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duality:
Matthew 7:13-15 Enter through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and spacious and broad is the way that leads away to destruction, and many are those who are entering through it. But the gate is narrow (contracted by pressure) and the way is straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find it. Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed as sheep, but inside they are devouring wolves.



The @op is a false teacher...

The scripture told us of his like.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions.

The agenda is to kill God / heaven consciousness in man. In preparation for the reign of the antichrist.

On the contrary, the op is Christ centered. He teaches that the only way to be saved is through Christ and not goodworks. Any other message apart from this is other gospel. Any other .message apart from this is an anti-Christ gospel.

Remember Cornelius. He was a good man who did good works. He gave to the poor and needy. But he didn't know christ. If he had died in that conditioned he'd have gone to hell. His good works can't and would never have saved him. God being a merciful God didn't want his good works to go to waste. So he sent Peter to preach to him. Cornelius along with his household believed and were saved. Christ alone can save and not good works..

chiommy123:
So once I believe and behave anyhow I want heaven is my home. You should stop deceiving people. Even the Bible says no unclean thing shall enter into heaven and we should work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound God forbid

Oga nowhere in the OP were you asked to behave anyhow when you believe in Christ. Salvation is a full and perfect package. After one is saved he's saved once and for all. His spirit is renewed. But his mind isn't renewed. That's why he needs to study the bible for the renewal of his mind.

jesusjnr:
The greatest ever natural disaster in human history and since God's creation of the Earth in the beginning - The flood in the days of Noah!

The greatest disaster in living history - The Asian Tsunami on boxing day, 26th of 2004!

Jesus said:

"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Mt 24:37-39(KJV).

Now am I the one that's been able to draw comparisons with what had transpired in the days of Noah, to that of the Asian tsunami which took place on the 26th of Dec, 2004?

For Jesus had said as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it also been at the end of the world, and with reference to how they were in a celebratory mood before the flood came in the days of Noah!

For the Asian tsunami took place at peak of the celebration of Christmas which is the boxing day of 2004, for despite that it wasn't on the day of Christmas itself, the boxing day is known to be the day when the celebrations of Christmas hits it his highest point, even higher than the Christmas day itself.

So could it be that it was meant to be a warning to humanity with respect to what Jesus said the end time would be like, as it was similar to what took place in the days of Noah of which Jesus said, "as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be"?

And does it also tell us what Jesus makes of the celebration of His birthday by the church, and also the world, for if it was such a big deal to Him, He would not have permitted such a disaster to befall those who were celebrating it?

The record numbers of the victims of the Asian tsunami, would have been much less had it taken place on a normal day with little or no such celebration.

It's an event that shook the bery foundations of the world, both literally and emotionally, and forget the excuse of global warming with respect to the flood that took place in the days of Noah amongst others, for whenever such an historic takes place on the Earth, it is never by coincidence.

Therefore be ye warned!

What about those disasters that happened on normal days. What were they warning us against.. Or are they that insignificant?

OneJ:
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Pls do research on the origin of birthdays celebration & understand what it really is...

Do research on the origins of the days of the week and the months of the year. Then tell me why Christians like you don't discard it's use... Hypocites...

OneJ:
1) The info as to the origin of birthdays celebration is in the public domain.
U are just grasping at straws ,very mumuish attitude.
U no dey shame U dey quote Matt15:9. Lol. U are very dishonest & shamelessly so.
Your fellow birthday peddler dey tell U say birthdays na pagan custom, ,yet your arrogance & lie lie dey show face.

U dey follow the doctrine & command of men who fixed a date for Christ's birthday( "in the hopes of recruiting those already celebrating the Roman holiday of saturnalia" to endorse your own. Matt 15:9 nab U for hand & leg.

2) "It is not what early Christians believed that matters but what the Bible teaches... Some early Christians were heretics.".
Yet, your Bible no teach U say birthday is Christian practice.
U no go fit mention ONLY one scripture where your Bible speak well of birthdays. Or give example of a man of faith or any first century Christian who celebrated it.

