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PhantomXcess:
Thank you.

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And no, I have never heard of or visited creation.com. What is the site about?

I would love that you visit the site. It is a great site with well seasoned information about creation. The writers/speakers are mostly PhD scientists and Bible scholars who are committed to the proclamation of the Gospel by providing credible answers that affirm the reliability of the Bible, in particular its Genesis history. Though they mostly avoid Bible Eschatology (end times and its interpretation), saying it's beyond the scope of their ministry

You can start from from their 'About us' section to get to know who they are, what they believe and so on. I'm sure you'll be blessed with their materials.

Peace

Lexusgs430:
What about if i fail to be bamboozled, by the content of an orchestrated controlling storybook?

Bamboozle
Orchestrate
Control

These words are opposite of what tge Bible is. What is holy will never cheat or deceive. The Bible says that God CANNOT lie and the bible says it is God's words, hence it cannot lie.

I didn't invite you to read it in order to fool you or anyhow you put it, I asked you to read it in search of the TRUTH, with an open mind.

Peace

Lexusgs430:
What makes you beliefs superior and negates mine?

Thanks for the question. I already stated earlier that stories of NDEs (near death experience) can't be explained using materialism (which atheist use in interpreting science)
Secondly, the Bible talks about life after death (Dan 12: 3 and other passages). Now you may ask why should I believe the bible? It's because what it said is true in all facets of life. True history which are being confirmed by archeology and other history materials, accurate prophecies which has stunned the world many times, words of wisdom and principles which have changed wicked souls to saints, etc. If it is true in all these, why shouldn't it be true on issues of life after death?

I invite you sir to study the bible in search of the truth and I believe that tye TRUTH will reveal himself to you

Peace

PhantomXcess:
Terribly flawed teaching!

If you want to understand God's Word and rightly apply it, you must be a critical and logical reasoning person.

It is called "rightly dividing the word of truth".

What is the meaning of life without death? How do you know you're in peace if you have not seen chaos or troubles? What is heaven without an earth? How would you know paradise if there is no hell? What's a God without his creation and subjects?

Remember this lyrics:
Human beings in a mob
What's a mob to a king?
What's a king to a God?
What's a God to a non-believer
Who don't believe in anything?

I'll continue asking:

If we were all born blind, how can you tell that we can't see? If there's no light, how would you know it's dark? Can good exist without evil? How would you know it's good? If there was only right, how would you tell what's wrong? Because it all becomes tasteless! It all becomes plain! But then you still won't know it is all tasteless and plain because none of it exists!


See, growing in fellowship with God is not for simple minded people who just run with everything they're told without understanding it. It doesn't mean you question God's word but you must study properly to understand what was really said, why it was said and who it was said to and when it is expected to happen.

I'm not gonna dive into explaining Matthew 24, 1Thess and Revelation right now. Maybe I would on a later date. But I will say this;

To understand God's will and purpose, you have to begin from Genesis. Why was man created? Why was the world created? Why did God bother creating in the first place?

Then you have to ask, who is God? Who made him God? How did he become God? Why is he God? And why is he also called Lord? Let me drop a little hint here: We only agree and believe he is God because he created all things including us, which means he existed before all things were made. Dictionary defines God as "Supreme Being" which means no one or nothing can stand him or his authority.

Revelation 4:11 says
"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for THY PLEASURE they are and were CREATED".... Before then, it was all plain and tasteless!

If you study creation logically, you will be able to reason and ask why did God say he saw that everything he created was GOOD when there was clearly a tree of knowledge of good and EVIL? This tree is the reason man was considered a failure and sin. This tree was man's downfall and death.

Is God mischievous to deny the existence of evil in his creation? Did he willing make man curious of this same tree and told him he will die if he eats it? What is DEATH? Is it a good or bad thing? Why did Adam and Eve not die when they ate it? Why did the Bible admit that the serpent was right? As he said when they eat the fruit, they will become like God and God rightly admitted that man has become like him now, which led to them being banned from the garden so they don't eat the tree of life. Also didn't God say "let's make man in our image and likeness?" Didn't he keep to his word? So many questions!

But it is the glory of God to hide a matter and the honor of kings to search and reveal it. A king is someone who rules, who makes decrees and it is carried out, who has authority over others. So will you patiently grow in this journey of godliness(mighty rulership and power) or will you chicken out and live a simple life like a servant and be subject to other kings(principalities and powers) who know these secrets of life?

