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alexis: I didn't want to drag this one. I totally understand you. I have asked skak a question about the sun setting and I have several questions about the violence perpetuated in name of Islam. I want to engage in an honest dialog with our Muslims friends.

I see, but the guy will believe He has proved something ...hahaha. Anyway, courage in your dialog ... Am still following up.

[b](1) Muslims are to murder Jews.

Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176: Narrated by 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'" Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177: Narrated by Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."



(2) Muslims are to murder non-Muslims.

Qur'an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.



(3) Muslims are to murder people who left Islam.

Qur'an 4:089: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.


(4) Muslims are to murder people they did not trust.

Qur'an 4:091: You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.



(5) Muslims are to murder people they thought to be idolaters.

Qur'an 9:005: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.



(6) Muslims are to murder people if they thought it was a just cause.

Qur'an 17:033: And do not kill any one whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause, and whoever is slain unjustly, We have indeed given to his heir authority, so let him not exceed the just limits in slaying; surely he is aided.



I would rather a prophet preaching peace to Mankind; that other people are to be looked upon with compassion - and with the two greatest commandment (Mark 12: 30 -31)

(a) LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART
(b) LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF

And it is shown your neighbour is ANYBODY around you, pagan or not.

In contrast Jesus said "For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, " (JOHN 3: 16) and again it is writen "While WE WERE YET SINNERS CHRIST DIED FOR US, (Romans 5:

Quran says in Surah 2:190: For Allah loves not Transgressors. Why Should I submit to a God that hates me? I would rather a God that loves me and wants me to turn from sin and has taken the necessary steps for that to be possible

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mdsocks: bro...I thought she was different ,I didn't read the article from. start. Just picked it from the tail end. I have dealt with her type in here before,so Am Just gonna go in to ignore. mode.

I no do you anything na? i only presented your prophets notes and you could't do nothing.
The thread threats seems to trace the root of the frequent violence of the islamist, precisely the most recent one in Mali.
And all the Quranic verses shows Muhammed had done thesame thing in the past, forced people to accept Islam or kill them.
So what is there? I did no't write the quran....

tintingz: plappville...you are funny o

you want me to start quoting jehovah horror in the bible

Dont tell me you have never sin with your right hand before ...

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. (Matthew 5:30)

or are you going against Jesus teaching?

No sir i am not, If the nature of my job for example will course me to sin against God, i will give it up.
If my mom or brother will be an obstacle to my Faith, i will stay far from them.

The person you are accusing with this verse, is the same that healed the ear of a Pharisees soldier that came to arrest Him. How does this sound to you??
I have asked you before, if you believed that Jesus sinned, then you are by urself accusing ur Quran..hahaha!

Luke 22:51 But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him.

Jesus said plainly said it here:
Matthew 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

He did not teach violence like Muhammed, so true Christians are against violence.

mdsocks: I don't need to argue with you...you don't wanna learn so there's no need to stress myself... the poster above gave a Bible verse with same inclination but I guess you will say it's old testerment ...

There is nothing to learn from a book that promotes voilence and hate, keep it for you.

Mali crisis: timeline
Below is a snapshot of key events in the West African state of Mali, after France intervened militarily in its former colony to take on armed Islamist groups occupying the north of the country:

Update on mali:

- January 14:

Islamists seize the town of Diabaly in government-held territory, 250 miles north of the capital. They vow to "strike at the heart of France".
- French warplanes pound Islamist positions in the town of Douentza in central Mali.
- Rebels abandon key northern bases under pressure from French airstrikes. Residents in the towns of Gao, Douentza and Timbuktu report all Islamists have fled, though an Ansar Dine spokesman calls it a "tactical retreat".
- Ethnic-Tuareg separatists say they are ready to support the French military intervention by taking on Islamist rebels on the ground.
- NATO says it supports French efforts but that the alliance has received no request for assistance.
- Nigerian troops will arrive in Mali "before next week", announces President Goodluck Jonathan.
Source: AFP http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/mali/9801760/Mali-crisis-timeline.html

tintingz: plappville...you are funny o

you want me to start quoting jehovah horror in the bible

Dont tell me you have never sin with your right hand before ...

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. (Matthew 5:30)

or are you going against Jesus teaching?

