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dyydxx:
Please do, and answer in very clear terms referencing the relevant scriptures.

Freeze might be an hypocrite, but on this tithe matter he is spot on.

. No one has been able to refute Freeze with scriptures and there is a very simple reason for that, The scriptures actually back up freeze.

dyydxx:
@Muttleylaff

God bless you. Honestly it gladdens my heart so see that we have berean christians in our midst who can do independent research and verify scriptures,

My mom na 'Mama Ijo'..lol (People's warden) of the church, infact she is the 'tithe enforcer' if I can describe it like that). Her mindset is very firmly in the tithe tribe very much just like Petra1. She will even tell you her personal experiences and conviction on how God has blessed her from being a faithful tither. it's a tall order trying to convince a 65 year old woman

The consequences of this revelations or should I say unintended consequences is that how do people cope with the fact that they have believed a lie for decades, because they are in a limbo. I believe that's the issue with Petra1 too, same thing that any sincere believer will have to wrsetle with after the truth dawns on his/her heart. what do they do? in Petra1 case, he might even be the one preaching and encouraging believers to tithe, and for years. They would much rather hold on to the religion than get delivered from this kind of error.

MuttleyLaff:
Brother, I have been there, done that, even have the tithe T-shirt I bought
I was not bad, not worse, but was the worst.

I was so concerned, even beyond being pedantic, with minor details and "rules" about tithing
I remember, back in the day, making it my duty, and correcting the money counters, against mixing up tithes with the "offering"

MuttleyLaff:
Hmm, I salute you ooo
Mo gbedi, beri fun e oo
Which king are you talking of?
Is it king of Salem or the king of Sodom you're talking of?

WhichWayNaija:
Abraham's tithe wasn't from his wealth but the spoils of war, remember?

Thegospelman:
I wish you abandon your thought, and rather follow the word of God. You said there are 6 types of raptures. That's Elijah rapture, Enoch rapture, Jesus rapture, 2 witnesses rapture etc. What's all this for? We are talking about the coming back of Christ and our gathering together with Him. That's what's every Christian is eagerly waiting for.

OkaiCorne:
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You "monetary tithers" keep saying that from Genesis to Revelation, you never saw where tithing was abolished BUT I also noted that some of these laws I'm stating below were also not abolished as well...so why aren't you observing them?

Deutoronomy 22 v 11-12;
11"You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together.
12"You shall make yourself tassels on the four corners of your garment with which you cover yourself.…

Leviticus 19:19
'You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.

If you are not observing these, what could be your reasons sir?

RALPHOW:
God specified what tithe is meant for
So that there will be meat in my house
Do not say what the Bible did not say.

dyydxx:
Excellent. Did you notice Petra1 couldn't come up with any kind of rebuttal. God bless you my bro

plainbibletruth:
I have said it before; WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW.

It is the NEW that interprets the OLD. The NEW replaced the OLD. The NEW SUPERCEDES the OLD.

MuttleyLaff:
What an abhorrent thing to suggest bestiality or even to think about it

So you've jettisoned incest,
and it's bestiality that's now taken to your fancy

You're behaving like a desperate person who fell into a river but is clutching on whatever straw is in sight, trying to save himself from drowning

Didn't you read plainbibletruth's properly?
Plainbibletruth wrote:
WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW

Now, Petra1, for you to thoughtlessly say, that means Christians can practice bestiality, please tell us Petra1, was bestiality ever required in the old, in order for it to be clearly stated in the new, for Christians, or anyone else for that matter to practice it?

Thegospelman:
So to you, rapture is synonymous with resurrection, because the Bible says through the resurrection of Jesus Christ saints also have hope of resurrection. So it is no longer the 'resurrection of Jesus Christ' but the 'rapture of Jesus Christ'?

Please build your faith on the word of God and not on theologians

When we talk about rapture it is nothing else but coming back of Jesus Christ to take up all the saints dead or alive. If Enoch and Elijah were taken up by God does it mean that rapture has taken place? Those events happened so believers in the gospel of water and the Spirit might believe that God is capable of resurrecting us. In other words it is actually a sign and proof of resurrection and not rapture.

Thegospelman:
There's one and only one rapture. Concerning the two olive trees ( also known as the two lampstands or two witnesses) as recorded in Revelation 11. What actually takes takes place is not rapture but rather it is resurrection it is written [b]"Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them

plainbibletruth:
I have said it before; WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW.

It is the NEW that interprets the OLD. The NEW replaced the OLD. The NEW SUPERCEDES the OLD.

plainbibletruth:
Maybe this issue of incest (which was unnecessarily brought into this tithe discussion by Petra1) will be now be clear to him.

