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lonikit:
they tithe with the tenth of wht dey do or they covert it to money to buy food.

Wrong . That not the tithe to God . There were 3 different tithes . The one to God is different . That one is given in Gods house .


Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized .

tithe is purely food item for the levite to survive on since they lack inheritance. in Malachi he even say "that there might be food in my house" money is not the option according to every precept of tithing.

Money was allowed . I showed you already

besides, we you agree with me that majority of our pastors be it full or part time are either retired civil servant or business owners. they have their houses, some have wives that are stil working. tell me if these are the qualifications of levites

Over 90% of pastors don't get support from church because they have their jobs or business . Except a pastor is on full time .

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Zikkyy2:
God's tithe is not meant for modern day men of God or pastors, it's already given to the Levites as their inheritance. They own it. To qualify as a tithe recipient you must come come from the tribe of Levi. Please note that the other tribes of Israel were not required to give their tithe to the priest, it is the Levites that tithe to the priest.

Numbers 18:25-28
25 The Lord said to Moses, 26 “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the Lord’s offering. 27 Your offering will be reckoned to you as grain from the threshing floor or juice from the winepress. 28 In this way you also will present an offering to the Lord from all the tithes you receive from the Israelites. From these tithes you must give the Lord’s portion to Aaron the priest.

Nehemiah 10:37-38
37 “Moreover, we will bring to the storerooms of the house of our God, to the priests, the first of our ground meal, of our grain offerings, of the fruit of all our trees and of our new wine and olive oil. And we will bring a tithe of our crops to the Levites, for it is the Levites who collect the tithes in all the towns where we work. 38 A priest descended from Aaron is to accompany the Levites when they receive the tithes, and the Levites are to bring a tenth of the tithes up to the house of our God, to the storerooms of the treasury.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Thegospelman:
Better for the world peace? Do you think so? But far from being that, Jerusalem being the capital of Israel will certainly bring troubles and intense sufferings for Israel in the near future.

Yes you're partially right . Jerusalem will be surrounded world army for invastion buy according to scripture . The antichrist will stop the war . And facilitate the 7year peace accord with the Palestinians . Jerusalem It will not be invaded yet . This will usher in the 7 year tribulation . But the rapture would have taken place . Jestulsaem will be attacked after 3/12 years [left][/left]

lonikit:
tithe was never done in monetary form in the bible but offering was done in such form many a times.

How do you think a dog seller, horse seller or rearer give tithes .

Also What do you understand by redemption of tithe .

besides, the portion u quoted in Luke was purely talking abt the Pharisees and not christians

He just showed you how the tithing was done

OkaiCorne:
From Genesis to Revelation, I did not see any verse where God stopped all these laws which also included tithing;

Deutoronomy 22 v 11-12;
11"You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together.
12"You shall make yourself tassels on the four corners of your garment with which you cover yourself.…

Leviticus 19:19
'You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.If you are not doing these, what could be your reasons sir?

Christ fulfilled them . The law of diversity and segregation was about the preference of isreal above the Gentiles . Not to mingle or mix with them . They were the unclean . And christ has made all one .

Acts 10:14-15 (KJV)
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Galatians 3:28-29(KJV)
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

ayokenny37:
When CCC came, twas in a place that idol worship was their belief using fetish materials. For CCC to gain ground, materials where giving by God to the founder to change ppls mind to God. materials like candle, palm fronts etc.

The use of these materials are for the newly converts into CCC. As one grows in Christ and His words, there will no need for these materials again. The word of God is sufficient.

Paul said when i was kid, spoke like a kid bt whe i grew up i threw away childish things.

By His grace I am a Core CCC member with indepth knowledge on the church direct from God.

any other question is welcomed

Ccc actually took some practice from C&S . Some of these things ought to have changed . Papa actually said he was to change some things which were not really given to hm of God but he died before he could do that .just as kumuyi also said some things they practice were not by God but he would change them leaves .

lonikit:
pls show me where tithe was done in monetary form

It's not every crop or animal that was accepted . Unclean plant ,perishable crops and unclean animals were not accepted as tithes and offering. How does a dog seller,horse seller ,give their tithes and offering . They pay for them with cash .