There was NEVER supposed to be religion. And to God, religion still doesn't EXIST!

This is nice but I would have love if answers or links to answers to those questions were provided.
I don't know if you are aware of creation.com of Creation Ministries International

pennywys:
go back to school, if you have been there before and end up achieving nothing, this time I will advise you to pickup a science or technology base course. Study it and stop being a shame and embarrassment to human folks

It's funny that an article which gives it opinion on Bible eschatology is seen as an attack on "science" (atheism to be precise).
If it was well read, it can be seen that he didn't link the second coming to the pandemic. He only try to give his opinion by 'correcting' what he sees as error in other Biblical eschatology. He then used the vaccine as an example to show that he wouldn't deny his faith if it happens to be the prophesied mark of the beast

There's no point giving opinions which implies that religious folks (Christians especially) are ignorant folks. Science and technology has nothing to do with atheism. In fact, if some components of atheism is to be trusted, then science cannot work. For example, atheism believe that truth is relative and that there is no absolute truth (contrary to Jesus saying he is the truth). Now how can a scientist who is an atheist expect another to believe that his theory is true if he himself does not believe in absolute truth? Hoe can he convince himself that what he observed is the truth and that his interpretation of the observed data is true?

Tsolutionifede:
lol, funny u, but seriously, doing what truely, I am a Christian too, but the aspect of living forever sounds gibberish. Anyway, may God help and forgive, because what do i know self, 1cor 2:14 says "a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised"

Remember we live in a world of time as measured by the earth's rotation and revolution round the sun. Hence we have day and night and we have year (God said the lights in the heavens will help us in measuring time and seasons anyway).
Now in the new heaven and earth, the bible says 1. We will be like angels (Matt 22:30). Angels live forever

2. We won't be bound by time because there will be neither sun nor moon to give light (they are already destroyed as shown in 2 Peter 3:10, 12) but God will be the source of light. That means we won't really have the concept of time again. Forever won't look ridiculous then.
Again, I love the passage you quoted too

Peace

helinues:
Are you aware that our source of energy, The Sun has it's expiry date?

Stars are born, they live, and they die. And when our own star ( Sun) dies, it will evaporate all the existing planets it has been providing energy to ..

So when that happened, nothing like earth. How will that heaven continue to exist?

Not to talk of big rogue asteroid heading towards earth..

Of course, this earth will be no more and the one (I believe) he's talking about is the new earth.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish (pass away) with a thunderous crash, and the [material] elements [of the universe] will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

Does this look like what you are talking about? Remember that the Bible is not a Science text that should give you all details about things pertaining to technical knowledge, but we can confidently believe it as it has been proven to be true on many occasions in which it was attacks.

The passage continues
2 Peter 3: 11-13

Since all these things are thus in the process of being dissolved, what kind of person ought [each of] you to be [in the meanwhile] in consecrated and holy behavior and devout and godly qualities,
12
While you wait and earnestly long for (expect and hasten) the coming of the day of God by reason of which the flaming heavens will be dissolved, and the [material] elements [of the universe] will flare and melt with fire?
13
But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise, in which righteousness (uprightness, freedom from sin, and right standing with God) is to abide.

joshjc:
even bvn,and the latest is vaccine,and any major technological advancement, in my opinion ones you die, that's the end of the world, because it's written in the Bible after death comes judgement,and in the same Bible it is written world without end

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove with "after death comes judgements" and "world without end". They do not conttadict themselves (if that's what you implies)
I believe that an average Christian knows the difference between the two, based on their context. This world (universe) full of pain, death and suffering (as a result of the fall) will end to usher believers in to a new world that is like how it was created originally when God said it was GOOD. That is, no death, pain and suffering and hence it will be a world without end.
On the other hand, the lake of fire will be a world without end for this whose names are not found in the book of life. These include: the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, etc

A side note: I don't think the OP is trying to relate the pandemic to the second coming. I think he is trying to give his interpretation of eschatology. I'm surprised with how people are reading another thing in to his posts, atheists especially.

Lexusgs430:
Christ is never coming again and this world would never end...

Stop deceiving yourselves......

