₦airaland Forum

plainbibletruth:
As much as you are not giving tithes under the Law you also have NO justification to base it on Abraham's.

Looking into NAIRALAND, tithing has been discussed well before now. To want to beat a guy who joined the train along the way smacks of insincerity and deceit.

You have NO AUTHORITY to determine who is a Christian or not. NONE!

Rebuke taken Post adjusted

Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )

CHARLOE:
While reading d daily devotional of d RCCG of wed 17 march, 2010, titled ONE HUNDRED FOLD RETURN, it says pastors are priests, and encourages d reader to always sow in d lives of their priests (pastors) in order 4 dem to get a 60 fold return. It went further to say general overseers (G.O's) are high priests and also ecourages d reader to always sow into d live of their G.O. to get a 100 fold return. It went further to implore the reader not to mind the fact that their G.O.'s have d luxuries of life while sowing into thier lives.
   
My points of disagreement with the above:
1. I'm yet to see anywhere in d bible that says pastors are priests and general overseers are high priests, instead d scripture says ;ye (children of God) are a holy nation, a royal priesthood'. And we have just 1 high priest- Jesus Christ (cant get d relevant scriptures now but am sure u're familiar with them.)

2. Please where in d scripture does it say if you sow into the live of pastors/'priests' you'll get a 60 fold return, and if you do same to general overseers/'high priest' you get 100 fold returns?

Pls somebody enlighten me on the above, or am I missing something here?

It's only as administrative illustration . That doesn't mean he's referring to them as our high priests . Look at the scripture below For example

Exodus 7:1
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet

Was Moses a god? Was Aaron a prophet no? But administrative Illlustration . It simply means Moses will speak through Aaron just as God speaks through a prophet

Jesusgirl92:
Who talk say tithe na the passport to Heaven before??

I don’t know where they got such silly idea from . Has anyone preached tithe and heaven ?

Who go throw me for fire?? You?? And when did you become the Almighty ?? lol?? See threat sha....lol... On top my own money. I go burn for fire because I dey pay tithe... Aunty Judge, biko continue dey talk carelessly o... Na my mouth??... But comot eye for our tithe and mind your business....

They just want To justify their hard heart .Judas was angry for the poor . But the Bible says it’s not because he love the poor . He was the real ole!

CharlieMaria:
The question is does the scriptures in any way say that these men were born of Mary? In the gospel of luke22:32 Jesus called the other apostles the brothes of Peter.... In Gen11:1-26,14:14&13:8 Abraham was called the brother of Lot but was the apostles from the same womb? Or was Abraham and Lot from The same womb? Acts 1:14-15 says Jesus brothers were about 120...

I agree with you The word brethren could be used corporately for a whole congregation and also unsed for biological brothers . But If you read it in context . The meaning is very simple.

Matthew 17:1
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother. . . .

Many passages refers to James as the brother of john . It's very obvious that they were biological brothers even though they were both apostles
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Wow! Could Mary have given birth to 120children by herself alone?

John 7:5 (AMPC)
For [even] His brothers did not believe in or adhere to or trust in or rely on Him either.

Who was the verse above addressing as his brothers ?

MosesAlex:
There is a common question, did Mary have any other children?

Many quote Mt 13:55 that list the brothers of Jesus.

See the identity of the brothers of Jesus so that so may you may understand that these are sons of Alpheus (Two of them are apostles).

The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.

Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)

Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).
Hence the brothers are simply his relatives. Since their Mother is a sister to Mary the Mother of Jesus

Mathew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?  56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?  

they were Jesus natural brethren. They were not disciples in the days of his ministry . They hadn't believed on him yet

John 7:5 (AMPC)
For [even] His brothers did not believe [/b]in or adhere to or trust in or rely on Him either.

[b]Mark 3:31 (AMP)
Then His mother and His brothers came and, standing outside, they sent word to Him, calling [for] Him.

Ferisidowu:
OK but pls can you tell us the difference in a way we'd understand more

Romans 12:6 (KJV)
whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Anyone can prophesy , by making pronouncements or declaration of Gods word according to his faith . Another speaks by the gift of prophecy. He heard from God. But a prophet is someone who is called into the office of a prophet . He has and operates in certain gifts such as Word of knowledge, Word of Wisdom ,and gift of prophecy , .

