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olabowale:
@Pilgrim.1:
And you haven't read the story of the women in my life; my mum and my wife, both who used to be christians. My mother is old and my wife is still in early 30s. nd i am restful. And I am not shouting. I think you are talking about another man, and not me.

olabowale:
Finally, I do enjoy good conversations. You call them antagonizing because we speak the truth about Jesus. Thats a mislabelling.

olabowale:
1). When you were a muslim, was "Allah," an idol to you and would you say that you were an idolator, at that time? And please explain yourself.

olabowale:
Wa shi bami soro. Boko rokun, korosa, apada bo seti ebute.

huxley:
Of course, as a public intellectual I would expect Dawkins to not only draw from science, but also from other areas of human endeavours, viz - philosophy, history, archeology, etc.

huxley:
I have not read any other atheist who disagree majorly with his argument, althought a lot disagree with his style. And he is very MUCH aware of that. He even says he does not know how to play the political game because his style is very direct and up-to-your face.

huxley:
I am really interested in his argument and I will make and choose my own style.

olabowale:
But you are not even trying to answer my questions. Are you skipping a step or so? I don't know o, Pilgrim!

Chrisbenogor:
@pilgrim vs huxley
Here is what I think about what you guys have been going back and forth about, let me start from the atheist point of view which is the issue of dawkins, I really do not know much about him but its obvious that he did not represent "atheism" well. Being a prominent atheist I will say most people can just say atheist do not know what they are doing same goes for religious heads, if they too make these mistakes regardless the reverberations would be felt in their religions, just imagine if Billy Graham was found to be a rapist and child molester it would affect a lot of people.

huxley:
To use someone's factual or philosophical arguments commits them to their discipleship? Is this the level at which you think? Arguments stand own their own, not by virtue or who makes them.

huxley:
Few of Dawkins' arguments are new. In fact, there is nothing he has said about religion that has not been said by people before him. He simply presents it in a different light and in light of current scientific/philosophical/sociological thinking.

huxley:
Why don't you make it easy on yourself(ves). Do not give your critics the opportunity of misrepresenting you.

huxley:
Is that too much to ask? Let us know what and why you believe what you believe.

huxley:
If it stands to reason we might come to your side. If not expect "ridicule", but from me I shall be gracious.

huxley:
Don't say you were never warned.

huxley:
Thanks for all your reply.  But get it straight, unlike your disposition to argue from authority,  I don't wish to take that approach.  I am no disciple of anyone, not least Dawkins.

huxley:
I and asking for evidence that your beliefs are based on reason.  But I never get any.  This is what is most frustrating about your ilk.  You have not given me any reason to think you are not guided and driven by faith rather than reason.

olabowale:
[s]@pilgrim.1 (f): « #245 on: Yesterday at 04:23:10 PM »
I woo, pilgrim. You know you could do better. Have you noticed that Jesus son of Mary was not a Christian. Further was not not the founder of Christianity! Stop it. Jesus son of Mary (AS), was a prophet of Allah! His mission was not about a new religion and Moses did not have a new religion from the religion of Ibrahim!

Now read the Qur'an: Here are your assignments and you deserve it; I will start with a single verse from Surah Baqarah and we can progress from there. There is no argument here. At least you will see that Judaism was not a religion of any of the prophets. It it were there would not any reason for Jesus or earlier prophets, like Zakariah and his son Yahya to come to warn or correct the children of Israel. And a proof of this very statement, is that Islam is the religion that God prescribes to mankind!

