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Maximus69:
Just a quotation where Jesus or any of his disciples gave an amount to a specific poor person, period!

You kindly tell us where the bible days he did not give to the poor

Maximus69:
No you misconstrued the whole thing!

Ha !

God prepared the Israelites for the coming of the Messiah by giving them laws that will help them to welcome the Messiah hospitably! Exodus 22:21, 23:9

So Jesus confidently sent his followers to go and meet God's people (Jews) without taking any provisions along because God's law says they must be kind to strangers! Matthew 10:9-10

But when sending them to places where the inhabitants don't know God's laws, Jesus changed the instruction! Luke 22:35-38

Brother , You seem to be the one mixing things up o. He didn’t sent to different peoples. It’s the same jews he sent them to . Not gentiles . He implies that if any of the cities of the Jews reject them they would be judged . He didn’t change any instruction as you implied

So Christians must provide whatever they needed without taking anything back from those they're to preach and teach! Matthew 10:8

Nooooo . He was still talking talking with his Disciples ( the Christians have not come yet) and secondly he didn’t change the rules .

There is no reason to expect anything in return for God's work today

That’s not what he said . He didn’t say “don’t take or expect . He only said don’t demand .

Luke 10:7
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire.

but back then in Israel God's law provide rules that favours strangers NOT the poor.

God’s law has always Favored the two

That's why you can never see where Jesus or his followers gave a dime to the poor

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Jesus did give to the poor

Instead of giving them money Jesus will heal the infirmity they're using as an excuse to beg! Matthew 20:29-34 compare to Act 3:1-9

If Jesus wasn’t giving to the poor The verses below won’t make sense

Matthew 19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Matthew 26:8-9
But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to thepoor.

John 13:29
For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him. .that he should give something to the poor.

Its about the knowledge of Gods word nah. its there other application?

Maximus69:
When did God's servants became strange beggars that you must give money? Psalms 23:1

I didnt say they begged. I was summering the passage .You know Jesus sent the deciples to go and preach without carrying any money . He said they should only take what welfare they give them.

Luke 10:4-8
Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house. And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again. And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:

But here he said if you give to anyone without the true doctrine you will be a partaker of his sin

2 John 1:10
If anyone comes to teach you, and he doesn't believe what Christ taught, don't even invite him into your home. Don't encourage him in any way.

Maximus69:
Please what is the correlation between the two bolded? :-

Anyone that does not preach the true gospel don’t give him your money l

Maximus69:
Jesus actually said there will be false prophets and they will mislead many! Matthew 24:11

So since the false prophets will mislead many people and no sane person wants to be misled, how do you distinguish between the true Prophet and False Prophet?

Firstly The passage you quoted is a futuristic prophecy for the Jews . These events will happen in their hour of tribulation after the church has been raptured

But nevertheless in every generation there will always be false prophets , apostles , teaches and false brethren .

Jesus said by the fruit they will be known . Their doctrine will be unbiblical and their conduct .

To avoid us living in suspicion . Jesus said we should judge not . We should accept anyone who call him lord . And anyone who is not against him .

Luke 9:50
And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Mark 9:39
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

2 John 1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

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Maximus69:
So who is the prophet of our time?

there are many prophets in this last days as the bible foretold

Maybe he got it from Walmart.

sexiestharam:
This question has left me wondering for months! No present day "Man of God" anywhere in the world saw the present pandemic coming this year. No single prophecy about it in their new year "predictions".

Many did . Your hatred dudnt allow you see it ni.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2_2Y_zHjEI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WCQhuh3KDg

God never leaves a generation without prophet.

Miracles are integral part of the gospel .

When someone says it's a miracle it should not be castigated because it's a way of glorifying God and attributing the testimony to him .

HappyPagan:
Unlike doctors whose knowledge only comes from man, spiritual healers have direct access to the one who created the human body..they have access to knowledge science can only imagine. I want government to support them, to let them gather.. wherever they choose to like they do during the conventions.

Gather them along with their church members, preferably between the Mountain of Fire and the Redeemed Camp. God's presence should be so thick there even Satan's prayers will be answered.

Gather the most spiritual of them - the prayer warriors, the choristers, the Elders, the Kings and Queens, let them gather themselves together and reach out to God. Arm them with Bibles and gallons of olive oil. Let them begin to pray.

Then send in a few of the covid cases for healing. I assure you those who are sick will be out in less than a week...not to talk of two weeks.


