you're going to have a hard time in them when you are public about your opposition to it, I won't deny that some people can get religious about evolution and don't consider something else maybe the cause, but I personally look at observations around it rather than the theory itself such as natural selection (which can be observed), sexual selection, mutation, speciation and adaptation in animals and other living organisms which all have relatively strong evidence for them.

I'll just deal with the second paragraph. it's true that life science is the bedrock of evolution, but it has spilled over to other scientific discipline such as geology, astronomy, and it is the paradigm used in interpreting data in archeology, palenteology and other forms of historical science.
Again, the mechanisms you mentioned are actually strengths for creation model and flaws for evolution but evolutionists usually apply the Switch-and-Bait tactic and resort to this well proven mechanisms to 'show' that over millions of years, a paramecium can turn to a paramedic (smiles). Mutation, adaptation and natural selection can definitely lead to speciation but this involve variation in the available genome present in the organism but no known mechanism can gradually make an organism to add a new structure to it (say feather developing from scales) and the origin of information is still a problem that is yet to be solved. What about irreducible complexity?

dazzlingd:
Don't get it wrong, that is not the only data used but part of the things put in consideration .
And yes, from distance and speed, u can estimate time...

I was only trying to point out that those info have nothing to do with the age of the earth, though could be used to infer that the universe (of which the earth is part) is old. The time calculated is just the time for that info to reach the earth.
Anyway, it's nice 'seeing' you again

Darkhyve:
No sir I did not think that and I wasn't generalising, when I said 'they" I wasn't actually referring to everyone

I'm well aware of the fact that we have Christian scientists.
I followed NASA's page on Facebook book so I'm also well aware of the ignorant atheists who think the moon landings were faked and they just churn up some bullshit conspiracy theory. They'll go to the extent of saying earth is on the back of a giant flying turtle....I read so much bullshit from Atheists and Religious people alike including their regular fights and arguments that I got fed up and I had to unfollow them

I'm a Christian myself.

The point I tried to make was that most religious people would just argue blindly insisting on things that aren't true and misquoting the Bible to support it....

I remember someone arguing wite that Israel is God's chosen people and that no nation can defeat them in war not even USA, this lady did not change her stance on this issue until I mentioned that even in the Bible Israel lost a few wars, then she said "If God wills it"....

I've heard of someone claiming that her genotype can't be SS because she's been prayed for by a pastor despite her medical reports being right in her face....

I'm sure you must have noticed that even on this thread a few are opposing this discovery based on religious beliefs alone...

So that's why I said that previously.

I get your points sir and it is really sad that many religious folks don't even know that Christians were the founding fathers of what we call modern science and they always feel that a science is antithesis of Religion (Christianity especially).
I also don't like it when folks tend to even 'create God in their image' to do their bidding just like the SS genotype you mentioned and it is sadly true that folks tend to attack discoveries based on religious beliefs alone.
Thank you for your warm response.
God bless you Sir

EmeraldKing7:
Fact:The Earth is 4.5 billion years old
Our specie “homo sapiens” hasn't been on this planet for less than 200,000 years ago

If you doubt evolution,baba take micro organisms for example.

Chloroquine was stopped being used as malaria drug years ago because the parasite that causes malaria “Plasmodium falciparum” being immune to the drug.
Bacteria are now getting immune to antibiotics.
How is that possible you may ask?
Virus, bacteria...etc after sometime under go Mutuation in order to adapt to their environment

If micorganisms can survive by means of natural selection,why can't we humans?

Still doubt evolution?
What is the function of the Appendix in our body?

Bro, calling it fact does not make it one. It is only the best interpretation (using evolution, uniformitarianism) of available data.

Antibiotic resistance is not evolution (please refer to General Theory of Evolution) because speciation cannot be called evolution. It is even a strong argument for Scientists who believe in God.

I don’t get your “if micro organisms can survive by means of natural selection, why can’t we humans?” what has that question got to do with evolution?

Appendix being useless is an example of making wrong conclusion because of the evolutionary paradigm. Read about so called vestigial organs and junk DNAs.

IMAliyu:
To simply dismiss an alternative explanation without investigating it is unscientific.

The big bang theory was originally proposed by a physicist who was also a Catholic priest. The reason it has the name "bigbang" was an attempt by his colleagues to mock his ridiculous theory of an expanding universe. Before Edwin Hubble's discovery of the redshift of light from stars which gave credibility to the theory.

Same with germ theory, which is now a fact that germs exist, but people of the time dismissed the idea and in an attempt to disprove it, ended up doing the exact opposite and proved it to correct.

So I'm not necessarily against the young earth, flat earth, creationism hypothesis, but it lacks experiments, observations and/or evidence (which are not simply text from a religious book with no way to verify them) to be taken seriously over the alternative. If and when proponents of those hypothesis can provide proof that withstands scrutiny and the scientific method, then they are welcomed. It would be nice to live to see a major scientific theory, get over hauled by a more better theory in my life time like how plate tectonics theory over hauled the previously believed hollow earth theory.

