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Shirley07: If they were female in male bodies, why did they have to be injected with female hormones for their sex change?
According to that article of yours, they already had a female brain components and to my knowledge, the brain regulate every part of the body including hormones secretion.

Are u saying gender dysphoria is not an issue but a figment of some peoples imagination or some peoples whims

Yes or No

tatiana009: Transgenders are generally frowned upon in sports because even with the hormone therapy as long as the person didn't start it until adulthood then his bones are already developed and the bone density is stronger than that of a normal woman so that's an unfair advantage. It's stylish cheating

Are u saying the MMA authorities are also encouraging cheating by allowing her retain her license
Did u read the part she quote about no studies showing any difference between transgender woman and a normal woman
or are u spouting the same reasons opponents of transgender spout

She sees herself as a woman
The law agrees
All is well

Damn..u guys should choose a side

she a woman.. let her fight with women
why the selective love

In an interview with "Inside MMA," Fallon said that "I don’t believe that a transgender fighter should have to disclose her personal medical history to other female fighters before they fight. It’s simply for the reason the medical community and the scientific community have come to the consensus that post-operative transsexual fighters who have been on hormone-replacement therapy and testosterone suppression, when they’re going from male to female, haven’t been found to have any physiological advantages over other women.”

Yet u persist in your line of thinking

It is a disorder which can be corrected andshe has done it
coco.. open ur mind and read up

The current medical approach to treatment for persons diagnosed with gender identity disorder is to support the individual in physically modifying the body to better match the psychological gender identity.[9] This approach is based on the concept that their experience is based in a medical problem correctable by various forms of medical intervention.[9][10]

cococandy: Emphasis on disorder!

cococandy: what science? It's not a consensus.
Only a school of thought

Damn... i cant believe this.. you call an established science a school of thought
this is an issue plaguing millions worldwide and u call it whims

You are able totolerate gays but not this one..
Google gender dyspohoria

Let me help u

I never knew u were a selective bigot

Gender identity disorder (GID) or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (discontent) with the sex they were assigned at birth and/or the gender roles associated with that sex. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones.[1]

cococandy: You're deliberatly not getting me.
I know.
If their acting out affects the next person,is still ok then?
Whatever they do as long as it doesn't affect the next person negatively,I don't care.
But when it does,then they have to answer for it.

And there again.. you dont get it
Science says she was unfortunate to have been born a woman in a male body (gender mismatch)
She was opportuned to go to Thailand and change to a woman

So her gender and sex now match

She wants to fight.. u are discriminating against her that she is not a woman?

why??
coco..

why?

5minsmadness:
for goodness sake there's a bulge in those pants!
Honestly I don't know why but I've been laughing since I opened this thread

yes oo.. they even gave her a camel toe

when u go gve us zombie tales naaaa

cococandy: So we were right. She didn't know at first.
Even though she believes she didn't necessarily have to know.
That's why I said it's based on the misleading conclusion that they are now fully women.
I guess Brent knows better now that she has felt the blow.

once again.. you persist in this error
Brent her opponent knew fallon fox was born as a man
Moreover it does not matter as FAllon Fox is licensed to fight as a woman

phew....

cococandy: That's the problem.
I was saying it on another thread. Aren't they stepping on our own right by forcing us to participate in celebrating them?

I mean you can be gay all you want and I won't insult or ridicule you but you're going that extra ridiculous mile if you expect me to be the minister at your wedding.

Which is what most of them do and I think it is wrong.they want to be let live but won't let others live. Some of them though.

Im gay
Im a christian
I want to marry my bf
You say u will not officiate my wedding
U r a bigot

coco.. are u a closet bigot

TV01: Long short is that she was MMA board licenced to compete as a woman. That satisfies. Legally it's no ones business that she used to be a he. And contrary thought or utterances will be classified as bigotry.
Any born female competitor who refuses to face a trans oponent wil be labelled hateful and bigoted. Any board that tries to make the distinction - i.e. discriminate - will be targetted and lobbied against.
It's here already
TV

I wonder why they been missing the forest for the trees saying she did not disclose her past
what matters is now
shes a woman
finis

cococandy: @ pickabeau,going by this thread alone,it wasn t indicated that his opponet knew BEFORE the fight.
Unless there's another article explaining that.
Even then,if she knew it before hand,her accepting to fight would be because of the misleading conclusion that a transgender man is a woman through and through.
I guess now she knows better.

