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Gombs:
My question is, was it forgiveness of sin or remission remission of sin that gave us salvation?

If your answer is the latter, how many times is one entitled to remission of Sin?

Thank you.

Bible references will be greatly appreciated.

A man is saved only once . The Adamic sin nature is replaced with the nature of righteousness . This experience is a once and for all experience . Which Goshen360 calls OSAS. there is difference between sin and sins. Sin (nature) is remitted but sins are forgiven . The new nature of righteousness which was imputed at salvation does not get taken away when a christian commit a sin. He didn't get saved by his perfection and he can't lose it by his imperfections. If he commits a sin , he still retain his nature of righteousness and it's by that nature he receives forguvesnes . None of us is perfect after the flesh . We do err by omission or commission . Judgementalisim is sin , malice is sin , wrong assumption is sin. Gossip is sin .

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

But none of this will take away the nature of God which came as a gift through faith . When a christian admits his sin he recieves forgiveness.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Image123:
We are saved in different times and contexts, i am sure you know that and teach it.

Not so. I teach one salvation . But there is process . For spirit soul and body

We have been saved, we are being saved and we will be saved

That is for the total man . The spirit of man get recreated at receiving christ . The soul or mind is continuously saved by renewal of the word of God . This result in the perfection of the outward man also .

1999pikin:
so Christians don't need protection?

since they are two major religion in Nigeria (Christian and Muslim) let it be like this then

1- Christian religion
2- Islam for Muslims
3- general religion.

enough said.

I agree with this

Is she a christian ? Then she should take her matter to God . God never lack a man. She should consider the idea of a business she can do along her study . I don't think any student should have the mentality of depending on others . All that is needed is a good business idea . Pretend you have graduated , what can you do . Don't lock yourself in the 4 walls of university and waste 5 years as dependant . You have the same brain Millionares have .

@OP,
I know many people who have left posting here for similar reasons. When their righteous souls for grieved .

But you don't have to leave,you should shine your light rather .if we all leave , who will answer all the hungry souls who comes to view the site. When people come and read the mockery and blasphemy of the evil . Let them also see your response by the side. Let the the holy spirit be do the rest . David was in that position once . Until he went into the sanctuary

Psalms 73:2-14 (KJV)

[b]But as for me, my feet were almost gone;
my steps had well nigh slipped.
For I was envious at the foolish,
when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
For there are no bands in their death:
but their strength is firm.
They are not in trouble as other men;
neither are they plagued like other men.
Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain;
violence covereth them as a garment.
Their eyes stand out with fatness:
they have more than heart could wish.
They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression:
they speak loftily.
They set their mouth against the heavens,
and their tongue walketh through the earth.
Therefore his people return hither:
and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.
And they say, How doth God know?
and is there knowledge in the most High?
Behold, these are the ungodly,
who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.
Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain,
and washed my hands in innocency.
For all the day long have I been plagued,
and chastened every morning. . .When I thought to know this,
it was too painful for me;
Until I went into the sanctuary of God;
then understood I their end.[/b]

samusonite:
I've not eaten the whole day because I had no money.

Fortunately, I met with my pastor and asked him for some money at least, N150 for fufu and soup without meat.

The pastor prayed for me instead, and told me God will make a way. He added he would have given if he had.

As he removed his handkerchief while he was going, his N1000 dropped and he didn't notice.

Should I give the money back to the pastor or it's God who made A WAY? Ur opinion pls.

Home video., are you still standing over the money till now in the church . Or you've gone home .

Image123:
Okay, sorry for the delay, here i am. i don't feel the "teach" mode

Thank you for your response. I will appreciate if you can throw light on this issue.

Is salvation a one time experince ? Or does a Christian lose salvation each time he sins, and has to get saved again.

Goshen360:
Egbon yi....we'll have problems with that your response o....haba, you be bible giant naw, why u like to dey fall hands naw..?

Image123:
Okay, but give me some time though.

Eagerly waiting . You're one of our major contributors to this thread . I will want your opinion on the issues below:?

Does a christian lose salvation when he sin .

How many times can one lose salvation .

How many times can a man be saved

Can a christian commit a sin . If he does , what happens to him .

ichuka:
@OP
Who actually gives these Eternal Security?

I don't think I believe in eternal security . But image123 gave me different understanding which seem to rope me in. I believe at the end of the thread I should know my position if what I believe is actually eternal security . But for now . I'm of the opinion that eternal security is false . I believe a christian can lose his salvation .

Candour:
No wahala. Make i dey harvest dey go while Jo and him crew dey teach us

Pls it's open for us all to to teach or to challenge a teaching or doctrine .

Image123:
Who is candiru?

It's candour , corrected thanks

Scholar8200:
We are saved by faith. Now can a believer fall or depart from the faith?Are there any warnings to believers of this possibility? If yes, what are the consequences if that happens?

Your answer to this answers all the above.

Thanks for your response . Well the purpose of the thread was firstly to identify the different concept of the doctrine of eternal security then also other topics mentioned . I have always believed that eternal security doctrine was based on the idea that a christian can never sin. So by that ,whatever he does wrong would not count . Man is a spirit and whatever the body does would not constitute a sin. And the scripture used most times is

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I don't agree with this doctrine and interpretation . But in my recent discussion with image123 he gave me a different understanding of eternal security it has branches . And he believed that I'm also a teacher of eternal security. Which I don't agree with . So what is really the definition of eternal security . And I want us to look at the concept of sin on this thread also. Thank you.

^^^^^^
Is anybody complaining ? Those who go to church knows how their lives have been impacted through the ministry of their pastors . They can't forget how they got Saved ,healed ,cleansed . You can write all the rubbish you can come up with on the internet but can't take away people's experience and testimony . That's why you feel people are mugu . Despite all the rubbish against pastors and churches ,they kept going to churches and give when need arise. You don't know where they're coming from but they do. They can only read your post and laugh.

Luke 8:2-3
And certain women who had been made free from evil spirits and diseases, Mary named Magdalene, from whom seven evil spirits had gone out, And Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod's chief house-servant, and Susanna and a number of others, who gave him of their wealth for his needs.

Is there such thing as eternal security
What is eternal security
Can a christian sin
Can a christian lose salvation
Can a christian lose salvation by committing a sin.
How many times can a man be born again.

There has been misconceptions about the topic . I'm calling on our bible scholars to enlighten us. This is for purpose of knowledge . Pls no insult ,abuses or personal attacks. let the bible speak . Any other relevant material can be quoted . Agree or Disagree politely .

Pls remember :

[color=Purple]2 Timothy 2:24-25
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[/color]

This is my new monicker formerly joagbaje cc image123, Olaadegbu, Gombs ,Goshen360, Frosbel, mrpresident1, debosky,scholar8200 , candour.I will add more names as I remember .

HardMirror:
Note that the bible did not say God created extra water. The author must have thought that the sky must be filled with so much water that simply saying it rained for 40 days straight would mean the whole earth would be covered.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If you read Genesis 1 you would have seen that water covered the entire earth before Adam was created . God separated the water above from water on the earth. The reason water covered the earth was because God had destroyed the first world with flood before Adam came . This flood disnt just cover the earth but also the solar system . So the body of water in Gods bank is bigger than the earth itself .

The bible says the earth existed and came out of water .

2 Peter 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Have you been deceived?

No you have rather been recieved from the website you're doing copy and paste from.

^^^^^
It's been there for more than a year . It's not a fresh news .

ifenes:
The real meaning of the word "Sin" means "Light Bringer" or "Lucifer".

That's not biblical . Which scripture are you quoting from and in what language ?

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