I guess you may not be familiar with the evidence that have been brought forward by proponents of young earthers, even by using the principle of uniformism to interpret the available data. Again, the problem here is the paradigm. All scientists have paradigm in which they interpret available data since this data is same whether you are an evolutionist or creationist. And since evolution is the ruling paradigm now, any evidence that poses threat to it is being rejected apriori and will never get through for publication. This has been documented in some other form of peer reviewed journal. It even get worse that once a Scientist retracts his support for evolution, he risks so many things like being denied his tenure or worse. So it's not that evolution is dismissed without investigation but that evidence which challenges it are being dismissed without investigation. This is why I said it'll take a miracle for a ruling paradigm to be overturned.

Barney001:
Funny thing is that the white guys were the one who wrote all this down...and brought it to your doorstep... How do you know it was exactly moses who penned down all these details...

Or did God tell you that...?

How people believe that the Bible was written by the white guys still baffles me.

TimCook:
It's not the same people who laid cables for transmission that said the earth is flat. There are different arms of science. Ben Carson, who's a good and well known doctor probably has no idea what goes on in space. That's cause that's not his field. He deals in medicine and surgery. Someone who's a mechanical engineer, civil engineer etc. can be good in their field and have no idea what goes on in space. Radio frequency, transmission is mainly done by telecommunications engineers, and has nothing to do with space science, astronomy etc. I minored in it, so I know.

I'm an atheist, and the big bang theory and theory of evolution are absolute bullshit. You don't need to believe in God to see through the bias. I've meet some other atheist/agnostics who share the same view both online (on Quora, Tumblr) and offline.

That you think the theories are true doesn't make you smarter than any other persons, whether religious or irreligious. IQ TEST DON'T MEAN MUCH IN THE REAL WORLD. Just the same way you can't judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, or judge humans but how well they perform in the classroom. You also can use IQ test as a valid measure of intelligence.

I am tempted to say God bless you even when you don't believe in God.
Like I said before, many folks wrongly equate Science and Atheism and I don't just know where such claim come from.

I love how you differentiated operational science from historical science again for them. You have my respect Sir. It's another fallacy to equate them together in the name of Science. I've read about established Astronomers/Astrophysicists who claim that that those who study the field should not regard themselves as Scientists. I get their arguments since most of their observations cannot be repeatedly tested in the lab as all operational science could be

BabaIbo:
I chose not to argue with any one here because I have a strong feeling that most of them here are are ignorant of what carbon dating is all about but they are here shouting carbon dating, when most of them can't even mention any of the equipment or apparatus used in the process.

Carbon dating has errors.

God bless you Sir

BabaIbo:
You're ignorant.

Not all scientists believe in evolution.

Carbon dating has errors, there have been cases where it was carried out on substances which their year of formation are known and it dated it to another year.
Most of you shouting carbon dating ate ignoramus in that field but you are on this forum ranting.

The error is in equating Science and atheism. If that wrong premise is held on to, then it'll be difficult for such people to make meaningful statements, no matter how smart they may be.

Your second paragraph is not known to many of them also.
Weldon Sir

Iheuwaneme:
And you think all the scientists are atheists? You think there are no Christian or Moslems among those scientists?

That's what some of them think - that science (a profession) and religion (say Christianity) are words and opposite. They should go see Nobel Prize winners

planetx:
Earth is not billions of years old or was there any dinosaurs roaming 82 millions years ago all of this is just to discount the idea that there was a creator that created this world and everything therein.

There were dinos as their fossils (not to be confused with full skeleton sha) have been discovered. But these fossils don't interpret themselves, MAN does that through whatever paradigm he works with and the ruling paradigm right now is that of evolution.

Darkhyve:
Even if the pastors and imams confirm it they'd still label it blasphemous.....

Imagine trying to back up a flat earth theory with biblical verses?

Do you know thay early proponents of a 'round' earth were Christians? Heliocentricity was championed by Christian scientists (Keppler and co) who were able to challenge the scientific 'FACT' of the day called geocentricity.

Now, do you know that atheists also are proponents of flat earths today?

I guess you think that religious folks are always against science when Nobel Prize says otherwise.

IMAliyu:
It's quite easy to understand mathematically how those dates are achieved and their range of error when you understand radioactive decay. This is done under the assumption that the rules that govern the universe never change. So a measured 1 second today and the rate of atomic decay is still the same as it would be a billion years ago.

Finally, I see someone that explains what is going on. Thumbs up Sir

Now, the problem here is rejection of anything which challenges this assumptions and this is not scientific. The uniformitarian dogma has gradually turned into a religion that must be protected at all cost because "...we can not allow a diving foot" as Prof Richard Lewontin said.

Of course, there are many discoveries that point to earth being 'young' with the doctrine of uniformism but again, those have to be discarded. Now, this again is not science. It'll definitely take serious 'miracle' before a long held scientific 'fact' is over turned by another