Prediction is part of prophecy . But primarily , prophecy is forth telling .

But the fact that a man prophesies doesn’t make him a Prophet .

There’s difference between prophesying and the gift of prophecy and there’s diffeence between he that has the gift of prophecy and a PROPHET

godunia:
Most pastors watch porn movies

Which pastor did you see?

OkCornel:
If physical circumcision is a shadow of the real thing which is a circumcision of the heart (mind)

If animal sacrifice is a shadow of the real thing which is the death and resurrection of Jesus who reconciles man to God

Why can't tithing be a shadow of the real thing which is sacrificial giving as outlined by Jesus in Matthew 25 v 31-46?

Will you settle for good when there is best?

Tithing and free will offerings are not shadows of anything brother. Jesus says tithe

OkCornel:
Let's avoid going round in circles. Do a thorough research of Jewish history to know how tithes were handled...and corroborate this with the bible.

Go to wikipedia and search for "tithing in Judaism". I can save you the stress by putting the details here. Then you will tell me whether tithing as done in the church has any scriptural basis.

I have more than enough external reference materials . I try to restrict myself to scriptures for now . Kindly do same.

plainbibletruth:
1. How do we identify the shadows?
2. What is your definition of "principles"?

Every shadow has real . There’s a real sin offering , there a real circumcision

OkCornel:
If circumcision is the seal required of people to commit to the old covenant terms (which includes animal sacrifice and tithing) , and Paul clearly preached that circumcision is not a requirement for you to be a member under the terms of the new covenant

The curcumcission of the Old Testament was a shadow of the real .

Philippians 3:3 (KJV)
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.


Christ has fulfilled the real . Tithes and offering ,alms ,prayers has no fulfillment . The were not shadows . They were principles . And principles transcend dispensations .

...please how is tithing then obligatory for Christians to follow?

I prefer the word "necessity " tithes and offerings ,prayers ,alms ,fastings etc are all necessities .

Moreso, even when gold and silver were the legal tender in ancient times, where did God instruct His children through the Law to pay tithes monetarily?

I showed you more that enough times where money were used. I may not go round in circles

petra1 , don't get it twisted...the Law in itself has eternal principles...even the new covenant has eternal principles, that's why you must make a choice on which side you belong to. You cannot eat out of the Tree of Life (New Covenant) and the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil (Law - Old Covenant) at the same time.

The principles of the kingdom cut across both Old and new . The New is based on the old principles

The Law is no longer obligatory on Christians... choose where you belong...do you want to be a devout Pharisee or a follower of Jesus?

I gree with you . The law was given for man to pursue righteousness but because of the fallen nature . The law only reveal their inadequacy. Because the sin nature could not do right .


Romans 7:10-16 (KJV)
And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.


The best among men is still a sinner . So God gave man righteousness without the works of the law. But that doesn't destroy the content of godly principles in the law. sin is a transgression of the law.

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


The only weakness of the law is when a man wants to be justified by works . He has fallen from grace . But as long as you're not seeking salvation through works . The law is a guide for right and wrong. That's the only document we have . If you throw the law out . What we have. Left is lawlesnes . The only reason Paul could condemn homosexuality is because it's against the law. The only reason Paul could uphold honoring parents is because the law say so . If you comdemdn the law . You will be in contradiction mess .

Mirand606:
DO JET-SETTING CHURCHES CARE FOR THE POOR?

By Leke Beecroft

As early as April 1984 in a service in the young Living Faith Church where the total offering was ten naira (N10.00), the whole amount was given to one person who had come to Church looking very gloomy to sort out his personal issues. All other jet owning Churches in this category namely the Adeboye led RCCG, Oyakhilome’s Christ Embassy, Ayo Oritsejafor’s Word of Life and please permit me in this instance, the man in the Synagogue, I know as the most vibrant and generous Churches with regards to giving to the poor even though most of them do not have a system of broadcasting it.