The day you die, your world ends........ QED

Sorry, the truth of NDEs is enough to squash this claim.
It is one of the propaganda promoted by Atheists (materialists, evolutionists) to support their claim of no God, no purpose for being on earth and hence no life after death

Salmom:
We can calculate half lives, quarter and one eight lives of fossils up till 50000 years because of their carbons. This is not rocket science. It has been proven and tested. It may not be accurate but with radio carbon dating scientists are able to estimate the age of fossils.

Unless you have studied astronomy (which you obviously haven't) you aren't qualified to counter the findings and observations made over the years regarding space. Do you even had a freaking telescope? Let's start with that. Everything scientific discovery out there can be observable by anyone. Science isn't esoteric

You say the stories are "created" but if I may ask to what gain?

In any dating technique, assumptions are made to arrive at answers. They include:
1.The initial parent-daughter particles are known
2. The rate of decay have been constant throughout history
3. The decay occur in a closed system such that there is no contamination

Now these assumptions can't be proven cause no one was there to observe them. For example, Carbon 14 should have completely decay after 50,000 years as you also show but it has been found in diamonds that we are told were former millions of years ago. Now diamonds are extremely hard substances and we don't expect it to be contaminated. How do we explain that? There are other anomalies around and dates that do not agree with the established 'geologic dates' from evolutionary view are discarded.

Of course I did not study astronomy but I read about it. I was not the one who came up to refute these unobserved stuffs that were created to solve the obvious problems of cosmological evolution. It was scientists who are qualified in the field (Astrophysics, Physics, etc) that refuted them and provided their own model, but since evolution has to be protective, any threatening model are being attacked and discarded.

The gain is to protect evolution. Professor Richard Lewontin said "...for we can not allow a divine foot"
This among other quotes are examples of desperate attempts to excuse God and promote materialism

emmy512:
When were those books made.
Sometimes i wonder weda all of us think critically, you've made a point here the holy booka claim that earth is 6000 years old. How old are those books shey if we add the years after death of those holy book writers we will get a different date. The bible needs an update

Needs an update? Like updating the contents of accurate prophecies? Updating the words of wisdom which have been converting hard line men to saints?

Forever Oh Lord, thy world is settled in heaven

Martinez39s:
Science can't give you the EXACT date. The EXACT date is increasing every second, every minute, every month, etc. However, various reliable techniques have demonstrated that the earth is ABOUT 4.3 billion years old. The abrahamic holy books give the earth's age to be about six thousand years.

There are some assumptions that are put into consideration in dating techniques.
It is assumed that the parent-daughter substance are known
It is assumed that tge rate of decay is constant throughout history
It is assumed that no form of contamination (no addition or subtraction) throughout history.

Again, most dates that do not agree with the agreed 'geological dates' are usually discharged, no matter the evidence.

Now, Adam was created a full grown man (we don't know his age, but let's assume age of 35. Years) but he will be just a month old after a month of his creation. Same thing applies with rocks, trees and so on.
We can not give an actual date but just a rational estimate either as a biblical creationist or atheistic evolutionist

Salmom:
It is not a lie. The scientific community works with fact and evidence. Science has advanced exponentially since the last centuries. We put a man on the moon 50 years ago. This one is just moi moi

The science that put man on moon has nothing to do with evolution. It is operational science and not some form of science that attempt to give us history of what happened in the distant past.
No one was there to accurately tell us what happened, but stories are created around fossils, dark matter and dark energy are invented in an attempt to make us believe that the universe is 13 billion years old in order to support theory of evolution.

HIbreed:
Christianity has done what Islam will never ever do when it comes to terrorism and killings .it just got reformed over time because the Europeans that invented got tired of it and it's nonsense.

The transatlantic slave trade was founded on Christianity. That's just one example of the evils of the religion and how it hurt and killed millions of people here in Africa.

Christianity did more worse in the 18th century and down.

I guess you do not know much about Christianity and its spread throughout the World.

In a bid to spread and convert people Christians killed millions of people.

Religion itself unleashes terror where ever it goes.

