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MuttleyLaff:
OK, I'll respond more in accordance to your addition

MuttleyLaff:
Then why not do just that?
Why do people still need to taught using scaring tactics?

Why rather than using fear tactics, is it not taught this way?

At least we agree on this much
Teach the word, to inspire, not to cause despair

Dont try to give Satan more credit than Satan deserves

Voluntary giving has no inducement, no baits, no carrots, no fear tactics
It simply is, decide in your heart what really excites you to give
Don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure
You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give

Goodness4525:
treat if missing heaven is more than pointing gun at ur head

urahara:
So angels have started wearing jeans.... Really...
Next thing you will tell me angels are wearing denim and crazy jeans

MuttleyLaff:
Oh-oh, so what's all this "insurance policy" talk we are now hearing about then?
Why all these scaring tactics, be under on curse, be tight if you dont tithe emotional and psychological horror stories to frighten, disturb or unsettle non ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving?

Goodness4525:
No but not under compulsion, or obligation but cheerfully giving as u intended to do

Ferisidowu:
it isn't wrong sir.... not one bit....

you may prove me wrong.. let's see....

Ferisidowu:
not the way a Pentecostalist or charismatic does.... the working of the spirit is far more in-depth that what these men make of it. ..

healing and miracles are only done by God ....
even Paul didn't heal some well beloved brethren in the Bible .... because he had no power of his own... the Lord dictates when to heal ....

concerning tongues.... I believe tongues has to do with real language not the gibberish people speak today.... making ignorant unbelievers laugh and think THEY THEMSELVES ARE THE WISE ONES

am sorry, you may not understand... but I know that the move of the spirit isn't what these people take it to be....

modern pastors lie to themselves by "leading the spirit"... saying nonsense like "the spirit can't work without human function"... it all lies...

and that why that self acclaimed pastor (op) thought he knew God.... since he was performing deliverance... and speaking in tongues lolz

Goodness4525:
All this tithing, first fruit, brouhaha of a thing make me understood the average IQ of Nigerian Christian
This set of people (pastors) since they established themselves from the first church ,took advantage of the poverty in the nation and promise miracles of prosperity instead of salvation, and making u to pay a compulsory offering, tithe, first fruit, seed,special seed, prosperity seed, categories of donation etc as a conditions 4 harnessing ur glory and even a gateticket 4 heaven

Their church branches increase by thousand per annum building mansions home and abroad, private xpensive uni on the run, series of xoensive cars ,multi billion building project here and there, series of private jets at their disposal all with the gullible hard earned money and they simply tells u to wait for a miracle of ten fold returned ,but more we go, more poverty increase, on the other hand ,the more the church pastors net worth increased

Nigerian Christians (in most cases) is the most gullible, humans on earth

urahara:
Why did celestial beings... angels.... make use of man made objects like swords and trumpets?

Why ?

Something is fishy.

Gods always behave like the people who make them.

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Ferisidowu:
..... those liers that think that call themselves deliverance ministers as if there's any other deliverance aside all that Christ did....

be deceiving themselves with SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT. hitting their heads on tables and chairs, speaking gibberish in the name of tongues... would organise formication deliverance meeting, stealing deliverance meeting, spirit wife, spirit husband deliverance meeting,,, instead of teaching the people the true word that sets free ,,, they say it witches and wizards lolz some even use broom, on people in the name deliverance... all of them are enemies of Christianity... the funny op fell into their hands lolz now come here and be thinking he knows anything about TRUE Christianity

Ferisidowu:
lolz I have missed sha!... didn't know there such an interesting discussion... I know the op won't .. I wonder how someone would be so vast in the And yet still be conducting Pentecostal type of deliverance

omonnakoda:
You are just widening the discussion to irrelevant issue so you are jumping from tithe to offering to dedication.

Let us stick to tithes and not wander off
THAT SCRIPTURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TITHE

sonofthunder:
if I tell you the evidence for faith is works, what does that tell you sir?

omonnakoda:
With respect you are completely misguided. How can Paul offer another person? ??
Can anyone offer you?

omonnakoda:
No offering is defined in the law you need to read the bible properly. Tithes are not offerings.
Please stop talking ignorantly. You must remember the bible was not written in English.but Hebrew and Greek.