3). Only half baked Christians look for concise, clear cut injunctions on every matter.
The Christ like principle is shun birthdays. Christ did, his followers did. Men of faith did. The Scriptural principles already well established for Christians speak against birthday celebrations (Genesis 40:20. Matt14:1-12. Galatians 4:8-11. 2 Cor 6:14-18.
(BTW,John was beheaded simply for speaking the truth, not because of Herod's birthday).

4) Yahweh never condemned the use of ornaments. Your submission lacks substance.

Just one verse of the bible that's against birthday celebration and you're writing all these... Even if its

OneJ:
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1) Give him scriptural proof that birthday celebration was practiced by pre- Christian men of faith or first century Christians. Did your Bible say birthday celebration was practiced by Christians ?
Your noise making takes U nowhere....

2) The real issue at stake is : Was birthday celebration a practice of pre-christian men of faith/ first Christian practice ?

3) Starting from Abel to John the Baptizer, then from Christ to the end of the first century CE, did all these men of faith forget to celebrate their birthdays by coincidence?

4) What fellowship does light have with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14-18.
Matter wey your Bible no give U even one Christian example to follow, but pagan example dey, na the way wey pagans they do their worship U go copy ?

Days of the week and months of the year all have pagan origins... We as Christians should burn all our calendars. After all, what has light got to do with darkness..

If this this is the work of an incompetent lifeless dullard, then I don't want a competent living Solomon as president...

IamAtikulate:
Compare the height of buhari standing with Saraki in the first picture and the height of real Buhari in the second picture taken in 2016.

Buhari in 2018 in the first picture is now younger than Buhari in 2016 in the second image.

Yoruba moslems please explain.

Post an old picture of buhari and Saraki side by side.

Buhari was born 1942. He wrote his WAEC in 1961. Do the maths...

I don't get this demand for Buhari to remove his cap for proof.. If "dead" Buhari's face and other part of his body could be perfectly cloned, is it his head that they won't clone perfectly?

PS: Anybody that believes Kanu is as foolish as him.... Probably foolisher..

Years ago I read about Mitchelle Obama being a transgender. They was nothing I didn't see. Her muscular arms, bulge on her groin area etc.. At the end all of these are just conspiracy theories.

No matter the reason, it still doesn't change the fact that the minimum wage was agreed on, does it?

TimeMachine:
What do you know about killing the first born son of every family and marking the blood on the doors of their homes to avoid angels killing the whole household ?

Are you sure you read your Bible?

What of the most popular sacrifice? The killing of Jesus as sacrifice to save the Souls? Are you ignorant of the fact that this is a congenital sacrifice of human ?

Today you participate in cannibalism rituals. You drink human blood and eat human flesh and call it mass and communion. It is a ritual and that how it's done in other cults too. So it is idolatry.

The best way to know Prime Creator is Spirituality not religions.

Spirituality in its true form requires no worship, no sacrifice and Spirituality is Science in its latent form. Start from Holographic Universe and Solid State Physics and drop those ancient thoughts.

You do not need to confuse yourselves with truth. What you can't proof is really not worth believing. Prime Creator is Spiritual Intelligence. The eternal presence that is our essence . We are !

Eating bread and drinking wine is now cannibalism abi? I wonder how many of us are cannibals then..

MuttleyLaff:
"Then God said,
"Take your son, your only son, whom you love--Isaac--and go to the region of Moriah.
Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you."
- Genesis 22:2

I already
You saying, Isaac was not sacrificed, is jumping away from the point

The point, truth and fact is that, God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, as a burnt offering
so why did you then say:
"Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible."