And when it is perfected and completed on Muhammad (AS), the Lord of all things, Allah the Almighty declares in Surah Ahzab that Muhammad was the last of the Prophets and the Seal of Messengership! There been any other "Prophet," from God the Almighty Allah after Muhammad (AS), to declare so boldly that he is a messenger to all? And check any tafsir that you want, since i know that you are smart and very resourceful. I recommend tafsir ibn kathir, if you want my recommendation;

Surah Baqarah; Verse 136, Allah declares that Jesus and the other prophets are all Muslims! He the Almighty started with a prophet whose time was before the word "Jew," or "Judaism," Ibrahim and go through the list of prophets and ended it all all with Jesus, who every one of you will agree that he did not Judaism, since you "formulated," a religion by borrowing his name for it! Let me know your findings, because i will take you on a journey of a lifetime, through surah Imran, Nisaa, Maida, and many others with a merciful ending at Surah Saff where Jesus declared his two missions to his people; the nations of the children of Israel[/s]!

huxley:
This is a very bad way to argue or debate. I and many atheist have been asking the Christians to define what Christianity is. But there fail to do so

huxley:
I could mention all the frauds amongst the Christian leaders from the Ted Haggard, Jim Swaggart, Oral Robertson, Popov, Bakers, etc, etc. Does that speak for Christianity?

huxley:
Dawkins does not constitue atheism or make any claim to a moral high ground, as far as I know. Unlike the faith-head who are in the habit of claiming moral superiority.

huxley:
Why am I not surprised? Why arguments fail you, you resort to condescension and insults.

lelele:
@pilgim1
hello bin wantin 2 chat with u. yr numba isnt goin 2ru. buzz me when u ar less busy.

Ahhhhh!! I am so sorry! Look at me playing here when I have very important issues to attend to! Don't mind me - I just iggy-ed those gentlemen filling my screen with insults on YIM and decided to come here. Hmm, I'll go back on just now. Sorry I kept you waiting! Awww. , here's a warm hug for all that wait!!

The problem with atheists and their ilk is the fact that they practice exactly what they accuse theists especially Christians of - hypocrisy, insult hurling, disrepect, and the most important of all - bigotry.

Wordsmith:
@ topic,

i had decided a while to stay away from debates and all, but i couldn't help but express my disgust at the term "faith-heads". I find it offensive, derogatory and insultive. Like believers don't reason simply because of their faith. The problem with atheists and their ilk is the fact that they practice exactly what they accuse theists especially Christians of - hypocrisy, insult hurling, disrepect, and the most important of all - bigotry.


Perhaps, if i referred to an atheist as a morally bankrupt slowpoke or a fool as the Bible aptly put it, you would see the same goons climaxing with insults. . . arrant nonsense.



. . . And yes, i'm annoyed

https://d.yimg.com/i/ng/ne/itn/20081001/11/3444362674-struggling-dad-hands-large-cash-find.jpg?

An unemployed German man found an envelope containing 16,000 euros (£12,700) in cash and jewellery on a road - and handed it to police.

The 56-year-old father of a disabled son, whose family relies on 600 euros (£476) of state benefits per month, spotted the package while cycling along a busy road near Ermstedt in the eastern state of Thuringia.

Thomas Liedtke, a builder, was quoted as saying: "The money would have been like a gift from heaven for me.

"It would have come in handy for the heating bill. But my conscience got the better of me. It was a hard decision to go to the police."

A police spokesman said the origins of the money are not known.

He said no one had reported missing the wad of rolled-up of 500 euro notes and jewellery, which included a ring, medallion, necklaces and ear rings.

huxley:
Well, the least you can say then is that Jesus was a man of contradiction , erhm.

huxley:
Generally, the numbers do not count as arguments. What is more revealing are the arguments given for crossing the line in favour of a new position.

Chrisbenogor:
How body, hmmm I notice a serious activity drop from you is there something going on?

huxley:
I thought Jesus said, "Whenever two or more people are gather in my name, I am amongst them". So why would one not find Jesus in one church when he is supposed to be in all churches?

Emma4u2c:
Just in case you don't know this going to a place of worship all the days of your life from birth does not make anyone a christian. So there is really no point jioning issues with whoever the author is

huxley:
You are right - naturalist tend to find natural explanations for things. Anything that can be explained naturally then is treated as natural. Thus things happening in our subconscious are natural, though we may not yet understand them. That is why I was a bit cautious in my comment;

Very good question. By and large, your dreams tend to be centred around things that occupy your wakeful moments - your job, your health, your family & friends, your existential thoughts (gods, satan, football, ambitions, etc), etc, etc.