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Christianity Etc › Re: Greedy Pastors And The Tithe Scam by petra1(m): 9:18pm On Jan 18, 2017
Topgainer:
Why is it that you lots who are hell bent on worshipping men of gods
It's rather sad that people like you don't have reverence for God And his ministers .

2 Peter 2:10
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.


will always invent a scripture or force an existing one to the defense of a stinkingly corrupt church business.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


I said most Satan messengers also parades some glory and ordination
so ministers of God are now Satan messangers ? That's blasphemy.

Succession shouldn't have lacings of greed and battles if actually it is a ministry patterned like that of Christ's Apostles.
What battle ? Did Adeboye have battle to head redeemed leadership . Did Idahosa wife battle to take over leadership . Why must you see from negative perspective?

The ministry of the Apostle is not a family or political party affair.
James took lead of of Jerusalem church . He was the blood brother of Jesus . What do you say to that? . Don't be a critic .

The ministry of the Apostles of old is not the same with the CEO ministries of your pentecostal lords today.
What's the difference

Aaron was not a Christian.
It's same principle . Ministry is ministry . Elijah was prophet , John was prophet , agabus was prophet .

James the younger brother of Jesus does not own any ministry. Priscilla and Husband do not own any ministry, they were only members of the same ministry.
Everyone has ministry . You have ministry . It's your place of service. It's not about name and incoporation . And as long as you're busy criticizing others , you can't fulfill yours .

Philip and daughters were also members of the ministry.
What ministry?

All these people were brothers and sisters, they shared all things in common. The Ants colony relationship of today's Satan ordained ministry was not there. There were no Kings and Queens, foot soldiers and slave workers relationship.
As much as we all have our part to play That doesn't take away leadership .

Next time you draw comparisons don't equate the highly disciplined and sacred ministry of the selfless Apostles to that of your self-serving, despicably mannered, shameless and godless pentecostal lords
And what church do you attend which doesn't have leadership? I will be glad to know how scriptural your structure is. Or you worship in your room only .


Romans 14:12-13
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Christianity Etc › Re: Greedy Pastors And The Tithe Scam by petra1(m): 5:07pm On Jan 18, 2017
Boss13:
Your perspective is coming from a local church. The churches you mentioned all have G.O who do not work for anybody else, rather want their branch pastors to work so that they can eat their money too.
But the attacks here were directed to all pastors . Even pastors who have jobs as bankers ,oil workers ,business men and they serve in ministry voluntarily.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 5:03pm On Jan 18, 2017
annunaki2:
Biblical tithes was never money and abraham's tithe was of war booty.
Beautiful ! At least it wassnt farm produce . It makes it clear that tithes is not about agric . It's about income . Either it's agric , salary , business gain. Or gift items.

That said abraham's tithe was not commanded by God it was of his own volution so it will fraudulent to use that as an example for church tithing which is wrongly preached as mandatory.
It's a revelation of God revealed to Abraham . It started with Abraham .Abraham was not just a figure in the Bible He's our father of faith .


Galatians 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Romans 4:16
. . . . but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Christianity Etc › Re: Greedy Pastors And The Tithe Scam by petra1(m):
Topgainer:
Who among your Pentecostal lords possess a ministry that resembles the ministry of Jesus and that of Paul?
The early Church and Ministry of the Apostles is a Fellowship for all that is why you don't hear things like Paul Jnr or Bishop Peter Jnr taking over from Papa Paul or Peter Snr.
Is that an issue ? Is succession your concern ? That's not the yard stick to determine the call upon a ministry . It glory and and honor And success if a minister is able to raise his household in the ministry . Were Aaron's sons not prepared for ministry ? Jesus younger BROTHER JAMES took over the church in Jerusalem. PHILIP had his daughters raised in ministry

Acts 21:9
9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.


Pricilla and a quilla were couples and they pastored together.

Romans 16:3-5
3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus . . . . Likewise greet the church that is in their house.


If a man has nobody in his household interested in ministry it's his personal failing . It's not a yardstick to determine the ordination of God upon a ministry . God will always use the next available person .

My dear when you grow up you will understand that the Place you thought belonged to everybody who laboured and toiled for it to become an empire actually belongs to Papa, Mama, Papa Jnr and secret "keeping" associates.
Pastor Adeboye was not the founder of Redeemed . He took over from another man. And I'm not aware. He plans to hand over to his son. So your insult upon the sacredness of ministry is carnal
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 2:43pm On Jan 18, 2017
annunaki2:
Biblical tithes is agric produce from the promised land, whilst the fraudulent man made version is monetary tithe from income.
Money was given in bible days also . It's a choice . Did Abraham give agric produce ?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 2:25pm On Jan 18, 2017
annunaki2:
Where in the bible is tithes called an eternal principle and why is biblical tithing different from the fraudulent type preached in churches today?
What is biblical tithe and what is fraudulent tithe?
Christianity Etc › Re: Greedy Pastors And The Tithe Scam by petra1(m): 1:58pm On Jan 18, 2017
Topgainer:
What is ministry?
A suitable jargon that gives a privately owned establishment
You can't be asking a question and be giving the answer? I don't know if you're a christian but The Bible should define ministry for your mind.

