₦airaland Forum

Yungmil:
these are practices that are done before but hardly seen these days.

Burnt offerings were Sin offering . Jesus became our sin sacrifice

arrestdarrester:
Very wrong! You don't take a scripture in isolation.

This message in Malachi 3:8 was directed at a cursed nation. A nation that did not give God his dues. Read Malachi from chapter 1 please. A nation God gave land to and asked for a tenth in return. Most Christians have never seen in the book of Leviticus where God said to Israel "The Land is mine".

The whole earth belong to God. Try again

Have you ever asked yourself why Paul, Peter, James and John IN THE EPISTLES never preached PAYMENT of tithes? Because Jesus never commanded them to!

He did . Compare the two verses below.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? [b]Even so hath the Lord ordained [/b]that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Or you now have a greater revelation than the Apostles?

They didn’t need new revelation . They had the Torah as the scripture

For your information I give WILLINGLY. Sometimes tenth, sometimes half and sometimes all. But I never do it by commandment. Neither do I accept condemnation for not GIVING.

There are different kinds of givings in the kingdom of God . Free will offering is only one of them . It’s not a New Testament giving . There is no New Testament giving .

starstunna1313:
IF YOU KNOW GET MONEY HIDE YOUR FACE!!!!!!

Smart crook . Come and collect

frosbel2:
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Money is much better spent on booze than thieving pastors!

Church money does not belong to pastor. Most pastors are volunteers . They have their jobs and businesss

absky5:
so, u are telling me that if I don't pay my tithes, it means I'm not worshipping God.... . Ur theory is that, tithe equals worshipping of God.... Really

It’s one of the ways by which You worship .

starstunna1313:
Lemme give a nairalander who you will help...

While you spend your own money on booze like your daddy freeze

kennykane1:
Mumu how does Tithe and offering goes to God.

When you give it .

Philippians 4:18
18 But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

starstunna1313:
I must not be giving tithe to worship God.

It’s part of worship

Before I go eh lemme ask you.. You that is forming say you dey worship God how many people have you ever helped without expecting anything in return

Many . Even on nairaland . From some with school fees to business money .Who have you helped ?

arrestdarrester:
Paying of Tithe is not same as Giving.

Wrong ! God demanded for the two .

Malachi 3:8
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me.
But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings.

kennykane1:
You'll are not in competition for wealth

We are blessed .

but your gods/GOs keep preaching wealth without hard work

We work hard to contribute to life . We are blessed by God . But seem your god Satan make you work hard to eat . Don’t blame us for that

turning able bodied men to lazy pigs believing fasting and prayers will do the magic.

You don’t know the Bible because you don’t know God . The Bible never support laziness likewise the G.O you’re mad about . Many pastors are doctors , lecturers , bankers as volunteers .

What shall it profit a man..... bla bla bla and yet your god/GOs would rather profit from all the worldly fine things, Mansions, fine cars and private jets. Dude you are one hell of a hypocritical Lumatic

Your problem is poverty mentality . Hey is only a vehicle for those who have need of it as necessity . Not luxury . If you have a private car you’re a hypocrate to criticize private jet . You should take Taxi

InvertedHammer:
None of you is worshipping God. Going to church does not make one a christian. How can the only thing you gloat about is giving your money to a billionaire to maintain his family under the guise of giving to God? God does not need your money to survive. He was, is and will ever be.

You are worshipping men who are as imperfect as you.

Tithes and offerings are given to God.

absky5:
Who said u shouldn't worship God.... Not paying tithe to the pastorprenuers doesn't mean one don't believe in God

Tithe is not given to pastor . Tithes an offering are given to God .Why would one worship God without giving .

Pavore9:
Worshiping God is the most beautiful experience for me but how many are preaching about eternity today? The central theme has become "tithe and see how you will prosper" Some are even preaching tithe avert curses.

Tithing is only one of the many topics . Pastor teach on fasting , prayer , evangelism . Why is it that when he talks about giving people raise eyebrow . The full counsel of God has to be taught without fear of a stingy man

naijapips04:
Shut up. But when they are asking you to pay tithe, they tell you that you would reap blessings. Are the blessings in heaven?

The blessing are here . What’s your problem with that

Crossbelt:
An argument which almost turn to fight was only by God's grace settled because of this very topic in my area today, even me from the argument was confused.

it depends on the situation. There are grounds for divorce and separation.