I don't think he'll give up though. He will go BACK TO pre-law or the Law to seek for something else to use RATHER THAN concentrate on the precepts given to him for his life under the New Covenant

Ephesians 6:2 (KJV Strong's)
2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

MuttleyLaff:
Cain married his sister
Revered Abraham married his sister

Like the other time I replied you,
the reason why incest got discontinued by God, is to guard against genetic disorders, as the DNA pool has begun to degenerate.

Hmm, smh, there is God ooo Petra1
Are you 110% sure the New Testament never said anything about incest?

Hmm, smh again, there is God ooo again Petra1
Are you sure no one honestly and frankly answered?

The thing tire me sef
I was shocked and surprised as much as you too

You are not to have sexual relations with your father's wife.
It's your own father's unclothedness.
- Leviticus 18:8

In short, it is reported that there is fornication among you;
fornication such as this which is not even named among the pagans:
As far as a son that would take his father's wife..
- 1 Corinthians 5:1

Maybe we should just let Petra1 be, so he can continue believing that Paul never in 1 Corinthians 5:1 talked about incest

The man and step-mom collabo, in 1 Corinthians 5:1 above, is incest and fornication

Give it a rest.
"Can a christian marry is sibling" is attacking a straw man

Dont mind Petra1 jaare
We see how Paul categorically, publicly and clearly, for all to see, gives a piece of his mind concerning what he thinks of incest as whether it is something for believers to practice or not
but nowhere, not even in an extremely small amount, does Paul categorically, publicly and clearly, for all to see, gives a piece of his mind
concerning what he thinks of tithe, as whether it is something for believers to practice or not

Goshen360:
You are not making ANY point. I made a BOLD STATEMENT against your comments so pick up your concordance and study fornication. You will know fornication is an INCLUSIVE word just like many words of the bible ARE INCLUSIVE WORDS. Stop spreading lies because you want to defend tithe. It's a wrong statement just like MANY OTHERS you've been saying that incent is not taught or mentioned in the new testament, that's what I'm opposing that statement.

wirinet:
You people know how to twist a sentence to mean whatever you wish.

Sleeping with your father's wife ( steps mother) is not necessarily incest.

This is the definition of incest;


Your step mom is not related to you by blood. Since Judaism did not forbid polygamy, it was not uncommon for one to have multiple step moms, some very young.
So Paul was not talking about incest in 1 Corinthians 5:1, if he wanted to talk about incest he would have mentioned sex between a son and a mother or between a father and a daughter.

nicemuyoo:
Abrahams tithe was a custom of the land over practiced back then. If you go on war and you are successful. You give a percentage commonly 10% of your spoil of wars to the king/ priest of the land or area where you live. It is a cultural practise of the land . Pagans do it too and That is a fact.

Abraham did not tithe out is abundant profits as he was already blessed before giving a tithe of the spoils of war!
God order by law through Moses that ONLY 1% of the spoils of war should be given to the levites/ priest. 
Tithing spoils of war and tithing your profit are two different things

Abraham never tithe out of is personal profit.

Jesus, James, Paul, Peter never taught tithing or collected tithe. They mat have made reference to it while making or discussing another issue but no teaching on tithing Fact!

The support Paul was all about is helping travelling ministers not resident and stationary ones. Help them via donations for bare necessities not luxury!! And not via tithe. Only bare necessities so they are not impoverish . Paul said he would rather die than demand for provision from the church( bare necessities mind you)

We are not like those that pedal the gospel of our lord. Are you a hiring doing it for return or you are a bride that does the work free out of a love for the bridegroom!!

This have been twisted today into tithe and exploitation which our saviour never commanded. Placing heavy burden on people like the Pharisee twisting the word of God saying if you make a vow to give to God you can fulfil that vow first even if it means neglecting your parents

o you nullify the word of God to sooth our own teachings. And Jesus said you do many other things like that! Jesus, Paul, James, Peter taught about given & donation, that has all been ignored by today's church, bringing back what was established in church in 777AD by other of roman emperor, which they have long abandoned in catholic and uk churches due to revolt/ riot by the population. Do you know the history? Do you research.
Lastly tithe as never used fortemple/ church maintenance as it is food and it is an ABOMINATION to use tithe for ANYTHING OTHER THAN FEED THE LEVITES AND LESS PREVILEGED.

Goshen360:
Why are you lying? Which new testament never said anything about incent..? What's wrong with you? Don't you know incent is fornication and the bible people of those days understand such?

Thegospelman:
No, not at all! All the saints of God will witness the Great Tribulation but only for about 3 and half years.