Leviticus 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

Leviticus 27:27
27 If it be of an unclean animal, the owner may redeem it according to your valuation, and shall add a fifth to it; or if it is not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to your valuation.

Money was already introduced into the system

Luke 18:12 (TLB)
I go without food twice a week, and I give to God a tenth of everything I earn.'

Luke 18:12 (AMP)
I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

God even instructed them that wen they converted food item to money in some cases for some reasons, they must use the money to stil buy food and eat.tithe is for four groups of pple. widow, stranger, orphan and levite.

That's a different one . There's a tithe to God , there was another 10% for the poor every 3 years and another 10% for feast . These are different from the 10% given to God for the workers of the house of God , the tithe for the fears cold be sold and the money used to buy food . That's like a love feast or campmeeting . It's not the one gyou gen to God

goin by the qualification of a levite. I dont tink any pastor be it full or part equate a levite

Was Melchizedek a Levites ? Tithe existed long before levitical order. The only qualiducation is because they were full time ministers .

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

If people could give offering in cash , They could give tithes in cash as well

lonikit:
there are lot to explain abt tithing. tithing is like every other mosaic laws.

Offering was in the mosaic law also . Giving to the poor was in the mosaic law also .

its totally meant for levite for a specific reason,

Sure who were Levites . They were full Time ministers in Gods house .jesus instructed same principle to be applied in church

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? [b]Even so hath the Lord ordained [/b]that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

not to be done in monetary form, must be shared among for groups

Money was given in tithes and offering . Also those who sell unclean animals were also ordered to give money instead

not done every week.etc. goin by these and other factors, tithing is not valid in this era

It's a choice . If you earn annually ,give annually period . It's your choice . Isreal had yearly harvest because they were farmers by default .

OkaiCorne:
My brother, which version of the Bible would you place more reliance on? Is it the version that states Pharisees were using nickels and dimes back then?

Keep on twisting and turning. Geneva 1599 version and King James Version are the earliest versions with a greater degree of reliability...rather than these recent versions that has twisted the interpretation of God's words.


WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO REFER YOU TO HEBREW, ARAMAIC, LATIN AND GREEK VERSIONS OF THIS SCRIPTURE? Do you want to see the raw truth...or still hide under your mistranslated Bible versions?

Was the Message Bible translated from Latin and Greek directly...just like the Geneva 1599 and King James Version?

The translations was because of people like you . To break it down to understanding . Money was givien for tithes and offering

lovingJehovah:
No true Christian tithes.You cannot pour new wine into an old wineskin

Wrong! What of offering ? Is offering old wine or new wine ?

Tithing is for the Jews and not for Christians. You cannot claim to tithe and be a Christian at the same time. It is an insult to the law of Christ.

Wrong ! Was Abraham a Jew . Was Jacob a Jew ?. They all paid tithes in their generation . Did God ever stopped offering and tithes

lonikit:
sir, if u knw all the precepts of tithing, u wil understand. my point. try and knw it first

You've said nothing. Explain yourself

enilove:
Why would they make mention of an issue that is generally accepted . Are the apostles makers of laws? They follow the laws and the teachings of our Lord Jesus.

If there was need not to pay tithes, they would have mentioned it like the issue of circumcision.

Beautiful . It is as simple as that. I asked them about incest . They all agreed it is wrong to marry your siblings . But the New Testament never said anything about it. Should we practice incest because it was not a topic in the epistles .Non of them were able to honestly answer .

lonikit:
goin by the precepts of tithe. it no longer justifiable. offering and tithe are not dsame. offering is highly acceptable

What makes offering acceptable and tithes not acceptable. Both had been principles in Gods kingdom .

OkaiCorne:
Bros, one word of advice for you. Please quote Bible passages from Geneva 1599 Bible or from King James Version. These are the earliest English Bible versions translated from Latin and Greek scrolls.


Subsequent translations (versions) of the Bible have watered down the Truth by replacing certain words out of context.

Going by the Message version you quoted, were Pharisees using nickels and dimes in those days?