What I advice you do is to be informed on what the Bible teaches (especially, what Jesus taught) and see if the events done by those 'Christians' are actually the same. An Aljazeera documentary recently showed that the Crusaders were not motivated by the scriptures, rather by their greed to establish 'colonies' in the middle east but only used religion as smoke screen.
So if they do what is contrary to what the bible teaches, that does not prove that 'Christianity' did it

Again, Christianity as shown by the early disciples was not spread through violence. They willingly endured persecution just to reach out to the unsaved. Even during the transatlantic slave trade, Missionaries died to disease just to reach out to the unsaved. Though one would not deny that the in medieval times, forced conversions happened but it can be easily seen they did not follow the teachings of Christ

Now you wrongly claim that slave trade was founded on Christianity, something that had started before the Europeans by the Arabs. On the other hand, it was men who were inspired by teachings of the scriptures that shows that all men are created equal by God. William Wilberforce is universally recognized as one of the main abolitionists responsible for ending the slave trade in England, and his writings stating that his Christian faith was instrumental in his beliefs is public record. Furthermore, his associates in the Clapham sect were similarly motivated by Christianity and their literal reading of the Bible.

Fucsheetup:
But Christians call me ‘names’ because I don’t believe in their invisible god who has never been proven to exist,

I cannot prove to you life evolved in a primordial soup, that is why it is called hypothesis

I never said science negates theism, if had read our subsequent comments, you would see that I made that exact statement clear to the ‘ ‘mentioner’ who felt the Big Bang could not have created the universe but believe it was created anyway

I am really sorry that Christians call you names (we are to guide our heart with all dilligence; Prov 4:23, and we are to answer with meekness and humility; 1Peter 3:15)
You are right about God being invisible, of course the bible (which claims to be the word of God) says He is spirit. Now, science can't prove existence of spirits and can't prove it's non existence either. You may have reasons for not believing in the existence of God but I don't think it's because it has not been proven. Men have provided philosophical arguments to prove the existence of God; search for Prof William Lane Craig, creation ministries, christian think tank etc to examine their arguments

Well, you may call it hypothesis but many do not see it like that. They call it facts (maybe equating it to established physical laws such as entropy, gas laws etc) and evolution is the ruling paradigm that its proponents attack anything that threatens it even if the data are absolutely proven

Okay, I haven't completely read your conversation with others though, I only saw this and response to it.

Peace

dukeprince50:
There is evolution and we are a testament of that. Even as humans, we evolve along with global changes

Sir, this is a bait and switch tactic.
No informed person will disagree that "things" change, but that is not evolution. The truth is that evolution is dead right from it's tract due to the fact that it is impossible for lifeless chemicals to assemble themselves in to a living cell, producing the most complex 'machinery' known to man without any intelligent supervision. Even the Miller-Urey experiment only prove that intelligence is required to achieve it.

There are so many facts that actually refute evolution but they are either not published in accepted journal or the researchers are attacks.
For example, the following questions are difficult or impossible to answer:
1. How did life originate?
2. How did the DNA code originate? What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?
3. How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?
4. How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality?
5. How did sex originate?
All these have not been answered by the advocates of purposeless evolution.

We need to get both sides of the argument (Prov 18:17) and the biblical parts are not gotten from pastors, it is gotten from other part of Christian Ministries which comprises of professionals of various disciplines; well seasoned in their fields. Such Ministries include creation.com of Creation Ministries International, ice.org of Institute for Creation Research, etc

Fucsheetup:
Lmao! DONATE YOUR BRAIN TO SCIENCE. You have no use for it.

Sorry babe, science is not independent of humans. It is not an entity that tells us this or that as media would want us to believe.
Contrary to what some people believe, science is not the opposite of theism. In fact, the founding fathers of what we call modern science were largely Christians. They believed that an orderly universe can be observed as it operates according to set rules and this only make sense if it was designed (created) by God (who's not an author of confusion) though, the fall had brought curse and degradation on it.

Scientist have paradigm in which they interpret available day (especially in historical science), hence most are forced to interpret their data to fit the ruling paradigm. Else, your work will not be published (I'm not making this up, pls search the net well. In fact, the newly published book in UK about a fictitious compulsory quarantine is a good example).

So it's not enough to call bible believing Christians name when you are yet to show or prove to us how the first life evolved in a primordal soup

supercase1:
Fossil and DNA evidence can last for hundreds and millions of yrs u aren't a scientist hence I can't blame you

The thing is we have to know how fossils are formed and at what conditions can DNA last for such time

We need to know that there's diff between operational science (physics, chemistry and others that observe phenomenon that can be repeated in labs) and historical science (paleontology, archeology and others that attempt to tell us what happened in the past).
No one (I repeat, no one) can tell us what happened in the past. We can only make educated guess and that's why you see most of those reports with phrases such as "may have", "seem to", "appears to", "must have", etc. These do not indicate "facts" because the events can't be repeated, hence a story is constructed around the day at hand.