Is it Ayo Oritsejafor’s annual program where he gives cars, keke NAPEP (Marwa), grinding machines, motor cycles etc while doling out large sums of money in Warri regardless of their religion or denomination? Is it Chris Oyakhilome’s Inner City Mission which takes special interest in feeding little children? Are we looking at tons of otherwise unemployed youth who have crossed from poverty to wealth on the basis of the foundation given by him? Have we forgotten that Frank Edward was a hawker before God changed his story miraculously? Why do great people like Sinach, Buchi, Joe Praize, Samsong, Frank Edward, Eben and others always seem to get on our nerves when appreciating Pastor Chris? Is it not because he was the one that gave them the required push and we all now wait for and rush any latest material by any of them? How many of them could be termed as rich before meeting Pastor Chris?

Is it Winners Chapel annual N500m non-interest loans or help to crisis ridden areas like Sierra Leone and Rwanda? Her gift to Osun State workers, rescue mission with food supply and provision of Pipe-borne water on Koma Hills, Heavy consignments to Ikeja blast victims, mission in Southern Sudan, face lift of Omu Aran, fixing of road in Ota which was to be done at N560 million naira while the State Government had billed the same road for N4.4 billion naira? Are we talking about Oyedepo’s mandate that no primary school aged child should be out of school in the Church? Have we forgotten Nkechi Okwuone’s testimony at Shiloh 2017 where she said as directed by the Bishop, members should all have a ‘help list’ (most will ignore this but attack tithing). All those good at listening to stuff from church to criticize all played deaf to that testimony by her where she said 5% of her income was kept specifically for the needy on her her help list. It becomes more interesting when you find that the Church according to her 5 year old
constitution, the Mandate allocates some percentage of her income to the poor annually in her posterity mandate which is aimed at feeding the hungry, clothing the Unclad, providing shelter for the homeless and total emancipation of humanity. It is also humorous that all the critics are too blind to see it. I will not forget to mention the multi-million naira David Oyedepo Scholarship Scheme which thousands of indigent student have benefited from as well as the fact that Landmark University awards more scholarship than any other university in Nigeria.

The RCCG is another major example of a Church ministering to the needs of the poor. Infact the RCCG is addressing the elephant in the room. At least 50% of the young people reading this article are on some form of cheap illegal substance or the other. That is where CADAM of RCCG presently headed by Dokun Ayodeji comes in. Statistics have it that 7 out of 10 youth in Nigeria are engaged in drugs. Calabar and Warri are particularly notable cases where the statistics are probably higher.

The N200 million CADAM Ultra-Modern Rehabiltation Centre in Araga-Epe, Lagos is a case in point.
Christ Against Drug Abuse Ministry-CADAM, a rehabilitation centre for drug addicts and abusers is an initiative of the RCCG established In 1991, CADAM was started as a department in church
CADAM has assisted more than 2000 beneficiaries, most of whom have become professionals and well-to-do persons in the society.

What about the refurbishment, upgrade and equipping of Intensive Care Unit of the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital. The Intensive Care Unit equipped with multi-million naira facilities including 5,000 ICU Beds, four Alpha-Active Mattresses, B-Braun Infusion Pumps, Syringe Pumps, Multi-Parameter Patient monitors and bedside lockers?

The influence of THE REDEEMED CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF GOD is beyond the four walls of Nigeria as the church’s presence is in over 190 countries of the world.

Thousands of CSR activities has been embarked upon by the Church both home and abroad. They also have many sponsored mission fields all over the world irrespective of the denomination. Yet, the passion to do more is an undeniable thirst for Enoch Adeboye.
Here are some more of the contributions of this jet-setting Church to humanity; I will list only 20 for want of time and space:

1. Donation of the Enoch Adeboye Community center for the homeless in Delaware, USA.

This community center serves as a place of refuge for the homeless and those in need of help. Some of its benefits includes a free health care services, Internet access, bed spaces, bathrooms, feeding etc.

2. Construction of a road at Eliada Community, Rumuogba Town, Obio/Akpor LGA of Rivers State, Nigeria which links the church, an estate and a clinic.

3. Sponsoring of some less privileged children. This includes the payment of their school fees in Wesley Methodist Nursery and Primary School, Ikom and other basic needs of the children.

4. Donation of free diapers to Nursing mothers at Meiran Health Centre in Ijaiye LGA, Lagos

5. Renovation 57-year-old Police Station in Lagos.

6. Fixing of Abandoned and unmotorable 15km stretch of road in Osun State; From the Palace of the King in Ile-Ife to the Palace of the King in Ifewara (Adeboye’s place of birth) such that farmers might be able to get their harvest to potential buyers in urban areas.