Jesus had ministry Paul had ministry likewise others. It has to do with Gods dispensation commuted to you.

Colossians 4:17
17 And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.


The definition you gave is the carnal way the world see the church
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 1:33pm On Jan 18, 2017
Junia:
Good ..
Meaning no paying of tithe
Why not ? It's an eternal principle . Just like offering , prayers ,almsgiving etc.

Can you answer this question? Do you steal because you're not under the law? . Do you kill and covet ?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 10:43am On Jan 18, 2017
Junia:
I read all these and i see ... law law law
Are Christians under the law or under grace ??
Tithe doesnt include money .. like Jesus will pay and teach His disciples to do likewise
Christians are not under the law but under grace
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 9:12am On Jan 18, 2017
CecyAdrian:
Oga, stop turning the whole thing around, God is not the author of confusion, read those verses and understand them, all the tithes mentioned in all the scriptures are all pointing to the same thing. It was fully explained in Deut, other places tithe was mentioned in the bible is just a brief touch on.
Even Jewish Rabbis will tell you there were different tithes . This article

Biblical scholars have seen the differences in these sources concerning the recipients of the tithe as due to the social background of two separate sources, each having its own applications. Throughout the Rabbinic literature, however, the sources are harmonized and the following system emerges.

Terumah
The tithes have to be given from corn, wine, and oil by biblical law and from fruit and vegetables by Rabbinic law. The farmer first separates from the yield a portion (a sixtieth, fiftieth, or fortieth at the farmer’s discretion), known as terumah (‘heave offering’ or ‘gift’). This is given to a Kohen (priest) and is treated as sacred food in that it must not be eaten when the priest is in a state of ritual contamination or when the terumah itself has suffered contamination. Nor may it be eaten by a non-Kohen. tithing

Three Kinds of Maaser
A tenth of the remainder of the yield, known as maaser rishon, ‘the first tithe,’ is then separated and given to a Levite. The Levite, in turn, separates a tenth of his tithe and this, known as terumat maaser, is given to a Kohen to be treated with the same degree of sanctity as the original terumah, The portion given to the Levite has no sanctity and may be eaten by an ordinary Israelite.

The farmer separates a tenth of the reminder of his yield, known as maser sheni, ‘the second tithe.’ This has to be taken to Jerusalem and consumed there in a spirit of sanctity. If it is too difficult to take the second tithe to Jerusalem, it can be redeemed by substituting for it a sum of money which is then taken to Jerusalem and food and drink purchased with it to be consumed there.
Find the link below :http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/tithing/
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 9:05am On Jan 18, 2017
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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 6:05am On Jan 18, 2017
CecyAdrian:
I see another format brewing cheesy but God is not the author of confusion. If you read through all these verses and chapters, you will realize that God was repeating the same thing, tithe is tithe, there is no specific tithe.
All" the tithes to the priest and thou shall eat the tithe " do they sound the same ? YEARLY and every THREE years " do they sound same ?