Now, the ruling paradigm os definitely evolution even with it's enormous problems, yet it is accepted as "fact". Why? To avoid the idea of supernatural creation which brings God in. This was admitted some atheists

“We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs. … Moreover, … materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door”. (Professor Richard Lewontin (retired American evolutionary biologist and geneticist).

“Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic” (Dr Scott Todd, Kansas State University)
Then, to gain the favor of the "general public"
(similar to political correctness), you can only air and make research such that your conclusion supports evolution.

Of course, those calling people that don't subscribe to evolution names should show us scientifically how nothing created everything. Until then, you don't have the right to bash a supernatural creation

Peace

Sarah20A:
it was faith that made him sleep there for weeks

He said he was hesistant at first to fly down. I think he slept as a way of trial and error approach (lemme see if it'll work).
If this is true, then it's clearly not faith.

Again, he said he saw people getting healed. I can't really speak for him, but i think his mindset had a lot to do about his healing or not.

God is not a magician who acts to impress anyway

Seenyo:
...Nigeria's un-serious repellant military or

chadian decisive, ever attacking military with visible convincing results?....


Idris derby for PRESIDENT!

Sabenko:
Dont know what to believe about this covid-19 again sef...someone miraculously recovers after 5/6days of testing when the actual incubation period of the virus is 14days. Not hating on the man ooo but What happens to isolating him for another 14days to verify this claim? One part of my brain is telling me covid-19 in Nigeria might not actually be true. Hmmmm, this is Nigeria!

He said he was asymptomatic. He could have contracted the virus for about two weeks before testing. I'm sure he decided to test because CMD UCH and others that he might have contact with tested positive.

Again, DG NCDC said most cases show mild or no symptoms, I'm sure that's why we have a good recovery rate than advanced countries with 10s of thousands of ventilators and good medical facilities.

Friend22:
This is one below is a little bit better to digest.
Mr Physics didn't break it down well enough...
read this below..
or someone can make this into a post here.


OF ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES & THE CORONA VIRUS, SEPARATING FACTS FROM FICTION!
Where are people getting all these conspiracy theories about 5g network from? Na wa o!
The most notorious concept about the conspiracy theory is the supposed relationship between the 5G network and the on going corona virus pandemic. What a load of crap!
To even think of the calibre of people who seem to be peddling such is mentally nauseating! What in the name of everything reasonable is the connection between a radio frequency and the existence or mutation of a biological organism? Ladies and gentlemen, nothing! I repeat, nothing!
I would really like to assume that most students of science are well grounded in the fact that, even right from O level physics, Electromagnetic waves are divided into two categories and these are non ionizing and ionizing waves.
There is a reason all students of science are mandated to master physics and chemistry and also allow the knowledge to pass through them. Such knowledge is meant to fortify one's precious mind against recurrent rumours and conspiracy theories that only serve as catalysts of global panic states! So, at this juncture, Kindly permit me to draw us back to our O level physics so that we can really get the general idea, for knowledge they say is power.
Non ionizing waves are those that belong to the low frequency category and these consist of Radio waves, microwave and Cosmic background microwave. Their frequency is characteristically on the low side of the frequency spectrum, thus, they are low frequency waves!
The ionizing ones on the other hand, belong to the high frequency spectrum. These consist of the ultraviolet ray( from sunlight), x ray( yes that x ray you all know about), alpha ray, Beta ray and Gamma ray. Their frequency is not usually less than 300GH (Gigahertz)
The ionizing rays are produced by radioactive decay of radioactive atoms. When such radioactive atoms decay, they release energy in quanta (packet) forms as high frequency radiation. Such radiation is so packed with energy that it can ionize (remove electron from) other atoms (including atoms from living tissues), thus causing 'damage' (let's assume it's a damage for better understanding) to such atoms! In other words they are called ionizing radiation because they can covert a structurally complete atom to an incomplete one (ion). The same phenomenon described above explains why both patients and health care professionals are often warned and protected against over exposure to x rays in the hospital. X ray as useful as it may be, is also an ionizing radiation!
Radio wave, on which your cell phone, your TV and your radio transistor depend, operates within a low frequency that is incapable of displacing an electron from an atom, let alone an atom of a living tissue. Therefore, it is harmless or incapable of affecting any biological organism, be it virus or man.
The highest frequency to be achieved by any 5g network is not more than 24GH, a far cry below any frequency that can impact a living tissue.
Do you know that from time immemorial, the amount of UV ray, an ionizing radiation, that humans are being subjected to on a daily basis far exceeds what you can get from any radio wave? Even with the earth's ozone layer serving as a protective shield, most of us in Africa still get bombarded with a good dose of UV ray from our dearly beloved sun, to which we are united in a cosmic matrimony for life, till death do us part! We kuku no get choice now abi?
When the TV set is switched on and its not receiving any broadcast channel, there is that annoying image of a flashing, multiple black and white dots that also gives off a continous sound of static crackling (like a rainfall)! Oh, that image used to be depressingly annoying when we were young, especially after school hours when we wanted to watch the voltron force at 4:30 pm but NTA refused to commence broadcast on time! The explanation for that annoying image is that the TV set, rather than pick up a channel, just picked up a cosmic background microwave.This is the microwave that permeates the universe! It has been there since the inception of the universe and it surrounds all of us, all the time. That is why your TV set can never fail to pick it up even if it fails to pick up a broadcast signal.
It might also interest you to know that the frequency of that cosmic background microwave is as high as 160GH and like a popular movie theme song, it lives with you, it lives in you, it watches over you, baby, you can't escape it!
So what is 24GH of 5G radio wave in its highest form, compared to160 GH of cosmic background microwave with which you and I sleep and wake up 24/7 and has been demonstrated not to have any untoward effect on any biological organism?
Ladies and gentlemen, to be fearful is poles apart from godliness! Many conspiracy theories are products of some very sick minds or very diabolical heart with nothing but evil intentions.
Nobody is too old to learn and expand their mind. Learn to subject everything you read or hear on the cyberspace to the scrutiny of knowledge search and research before turning yourself into a conduit of falsehood and fear mongering. C'mon people, we are smarter than this now!
Finally, 5G is here to stay, please, deal with it. However, if you don't want it, you are at liberty to remain on 4G or even GPRS! It's a free world
As for me sha, make dem start the network on time jare! I am a heavy data user, I video stream, I do heavy downloads, I do virtual marketing and I do virtual health care delivery.
I need 5G ASAP!
'Seun Jegede, April 2020