Timemachine says a lot things.
It doesnt mean that what he says is right

You know what a strawman is, dont you Perfectbeing?
Give it a rest, as one of my biggest pet peeves is strawman

You obviously know what I meant when I said God doesn't require human sacrifices and he never asked for one. Yes God asked Abraham for his son but it is obvious he needed to show Abraham something. He really didn't needed a human sacrifice hence he stopped Abraham from killing Isaac..

amaniro:
thank you, that was actually a mistake but I felt reluctant in modifying it. I know but some practise in old Testament were nullified that's my point.

OK. if that's what you meant

MuttleyLaff:
"... But Jehovah was an enigma in the Abrahamic days,
he demanded lots of human sacrifices and wage wars against the Philistines through Israel"
- Timemachine © 2018

"And also someone said God requires human sacrifice.
Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible..."
- Perfectbeing © 2018

Perfectbeing, Perfectbeing, Perfectbeing.
How many times did I call you?

Wait I don't get. Did God ask for humans to be sacrificed? And please don't say Isaac. Isaac was not sacrificed. Timemachine said God requires a lot of human sacrifices. How is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross a lot of human sacrifices?

MuttleyLaff:
God required the perfect human sacrifice.

The challenge is how can anyone possibly get hold of the perfect human sacrifice.

Have you heard of the saying, that,
if you want something done well,
if you want something done perfectly well,
if you want it done to your taste or perfect standard,
you do it yourself.

Guess what happened Perfectbeing, concerning that issue of perfect human sacrifice

My quote was a reaction to the statement of 'Timemachine', where he said that "God requires a lot a human sacrifices" . God required only one human sacrifice and not a lot of them.

amaniro:
forget that chapter, do you know that is leventicus old Testament. Jesus saves us in new testament, if you just go about with this, just end up being judgemental people.

Mr Amaniro, you do not tell someone to forget any scripture in the Bible. Be it old or new. The old testaments was put there for a reason. Your Bible contains the old and New testaments doesn't it? Do you because of being in the new covenant of Christ tear out the old testaments from your Bible? I guess not.
Remember even Jesus quoted from the scriptures of old. Apostle Paul in his epistles, quoted from the old testaments. Peter, James and John did also.

And also, we know there's nothing wrong in wearing tattoos. But I won't advice you or anyone to wear tattoo. Not because it's a sin. But because you're damaging your body which is the temple of God. Do some research about what tattoo does to the body. Smoking isn't wrong also but it damages your health and that of people around you.

And also wearing tattoos makes you look rugged and rough and you won't look presentable to a lot of people. Some organisations won't employ you if you have visible tattoos on your body. In the world we live in today, people won't ask you if you're responsible or if you're a Christian before you given a job. They judge you at your outward appearance. I don't think if you own a firm and you see a guy who smokes and with tattoos all over his body you'd want to employ him. His outward appearance will give him as someone who you shouldn't trust you firm to as a good businessman. Remember, it is the way that you're dressed that you'll be addressed.

In case you already have tattoos on your body don't think God loves you any less. If you're a believer you're faultless in God's eyes. God doesn't see you anymore but he sees Jesus in you. But don't draw more tattoos OK. In fact, if it's not a permanent one, I'll advice you to remove it. If it is, just let it be be and don't draw more..
Bless you..

Perfectbeing:
Lev 19:21 "You must not cut off the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

The question now my friend is, do you cut the hair at the side of your head or do you clip off the edges of your beard (if you have beard)?

If yes, you're guilty of breaking one of the commandments.

The Bible is complete..

Jewish laws and customs forbade men from tattooing, shaving their beard or sides of hair. It forbade women from opening their hairs in synagogues or from decorating their bodies. It forbade the Jews from eating some food (like pigs) or touching them. It forbade them from having dealings with the gentiles. Those are Jewish customs. And I'm pretty sure you're not a Jew. If you want to keep the Jewish laws know that they're 613 of them. You can't keep one and forget about the remaining 612. You have to keep each and everyone of them. If you break one, you're guilty of breaking all of them (James 2:10-11). So as a guy, if you do not wear tattoo but you shave the sides of your hair or trim the edge of your beards, you're as guilty as someone who wears tattoo. And as a babe, If you cover your hair to church and you don't wear makeup but you eat pig meat or your best friend is a Moslem, according to Jewish customs and law you're a lawbreaker.