If u read the original post you and shirley07 will not be going this line
Let me quote for two of u

She is saying even though she has disclosed below she does not even see the reason
She has always been a woman and will always be

Note this type gender reassignment she did is irrevoicable as she has cut off her deek

After Fox's past was revealed, Championship Fighting Alliance women’s tournament was canceled in support of Fox, who was under a great deal of pressure at the time because he had falsely claimed the California boxing commission had approved her fighting license. Fox says the misunderstanding -- Fox's application was being considered in California -- was accidental.

In an interview with "Inside MMA," Fallon said that "I don’t believe that a transgender fighter should have to disclose her personal medical history to other female fighters before they fight. It’s simply for the reason the medical community and the scientific community have come to the consensus that post-operative transsexual fighters who have been on hormone-replacement therapy and testosterone suppression, when they’re going from male to female, haven’t been found to have any physiological advantages over other women.”

Fox also said that some women who don't want to fight him may choose that path because they "might be a hate-filled person" or "have a bias." He said that "I don't want to fight those people, anyways, because they're scared.” He wants to fight someone who will fight "aggressively."

One fighter who did try to be aggressive was Brents. Her conclusion is that Fox shouldn't fight with women. “Any other job or career I say have a go at it, but when it comes to a combat sport I think it just isn’t fair. At least not until we have more scientific proof that it is or isn’t fair. More research is needed for sure."

crackhaus: Are we in the year 2013? This fight just occurred.

Between March 2013 and now, don't you think the MMA would have banned her from fighting women?
Also, wouldn't the news about her sex-change scandal already be known to all prospective opponents of hers including but not limited to Brents who had her occipital bone messed up?

You dey mind her.. if she did not do that, it is not shirley

TV01: And a stance that is true to conservative instincts mixed with liberal values. Deftly worded.
The problem is that those of us who don;t agree with such - transgender competing, "gay marriage" etc. - will be labelled bigots and forced to endorse and support it.
So for example a baker will have to bake cakes celebrating SSM and a photographer forced to cover "gay weddings". Your position is workable as a "live and let live" proposition, but that is not enough fo rthese lbbies. You have to endorse, if not outright celebrate.
I do like a fit chick sha!
TV

Very deftly worded... you noticed too
I dont care about what people do with their bodies yet concerned if they act out within the parameters of their new body
coco of the all is fair in love fame

I say Amen, Bro
Amen

crackhaus: Oh damn, by my honour I would never suspect this person to be once a man...see fine specimen
But God please never let me come in contact with a sexy fine thing like this who was once a man...I beg you lord in the name of your beloved son

Now your post is clear. The deception is not letting people know she was once a man but that she is fighting in the female MMA category

Well.. i get your points and im sympathethic to it however the fact is that gender and sex have been excised from each other (science?)

You could be a man who is living in a womans body.. who knows

Fallon Fox was born a ma but says she was a always a woman inside
She was able to do gender reassignment
The law allow it.
She wants to fight. she has to fight in the female MMA

Youstill miss d point.. her opponent knew she was once a man..... You get?
Fallon fox is even complaining of discrimation

cococandy: Yes anyone can do what they want with their bodies. Who says I've to be ok with it?
Recognizing that I don't have a say in what anyone wants to do with their body makes it easier for me to deal with seeing such things happen.

I don't consider gender and sex to be different. I only said I recognize that some people do.
For me being born in a male body or female body makes one inherently so.
But I recognize the fact that there's a different school of thought.

I don't have opinions about transgender folks.I don't understand how someone born female will think she's male inside.so I can't have an opinion on something I don't know how it feels.
But I respect their feelings and will regard them the way they want to be regarded.

Only that I'm not gay. So if a man who used to be woman decieves me into a relationship,I'll be mighty pissed. Or woman who used to be man comes to compete with me in a fight,I'll see it as deceptive.

Shirley07: I wonder if you read the article you posted before you post this.
According to that article, MMA didn't know about fox's sex change until 2013, that was after he's been certified.
You can also read where Bent said she doesn't have problem with having to fight transgenders but they have to be those that did their sex change before puberty. She probably didn't know it wasn't the case with Fox.