The errors that You used to validate you prophet? If not for the bible, would you be here ranting?There was no witnesses in Mohammed encounter with the true God of Israel. He only was allah, and says what he hears from allah the sun god...with three daughters. .. (al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat)

The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah's shrine was located.
As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah's three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God.
Such "after the fact corrective revelations" are very common with cults. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons also received an "after the fact corrective revelation" from God retracted the previous "divine command" allowing polygamy.
The historical information confirming the "Satanic verses" is so vast and sure, only the desperate blind would deny the evidence. Undeniably factual information regarding the Satanic verses comes from respected Muslim scholars like at-Tabari and Ibn Sa'd who wrote biographical and historical accounts of the life of Muhammad.
Yet some Muslims actually reject the whole "daughter-gate" story as untrue. These are an extremist minority, you know, the ones who don't believe youth should be taught history or science, but spend 8 hours a day memorizing the Koran. Yet many Muslims are trained to habitually disregard factual world history when it conflicts with the Koran. Take the fact of Christ's crucifixion. Even the Jews agree he was crucified, but the Koran says it was a case of mistaken identity. So Muslims reject the universal record of history and the Bible, but believe the Koran is true. Amazingly, some Islamic apologists actually deny "daughter-gate" ever happened. Yet their only argument is, "The Koran says it cannot be tampered with and that Satan cannot interfere with the revelation process." So, these extremists must either admit that the final prophet revealed a Koranic passage whose origin was Satan, or simply rewrite their own history and deny the whole "daughter-gate" scandal itself.

skak: Blinded fellow! Anyway, this is your own problem dude. Not only Jesus, if you like call your papa God it doesn't concern me.

As for Hitler, nothing will change his religious status (nor your silly lies) becouse records had been documented. So hang yourself for shame.

Daniel 7:10 A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

Hitler is not the center of Christianity, He will be judge like me and you. God is not a respecter of any man. Be it Hitler or Obama or Muhammed, Or Joseph Smith or Buddha etc etc ALL will stand to be judge.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.

Anyone who have/did not practice JESUS the CHRIST teachings will be judged, do you get that?

tintingz: When Jesus was called "Jesus the son of David" for instance, the Jews didn't mean to call Jesus the actual biological son of David. Similarily, when they called Mary"O sister of Aaron", they meant to call her sister of Aaron in faith!. Not the actual biological sister of Aaron

They didn't call her sister of Aaron, they are not mad, Muhammed mistook Aaron sister for Mary the mother of Jesus. The Jews do not have such in the Torah.
The Korah will always have lie to defend contradictions.

And mind you, Jesus is in blood lind of David. Prophets of the Old told this, stop twisting a thing you do not understand.

( Isaiah 9:6-7 )6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.

This is an obvious prophecy of the Messiah and one which foretells that Christ will reign on David's throne.
We all know of a fact that to reign on the throne of a king one must be a blood descendant.

"...regarding his son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David..." ( Romans 1:3 )

Do you still disregard Prophet Isaiah? because nothing in the Bible make sense to Muslims except fot few verses they misinterpreted to suit thier greeds in validating Muhammed.

alexis: I think you answered it. Thanks

He did not answer a thing, the fault is grave, none can defend it.

tintingz: it seems you guys dont wanna knowledge yourselvs bout Islam and Quran...

Noble Verse 19:27-28 "At length she brought The (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: 'O Mary ! Truly an amazingthing Hast thou brought ! O sister of Aaron ! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!'"

Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said regarding this Noble Verse:
Mughira b. Shu'ba reported:
"When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun (Aaron)" (i. e. Mary) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after thenames of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326) "

As we clearly see from the Saying (Hadith) of our beloved Prophet, this issue was brought to him before and he clearly responded to it. The false claim made against our Prophet about him meaning that Mary was a biological sister of Aaron is clearlyrefuted.
The People of Isreal used to call people by either their last names, or by adding words such as you"Son of..." or "Brother of...." or"Sister of...." When they called people "O Son of...." they didn't mean for that person to be the actual biological son of the person whom they used his name. The other person could be a simply in the family tree or alast name

When Jesus was called "Jesus the son of David" for instance, the Jews didn't mean to call Jesus the actual biological son of David. Similarily, when they called Mary"O sister of Aaron", they meant to call her sister of Aaron in faith!. Not the actual biological sister of Aaron

You have not done anything, infact you cant refute this, Its a grave mistake as usual from Your Prohet. What about the Satanic verse that has been removed from the quran? you people want to be exposed, it will cost me time, but i can expose Islam here. Thanks to Internet, all those our Hausa people wen no even sabi read those days just embrace Islam out of fear, without knowing what is in the book. They are deep inside now that nothing make sense to them, just like you. Well, I have got a this for you:

[b]I am aware what Muslims claim to be a solution to this problem. Yusuf Ali for example writes in his footnote 2481 commenting on the above verse: "Aaron the brother of Moses was the first in the line of Israelite priesthood. Mary and her cousin Elisabeth (mother of Yahya) came from a priestly family, and were therefore, 'sisters of Aaron' or daughter of `Imran (who was Aaron's father)."

This is faulty reasoning. Only Aaron became a Priest of the Lord and in fact the first High Priest. And only Aaron's descendents became priests. Neither Moses nor their sister Miriam are ever understood to be in "priestly lineage." Amram is definitely not a priest. If Mary's lineage of being part of a priestly family should be stressed then necessarily she would have to be called a daughter of Aaron, since all of Israel's priests are descendants of Aaron, while his brother and sister are not counted among the priestly line.