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Good recommendation , if done with heart to seek God and humble before him. Not a contest

Kobojunkie:
The verse above shows that the gentiles are not necessarily of the Abrahamic tree. Do we have faith? Well, since faith applies to all men, then yes, we do have faith.

You May Need to study more About who Abraham is God’s plan for salvation for mankind was cut in Abrahamic covenant. Abraham was not a Jew . He’s the father of faith , father of the world .

I see I made an error there. I meant the Hebrews whom Paul addressed there in his letter to the Hebrews of his time.

My quotation was not from Hebrew but romans It’s important for you to also note that the book of Romans was not written to Jews but the gentile church yet he called Abraham our father and not the father of jews

Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all

what faith under abraham? Please provide information to back up this claim of faith that existed under Abraham, preferably from the book of Genesis were Abraham's story is detailed.

God chose Abraham to bless the entire world through him . He was God’s point of contact for planet earth . His Relationdhip with God , offering , tithe , righteousness , justification was not based on the law but faith . The high priestHood of his generation was Melchizedek order. tithing was a principle till the time of Jacob until they went into Egypt’ and could not practice their faith . God brought them out to worship him . And gave them laws and instituted tithing again .

If I paid a 10th of the money I had at a given time to the pizza man after his delivering my pizza order, are we to assume that I must have tithed -- fulfilled the covenant of God, even according to the law of tithing?

No , except your pizza man is a high priest of God who cane to have communion with you

Oh it does matter, because you state that tithing has been in existence since before God even put together his law on tithing. And the one record that you suppose supports your claim has no suggestion that the loot given by Abraham to Melchizedek had anything to do with tithing -- i

It’s not honor to dilute the word of God as you try to do . You know it’s a tithe Abraham Gave , God also demanded the tithe from Jacob . Let’s be sincere , leave argument apart . Tithe is given to God as a spiritual offering

So, unless you are willing to accept that my example above(paying 1/10th for pizza) is also tithing, you would need to do a lot more in proving that what Abraham did was tithing, and it was not a one time act by Him.

the fact that only one incidence is recorded doesn’t mean it occur once , secondly It doesnt matter how many times Abraham did it . Monthly weekly , yearly , or once in a lifetime . Tithe and offerings are principles which pre existed the law

By the way, Paul, in Hebrews does state that it was a 1-time act for Abraham.

That’s the record in the manuscript found , not all things are detailed and not all manuscript are found . his emphasis was not about Abraham but how great Melchizedek is something like “ he is so great a high priest that he blessed Abraham , he is so great a high priest that Abraham Paid tithes to him. Let us not miss the big picture .

Yeah, that is still part of the same Law of tithing.. remember how I stated that the law is spread about all 4 books(Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy), each piece a part of the whole. The so-called "Tithe of the poor", and the "tithe of the feast" you refer to are both detailed in Deuteronomy 14, and 26, which I have posted numerous times at this point. These laws were not added anywhere else in the bible cause they were part of the very Law of tithing that God created for His people to obey as part of the Law of Moses.

firstly tithing did not originate under the law . secondly We are not under the law . The law is only a reference . Tithes and offerings are eternal kingdom principles . As long as there is a high priest tithes and offerings are valid , worship is valid , prayer is valid and other principles which pre existed the law.

God testified of Abraham that he trusted him to teach his household the oracle of God. He passed the knowledge of tithing to his family and it’s in that ground I saac pass it to Jacob and Jacob made the afirmation.

Genesis 28:21-22
. . and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Tithe is a spiritual oblation to God .

. If you read your bible, rather than continue to chase after your notes from your bibles and preachers, you would realize that this was less of a spiritual exercise.

If you start being insultive I may stop responding to you

LordReed:
American zombie welcome back, how was the Trump shit you went to eat?

Maestro21:
The more you post the more you make yourself look more asinine

I believe we can still pass our points across without offensive words and abuses, except if you guys are just playing with each other

Kobojunkie:
Abraham was the father of everyone in the Jewish Faith i.e. the Hebrews

Where did the Bible day so

But, We gentiles are not descendants of Abraham, and have faith too.

Prove it from scripture

The verse above mentions nothing of us learning of the laws or of tithing under abrahamic covenant. And in no way does it build on your association of the law of Sin and Death with the Abraham Convenant.

Tithing did not originate in the law of Moses . It was already a practice of faith under Abraham

Abraham paid a tenth of his spoils of war, once to King Melchizedek...