The law (the 10 commandments) was powerless to make us right with God because of our sinful nature (Heb 8:3). It wasn't to say the law was not perfect. Everything God does is perfect. So is the law. But we just couldn't handle the law because of our flesh was too weak. The law was too fault-finding. We had to keep every commandment to the end. If we break just one, we would be guilty of breaking all of them (James 2:10). Keeping the 10 commandments could look easy to us. Isn't it just to serve God, worship God, not bow to any other gods, not to dishonour your parents, not to murder, commit adultery, or fornication, not to steal, lie, covet our neighbors property etc. It looks easy right? But trust me it isn't. When you think you haven't committed adultery but you look at that pretty girl that just walked past you lustfully, you just committed adultery. When you think you haven't lie but you tell one white lie in the office or you tell a lie to save a friend you just broke the 6th commandment. When you think you honour your parents but you just called Buhari a fool and an idiot, you've dishonored your parents, when you think you've never murdered someone in your entire life but you call your brother a fool, the law will label you guilty of murder. When you think you haven't coveted your neighbor's property but you look at Davido's Lamborghini and you say in your mind "I wish that car is mine", you've just coveted. When you think you've never served any other God but instead of going to church on Sunday you had to be in your workplace, the law finds you guilty of idol worship.
The law deems almost anything you do as a man sin.

So what God did was to make things easy for us was send his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering (the same Heb 8:3). So he fulfilled the law for us. So once we believe in him we have fulfilled all the laws of God also...

But then some people will say, "perfectbeing, are you now saying that if someone believes in Jesus and he steals or murder someone, are you saying he's still in right standing with God?" You might want to quote Romans 6:1. But let me ask you something first, did you see me write to in anywhere that you should go and steal since you've believed and no longer under the law? Go and steal or kill if you like. You'll know whether the police is your friend or not.

That's not what I'm saying. When you believe your sinful nature is been replaced with the nature of Christ. Romans 6:1 says... Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? What was the reply in vs 2? "God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"
Impossible. Believers can no longer live in sin because the nature of sin is dead and buried. But it is still possible for for us believers to fall into sin (not live in sin) sometimes because even though our nature is changed, we still live in this weak body of ours. Our minds still needs to be regenerated. That can only happen when we keep reading and meditating on God's word daily.

"What's the difference between living in sin and falling into sin?" some might ask.

Have you ever seen a sheep in a mud water before? (I love NATGEO WILD so I know a lotta things about animals). When a sheep falls into mud, it becomes restless and uncomfortable and in distress. Why? Cos that's not it's nature. The sheep only becomes comfortable and normal after it is removed and cleaned. But try putting a pig in mud water. Good lord, you just found this pig another home. The pig is comfortable in this dirty water why? Because it is his nature to be dirty.. Even when you remove the pig from the dirt and you clean it, put it a bit close to the dirt and you'll see the pig going to get itself comfortable again..
That's the difference between the believer who fall into sin (the sheep) and the unbeliever (who lives in sin (the pig).
Sinner live the life of sin just like a pig but a believer doesn't.

So as a believer whenever you fall in sin, know that there's "therefore, now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death"
This I say not to encourage you to sin but that if you sin, you have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" I john 2:1.

GentlePEACE:
Leviticus 19:28, says: “You must not put tattoo marking upon yourselves.”

The Bible is complete.

Lev 19:21 "You must not cut off the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

The question now my friend is, do you cut the hair at the side of your head or do you clip off the edges of your beard (if you have beard)?

If yes, you're guilty of breaking one of the commandments.

The Bible is complete..