7. Building & equipping a 12-classroom block as donation to Ojodu Primary School.

8. Countless traders smiling to the banks during RCCG Conventions.

9. Donation of foodstuff to unpaid Oyo State civil servants.

10. Donation of chairs and tables to Meiran Community Primary School in Ayobo Ipaja LCDA in Lagos.

11. Free Feeding of about 7 million people from 80 nations during RCCG Annual Conventions

12. Free Clinics and hospitals such as ‘healing stripes’ where Nigerians can walk to and receive treatment for free.

13. Donation of sports complex in Lagos in a bid to ensure that more young souls are won for Christ.

14. Provision of Medical Supplies to the People of Vanuatu.

15. Feeding of prisoners in Nigeria’s major prison, Kirikiri Maximum Prison on Sunday.

16. Training of 5000 Ilupeju residents on vocational skills as part of the CSR of the church to members of its community.

17. Over N350million has been donated to an Educational initiative called "Pastor E.A. Adeboye Professorial Chair of Maths".
This money was donated to State owned universities in Nigeria to improve the educational situation.

18. Free allocation of landed property to Church members to build houses.

19. Renovation of 4 police stations in Surulere area of Lagos State.

20. Payment of education bills for its full time national staffs children up till University level. This applies to the first three kids.

Effectively, we have a situation where the Church is busy filling so many many gaps that government has been unable to fill but ironically still receives the flak from the indiscernible public for not doing more to help the government. Where should energies be directed? If the Church manages just a tenth of what the government earns, truth is, we would have a different Nigeria already.

On a tour of Covenant University (CU) and during a private conversation by former President Obasanjo and Bishop Oyedepo, they came across the CU-Library, one of the biggest in Africa. ‘How much did you spend to build this’? asked President Obasanjo. Oyedepo responded that it cost N500 million naira. Obasanjo exclaimed loudly in amazement “Even if you hit your head against the ground, you will never get this out with that amount in government. Officials at all levels of government will take out theirs before leaving the remnant for the job”.Obasanjo should know because he built a presidential library for which about N50 billion naira was raised while he governed Nigeria for over 11 years cummulatively. I have visited that library and I know the difference between the N500 million naira CU Library at Ota and the N50 billion naira Presidential Library at Abeokuta. You can go see for yourself.


As regards cost of her schools, a simple illustration. The secondary school at the University of Lagos the International School, Lagos (ISL) a day school charges same amount of fees as Faith Academy (FA), Canaanland, a boarding school. In a discussion with a student who had crossed over from one of the schools to the other, she noted that there were an average of 20 students in a class at FA while there were up to 50 in a class at ISL. ISL, a government owned school only deals with students during the week days while FA accommodates and feeds the students-for the same amount. Do the maths.
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It's churches who has been helping the poor. Yet Satan keeps attacking churches

sonofthunder:
What is the use (profit), my brethren, for anyone to profess to have faith if he has no [good] works [to show for it]? Can [such] faith save [his soul]?

15If a brother or sister is poorly clad and lacks food for each day,

16And one of you says to him, Good-bye! Keep [yourself] warm and well fed, without giving him the necessities for the body, what good does that do?

17So also faith, if it does not have works (deeds and actions of obedience to back it up), by itself is destitute of power (inoperative, dead).

18But someone will say [to you then], You [say you] have faith, and I have [good] works. Now you show me your [alleged] faith apart from any [good] works [if you can], and I by [good] works [of obedience] will show you my faith.

19You believe that God is one; you do well. So do the demons believe and shudder [in terror and horror such as [a]make a man's hair stand on end and contract the surface of his skin]!

20Are you willing to be shown [proof], you foolish (unproductive, spiritually deficient) fellow, that faith apart from [good] works is inactive and ineffective and worthless?

21Was not our forefather Abraham [shown to be] justified (made acceptable to God) by [his] works when he brought to the altar as an offering his [own] son Isaac?(C)

22You see that [his] faith was cooperating with his works, and [his] faith was completed and reached its supreme expression [when he implemented it] by [good] works.

23And [so] the Scripture was fulfilled that says, Abraham believed in (adhered to, trusted in, and relied on) God, and this was accounted to him as righteousness (as conformity to God's will in thought and deed), and he was called God's friend.(D)

24You see that a man is justified (pronounced righteous before God) through what he does and not alone through faith [through works of obedience as well as by what he believes].