I should change translation because the truth hits you . If the translation had said otherwise would you recommend a change ?

nicemuyoo:
No amount of scriptural truth would make you accept what Peter, Paul, James, early church believe on tithing. They never taught or accepted tithe.

What do they believe

Ken4Christ:
There is Church everywhere even in prison. The Church is not the building. Two or three people gathered together in the name of Jesus are having Church.

Is it every prison that has church ?

If you don't agree with what is written in Hebrews 10:25-31, then you have a problem.

I agree with what is written . The problem is that you’ need to understand what is written . Going to church is a necessity not a criteria. It’s not ticket to heaven . You go to church to be edified and also to edify others . If you’re in an environment where such is not possible not allowed it’s not a problem at all . God is not punishing people for not going to church or for fasting or praying . It’s wisdom to do it.

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lonikit:
so why Qatar is the richest country and they dont pay tithe. why dangote is the richest African and yet not a tither??

We are not competing . God didn't say tither will richest ? If you a Worshiper of God , give him offering and tithe . Period

nicemuyoo:
After His death he never collected tithe

He is highpriest over our tithe ,offering,prayers and any work of service

Peter, James, john and Paul never taught or collected tithe. The early church never collected tithe. The first tithe was collected after 777AD. by roman Catholic church

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

lonikit:
Answer the question sir. mention one blessing that tithers get and non-tithers lack. simple

I gave you the answer from the word of God straight . What can be more authentic than the Bible answer .

God rebukes the devourers
Windows.of heaven opens
Blessings poured in

Ken4Christ:
No Please. That is a different subject altogether. I mean salvation without works is damnation.

After you are saved and you have the opportunity to serve God but refuse To serve him, you will end up in hell.

Wrong sir. It’s not a criterial . He may not fulfill his calling . He may miss some reward in heaven but not lose his Salvation .

Even habitual absence from Church service will attract God's judgment. Apostle Paul made it very clear in Hebrews 11:25-31.

What of those who never have opportunity to attend church . Someone who got saved in prison or got saved online in a Muslim Family in Saudi . No church to attend

Even our Lord Jesus said he will cut off any branch that doesn't produce fruit.

It’s not true sir. Cut off from what . Was it from Salvation or from supply . Faith in christ is all that is required . As long as such a one did not backside into iniquity

SIX PEOPLE WHO IDOLISES DADDY FREEZE

1.Tithe eaters
2. Offering eaters
3. church haters.
4.MOG Haters
5. disloyal/ disgruntles christians
6. Biblically ignorant and lazy christians

Valprof:
pls how can l reach u


my brother has this same issue. l can send u his name and pics...l believe God can still do something for him.plsss

You can reach through personal mail . I will try reach you too

Pyrusdrago:
First of all In God’s Word, “tithe” does not stand alone. It is the “tithe of FOOD.”

Was it food Abraham gave Melchizedek ? Under the law , They brought was was needed at the temple as tithe and offerings both for welfare and service ofnthe terbarnacke .Unclean animals which were not needed were replaced by cash

Malachi then will you argue coherently on who was address in this issue. But let me spell out a few

Malachi 1v6 says
A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name.

Malachi 2v1;
Already quoted above still addressed to the priest

Malachi 3v1-5
Pay attention to verse 3 and 5
V3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi(servants of the priest), and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.

V5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

[b]Malachi is very clearly addressed to dishonest priests who are cursed because they had stolen the best offerings from God.[/quote{

There is no point going round and round . The Bible was clear enough . He had message for priest and he had message for the people. He switched here and there . But from chapter 3:7 he addressed the nation . ARE LEVITES FARMERS ?

[quote]Both the blessing and the curse of Malachi 3:9-11 only lasted for Israelites until . . .

Good you acknowledge it’s directed to isreal
 

1.The tithe was food (crops) and animals Deuteronomy 14:22

That was generic because they were farmers by default . Money was as well received

2. People who were poor did not tithe - Deuteronomy 14:28

The Bible didn’t say so . Quote the verse out . The poor and the rich have offering and tithe

3.You are under a curse if you are a tither (observing Levitical laws)  Galatians 3:10 clearly states if you attempt to do any, you must do them all.