1. The Levitical, or sacred tithe (Num. 18: 21, 24).

2. The tithe of the feasts (Deut. 14:22-27).

3. The tithe for the poor (Deut. 14:28, 29).

Who did Abraham eat his tithe with
Christianity Etc › Re: Greedy Pastors And The Tithe Scam by petra1(m): 5:13am On Jan 18, 2017
jideflash:
Greedy Pastors and the scam of tithes. If only you know how the money donated to churches are completely spent. Can any church confidently open their financial books publicly or atleast to their church members, let's know why we keep donating to them instead of the people who really need the help. Many people will never see reason with this, because they have been completely brainwashed by manipulative religious leaders and scare of a phantom wrath. 80% of Christianity in Nigeria is Just business. Religion is not Spirituality. If we are so religious in Nigeria, how come corruption elope the whole Nation (from the lowest citizens to the highest Govt positions). How come there is stagnation in our development. How come the poor keep increasing. Christian mothers paying for Special centres for their lads. Church assets that are larger than some national banks. Pastors celebrating lavish parties, mansions and cars while their members sow their last kobo to them in faith.
JIDE Flash - 17/01/2017
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You're not correct sir. Firstly church money belong to the ministry and not the man. Most pastors except some general overseers have their jobs and businesses . Find out from winners ,Cec , redeemed etc. The pastors are serving voluntarily. Except if such a one has need to go into full time ministry if the responsibility becomes too big to handle as a lay pastor . Even as at that the church money is not his own. He is put on an allowance like every other staff in the church . A bank manager is not the owner of the bank money he only oversee . Same goes for pastors . There is financial structure in every church . You don't dump the money into pastor pocket . Volunteers from church are involved counting and taking records and it's sent to the bank, The pastor only sees the book . And he's not the only signatory . In some churches he is not even a singnatory at all. One of the considerations in sending a man to pastor a branch most tithes is that he has a job. Most times he spend his money to run the church . Until the church is able to take care of her bill ,yet he still gives tithes and offering like everyone else.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m):
CecyAdrian:
While reading through the scripture one day, I came across rules and regulations concerning tithe in Deuteronomy , I was shocked because I never knew that the issue of tithe was talked about anywhere else excerpt in Malachi 3:8. Now, when you take a look at Deuteronomy 14 when God was giving the children of Israelite rules and regulations, God explained the concept or reason for tithe to them and gave them rules to abide in regards to it, from verse 22 downwards explains it so well.

Then you also go to Deuteronomy 26:12 downwards, the same rule was also repeated, and an very sure that the reason why God said that we should bring our tithes and offering in Malachi 3: 10 was for the actualization of his rules and regulation in Deuteronomy, which is feeding the Levites, poor, widows and the needy in the society

So, now I ask, why do pastors prefer Malachi even to the extent of twisting it to favour their aims instead of giving their church members the full concept, rules and regulations regarding tithing which the Lord commanded in Deuteronomy.
No you're wrong . There were 2 major tithes in Israel . Actually 3 . But majorly 2 . The first one is the yearly tithes Which goes to the priesthood esclusively every year. While the other is every 3 years . And also the tithes that is eaten in a feast is different from the tithes given to God .

Deuteronomy 14:22
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

Numbers 18:21
21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Leviticus 27:30
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

The second one is every 3 years which is shared .

Deuteronomy 14:28
28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:


The third one is for family to cover for the feast expenses or so . I will double check on this . The tithes that is eaten in a feast is different from the tithes given to God
Christianity Etc › Re: Karma Strikes Bishop Eddie Long, Black Christians Are Full Of Pedophiles. by petra1(m): 10:16pm On Jan 17, 2017
ThEy said he's recovering from cancer . Why do you choose to believe he's dying of aids
Christianity Etc › Re: Attention!!! Strictly For Christians!! by petra1(m): 8:29am On Jan 17, 2017
bennyann:
Joagbaje aka petra1, I need your prayers here. wink
im in agreement with you sir. the spirit of God is the revealer of christ to blind heart . may he prevail and cause the name of christ to be sanctified in their hearts.as he opens their understanding to truth
Christianity Etc › Re: "The End Is Here!" -Rev. Dr. Chris Oyakhilome Shares On Kingschat by petra1(m): 4:40pm On Jan 07, 2017
hi donnie
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Antichrist? by petra1(m): 11:45am On Jan 06, 2017
DoctorAlien:
The antichrist is the Pope as a person: the office of the papacy.
No Jew has been a pope so far . Remember Jews won't accept unclean gentile as a messiah . He must he one of theirs . That's what we must first consider .
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Antichrist? by petra1(m): 10:38pm On Jan 05, 2017
DoctorAlien:
Don't worry, one day you will see the Pope hailed as the messiah by this Israeli state founded on propaganda.

Some questions: does the pope regard GOD? He claims to have succeeded Peter. But does he regard the GOD Peter served, and which the forefathers of Peter served? Does the Pope regard the desire of women? Does the Pope marry? Does the Pope not claim that he is above all, and that he is equal to or even greater than GOD? Do they not call him "Lord God the Pope"? Do you want a link to all the quotes the Pope has made in which he claims to be GOD?
Which of Pope? attention was on pope john Paul before. maybe when an isreali becomes pope i will listen to you. but for now. the jews are waiting for their messiah ,from the tribe of judah.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Antichrist? by petra1(m): 9:15pm On Jan 05, 2017
DoctorAlien:
It is what the Bible teaches, any honest and diligent Bible student will agree.
I dont agree with you. The antichrist ought to be a jew by blood. not Roman. he is going to be a type of Christ from line of David. The jews can't accept a gentile dog in the name of Pope as their messiah.