And what is that tenth called ?

there is no record of them ever meeting again.

Record or no record does it matter . Abraham prayed only once or twice by record does it mean he never prayed. Again ?

So, what happened to this claim of tithing being established when God's Law of tithing was a regular duty?
Who added two more tithes for the jews? Where?

Under the law he added The tithe of feast and
The tithe for the poor

Where in the Bible does God state that Tithes and Offering are Spiritual Oblations?

Do you understand the meaning of oblation

Kobojunkie:
Abraham was the father of Israel, not the father of faith.

He is the father of everyone who is of faith .

The covenant God made with Abraham did not include the tithing you suggest. Please go and re-read the covenant God made with Abraham. No where does God stipulate tithing of any sort to be included

It’s from Abrahamic under abrahamic covenant we first learned of tithing . It came before the law . We are not children of law but children of Faith of Abraham .

Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

You need to read and understand paul's assertion to the Hebrews again to understand what Paul really was saying, instead of trying desperately to re-write scripture to fit the narrative you have in your mind there. God does not make mistakes and He does not change His mind on what He has set in motion. Paul knew of this even when He was speaking to the Hebrews where He mentioned Abraham's one time payment of 10% of his booty from war to Melchizedek, King of Salem

The book of Hebrews only emphasized that the priesthood of Melchizedek in the days of Abraham was higher than the priesthood of Levi .

And please where exactly did you find that God modified the existing principle for them under levitical priesthood? He established the priesthood(was that modified as well)?

He added 2 more tithes for the Jews making it 3

P.S. God's Tithing law was essentially as sort of taxation system set up for the nation of Israel at that time.

Tithe and offerings are spiritual Oblations

ScepticalPyrrho:
He was ignorant of the fact that there is no God that interferes in the activities of men.

Oh , you're one of them!!

There's much to say but you can't understand it.

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But I can tell you God is real and he loves you . And he has a plan for your life and I pray that you get aligned with God

Kobojunkie:
God had a covenant before His first covenant? Did God know of this?

Abrahamic covenant is the biggest of all covenant . He is the father of faith .

So what you are saying is long before God instituted His first covenant with Israel, the law of tithing existed? Did God not know of this before He asked Moses to do all he did in preparation of His tithing law in the book of Numbers? So, you are saying that God should not asked Aaron and moses to carry out the census which they did in the book of Numbers of the Levites, and of the other tribes -information which God then used to put together His final tithing formula for the people of Israel?

Tithes and offering were already existing principle .

You need to read the book of Numbers chapter's 1 through Chapter 4, to see that God in fact had a formula as to how the rest of the tribe of Israel paid the portion of their tithe that was to the Levites. A beautiful design indeed!

God gave them a design but that was not the origin . He only modified an existing principle for them under levitical priesthood . Tithes and offerings existed before that.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Wow... that last line doesn't make God the hero though.
He really died of ignorance.

Maybe it depends on what you mean by ignorance

donsolo4u2c:
That is the full definitions of FAITH
He died in what he believe
@Lalasticala

Yes , He did well , but only God knows if he died of covid- but even if he did . He's a man of conviction

Good to stay in the middle of the road than this extreme and the other extreme ....Kenneth Hagin

Kobojunkie:
Ask yourself the big question, if Jesus has [b]Fulfilled [/b]the Old Covenant on your behalf, why do you find yourself still living by a law defined in the Old Covenant and not in the Covenant that Jesus said you should live by instead?
The old covenant is completely different from the new covenant. And it is not possible to put one foot into the old covenant and one foot into the new covenant. It is essentially an ALL or NOTHING deal whichever way you choose. Jesus put it something like this.... you do not put New wine into Old wine skin. Same way you do not put Old wine into new wine skin.

He, Jesus, has already paid the debt you owe as far as the Old Covenant is concerned. Essentially instead the 613 commandments/Statues of the old covenant(a very heavy yoke for even the people of Israel who carry it),Jesus offered us all each only about 46 statutes/commandments to Obey(Jesus said His yoke is like), of which tithing is not even one of them(since it is of a part of and remains a part of the old covenant). So why are you still choosing to follow the old covenant when you have yet exhausted yourself with obeying the new covenant that Jesus has stipulated for you to obey daily?

Tithe has no connection with Jesus death or the law. Tithe pre existed the law of moses . It was already an operational principle. Just like prayer , worship , alms , meditation etc

desiredhome:
Ok...
Does it mean, it's now the responsibility of the church to take care of the Priestly, the widows and the orphans, the poor in the church?