Tithes are definitely NOT offerings
Paul was not talking about HIS offering.
With respect you are completely misguided. How can Paul offer another person? ??
Can anyone offer you?

omonnakoda:
Tithe is a sacrifice?
Was this verse talking about tithes?
Offering up of Gentiles

omonnakoda:
Sacrifice by Holy ghost? Can you back this up with a quote from the bible?

WORDWORLD:
Guys am still seeking to know your views. Please is the believe in Jesus dying for the sins of mankind and EXCULSIVE concept called SALVATION. That is unless he dies for the sins of mankind there is no salvation?!
muttelylaff, enilove, petra1, anonyNymous, twosquare, butterflylion,adepeter2027, dohgon, emmanystone, ferisidowu.

My reason for asking is because of these verse in the Book of Luke in the Bible about a certain Zacchaeus. I want you to note what Jesus said to him in verse 9.

Luke 19:1-9 New International Version (NIV)
Zacchaeus the Tax Collector
9 Jesus said to him, “Today SALVATION has
come to this house, because this man, too, is
a son of Abraham.
New International Version.

Jesus didn't say SALVATION will come to this house after I die. But "TODAY" while he is still alive. Could it not be that SALVATION is NOT an exclusive concept that unless one believe Jesus died for the sins of mankind that one is saved? SALVATION AS FROM THE LIPS OF JESUS SAID "TODAY" WHILE SPEAKING WITH ZACCHEAUS, FOR ZACCHAEUS WAS OF GOOD CONDUCT. Am trying to understand please. NO INSULTS. And if anyone finds the question to be silly they should bother to answer. Thank you very much for your patience.

MrPresident1:
The world is now flying blind

the one letting has left.

The work of the Holy Spirit is done.

AnonyNymous:
I thought the difference between sin and sins was that one is singular and the other is plural. The more you know, huh?

WORDWORLD:
WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF JESUS DYING FOR OUR SINS IF MAN WOULD STILL BE PUNISHED FOR COMMITING SINS. OF WHAT BENEFIT IS HIS DEATH TO SINNERS WHOM HE HAS DIED FOR IF THEY STILL WILL BE PUNISHED? I DONT GET IT REALLY!!! WHAT IS THE ESSENCE? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

jeff1607:
We hear of prosperity and the likes, gone are they days when a Sunday would be set aside to talk about issues concerning family values, how parents should handle a situation in the home and marriage , especially for young intending couples.

kramer:
Now that i have that of of the way, the idea for this topic came up after watching the FAKE and annoying video T.B Joshua's church passed around implying that an angel was hanging around its church. Anyone who's savvy enough can clearly see it's a reflection of some sort but you'll always get a few special people who believe anything their told.

Fitstly, this made me wonder why Jesus didn't come when we had internet and phones to document and record all his miracles and teachings.. instead he came when all these things never existed therefore leaving room for discrepancies.

This also made me wonder whether Jesus was an olden day T.B Joshua, in that he carried out 'miracles' which the Jews believed were fake, much like Joshua today.. unfortunately for Joshua his miracles are relayed over the internet and people are able to expose him (who can forget when he predicted Hilary would win the presidential election day lol).. basically without the internet we'd have to rely on 'dem say dem say' which is what I believe helped Jesus because that was how news was carried across. If we had no media to see Joshua's 'miracles' ourselves and only relied on word of mouth I bet you we would have hailed him as the second coming of Christ.


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Martinez19:
ogbeni please don't waste my time. Will you believe or not?

jeruzi:
The General Oversea sorry, leader of the free the sheep movement has become so vocal againt men of God.
Freeze has condemned so many things in the Church, stating that they are wrong from tithe, to giving to pastors, to gathering together, to stating that love is all you need to make heaven, he forgot or doesn't know or maybe has ceased to believe that one needs to confess Jesus as personal Lord and Saviour.
Not just these, he went further to condemn Church reaching out to the world by having branches there, a thing Jesus commanded and the apostles did.
The truth is that the smallest doctrine of daddy freeze (leaven) is dangerous to any believer.

He has through subtle means deceived many just has the serpent deceived Eve.
Lie + Truth=Deception
The Scripture has it in Jude1:8-16
16. These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lust; and they mount great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage.
Only those that want to be deceived will allow it until they are taken away.