. . .37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all..DAN 11:37
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is coming soon. This thread is for faithful watchmen by petra1(m): 8:43pm On Jan 05, 2017
MrPresident1:
Who will answer these questions?
From this thread and other related thread, has anyone been able to identify:

1. The Falling Away?
2. The Son of Perdition?
3. Iron and Clay?

Has anyone been able to identify these three events/persons?
APOSTASY
It simply makes reference to men departing from faith into wrong doctrine and apostacy

SON OF PERDITION
The bible didn't give name. except description . Many people fits the description

IRON AND CLAY
it points to a weak government which is engulfing the world. we can call it democracy power of the people compared to dictatorship of babylon
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Antichrist? by petra1(m): 8:32pm On Jan 05, 2017
Rilwayne001:
Aren't the Jews Antichrist too?
you're right to an extent . the antichrist is supposed to be a jew . at least by origin , he may have citizenship of other european nations
Christianity Etc › Re: Nairaland Has Destroyed Many Religious Soul(must Read) by petra1(m): 8:30pm On Jan 05, 2017
butterflylion:
Okay, i get it now. Thanks.

Its actually true. You can't know Christ, Loved Christ with all your heart and still turned and spit on his face? No, you can't.

Lets see something. Shey you knew Christian and Loved Him with all your heart? Fine.
Pls what does it mean to ...

Be enlightened.
What does it mean to Taste the Heavenly Gift?

What is heavenly gift?

How can one be made a partaker of the Holy Ghost?

How does one taste the good word of God?

What are the powers of the world to come?

Hebrews 6:4-7.

If yo[b][/b]u experienced all the above, then you knew Christ, and loved Him. because. Its love that will elevate you to all the above.


Am waiting for your response.
1 John 2:19
 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Antichrist? by petra1(m): 8:20pm On Jan 05, 2017
DoctorAlien:
Why asking?
Thats the adventist doctrine . papacy as antichrist and sunday worship as the mark of the beas
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Antichrist? by petra1(m): 7:27pm On Jan 05, 2017
DoctorAlien:
The dragon, of course, is Satan himself. But when did Satan deceive the whole world? When he was cast out of heaven, there were only two people on the earth, and they represented the entire world. By deceiving Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, Satan led all the world astray and came into temporary possession of the earth. The great controversy between good and evil, which had started in heaven, was now transferred to this planet.

A Prediction of Enmity

After the fall of man, God pronounced a curse upon each participant in that original transgression. In Genesis 3:15, we read of the curse that was placed upon the devil or the dragon. “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” Here is a prophecy of the age long struggle that would exist between the dragon and the woman, and between the seed of the dragon and the seed of the woman.
are you an adventist?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Pastor And Christians To Do Plastic Surgery? by petra1(m): 12:13am On Jan 03, 2017
Yarduni:
You have done a better job explaining God's position on plastic surgery. You see no problem in eugenics too right?
You've not answered the question
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Pastor And Christians To Do Plastic Surgery? by petra1(m): 8:33pm On Jan 02, 2017
Yarduni:
That would be difficult to tell just like Pakistanis telling you that honour killing of disobedient children is not a sin in their eyes. We need some pastor to come explain this.
Speak from your perspective. The Bible is not for pastors .its for us all.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Pastor And Christians To Do Plastic Surgery? by petra1(m): 7:48pm On Jan 02, 2017
Yarduni:
All these are far off from plastic surgery
Ok if someone had accid attack and he does plastic surgery is it a sin.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is "Sexually Transmitted Demons"? by petra1(m): 5:23pm On Jan 02, 2017
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Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Pastor And Christians To Do Plastic Surgery? by petra1(m): 5:16pm On Jan 02, 2017
Your look is your responsibility. There's no natural look. If you cut your hair you've tampered with nature. If you comb it self you've tampered with nature . If you eat too much , if you eat too little . If you eat late night ,if you worry too much ,if you don't eat good food , all these will affect how you look . It's your choice .
Christianity Etc › Re: TB Joshua Prophesied About The Recession 3 Years Ahead by petra1(op): 4:33pm On Jan 02, 2017
Ranchhoddas:
The Lord 'hid it from him' but he told it to his members anyway abi? The brainwash is strong on you. It is the type that does not go away except by fasting and prayer.
im not talking about the election. one can miss it in prophecy. you get the signals by impressions ,flashes ,pictures and some times visions and audible words. even with that it takes training to interpret it accurately. thats why the bible says prophecies can be judged.

but if youre talking about the collapsed building you can't blame him for not knowing. he could be one of the ways God humbles us
Christianity Etc › Re: TB Joshua Prophesied About The Recession 3 Years Ahead by petra1(op): 4:27pm On Jan 02, 2017
SirWere:
grin There were literally hundreds of economic analysts who predicted the recession tey......

Stop this nonsense!
thats not true. as far back as 2011 2012? can you make reference to such.?

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