25So also with Rahab the harlot--was she not shown to be justified (pronounced righteous before God) by [good] deeds when she took in the scouts (spies) and sent them away by a different route?(E)

26For as the human body apart from the spirit is lifeless, so faith apart from [its] works of obedience is also dead.
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emmm I'm not sure what else after this.

Faith without work is dead

live4dgospel:
This is the deceit of the Devil, Both pre-tribulation and post-tribulation raptures are false. Only the mid-tribulation rapture is correct. Can we challenge over that with the Bible? Can you Prove me wrong with the Bible?... I'm waiting!!

I will respond with verses but not today

OrestesDante:



∆ lies.. ∆

it very true. I've prayed for someone who's sick and the person began to cough until a long pin came out which he never swallowed

OkCornel:
If circumcision is the seal required of people to commit to the old covenant terms

those were shadows of christ. what christmas fulfilled is no applicable. christ dindint fulfil freewill offering nor tithe, nor alms. where did the bible says to stop tithing

live4dgospel:
There can't be more than one rapture for believers, there is only one and only one rapture. After the rapture the remaining people on earth will certainly end up in hell without fail. Just like the foolish virgins in Jesus parable, Christians who expect another rapture after the first one will be disappointed for sure!

There is pre tribulation rapture , there's mid tribulation rapture and there's post tribulation rapture .

dyydxx:
just read this to get a proper understanding of why the book is heretical

The book of Enoch was part of scriptures until 500 years ago .Are you aware the apostles quoted from them

dyydxx:
I beg to differ. There is no generalization here. Bestiality is sexual relations with animals. it is clearly covered in the meaning of the word translated Fornication. The word is Porneia and clearly includes bestiality. No ambiguity at all

Wrong! Fornication actually is idolatry . A kind of satanism where there's sexual ritual . I said earlier if you want to generalize you could have as well say "SIN " covers bestiality and every sexual malpractice . If you're justified to generalize do the same with tithe

Besides tithes is even more direct


1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

rejosom:
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Now if my pastor boss knows Malachi 3:10 but not Deuteronomy 14:22, how on earth will his congregation ever open that part of the bible?
#freethesheeple

All of you have been deceived by daddy freeze . You are the one who didn't study your bible well .The Tithe the people used for feast is different from the tithe given to God which is strictly for ministers of God

The tithe to God.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting

We are not tithing because the law say so but because it was already a spiritual principle before the law came .

dyydxx:
There is a reason the gnostic gospels were expunged from what we know as the scriptures today. Those books contain very controversial and heretical beliefs that can't be verified by the holy spirit or even historians.

Are you aware that there were references to them from the Bible even the epistles .

dyydxx:
what do you understand by the word fornication? do you even know the meaning of the word translated fornication? what is sexual immorality?

Thats generalisation. you could as well say "SIN' .

On Beastility

Rom 1:28-31
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:



14. Galatians 5:19-24

Now the deeds of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

Jude 1:7

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1 Cor 6:9-10

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

On Incest

In the New Testament, however, such behavior was forbidden. John the Baptist condemned the marriage of Herod Antipas to his brother Philip's wife (Mark 6:17)

all these are just generalisation. if you can do generalisation here. why do you insists on specifics on tithe. thats double standard . theres nothing you dressed here that has to do with either incest or bestiality. strange flesh was homosexuality.

i coould see that you all saw my point and trying to just find an answer sha anyhow. the truth is there is no answer. can a brother marry his sister? can a man marry his dog. now i want you also to know that these things are already being practiced . people are marrying their dogs and blood relatives. my deep concerns which should be yours also is that . in this generation of perversion .if a christian or our own child wants to marry his sister, or his dog. on what ground will you contend it as a sin? lets lay aside this political party figth. if you destroy the law . you throw morality out of the window in christ.

MuttleyLaff:
Don't mind Petra1 and his pass down interpretations, he gobbled up without verifying it first

I did my researches . Even in other manuscripts like the book of Enoch and the book of jasher . More details are there .

Genesis 4:26 , is another of those verses favoured for dirty interpretations.