This is just nice.
No adhominem
Just straight to the argument.

Nice one bruh

joshjc:
Nice analysis,but they won't read and learn or listen to those who are experts in physics,but they will rather listen to pastors who are trying to remain relevant, after failing to predict the outbreak of covid 19, religious leaders has always been against breakthrough in science,eg IVF,space exploration and many more

I really did not want to expose the unnecessary religious hatred I've been reading since but I need to correct your wrong claim that religious leaders are against breakthrough in science.

Most people ignorantly think that the opposite of religion is science. Early founding fathers of science were actually religious people.

Creation.com | Creation Ministries International
Scientists of the past who believed in a Creator
Back to Creation scientists index
. Logical thought patterns of the medieval Scholastic philosophers of the Church led to challenges to the received wisdom about nature from Aristotelian dogma. Universities sprang up over Europe, where learning was passed on and debate encouraged. Extensive inventiveness and mechanical ingenuity developed in the monasteries, where optics was researched and spectacles invented. There was an industrial revolution thanks to the development of water and wind power and superior agriculture that supported a population boom. The blast furnace and mechanical clock began in this period. The great Gothic cathedrals were works of architectural genius, with innovations such as the flying buttress to support the walls from outside, enabling a huge spacious interior were worshippers were bathed in light and colour through intricate stained glass windows. In astronomy, medieval scholars knew perfectly well that the earth was a globe and a tiny speck compared to the vastness of the universe. Many scientists of this period were clergymen in good standing. This period also saw the basic ideas of the geokinetic universe and thought-challenges to absolute geocentrism. The cathedrals were also used as gigantic solar observatories, called meridiane, and the research which the Church supported later lent support to the developing Keplerian astronomy.

https://creation.com/scientists-of-the-past-who-believed-in-a-creator

Sir Isaac Newton wrote more religious books than scientific materials, Michael Faraday was a church elder, Tesla, Pascal, Pastuer, Boyle, Joule, Maxwell, the list is just many. These were firm believers.