I did..

Brent knew she was fighting a woman who had once been a man.. the fight was recent
She has been licensed to fight in the female MMA
What u are expressing is Brents opinion

The law is clear

Fallon Fox is a woman whether she did her sex change before or after puberty

interesting facts

among blacks..

51 men per 100 women in the 25 -34 age range..

2 women fighting for 1 man

Its closer but theres still a long way to 7 women fighting over 1 man as per the bible

Put simply, for today’s never-married women, a “good” man is harder to find.

Among never-married adults aged 25 to 34, the number of employed, available men per 100 women has dropped to 91 in 2012, from 139 in 1960. That means if all of 2012’s never-married young women wanted to find a young, employed man who also hadn’t been married, about 9% of them would automatically fail—due to a man shortage. (Of course, these women could find and marry divorced men, or older men.)

Once again, it’s worse for blacks. Among never-married black adults aged 25 to 34, there were 87 employed men for every 100 women back in 1960. In 2012? Just 51.

she is the same person in all d images


Look well

alutacontinua: @pick-a-boo-boo, can I get the phone numbers of any of those chics?

This was your first statement

anybody can do what they want with their bodies. Shikena

You also said u were aware gender and sex are two different things.. or are u backtracking?


What is ur opinion on transgender

cococandy: If her opponent didn't know she was born male and as such not a fair match,then it is deceptive.
It can't be that hard to understand

Who says I'm ok with transgender?
Misinterpret much?

I ask again.. where is the deception you are referring to

You ar free to ascribe any motives to the post - your prerogative

However I find your posts inconsistent

You are ok with transgender but not happy she is fighting as a female?

cococandy: I read the post. You so love to misinform.
No where did it say she knew before the fight that her opponent was born a man.
Even the MMA wasn't aware.

I wonder where your glee is coming from.
That a woman got beat up?
Your topic says it all even.

Morning... Iwas with my mobile earlier and could not get more pics

Behold the transgender warrior known as Fallon Fox

I have to say he/she is attractive...


https://www.gq.com/images/women/2014/fallon-fox/fallon-fox-gq-magazine-january-2014-mma-01.jpg

https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0306/mma_e_fox11_600.jpg

https://outlookcolumbus.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/fallon-fox.jpg


[img]http://4.bp..com/-Nn18R7JCjCs/UUzAMdCsONI/AAAAAAAADWw/FOiBFAYKJiQ/s1600/Fallon+Fox.jpg[/img]

TV01: Morning Pickabeau....errr which of the [s]two men in the picture used to be a woman[/s]? Sorry two women used to be a man !

I have confuse!


TV

crackhaus: What law are you referring to exactly?

That sport is recognized by 'law', the 'woman' you deliberately referred to as 'man' has already been granted permission to fight as a 'woman' by the same law.

So what harm was done that isn't usual for a sport like that between two people certified as equal competitors by whatever board is in charge?

exactly i dont get her grouse.. she is ok with transgender but is not ok with them fighting in whichever category they choose to based on their current gender

cococandy: Willingly because the woman may not have known her competitor used to be a man.
If she knew,would she have continued?
I doubt that.
That's why her willingness is not a guarantee here.

Did you read the post at all

She knew he was once a man... so whats your point

cococandy: Yes. Gender a thing of the mind. Sex a thing of the body.
Be that as it may,
For someone who was born in 'the wrong body' for want of a better word,if they chose to have a sex change,wouldn't it be fair to at least inform those who'll be dealing with them in specific areas such as marriage or sports that they used to belong to a different sex?

Take that man that married a fellow man for example. For 21yrs he lived with another man while thinking he was female.

In his words 'I feel I've been molested all my life'
Of course the court moved to dissolve the marriage.

While no one should stand in their way when they want to change their sex,they shouldn't decieve others

This is pure deception.

I dont get your particular point on where the deception is

Are u saying that the fact she/he did not inform the MMA he was once a man is the deception

OR

The fact that he was once a man is the deception

tayoccu: again with the politician's answer, I just want you to cite an example of a perfect story, enlighten me, so my sense of perception can improve.

It is improved already

rapmike: Its not a match dude.

Whatever dude ....

cococandy: Does the hormone replacement therapy affect the natural bone density of men?