Perfectbeing:
Thanks sir for the post. It should be an eye opener for us Christians to stand for Christ. All we need s is to keep telling everyone about Christ every chance we get. When someone tries to ridicule the word, correct the person in love. Remember we were once enemies of God before we accepted this unfathomable life in Christ. We should try to let those we're correcting see the light and the only way to do that for some hardened hearts is through love and patience. Do give up on them and say "it's you that know. If you like believe, if you like don't believe " God didn't give up on you. So as long as they're still alive, there's still hope for them to be saved.

My advice for us is to not try to defend the word. Just tell them the word and the word will defend itself. Just like you don't defend a caged lion. What you do is open the cage and the lion will defend itself (hopefully it doesn't eat you.. lol)

I call you blessed OP...

And also OP, don't preach hell to them. Christ asked us to preach Himself not hell. Just tell them about the gospel of Christ cos it is the "power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes". Rom 1:16
The message of of hell only brings fear which is not of God. The fear of hell cannot save anyone from hell. But the gospel of Christ will.
At best the message of hell will only appeal to our human emotions and make us have a sense of resolution not to do bad things again. But this resolution will not stand the test of time because it's foundation is not in Christ. As a child, the fear of hell made me make a lot of resolutions. Some of which I broke before the break of dawn.

I can assure you that most of us here knows about hell. Prostitutes, armed robbers and murderers know what they're doing is wrong and if they die they'll go to hell. But even with this fear of hell, they don't stop selling their bodies, robbing people or murdering people. Funnily enough, It is even the fear of hell itself that makes Boko Haram terrorists to slaughter people everyday. They believe if they do this they'll make heaven and not hell. What Christ did on the cross over 2000 years ago is what they need to know..

I call you blessed..

Thanks sir for the post. It should be an eye opener for us Christians to stand for Christ. We need is to keep telling everyone about Christ every chance we get. When someone tries to ridicule the word, correct the person in love. Remember we were once enemies of God before we accepted this unfathomable life in Christ. We should try to let those we're correcting see the light and the only way to do that for some hardened hearts is through love and patience. Don't give up on them and say "it's you that know. If you like believe, if you like don't believe " God didn't give up on you. God obviously knew that some people will not believe but he sent Christ anyway. So keep telling those lost souls about Christ. As long as they're still alive, there's still hope for them to be saved.

My advice for us is to not try to defend the word. Just tell them the word and the word will defend itself. Just like you don't defend a caged lion. What you do is open the cage and the lion will defend itself (hopefully it doesn't eat you.. lol)

I call you blessed OP...

Some people keep uttering words they clearly don't know. "Even Jesus is not a Christian". Does that make any sense at all. Does Jesus need to be a Christian before he should be worshipped. What exactly is the meaning of "Christian" or "Christianity". It's just like saying "God did not serve God, so we shouldn't serve God"

And also someone said God requires human sacrifice. Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible...

pressplay411:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron. - 1 Timothy 4:1-3

But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. - 1 Timothy 4:7-8

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. -John 17:3-5

I like that. You just said the word outta my mouth

OneJ:
"...his name is the word of God' Rev 19:13.
Jesus the word simply means that he (Christ) is God's spokesman or Public Relations Officer ,so to say. (Just like Moses, Joshua, Amos etc before Christ).

"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways but in these last days, HE has spoken to us through his son whom HE appointed heir of all things & THROUGH whom HE made the universe".

" ...I do nothing on my own but SPEAK JUST WHAT THE FATHER HAS TAUGHT ME" John 8:28.

My Oga, this one no be rocket science. .

PS: I thought I had given my response in my previous reply. Pls kindly repost it.
Shalom.

Not once were the people you mentioned ( Moses, Joshua, Amos or the prophets) called the "Word of God" They weren't with God in the beginning. Neither are they begotten from God. Jesus is more than merely a spokesman or a PRO to God. He is the fullness in God in bodily form. Abraham, Moses and the prophets of old were merely spokesmen of God who doesn't deserve worship, honour and praise. Jesus deserve, worship and praise and honour.