NONSENSE. So because the man doesn't believe in God does that make worshipping God wrong. we are not in competition of who will be richest.it is where he spends eternity that counts.

Mark 8:36
 36For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

donwhit:
This is from nothingdoyou from
2 years ago excerpt from the the news blog

Once upon a time, a man named Tai Solarin founded the Mayflower School
in Ikenne,Ogun State. The Late Tai Solarin was an unrepentant 'atheist'.
Yet, christians, muslims, traditional worshippers sent their kids to
the school because of the quality of education. The school flourished
and produced some of the best brains in Nigeria of today. In spite of
the quality, the school fees wasn't out reach of the average Nigerian
family. Tai Solarin, though an atheist, his legacy forever lives on. Now
the question is, how many 'Christian' families can afford to send their
kids to the current 'Christian' private school founded by popular
pentecostal movements? Moral of the story, you need not to wear a white
collar or grow long beard to impact on humanity. Service to humanity is
not a religious matter.

Wrong . Mayflower was stil very expensive to man In that generation . It was for ajebotas while christian missionary schools were far cheaper in that generation .

A christian owned school is just in name . The fees ranges according to quality and investment . Many of them are still cheap compared with the quality of education . Bishop Oyedepo landmark secondary school is so affordable even for Borden house students and the standard is international . We must pay for the quality of teachers and pay for the facilities and the commitment to the future of the students . My child is in that school and I’m forever greatful to God and the bishop for such vision . My daughter used to be top in another private school but when I moved her to landmark she became 11th . I felt hurt . But I realized they don’t compromise quality study . My daughter complained that it’s too hard . Finally she began to pick up. They resumed last week . The teachers cheked their assignment at the gate . All the students who didn’t finished their many many many holiday assignment had to finished it at the gate . Me and my daughter spent hours working on the assignment . She was crying . But I was glad that we have such a school that won’t compromise . I have told her that next holiday , as she comes home na assignment straight . No more phone no more cartoon

The next rapture is pre tribulation
There are different kinds of rapture

LIES just based on assumptions .

frosbel2:
So the husband cannot buy her a car ?? Another man buys a married woman a car when

She’s a minister and a blessing . Anyone can bless her regardless of gender .

she did not even ask for it thereby belittling the husband

The Husband danced and hugged her. The Husband heart is not defiled like yours

Titus 1:15 (KJV)
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

fyneguy:
Happy New Year sir

Long time

Hey Egbon. Happy new year ooo

AntiNormal:
This just makes it worse...
So God left us on earth with Satan in charge, hoping that we'll need Him enough to run to Him for help... And if we don't, then we're free game for the devil, right?
That's not much of a choice...
?

There is an appointed time for Satan judgement . But meanwhile God made a way through christ . And announced it to Man. But Man has free will . God won’t violate it. That’s why you could say all these things against him .

frosbel2:
one of this girlfriends!

You just insulted a married mother of kids . And you claim to be a christian . Wel i forgot you’re backslidden

Uyi168:
..my point is to show u that the very mess we've found ourselves is the handiwork of ur god..

No it’s the handiwork of the devil and the fallen man.

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Uyi168:
I form light and created evil..thats God speaking..isaiah 45:7

He is also a judgement God . Just as police can protect they can also arrest

yeahmann:
I'm starting to believe humans are just hypocrite. And I realised this based on the comments on a thread about Sade Adu's daughter turning to a boy.

The comment goes as follow:

.... God has made you a girl and you decided to turn yourself to a boy, so you know more than your creator?

We've all had these type of statements, but I want you guys opinion on this:


1. If a child was born blind, why do you seek out remedies to make the child see? Was that not how God created him/her? Do you know more than God?

2. A child born with 2 sexes (Hermaphrodite), why do you always remove one? Was that not how God created him/her? Do you know more than God?


This is not to support transgenders, but I think there are some valid point in this thought.

Wrong ! The abnormalities were not done by God but Satan . God only help out to correct by his wisdom .

John 9:1-3
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

EVarn:
I learnt three things from reading the book of job(well,maybe more than three things,but that's besides the point).


According to the story:

1. Satan can still approach God's presence(in heaven),quite contrary to the belief that God cannot behold evil. Well,the very epitome of evil,satan himself,kind of strutted into God's grand get-together party without so much as an invitation card, isn't that just badass?.