Unless a saint dies before the advent of the antichrist he will surely suffer under the antichrist authority, that's the will of God for us to defend our faith with our death. For antichrist will martyr almost all the saints for their refusal to worship him and receive his mark. Let's open the Bible now "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake."(Matthew 24:9) and again let's go to book of Revelation Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."(Revelation 7:13-14 One of the elders explained to John who the multitude of people John saw were. He said they were the saints martyred by the antichrist. Rapture cannot come until antichrist authority killed almost all the saints, for only very few saints will survive it and when Christ comes both those who were martyred by the antichrist and the surviving saints will be changed into a new body and resurrected and raptured. Let's see what the Revelation says about rapture "but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."(Revelation 10:7) Here Bible says rapture will occur when the seventh angel is about to sound the seventh trumpet. That's what it means by the mystery of God would be finished please download these books to read the exegesis on the book of Revelation. Click to download: Book I https://drive.google.com/uc?authuser=0&id=0B8wCbx7jt6ZJYTdGVWhRUkI0UDQ&export=download
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lonikit:
pastors who are fully in the ministry shud be paid hw can u trace this to the bible??

was paul, peter or any of the apostles paid

they only received offering according to the ability of their follower and not tithe.

i repeat again, tithe is meant for the levite to eat bcus they hav no inheritance, no house of themselves, no business of themselves, no farm or anytin aside working as priest. infact later in the bible , david stopped them from doin certain temple work. tithe is never instructed to be done in monetary form.

most of these pastors are retired civil servants, they own businesses, their wives are working, their children are working, they av houses.

they dont equate levites as far as qualification is concerned hence

not qualified to take tithe but offering is allowed bcus paul and other apostles of the new testament received it.

according to paul Jesus is the surety for better covenant. there is need to change the law which I tink tithe is among

OkaiCorne:
Dear Lord, do you realize that Jews were a global race that soujourned in foreign lands back in those days? Money changers were acting like what the forex market is today. After converting the money, the foreign Jews would use the money to buy the food stuffs and animals as their tithe.


Bros you need to do thorough research on Jewish History ooo

Just to add, choose between the Law (old Covenant) and Grace & Love (new covenant). You cannot be doing both.

Paul made reference to the law explaining how the new covenant has taken its place. Or are you implying that Paul preached that the Law is still binding on Christians?

Ephesians 6:2 (KJV)
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

I almost skipped this...bear in mind that animal sacrifice preceded the law and was fully active when Jesus spoke with the Pharisees in Matthew 23 v 23

lonikit:
I dont believe this ur classification of tithing sir. but that is not the issue nw.

now if u say we tithe inline with Melchizedek. but Paul says "since priest has change, there is need for change in law too"

I ask again, if tithe is for the levite to eat. the essence is for them to eat bcus of the only reason which is that, they dont av any inheritance in isreal. infact david reduce their work at a time. so tel me objectively, is there any pastor that equate a levite. bcus Paul even advice that pastors shud not live on their followers.

and besides, why was it not recorded that the apostles tithe

OkaiCorne:
Would you like me to refer you to Torah experts and Jewish historians to validate the fact that God gave these instructions literally? The law was so stringent that the Israelites did not mix seeds on their field while planting...neither did they mix wool and linen while wearing clothes.

Read your bible again, Jesus fulfilled the LAW in totality and not partially. Tithes and offerings were replaced by sacrificial giving out of a LOVING HEART for God and man. Sacrificial giving was far more flexible and broader than the stringent requirements of tithing.

When a zealot is boasting to Jesus that he has tithed beyond the instructions God gave on what should be tithed in a bid to prove self-righteousness...please advice me, should I use the zealot's basis of tithing or should I follow the clearly laid instructions given by God on what to tithe?

Should the zealot's standard replace God's instruction on tithing?

By the way, why did you skip the part of Deuteronomy 14, where God stated that gold and silver should be used to purchase livestock, wine and any other thing you want at the temple as the tithe? Or you think the traders that Jesus chased at the temple in Jerusalem where just there because they didn't find shops elsewhere to operate?

PaChukwudi44:
This bros would have done better as a comedian.Chai!!! arguing from both sides of his mouth.

OkaiCorne:
It's nice to see that you are giving figurative interpretations to literal instructions given by God.

When God gave the instructions on mixing linen and wool, God was referring to the Israelites and the Gentiles abi? Be adding to God's word.

1) As for tithing, are you saying Christ did not fulfill the obligatory requirements that the Law requires of tithing? Did Jesus fulfill the Law fully or partially?

2) Where did God instruct His children to pay tithes (especially in monetary form) both in the old and new testament?