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ufidelis:
.DONT 4 GET, ISRAEL OF TODAY DONT TITHE,!!!!

Neither do they believe in Jesus . Are you following a backslidden nation or the word of God

NICE PLANE!!

OkCornel:
Even animal sacrifice existed before the Law

The burnt offerings were Sin offerings and jesus fulfilled that . There was no fulfillment for alms , Tithe’s , or free will offering

so what's your point?

The point is that , there are principles of Gods kingdom in the Old Testament . They are still applicable because they are Kindom principles .

Bros, tithing before the Law was not obligatory or mandatory on anyone...

Just as alms or prayer or fasting . Its a necessity It’s a choice . You do it you’re blessed for it , you don’t do it you miss it’s blessing

we are no longer under the Law hence, tithing does not even apply to Christians..

We not under the law as an institution but there are principles before the law and in the law that are forever . For example the law says you shouldn’t have affection for animals it also says you shouldn’t have Relationdhip with blood relatives . Can you marry your younger sister now since you are not under the law?

.it's a personal thing between you and God...but no one should preach someone is under devourer's curse for not complying...

That’s not the law but a message from God through his prophet

Besides, you haven't pointed out where God instructed His children to pay tithes monetarily...

Tithe’s can be paid in cash or kind even under the law

Luke 18:12
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

Was it crop Abraham gave ?

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION...IF I LOVE GOD AND MAN AS JESUS MANDATED

So why don’t you follow Jesus mandate for tithe also

I WOULD HONOR MY FATHER AND MOTHER WITHOUT HAVING TO FEEL THE CONSCIOUSNESS OR BURDEN OF THE LAW TO PROVE MY RIGHTEOUSNESS TO GOD...

Through Love...the Law is fulfilled. However, you do not need to follow the instructions in the Law to prove your love to God... rather, the Holy Spirit and Love is what should lead you...and not the requirements of the Law...

Wrong ‘ without the law you will never have known what is right or wrong that’s what they told you . Read the Bible for yourself

1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Look at the scripture below :

Ephesians 6:2
2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

Let me ask you a question why would Paul be quoting the law You condemned

OkCornel:
Are you still under the burden of the Law as per Matthew 23 v 23 to keep on tithing? or are you the Pharisee Jesus was admonishing?

Tithe’s and offering existed before the law . Can you answer this : When you honor you father and mother are you under the burden of the law?
When you give alms to the poor are you under the burden of the law?
When you give free will offering in church are you under the burden of the law ?

connectikut89:
Petra1 is a dingbat who thinks he's a Bible genius of some sort.

Thanks for the compliment

because there's no instance of Jesus paying it or admonishing us to, neither is there a record of the early Christians doing so.

JESUS SAYS TO TITHE
Matthew 23:23
. . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .

Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )

^^^^^^
Thanks too brother

WHATS THE PROOF ?

danvon:
Peter and some of them continued though


"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.

But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus."
John:21:3-4

Olodo..that was a distraction to Peter and the rest . Peter who was to be feeding the sheep abandoned the ministry . What did Jesus tell him that day ?

John 21:15
15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

BluntBoy:
What is extreme about the use of the word "Government"?

I didn't make any sense of your post after "extreme" caught my eyes.

Perhaps, you might want to explain your WHO and WHAT ambiguity.

read it again.

@ bernimoore you should have posted the videos for references

metro10:
Sahara Reporter did not do the video. They only copied and edited from Worship Media of Chidi, the Canadian Nigerian pastor who was helpful to Stephanie Orono when the issue started. Get your facts straight.

I have been suspecting this Chidi man since . I even rebuked him YouTube once for trying to use her to make money

victorD3:
You didnt see all the prove she released online?

THERE WASNT ANY PROOF.

STRPHANIE DISCRREDITS SAHARA REPORTERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnbUuOBf6uE

STRPHANIE DISCRREDITS SAHARA REPORTERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnbUuOBf6uE

STRPHANIE DISCRREDITS SAHARA REPORTERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnbUuOBf6uE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnbUuOBf6uE

victorD3:
does she been paid to blackmail the Apostle erase the fact that he was sleeping with her? The young lady was singled out by the blackmailers because the Apostle was messing with her. GBAM!!

He didn’t sleep with her . What’s your proof ?

linearity:
I watched that Sahara report video, where she stated that she is been coerced to confess and that she will not do it.

If what she said in that video is now a lie, there is truly no bases to conclude that her actual confession is the truth.

An objective trial of facts will not take anything this lady said seriously including her prior accusations.

Let’s fold our arms as she mentioned these ‘powerful politicians and pastors” in court. But am not holding my breath, because all these are shams and no name will be mentioned or ‘made’ public....this matter will just die ‘as is’ :sad.

Conscience was disturbing her but they wouldn’t want her to back down on her accusation . So as a security For their investment they made her do the video just in case she come up with the confession again . But she still went against the agreement . Then they struck.

Sahara tv forced her to do the video

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BERNIMOORE:
have you seen the latest video that counters sowoore video of June 2017? Just imagine the frame up

Why not post it as a new thread to counter this one

BluntBoy:
Spare me. So, the government just hatched on a plan to blackmail Suleman? Are you trying to tell me that Stephenie had no relationship with Suleman and yet Suleman had her arrested because she tried to blackmail him? Can you attempt to blackmail somebody without having damning evidences? If Stephenie's evidences were not so damning and threatening, why was Suleman so worked up by them that he had to run to the police to help him arrest Stephenie?

Would you believe that a whole government would want to use just any random person to discredit Suleman? And supposing Stephenie's part was to just discredit Suleman, how come the government could not just get any random girl in Nigeria to do it or is Stephenie such a famous blackmailer that the government had to leave Nigeria to seek for her services in faraway Canada.