2. God can protect everyone from evil if he chooses, evidenced by satan accusing God of granting Job asylum behind a mobile wall of fire at all times. Even satan was quite furious at such blatant favouritism, and he made his dissatisfaction quite clear in the strongest terms possible.

3. God permits evil to befall people, as evidenced by the game of chess played between both parties,with poor Job as the unwilling pawn.
Even Job agreed that God was responsible for his misfortune.

That was over 6,000 years ago . Things had changed . Satan is an accuser of brethren . You may not understand the spiritual part

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

AntiNormal:
I was hoping someone would say that... How can you say God is not responsible? Is He not the master of the universe, the ruler of all?

No . From the fall of Adam Satan became the god and the prince of the world system .

Luke 4:6-7
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

John 14:30
. . the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

That’s why God sent jesus to save through the gospel . But the enemy still try blocking people from believing in God

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them..

God can only intervene when we allow him

AntiNormal:
Why would God allow that man to go through two decades of torture, with the very real possibility of screwing up and ending up in hell forever and ever and freaking ever, when He could have just given the man a child?...

God is not responsible for mans predicament . The enemy is responsible . When God intervene . We should rather give him Glory than questioning him . God power can’t work without mans faith . How long it took depends on how long the faith of the man took to mature to move God’s power . It took Abraham 90 years for him to believe God for miracle baby .
Secondly cases differ . Some other cases may have the delay based on other reasons.

Amacaco:
If not paying Tithes makes one rich, Reno Omokri and all those who are against payment of Tithe should have been richer than Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gate put together. If paying Tithe makes one poor, then all tithers should have been the poorest people on Earth. What you do not know or like keep away and stop disturbing others with nonsense posts.

Powerful truth there . Tithes and offerings are eternal principles .

frosbel2:
In the times of yore we had real labourers, today we have charlatans. Of course, not all of them are crooked but most are and those who are not yet rich are aspiring to be!

Furthermore, most rich men of god today are not labouring for the kingdom, they are labouring for their insatiable appetites of greed and gross wantonness.

Wrong assumption, of the millions of ministers how many have you crossexamixed . Anti church and anti MOG. Campaign and movement is satanic. Giving is a principle of Gods kingdom . The givers are not robbed but blessed for their giving . You make people lose faith in giving when you teach such error .

MuttleyLaff:
What we see here is the general lack of will to preach and teach voluntary giving
What is satanic is sidestepping, over stepping and overlooking the poor and needy,

Why judging others concerning the poor. Is it not voluntary? Hope you can see the anti church sentiment

instead giving to already rich people

Who are these rich people ? You don't supplant one giving for the other . We do all . Giving to the poor . Giving to a God . Giving to parents etc . Judas was rebuked for it .

It is wrong to sow ideas to believers that if you dont comply ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving, financial misfortune shall befall them

I don't know if anyone use such extreme language . There is blessing for different giving . Tithes offering ,alms ,parents ,MOG. fellow brethren
Etc . If you don't give for a particular one . You miss the blessing that goes with it. For example if you want to live long . Take care of parents. It's a principle

Ephesians 6:2-3
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

If a man doesn't honour his parents . And a pastor teaches the consequences. What do you say ? He's manipulating them? Life Is based on cause and effect sowing and reaping principle . We just don't want to hear the truth. It covers very things from givingbto living righteously even to prayer .

Mark 14:38
Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. . . .

Why is it when it comes to giving that use extreme language such as coerce . All over scriptures warmings were given . You mat call it coercion but that's the word of God

Galatians 6:7-8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption

Proverbs 21:13
Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor,
he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.

It's all over scripture . But men seem to be clouded with the anti church ,MOG sentiment .

There is no stick in Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6
There is no curse, no threat in Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 but just plain good old teaching
There is no mention in Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 of a fixed regular percentage or ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving

Are you a teacher in Israel and you don't know these things?

Jesus said if you give , God will cause men to give to you. Is that not carrot ? If you reverse it you get the stick ! Men won't give.

Same thing with Paul he said if you "SPARE" in giving . Those who would give to you also will spare .

2 Corinthians 9:6 (AMPC)
[Remember] this: he who sows sparingly and grudgingly will also reap sparingly and grudgingly, and he who sows generously [that blessings may come to someone] will also reap generously and with blessings.

2 Corinthians 9:6 (TLB)
But remember this--if you give little, you will get little. A farmer who plants just a few seeds will get only a small crop, but if he plants much, he will reap much.

Isn't that carrot and stick ?