So please don't be deceived, Church never opposed learning.

pacespot:
It is not Chinese made? Go and check the workers in that so called American company, you will see that they are at least 95% Chinese, that is the real difference, the technical or factory skills of Chinese workers are above the rest.

Seems you just want to defend your post that Chinese are above and vast technologically.
First of all, I didn't disagree that most of the workers are mainly Chinese but my point is that it is an American company that has plants in many countries all over the world.
That it has a plant in China means it should employ the labour there which are predominantly Chinese but it does not make it a Chinese technology just as Total Nigeria does not make it a Nigerian company nor technology.
For example, if a Total plant in France suffers any form of disaster and France has to depend on Total Nigeria to meet its needs, then using your logic, Nigerians should be seen as more advanced and vast in technology than ... (You can complete it)

Benda59:
Some of you guys gan!! Did you not read the part that said France has only 4 companies that are producing face masks @ at the rate of 15 mill which has been increased to 40 mill per "month" And that was not up to par with what was required... They said they need 40 mill face masks per "week" to contain the virus. "So guys they produce face masks they only need much more". Read between the lines peeps

God bless you.
That's what I've been trying to show others.
Local production is just not enough

Azukbobo:
Please for once listing to what you wrote before posting, who is talking about capitalism in the face of epidemic war? Coronavirus has overwhelmed Trump and the rest of the Europe. If you are talking about cost of production, can't America afford emergency production at higher cost? It just shows the world that China is advance and vast in technology

Advanced than these other countries, US inclusive?
The funny thing is that the world leading producer of the said mask is an American company; 3M.

It's like saying Nigeria is advanced in technology (than France) if for any reason such as this pandemic, France will depend on Total Nigeria for fuel

ajl:
No, there are almost none. I watch Governor of New York yesterday virtually pleading the local companies need to switch to production of items like facemasks, healthcare aprons, and few other essential items. He even brought those items on air saying "these are not complex items to produce; and any company that modified its production system to make those items will be financially covered by the govt".

Many are still going to work. If there are local companies making such, they will be regarded as essential staff and will always go to work irrespective of the lockdown just like health workers. China dominate production of these items now.

Companies like 3M are the top producers of N95 mask. It is an American company, but with plants in other countries such as China.

Trump want 3M both in the US and Beijin to produce for America alone.

Guestlander:
God bless you jare for using your brain.

The ones US are actually claiming are those produced by MMM (3M) which is an American company, but have plants in many countries including China.

Trump want them to produce and sell for US alone and it is the main root of the problem.

So it's not a "Chinese made" in the real sense of it

CanadaPR:
It's good to do some personal research.

3M is an American company with industries in different countries including China. This company is the major manufacturer of N95 masks in the world (N95 masks are the standard masks for frontline workers and are different from the regular surgical masks made in ABA).

US wants 3M to supply all the masks it manufactures in other countries like China to only US....... Trump believes 3M is an American company and should put America first which is quite selfish knowing that other countries are going through tough times too.

Trump even said that 3M shouldn't supply Canada and it's causing some issues....

You are right.
I saw this in the news yesterday. German officials too complained

juman:
Disgusting news.
So neither of the country can make ordinary face masks for their local consumption?

Shame.

This is funny.

The factors in play include:
1. Most local factories are in lockdown, hence are out of production
2. Hence, the ones that are being produced locally are not enough for them.

Therefore, they need to get assistance from other running country; in this case, China

amerengues:
This is the height of insensitivity in my opinion. Is that how porous and leaky the isolation centre is?

Illiteracy and ignorance is a vehicle of disease in this nation. Am sure some people who vehemently held the believe that there is no coronavirus in the country are already switching their thoughts.

Even under this lockdown, some persons are still plying their trade as if there is nothing on ground. I heard one woman saying, “It is not a poor man’ disease”.

A woman that sells toys is going to the market to sell, for what please? Well, everything boils down to the Government. If the citizens, downtrodden and the poorest are given reliefs at this time, it will be easier for Government to nail anybody who defies the law.

It is well! May God heal the land.

The second to the last and last paragraphs are the key points

But truth be told, advance countries far better, yet there citizens complain the way we complain here.

MelesZenawi:
Pure wickedness.

Ignorance is when you're not aware of having covid-19 or knowing you have it but refuse to call for medical help.

Simple meaning

We are yet to ascertain the reasons they left.
Let's not argue if it's wickedness or ignorance yet.

You remember the video of the fat man who wanted to take his daughter home?