Bro, you cannot just dismiss Stephenie as a random person in Suleman's life. Supposing she is truly being used by the government, then it must be for the reasons that she once had an affair with Suleman. If truly the government wants Suleman down, they would not just get anyone to lie. They would get someone who had once had dealings with Suleman.

And in truth, why would the government want Suleman down? You think if they want to destroy Suleman, they would need to resort to cheap blackmail? I don't even see how Suleman is a threat to this government. Was Suleman the first to speak on the herdsmen killings? What makes Suleman so special that a whole Nigerian government would be scheming his downfall? Not even the loudmouth FFK and Fayose are a threat to this government. You people and Suleman must have a delusional sense of importance.

Don’t say government . Who is the government ? Why using extreme language . There is different between “GOVERNMMENT”. and “SOME PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT “ besides the issue is not about “WHO but WHAT”. It was an arranged set up .Who ever used her or backed her is her business .

BERNIMOORE:
have you seen the latest video that counters sowoore video of June 2017? Just imagine the frame up

Yes I did , thanks for sharing it

asuustrike2009:
Which of the Lazarus,?

I when Jesus raised Lazarus they refused to believe . When Lazarus showed up they wanted to kill him

Pls see the thread here

https://www.nairaland.com/4318951/stephanie-otobo-apostle-suleiman-reminds

BluntBoy:
Could I force you to part with money if I haven't convinced you that I have something good enough to bring you down? If Suleman had nothing to hide, why would the threat of a blackmailer get to him so badly that he had to run to the police?

You don’t know what set up is . May you not experience it . By the time they put the facts and lies together before you and form a story out of it . Your legs can give way . Even in your innocence . Especially to public’ figure . Someone can take selfie with you and it’s with intention . God help you of the person did it on multiple occasion . Especially you MR good man who like to make everyone happy . Even though you took selfie with many on that day but this one created a story . Going public’ what can you say . Before you can explain yourself if anyone cares to hear , your image is smeared . They will let you know the plan they have if you don’t Cooperate . A pastor almost went to jail , they paid ransom money into his account . That’s all . They don’t need the money all they wanted was to send him to jail . It there was a real kidnap just to set him up .

A lady called a pastor that her younger sister carried knife to stab her . The pastor rushes there that night . He didn’t see a younger sister . Only the lady , the lady says the sister has ran out . A man knocks on the door . I want to see the pastor . The lady shouts at him . Go and wait for him in his office . The pastor comes out . The man is not there . Following day . The man calls the pastor and demanded 200k or he will go to the press and claim the pastor was having affair . The pastor calls a bluff . Few hours . Local newspaper men called the pastor that a story came to them . Will he pay them or pay later to give his own side . The pastor calls his lawyer . The lawyer had to call some militant to warn them . If they publish any such . The pastor still paid o but small egunje. Because the lawyer said he can nail them but image would have been stained . It’s not about justice it’s about attacking your name . Apostle was very courageous he stood his ground .

davodyguy:
Have you seen the new video released by Otobo? Please see it.

I know there's more to this Suleiman vs Otobo saga

Yes I saw it . It’s a set up against apostle Sule from the beginning kindly read my thread

https://www.nairaland.com/4318951/stephanie-otobo-apostle-suleiman-reminds

TheTrueApostle:
We are tired of hearing things like healing HIV, changing genotype and other "miracles" averse to science. Since these men claim to twist the arm of science into its favour.
We will appreciate seeing them,
1)pray for an amputee to grow a limb, and
2)a dwarf turn into a tall man.

They should just do this, The physical things our eyes see and we are good , so they can clear all doubts.


The Apostle.

Men of God don’t need to prove anything . They serve at the level of their abilities . Unbelief is a spiritual problem. Those who don’t believe Even if the dead is raised they will still not believe


Luke 16:30-31
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

hopefulLandlord:
Petra1, your question is does Sule need Otobo confession? and the answer is a resounding Yes! Otobo confessing would lend a truckload more credibility to his innocence than any court ruling in his favour can

Who cares about innocence to the public . There will always be scandals . How many people can you explain yourself to . You move on with life . It’s small men that is concerned about opinion . He didn’t need her confession for endorsement . He’s doing well without her

Gombs:
?... Simple! Background out of court settlement. His reputation is at stake, we'd see how he'd wriggle out of this one.

Can you explain this part above

Gombs:
The shamelessless of people who'd rather believe a lie than believe a Pastor is innocent.

It’s like Lazarus case . The evidence must die

BluntBoy:
Bro, think now. Use your brain.

I am but I wonder if you’re using yours . You guys are ready to believe any falsehood against the church of christ . At least be diligent to be objective so you can see clearly

If she had such calibre of people behind her, would Suleman have been able to even have her locked up in the first place?

Anyone can be locked up especially when it comes to blackmail and he had his own records to nail her and her team . That’s when the likes of keyamo swung in. The police told him to pay the ransom money after investigating and monitoring her calls and demand . When she went to cash the money they were waiting

Remember Stephenie's mother's confession too?[/quote]

BERNIMOORE:
heloo sir, it appears that you did not listen to the video, that video posted by the Op is misleading, it was done 7 months Ago, but the lady has repented now she said in her latest video yesterday that she wasnt paid but rather she want peace with herself

I was actually referring to the other video she did last year .I felt conscience was disturbing her since but she didn’t know how it will turn out either to her acceptance and fame or abuse and rejection so she made the video down just Incase the apology would not Favour her she will blame it on the apostle that he forced her. Maybe she really repented but she should have withdrawn the video from Sahara reporters but thank you for the new video you sent