I just see folks who are so eager to pass of the whole trangender thing as extremely successful.
But truth is that it isn't.
Down to his very core,a man will always be a man.

Are u aware that gender is being perceived as different from sex in the West
One can be female inside but was born in a man;s body..

tayoccu: my man this isn't a competition, so you can't escape with that line.
please enlighten us

How can I dare to say a jot on the sublime genius that is kishi

I willingly submit to the infinite kishiyomi

RoyalRoy: Hahaha

Discovered Mizmycoli someday on the same thread and I couldn't help but wonder how come we are using same font.

Two like minds I guess.!!!

Lol.....Na was for both una font...

For short posts its OK.. When its gets long...my eyes scream for mercy

Gender reassignment is the solution!

Opponents of a man albeit transgender beating women are beinj called intolerant

Opinions......

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/transgender-female-boxer-gives-female-opponent-concussion-breaks-her-eye-so

[size=18pt]Transgender mixed martial arts (MMA) competitor Fallon Fox is facing new criticisms after breaking the eye socket of his last opponent.
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On Saturday, Fox defeated Tamikka Brents by TKO at 2:17 of the first round of their match. In addition to the damaged orbital bone that required seven staples, Brents received a concussion. In a post-fight interview this week, she told Whoa TV that "I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life."

“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because [he] was born a man or not, because I’m not a doctor,” she stated. “I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life, and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. ”

His “grip was different,” she added. “I could usually move around in the clinch against...females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch.”

Fox's gender controversy is not new. In March 2013, after a 39-second knockout victory, it was revealed that Fox had not told the MMA community about his sex-change operation, which took place in 2006. That bout was the fifth straight first-round victory for the then-37-year old Fox, including his three amateur bouts, and his second victory as a professional fighter.

A video of the Brents fight taken by a ringside fan shows Fox throwing several powerful knees to the face and torso of Brents at the start of the match, who pulled guard to protect herself. Soon, Brents turned her back to avoid damage, where she took approximately 45 seconds of elbow and fist strikes – many blocked by her hands and arms – before the referee stopped the fight.

Critics of Fox abound, especially in light of the Brents fight. Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) female champ Ronda Rousey told TMZ that while she would fight Fox, allowing transgender men to fight is "a case-by-case scenario."

"I feel like, if you already go through puberty as a man, that's something you can't really reverse," said Rousey, who said that it "would be fine" if a boy who was on hormone therapy to become a woman prior to puberty wanted to fight as a woman.

Because Fox had transgender surgery so late in life, however, Rousey said that he shouldn't fight women.


Likewise, last year, UFC announcer Joe Rogan made his opinion unambiguously and graphically clear, saying on his podcast that a transgendered man would "have all the bone structure that comes with” being a man. “You have bigger hands, you have bigger shoulder joints."

Speaking to LifeSiteNews, military veteran Jeff Nader, who has fought for UFC competitor Bellator, said that “Fallon Fox has had the benefits of being a man for most of his life. [He has] bone density, muscle mass, and other physical benefits that one gets from being a man. You can't have that, and then make a minor adjustment -- basically, a cosmetic adjustment -- and suddenly claim to be a woman."

"Nothing can take away from the fact that you are physically a man. Mentally and emotionally, who knows -- but physically, he's a man."

Nader said that Fox's loss to a woman earlier this year "doesn't matter." He told LifeSiteNews that "I am 220 pounds right now, and there are some women who would beat me in a grappling match because they have better technique. But that's in grappling, which doesn't involve striking. My wife has beaten several men in regulated grappling matches, but when you involve striking, that changes the equation. The physicality involved in MMA, including brute strength, changes the equation."

Combat sambo practitioner and former amateur boxer Brian Ledoux was likewise critical of Fox's decision to compete, saying that "I do not think a transgender male should be able to fight in female sports. I consider myself to be socially liberal on most subjects, but not when it comes to this scenario."

"In my opinion, when it comes to something like combat sports there is a clear physical advantage a transgender male could have over a female fighter. This is coming from my basic understanding of the physiological difference between the sexes,” Ledoux said. “These advantages create a uneven playing field in a sport that is already dealing with things like PED abuse, blood doping, etc."

