₦airaland Forum

olabowale:
Cain killed his brother and only in the Qur'an is the process of how he learnt to bury his body was provided.

What process was described in the Quran that he had to "learn" before he buried his brother?

@Chrisbenogor,

Chrisbenogor:
The pyramid of giza was built within a time frame of 20 years, thats a lot! Noah had a miserly 7 days!

That's interesting. But how did you arrive at the miserly 7 days?

Perhaps because it's the natural disposition of man to spoil for a fight - good or bad?

@mazaje,

Thank you for your understanding. In addition to the point I was trying to make, I have seen instances where prayer actually helped in restoring the health of critically wounded people. Admittedly, I don't understand why it doesn't "work" for everyone who prays; but I'm confident that real cases have been recorded where healings took place following the prayers of people.

Many people quickly come to the conclusion that prayer "doesn't work", and the reasons are best known to them. It would be irrational indeed for me to argue against them especially because I don't know why they came to that conclusion. As well, it would be irrational for anyone to just come to the conclusion that prayer doesn't work or yield any results. Why? Because they do not know of every single case about prayers and praying people.

So, why is it that some prayers have not yielded results or been answered? I don't know exactly why, and I would not risk pretending that I know. However, I know one thing for a fact - prayer is dynamic and one cannot expect the same cloned response to follow every instance of prayer. The arguments that some people put forward sometimes sound really childish; because often is the case that they assume prayer to be something akin to automatons! That is so far from reality.

Prayer actually works. I have enjoyed praying - not only for my needs, but also for the needs of others - and yes, I have seen answers to most of my prayers. Every single instance? No. But the point is that prayer actually does "work".

Hi again Chrisbenogor,

Chrisbenogor:
I think life would be a lot easier on nairaland if personal attacks are reduced, I could not help but laugh at the way you explained though, talk about an iron fist in a velvet glove, you have a good command of english I like that.

Well, I'm sorry if my reposte sounded a bit tough there, and I'm not making excuses. There's a time when people just have to say the obvious, afterall we're not kids on the Forum and the whole repetition ad hominem is out of touch with mature scholarship.

Anyhow. . .

Chrisbenogor:
That said can you weigh in your thoughts on the whole contraception, "oral tradition" thingy?

Lol. . . I was actually waiting for a few more pages to develop on that subject before I weighed in on it. For now, suffice to say that there is a legitimate basis for oral commuincation in establishing a worldview, but this also has its problems.

As far as the Biblical texts are concerned, there is a divide between what constitutes 'scripture' and what is outside its purview. The former (scripture) comes across to me as the body of established faith - this is our point of reference in matters concerning what defines the Biblical faith. On the other hand, the latter are open to any group identity to which such a tradition is most cherished.

If the question basically is whether there is a genuine basis for 'oral tradition' at any level to be introduced as necessary to Scripture, then we enter upon very serious grounds for discussions. Every one has his or her reasons for or against oral tradition; but at the heart of this would be a need to understand what exactly we mean by such a term.

Chrisbenogor:
I am beginning to feel as though I am paranoid.

You don't sound that way at all to me - which is why i've continued to enjoy our discourses so far.

Lol. . . let him share - it's all good.

mazaje:
i can save a bleeding person by applying first aid on the person. . . .  rationalism has helped those in need by showing them that they need to apply first aid to a bleeding person instead of praying for him. . . .

That's all well and good. But first is not all there is to the "rational" idea of healing a person. There are some incidents that involve serious bleeding - and we know that first aid simply won't do the job. How have you helped such cases?

TV01:
Hailing in return Sis'Pilly - TV chances a quick "Holy Kiss"

Here's a well-deserved and huge one. . . [size=14pt]mwuuuaaahh![/size] I sooooo missed you and several others who have taught me a lesson or two that have been very helpful in my walk. God bless you plenty!

TV01:
- How far?
Good to hear from you. I'm just wrapping up from a retreat, home soon. Peace.