It depends but How do you mean ?

Lady have you not seen enough proof tha every malaria case is being labeled covid here while the politicians smile to the banks .

desiredhome:
What do you mean by the later 2 dies ?

It’s been modified

ScepticalPyrrho:
Someone said "God" is a scam on another thread....

Makes you wonder if the Pastor didn't have enough faith, or God is dead.

Maybe maybe not . We need to hear from people close to him . They can tell us of his faith . We can’t trust press or government agent .

If he healed people before and there were proof . It tells us of his calling and grace upon him . If he donated bucket and mask it shows his heart of care. If he lay hands on the sick , it shows his conviction . He will not risk his life if he doesn’t believe . If he was really infected as they Claim he could have sought medical treatment but if he stood on the ground of his faith not minding to die believing , he’s a hero of courage .

Thelucifer666:
Cameroonian Pastor, Frankline Ndifor has died 1 week after contracting Coronavirus.

He claimed he could cure Coronavirus and laid hands on Coronavirus patients to deliver them. Hundreds of his followers gathered at his house to sing, claiming he was not dead & was just sleeping.

Doctor Gaelle Nnanga said by messaging application from Douala that Ndifor died less than a week after being diagnosed with COVID-19.

He says that some members of Ndifor’s Kingship International Ministries Church called him to come to the pastor’s aid when they found out Ndifor was in agony, and that when the medical team he leads arrived, Ndifor was having severe respiratory difficulties. He says the pastor died less than 10 minutes after they treated him.

The governor of Cameroon’s coastal region, where Douala is, said in a release he deployed police to force their way to Ndifor’s residence when his followers chased medical staff away, claiming that the pastor was on a spiritual retreat with God, rather than dead, and should not be buried.

Panic has gripped several hundred people after a popular Cameroon pastor and candidate in the central African state’s last presidential election, Frankline Ndifor, died of COVID-19 following his prayers that hundreds of his supporters cured of the coronavirus. Cameroon police used force to gain access to his residence in the economic capital city Douala, as some of his supporters blocked entrances, praying for his resurrection.

Hundreds of followers sang Sunday morning at Ndifor’s Douala residence that the man popularly referred to as the prophet is not dead, but he is rather on a spiritual retreat with God and will return soon. Their singing and prayers were broadcast by several local radio stations.


Ndifor died and was buried in front of his residence Saturday by workers of Cameroon’s COVID-19 response team in Douala.

Doctor Gaelle Nnanga said by messaging application from Douala that Ndifor died less than a week after being diagnosed with COVID-19.

He says that some members of Ndifor’s Kingship International Ministries Church called him to come to the pastor’s aid when they found out Ndifor was in agony, and that when the medical team he leads arrived, Ndifor was having severe respiratory difficulties. He says the pastor died less than 10 minutes after they treated him.

The governor of Cameroon’s coastal region, where Douala is, said in a release he deployed police to force their way to Ndifor’s residence when his followers chased medical staff away, claiming that the pastor was on a spiritual retreat with God, rather than dead, and should not be buried.

Ndifor follower Rigobert Che says the "prophet" last Wednesday prayed for him and several dozen people diagnosed with COVID-19, and some who suspected they were carriers or had symptoms. He says via a messaging application that Ndifor’s death has brought panic to the hundreds of people who have been visiting him for prayers for a divine cure.

"This is a pastor that has been laying hands [on the sick] and claiming that he cures COVID-19," Che said. "If you, the person that claims that you are curing COVID-19, you are dead, what about the fellow people that were affected by the COVID-19? Now that he is dead, I do not know how the people that he was laying hands on will be healed."

Medical staff are asking all those who came in contact with the pastor to report to hospitals to be tested for COVID-19.

Besides praying for COVID-19 patients at his home and his church, Ndifor was also donating buckets and soap to the poor to protect themselves from the coronavirus by washing their hands. His last public outing was on April 20, when he went out into Douala’s streets to distribute facemasks.

Ndifor had a reputation as a miracle healer,
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He should be commended , he stood for what he believe . He finished in faith . Adieu . . . Brother

Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. . . .

yanabasee1:
And our tithing pastors claimed that the government r fused them the opportunity to open churches to lead prayers or go on visit to isolation centres to perform miracles....
Unknown to them, the government is only avoiding more cases..

Not exactly