MuttleyLaff:
Can you please quote James 1:27 here
to see what it says about religion that is true, pure and faultless before God's eye?

Can you quote John 3:16, 14:6, Heb 4:15

TimeMachine:
There are billions of Gods if not more. Always remember that. What ever nomenclature you want to use, always remember that Divine Spirit is not a being. The Creator is not a Being also. These are where religions have confusions. They just throw words around and confuse their members.

You will have to step outside religions to begin your journey. That is a great hindrance. You must take the narrow way. Religion is the broad way that you were warned against. You need Spirituality, not Religion. It is an individual journey. No one can do it for you. I wish you luck.

The funniest thing about this is that you guys will want to use the Bible to preach this devilish ideology of yours. The broad way the Bible talked about are those other ways (including this way of yours) man thinks can get him to God or get him saved. Jesus is the narrow way in the sense that, it is only through Him and Him alone that you can get to God. Apart from Jesus you'll never see or know God.

MuttleyLaff:
The meaning of the word God, carries the import that
God, is the Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence Self-Existing being cant be boxed up.

"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world"
- James 1:27

"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means
caring for orphans and widows in their distress
and refusing to let the world corrupt you."
- James 1:27

James 1:27 provides useful and interesting information on the type of religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless
James 1:27, clearly specifies, what genuine, authentic and faultless religion is

Well, actually, the word "religion" has changed its meaning from originally being benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need.

Yup, compassion cuts right through Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age etcetera
I doubt you've ever asked about someone's belief or unbelief first before giving your compassion?

If anyone wants to do religion, then compassion, is the religion, on record, deemed pure and faultless

Whatever the front,
the truth and fact is, what is fronted as pure and faultless religion in today's world, isnt it

Religion that is pure and faultless, is about not, how regular one prays, is not about regular congregated attendance,
Religion that is pure and faultless, is not, about wearing hijab or burka
Before what the world has become today, a priest & levite (i.e. "church" worker) had been known to slip up on what pure and faultless religion is

Anything less than practising pure and faultless religion, is not true and so thereby is false religion

Giving to the poor, widows and orphans cannot save you or put you right with God. Even the Pharisees did that. The pharisees followed every part to the law to the uttermost. They prayed to God, tithe, fasted, gave to the poor. They even left grains in their farms for widows...

If doing good was all you need to be right with God, the Jesus wouldn't have died. God would simply have said "whoever doeth good deeds and giveth to the poor and orphans and widows shall not perish but have everlasting life". But no that's not what God wants "he wants you to believe in Jesus and you will not perish but have everlasting life." Jh 3:16.

According to Jesus in John 6:29, the work of the father is this; to believe in the One He has sent.

Acts 10:1-48 tells us about a man named Cornelius. According to the Bible Cornelius and his household were "devout and God-fearing...gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly" but his acts of good works could not save him. God acknowledged this works of his and didn't wanted it to be wasted. So he sent for Peter to preach about Christ to Cornelius and his household. Cornelius believed and then he was saved. My brother, if Cornelius had not believed and he kept on doing his good works, he'd have died and gone to hell.

Now I'm not preaching against doing good works of Love. I do give whenever I can. The Bible clearly admonishes us believers to do good to others and give to them. To love our neighbors as ourselves. But if you do all this righteous deeds without believing in Jesus Christ you're not in right standing with God. Remember, "the righteous of man is as a filthy rags to God".
Jesus is the righteousness of God. The only way to be at right standing and faultless with God is through Christ and Christ alone.

I've been seeing things deeper than the bottomless pit since morning...

But I must say this.
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ.
The mystery of God has already been revealed in him. All man didn't knew about God before has been explained in Christ.

You guys keep saying God can't be contained in a box., or narrowed down in the Trinity.. But guess what? God was contained in Christ. The fullness of God dwelt in Christ. Jesus is all there is to know about God.