You are under a curse if you pray , give offering , give alms , if you honor your father , if you fast . Say amen! We tithe and do all these because they are spiritual principles not because the law mentioned them . Tithes existed before the law ever came

4. Any church building made of brick and mortar is not God's storehouse - 1Corinthian 16 :19

What is God store house ? Tithe is given to God period

[5. Anyone attempting to be justified by tithing is alienated from Christ and you have fallen from grace - Galatians 5:4

That’s abuse of scripture . It didn’t refer to tithe

6. the Book of Malachi 3, the prophet of God was speaking to the priest, not the Israelites and You are not an Israelite by blood or geneology.

Wrong ! Are priests farmers ?

7. There is no longer one temple where the Israelite priest gave offerings to God for their sins, those who have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior from sin are the temple of God.  1Corinthians 3:16.

The temple was the house of God , the church is also the house of God

1 Timothy 3:15(KJV)
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

8. Jesus Christ did not come to abolish the Law but rather to fulfill it by living a sinless life and dying on the cross for the sins of the entire world....and he said," it is finished." John 19:30  He fulfilled the Law!!!(Old Covenant tithing was motivated and mandated by Law, not love)

So now you can kill and worship idols .




9. (In Jewish society tithes performed the function of a tax)
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Wrong !
Tithe is a spiritual oblation . Tax is for government tithe belong to God.

Mark 12:17 (AMPC)
17 Jesus said to them, Pay to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and toGod the things that are God’s. .

obinna58:
And how exactly has your walking by faith done to make you special from others

I see what you can’t see .

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

rhektor:
The foolish op was actually quoting freeze I wonder how they think, everyone is now an authority because someone is angry that we pay tithe. I was shocked then day I watched Freeze's interview on Linda Ikeji TV. When he said Malachi 3 was meant for the priests. He even claimed that Malachi 3 was a continuation of Nehemiah. Those following him are just the fools who wouldn't do personal scriptural searching

ITS A SHAME . to all his followers and church haters especially some so called christians who betray the body of christ to satanic attacks like this unknowingly. I've never seen such manipulation of scriptures e.g. claiming abraham and jacob never tithed, malachi 3:8 was addressing priest and all manner of nonsense

HardMirror:
It is popular to hear religionists say "science can not answer all our question".
Unfortunately even some atheists proclaim this same falacy.

Science and only science can give us all the answers we seek. Those things yet to be satisfactorily answered but science is not Because science lacks the answers but because we humans are just beginning to understand and expand or scope of science.

Today the miracles enabled by science makes a mokery of god and religion.

Science is not god, but science is the all knowing, the one and true omniscient. How far would we go and how much wld we learn through science, it is infinite.

Science has the key to immortality
Science can tell us our origin
Science can give us a way to reverse death.
In another 100years science should give us all god claims only him can give and what makes science better? Science is true, science does not care for your belief faith or race. Science works and always works

1 Timothy 6:20
 20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

WE WALK BY FAITH BROTHER

nicemuyoo:
Now you have taken an example of comparison to proof that yahshua covenant and priesthood is superior for those Hebrews that needed clarity, twisted it to show that yahshua collects tithe which never happened during and after his death.

yashua was not our higpriest until death

Deprofessional:
Mention one blessing that tithers receive which non - tithers will never receive.

Malachi 3:10-11 (KJV)
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse,
that there may be meat in mine house,
and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven,
and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes,
and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground;
neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.


Every act of obedience has its blessing .

WhichWayNaija:
Abraham's tithe wasn't from his wealth but the spoils of war, remember?

That was only an incidence . Besides It was his booty. He had jurisdiction

My Ana , I see you!!!

Nimoomosuli:
So I ran into some friends who were celebrating the declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel as a fulfillment of a Christian prophesy.

It’s not a christian prophecy but bible prophecy

merely seek to clarify one point to my friends who feel this declaration is a victory for Christians. .

Wrong ! The joy OGB the prophecy is not about Christianizing isreal . We know from prophecy that it won’t happend until the rapture when we Christians are out of this planet .

The joy of it is the fact that it’s a sign which authenticate the prophecies of the Bible and also a Sign that the rapture is imminent. The Bible is proven true