What I would like to see is Petra1's exegesis on how he concluded and attributed Genesis 4:26 to say:
"At one time men didn't know about praying or worship or personal relationship with God . But in the days of Enos God granted man the understanding. And it became part of Godd principles for us" sic.

Genesis 4:26 (NLT)
When Seth grew up, he had a son and named him Enosh. At that time people first began to worship the Lord by name.

Genesis 4:26 (Message)
And then Seth had a son whom he named Enosh.
That's when men and women began praying and worshiping in the name of God.

dyydxx:
where does the bible say to tithe in the new testament?

Where does the Bible say not to commit bestiality in the New Testament .
Where does the Bible say . Not to marry your sibling in the New Testament ?

plainbibletruth:
Petra1, to say i'm disappointed at your responses would be an understatement.

One would have thought that this tithing issue is serious to you for you to be able to give clear scriptures to support your answers to questions but that HARDLY happens.

Also, FACTS that a kindergarten Christian should know seem unclear to you.

Is it that you've been so shaken by this tithe thing that it's beginning to unsettle you?

stop getting personal. i dealt with several topics on nairaland. why should my tithe post unsettle you. i stand for my conviction . either on eschatology , justification ,healing,miracles etc etc . why getting personal on money matter. it only gives me impression. I'm making valid point. and some are just looking for ways to shut my mouth. because when you enter insults and banters ,i pull out .

Now, please react to these from your response:

In the case before us now, which is the Federal law and which is the State law?

its only an illustration

Are you saying, from the above, that Cain and Abel were not worshipping God and had no knowledge or relationship with God? They were before Enosh.

I'm sure you read the portion i quoted. or you still want to do'SHOW ME FROM BIBLE'

If like you've been holding on to, tithing is an "eternal principle", why would it now be that it was "in the days of Abraham God introduced tithing"?
Is it that God did not want previous generation to be part of the "eternal principle"?

thats a digression

Is the Church Age superior to any other age under God's kingdom?

Is it expected that God's revelation in the Church Age will be more than was in the past dispensations?

kindly enlighten us

plainbibletruth:
I will shortly answer you BUT I'm seriously considering putting up a thread titled either:
Petra1 MONIKER HAS BEEN COMPROMISED! or
IS Petra1 MONIKER USED BY A NUMBER OF PERSONS?

You will know why later.

there is nobody hijacking any monicker. lets leave banters and sentiments . kindly read my post with neutral mind for once.

plainbibletruth:
I ask again a QUESTION you have been avoiding:
Petra1, is there a clear picture in the NT as to how Christians gave? If so, was tithing involved?

Is there a separate bible for the church?

plainbibletruth:
Why should the Christian give tithe also?

Because tithes and offerings have been part of God system. And there is never an ending to it. It's a principle . Why do you take some and leave some .

What are "principles" in the kingdom of God?

I should count them ?

The church age is only an interuption of what?

Federal law supercede state laws . The lesser is included in the greater.

Why is the church age not for ever?
How is the kingdom of God is bigger than the church?[/quote]The kingdom of God has been . And there are spiritual principles in the kingdom. God unveil to man from time to time and grant him ability to know these spiritual laws.

At one time men didn't know about praying or worship or personal relationship with God . But in the days of Enos God granted man the understanding. And it became part of Godd principles for us .

Genesis 4:26 (KJV)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.


The principle is still on today . Also in the days of Abraham God introduced tithing . Abraham was a prophet who had insight into principles . God gave testimony of him that He trusted Abraham to pass his knowledge to next generation.

Genesis 18:19 (NLT)
I have singled him out so that he will direct his sons and their families to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just. Then I will do for Abraham all that I have promised.”

Genesis 18:19 (Message)
Yes, I've settled on him as the one to train his children and future family to observe God's way of life, live kindly and generously and fairly, so that God can complete in Abraham what he promised him."

Tithing has become part of the system .That's how Jacob got to know through Isaac his father . It's not an isolated case. So it's funny if no tithers claim Abraham tithe was "merely legal tax . And Jacob was merely personal vow . Offering, tithes , vows ,prayers ,alms , fasting , have become part of God worship before the law came . The fact that the law mentioned them it's only and endorsement of an existing principle .

Church age is temporal it existed in the bigger which is Gods kingdom . Christ is the head of the church . God is the head of the kingdom

1 Corinthians 15:24 (KJV)
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.