The complexity of God is simplified in Christ.
The unknown of God is known in Christ.
The mysteriousness of God is revealed in Christ. The invisibility of God is visible in Christ.
The distance of God has been drawn closer in Christ.
The nature of God has explained in Christ.
The love, mercy, compassion of God is shown in Christ.
How far God was willing to go for us is shown in Christ.

Any other mystery of God you wanna that is not in Christ will lead you into darkness.
Any other means, be it science, be it another religion. Apart from Jesus you will never ever ever know or understand God.
Jesus is the light that illuminates God. God can't be seen, known, felt or grasped without Jesus..

Think about it. If any other way existed for man to find God, God would never have wasted the blood of Christ.. If Science or another thing was a way to God, Christ wouldn't have come to Earth. C'mon guys, Jesus wouldn't have bothered going through those shits he endured on the cross for us. It seems you guys don't understand what Jesus endured on the cross -what God had to go through for man to know him. If we do, we won't think of thinking of another way to Him.
God kept using the prophets of old to tell us about Christ. He sent John the Baptist to prepare a way for him.

Please guys, I beg you to forsake that ideology of "transcending" or science of yours. And look unto Jesus. Your lives actually depends on it bro.

Bless you all... And happy Sunday..

MuttleyLaff:
"When you go through deep waters, I will be with you.
When you go through rivers of difficulty, you will not drown"
- Isaiah 43:2a

Deeper than the bottomless pit

Maamin:
Lol...you are really working yourself up on this. Yet you don't even grasp the John 1:3.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him(the word/Jesus); and without him( the word/Jesus) was not any thing made that was made.

Now listen carefully, the Word/Jesus came out of or was with ONE (God the almighty creator aka the father)

Nothing meaning everything else, be it angels, humans, heavens, earth in fact the universe, materialised through this word/Jesus that also came out of the one who was with/possess or who sent out the word/Jesus to perform all things (God the father).

God the father remains standing gidigba as the one and only.

Now that you've said all these, where did you put the coin? Left or right?

Perfectbeing:
Some of you might want to say, "Wait a minute, Perfectbeing. You didn’t read the verse carefully. You missed something in the text. Notice the phrase ‘apart from Him.’ The apostle John excludes Jesus from the count in this verse. If you said, ‘Apart from Johnny, the whole family is going to the zoo’ you wouldn’t mean that Johnny wasn’t part of the family, just that he wasn’t included in the count. Every member of the family is going to zoo with the exception of Johnny. In the same way, every created thing was created by Jesus with the exception of Jesus Himself. Jehovah created Jesus first, then Jesus created everything else.”

Now that sounds smart doesn't it?

But you're the one that didn't the verse carefully. Note that with this claim, you're replacing “apart from Him” with the phrase “excluding Jesus.” According to you they are synonymous. In other words what you just said was,

(Replacing "apart from" with "with the exception of Jesus.
The verse then looks like this)
“with the exception of Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being "

The reconstructed phrase is nearly nonsense. What it actually means, is that Jesus is the only created thing that exists.
Read it again and see for yourself.

Obviously, the phrase “apart from Jesus” can’t mean “with the exception of Jesus.” These phrases are not synonymous.

“Apart from Him” means something entirely different. It’s the same as saying, “Apart from me you’ll never get to Lagos. I’ve got the car.” The statement clearly means"apart from me, you can't go to Lagos. Why? Because I have the car (assuming there's no other way to Lagos but the car.
"Apart from Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being. Why? Because Jesus is the Creator. He is God. That makes perfect sense in the context.. Another example will be "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Apart from me no one can see the father ". The statement doesn't mean "except Jesus, no one else can see the father. But rather it means "apart from Jesus no one can see the father. Why? Because, he's the only way to the Father..

After all this, the only reason you still want to place to coin at the right hand side of the box is pride. Not commonsense but pride.