"While I respect an individual’s rights to live their own life," Ledoux told LifeSiteNews, "I think in the case of MMA and combat sports a clear line should be drawn."

Fox has received support from some quarters, including from the first openly homosexual UFC fighter, Liz Carmouche. After Fox's surgery became public, Carmouche told the homosexual advocacy site GLAAD that "the MMA community – people who work in the gyms, the trainers and sparring partners and the fans – all openly embraced me as an athlete and I’m proud to see that also happening with a transgender athlete."

Carmouche said, “If a world-regarded respected body like the Nevada Athletic Commission licenses her as a female competitor, and says she has no performance advantage, then that should be good enough for everyone."

After Fox's past was revealed, Championship Fighting Alliance women’s tournament was canceled in support of Fox, who was under a great deal of pressure at the time because he had falsely claimed the California boxing commission had approved her fighting license. Fox says the misunderstanding -- Fox's application was being considered in California -- was accidental.

In an interview with "Inside MMA," Fallon said that "I don’t believe that a transgender fighter should have to disclose her personal medical history to other female fighters before they fight. It’s simply for the reason the medical community and the scientific community have come to the consensus that post-operative transsexual fighters who have been on hormone-replacement therapy and testosterone suppression, when they’re going from male to female, haven’t been found to have any physiological advantages over other women.”

Fox also said that some women who don't want to fight him may choose that path because they "might be a hate-filled person" or "have a bias." He said that "I don't want to fight those people, anyways, because they're scared.” He wants to fight someone who will fight "aggressively."

One fighter who did try to be aggressive was Brents. Her conclusion is that Fox shouldn't fight with women. “Any other job or career I say have a go at it, but when it comes to a combat sport I think it just isn’t fair. At least not until we have more scientific proof that it is or isn’t fair. More research is needed for sure."

https://lifesite-cache.s3.amazonaws.com/images/made/images/news/FallonFox-250px_250_205_55.jpg

RoyalRoy: These names must sure be a deliberate attempt to reincarnate the aforementioned.

Cain? Lollz.

... Children of the corn


You too have started writing similarly to mizmycoli...


Who copied whom??

Delilah


Jezebel


Herod


Cain

tayoccu: bro I asked you to give an example of a perfect story, yet you choose to write this epistle.
picka for once surprise me answer a question without trying to dribble like a Nigerian politician.

OK...you win

.

rapmike: What are you trying to prove here? Was he lost in Obito's dimension or Kaguya's dimension? Did you key into the fact that Obito was exhausted with the way he had used his chakra to travel through different time phases and could hold it for a very short time? That only the likes of Minato with instantaneous time jumps could make such jump? What does Sasuke's rinnegan abilities( which deals more with proximity of an object than speed) have to do with jumping through dimensions?

OK...you also win...

it is because of u that i stepped out of my couch
Im in couch mode

No comment

soonest: That was in Zebrudaya's voice.
The thread has started turning religious as you predicted

soonest: Pickabeau come o! Are u seeing wot am saw?

wat is u saw

Donfamous: u were almost disappointed abi?

No.. he wants to avoid the inevitable onslaught and condemnation quickly

Divepen: yes ooo

lol

Divepen: This case is one that happens many times.
We cannot always fight attraction but we can fight what we do.
Our feelings will always work like they should but our reaction matters.
A man is not a thief by thinking to steal, he becomes a thief when he allow the urge to steal overcome him...
If you have someone that has fallen in love with a married person, what would you do..
Family have broken, People have died because of this.
I am not involve, I just seek your opinion, what would you do, if it happens to you or what would you advice someone it has happened to?
#Please be careful of your reply, the world is reading it and they will read it...

....fear

kimco: are u serious ryt nw? Why den am I even debating dis if u don't know dat oro fell twice to genjutsu, one to itachi and the other to sasuke?

You are wrong

Orochi orchestrated the loss to itachi so that he could leave akatsuki and start his obsession with sasuke
He also lost to sasuke so he could set in motion his resurrection via zetsu after seeing kabuto use the snake eye cover to defend against itachi's genjutsu

He knew all.. it was all a plan..

Just like kishi

Kishimoto - He who must not be criticized -_-

the usual cr vs messi debate

Messi with the league and copa d rey should have won it last year but somehow they contrived to give it to ronnie

Who will win it this year since titles dont count or do they