So what's up? How's your journey? Was that what kept you away, or more mundane stuff?

Well, d tory plenty, but I'm happy to be alive and well. . . much blessed by the many prayers on my behalf.

manmustwac:
why? because the first two are practical problems while the third one depending on the situation could be spiritual' sickness, cancer, exam results etc

But is it even rational that you must shout at a child? Even when you engage in a shouting match with some kids these days, you're wasting your time.

Amen. . . and amen.

mazaje:
why is he a fool? is it because he disagrees which your faith?

No, that's not the point. While I'm not doing the name-calling spin, we all know it is utterly foolish for someone to keep peddling such vast ignorance and allege things he neither has read nor substantiated in the same texts he's arguing. That attitude does not exhibit wisdom.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=168700.msg2782351#msg2782351 date=1221073063]pilgrim 1. Why are you wasting your time with Olabowale. He is a master deceiver, and I know this first hand. I ignore him, because silence is the best answer for a fool.[/quote]Lol. . . ~Lady~,

The apprentice deceivers do not do half as much as their master. However, while it may be ideal sometimes to ignore such folks (apart from their "attention seekers" syndrome), gently reiterating the Gospel truth to them will help them get to their fatigue faster!

mazaje:
has paryer ever saved some one that is bleeding to death?

How have you been able to save such a person? It is easy to sit on the fence and query just about everything. No worries, but how have "rationalism" help those who are desperately in need?

olabowale:
Immanuel, not God!

God, not Jesus.

Human, prayerful, needy!

Who is grandfather?

Not Bread Giver!

word, not God!

Incoherence, unproveable, conjecture!

Builder is Allah!

Life King, not!

Only God's Glorified!

Human. Not God!

Islam eliminates Mediation!

Against Trinity Idolators!

Worshipped One God!

Believed One God!

War of words. . .

doesn't give life!

Jesus is Christ. . .

Is Muhammad "Christ"?


War of words. . .

doesn't bless you!

"Re: What Pastors Won’t Tell You About Tithes"


Again?

_{Thought there's already a thread on this?}

Myself2:
No mate you're wrong,Barack is not the anti-christ,it's a certain Yornandrew whose name if broken into 3 parts adds up to 666 by applying the decimal yakety yak of numbers
Yorn means 'High'=222,And means "On"=111 and Rew means"Drugs"=333
So 222 + 111 + 333 =666 check this website
http://www.stayoffdrugs.com/the_number_of_his_name_is_666

Classic drama!



_{*counting the letters in "classic drama". . . perhaps they add to 666!}

But any rational human being would know how not to quote issues out of context. Could we understand how you came across 10 million species?

TV01:
Present sir and thank you for enquiring .

@TV01,

I saw your icon flashing light, so I say make I hail you! How body? Trust you're doing okay. Grace to you.

anonimi:
So the time has come for all Nigerians to recognise this: That religion has served us badly.

That is because you haven't been rational in thinking things through.

anonimi:
That irrationalism has caused so much darkness, misery and stagnation.

True, because most people who cry out for "reason" turn out to be the most unreasonable in their outlook.

anonimi:
The time has come for all Nigerians to move to the next level - the Age of Reason. The time has come for all Nigerians to embrace the rational light and realise a civilisation with a global dimension.

This is the same ideology that led men like Hitler to promote the "global dimension" of the Germans as the superior race above others. The result?

manmustwac:
There is no scientific evidence to prove that prayer actually works.

Maybe. However, that doesn't mean you understand science.

No worries though. . .



uncivility isn't class.

@huxley, you don't believe in prayer, that's fine. Did you have to show such utter insensitivity because of your ideology?

Faithful and True
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Holy and True
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The Faithful Witness
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The One Mediator
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Great High Priest
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Hope of Glory
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Prince of life
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Chief Corner Stone
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Resurrection and Life
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Word of God
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