I do agree that "father", "daughter" and "sister" might be used sometimes rather losely and only indicate a "general family relationship." Therefore we have to carefully read in each mentioning to see what is meant. And the Qur'an makes clear that the narrow, physical meaning of daughter and (hence) sister is meant in this case as I will demonstrate below. Even if there were no concern about the issue of "priestly" but only such a wider family relationship was in view, why does the Qur'an not say "daughter of Aaron" who is her most famous forefather? Even though "sister" might be used in a wider meaning than a sister within the same immediate family, isn't it the use even in Islam that "brothers and sisters" live on roughly the same generational level (like cousins) while "father and daughter" signifies a generational difference between the two persons compared? Why are the wives of Muhammad not called the "sisters of the believers" but "the mothers of the believers"? [Today's believers! - Aisha certainly was not called the mother of 'Uthman, Umar, Abu Bakr and the other believers of Muhammad's life time.] For what reason call her sister of the famous Aaron (being 1400 years older than Mary) but daughter of `Imran (Bible: Amram) of whom we know nothing at all apart from the fact that his name is mentioned in the genealogical tables in Exodus 6 and 1 Chronicles 23? This is perfectly clear if the two Miriams were indeed confused. But the attempts of harmonization don't really sound very logical.

The above points are just some "minor questions". The big problem is that the Qur'an is explicitely not talking about wider clan relationships as we see in the following verse.

Behold! wife of `Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service ... When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!" ... "... I have named her Mary ..."
-- Sura 3:35-36Muslims are usually very particular about whose wife a woman is and it is definitely not allowed that just anybody can have sex with a woman only because he is a "wider relative of hers." If Mary is the female child that came out of the womb of the wife of `Imran, then she is the direct daughter of `Imran and there is no question that the theory of "far descendency" is contradicted by the Qur'an itself.

Yusuf Ali in his footnote 375 to Sura 3:35 even goes so far to invent (?) a second `Imran by claiming that "by tradition Mary's mother was called Hannah ... and her father was called `Imran," in order to somehow save the Qur'an from this contradiction. But the same tradition that calls Mary's mother Hanna, also gives the name of her husband as Joachim. Why would Y. Ali accept one part of this tradition (e.g. in the Proto-Evangelion of James the Lesser) and reject the other? Yusuf Ali does not give any reference for this "tradition" he refers to. Until I see any reference to that, there is no reason to accept this theory. As to my current knowledge there is no such tradition that predates Muhammad. Some Muslim commentators might have made something up later to explain this very problem, but such a late theory / "tradition" is not very credible.

And a last question: Is there any other instance in the Qur'an where a person is consistently called daughter [son] or sister [brother] of people which are only wider relatives? Even if there was to be one name in the clan so overpowering that everybody is named in his or her relationship to that one person, it is doubly improbable that anybody would be named always after two distant relatives in the place of "father" and "brother", and never be mentioned in relationship to his or her real parents' or brothers' names. If this is the only instant then the Muslim explanation is even more strained since ad hoc explanations, i.e. explanations which serve no other purpose than to explain away this one problem but are not used anywhere else are not very credible. It does appear to be such an artificial reasoning in this case. And the fact that Aaron is indeed `Imran's son and this is a direct and correct genealogical relationship, also indicates that the rest is understood as daughter and sister in the normal everyday sense.

Thomas Patrick Hughes in his "Dictionary of Islam", page 328, writes on this issue that "it is certainly a cause of some perplexity to the commentators. Al-Baidawi says she was called `sister of Aaron' because she was of Levitical race; but Husain says that the Aaron mentioned in the verse is not the same person as the brother of Moses."

As always, conflicting explanations are evidence that there is indeed a problem and no one clear and satisfactory solution is available.

Note: Moses and Aaron are called "Musa ibn `Imran" and "Harun ibn `Imran" in the Hadiths, just the same way as Mary is called "Maryam ibnat `Imran" in Sura 66:12.[/b]

You want more? read here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/qbhc06.html

Hallie27: @tintingz..jazakallahu khairan, wa zadakallahu ilman naafi'an... The reason why they talk this way is cos they have no knowledge whatsoever, and when yuou have no knowledge,you are easily brainwashed by frivolous and inauthentic things you see and hear.
@skak, lets just explain to them and come down to their level a bit, not because we want to change their minds towards right, but to make them realise that no matter what they bring, islam shall always be way ahead of them inshaa Allah.. Ignorance is a very deadly ailment;It could cost one eternity...

Ibn Ishaq (734) - A slave girl is given a "violent beating" by Ali in the presence of Muhammad, who does nothing about it.

What understanding do we need for this pretending liars. You think is evryone you can decieve with your "ISLAM IS PEACEFUL" tricks? Your books is the trace of muslims violence.
No wayo!

skak: You are a pretty little lier. Prophet Muhammad was the one who stop the slavery. The era of slavery was during the Jahiliya period i.e before the coming of Moh'd. Furthermore, prophet Muhammad worked hand in hand with blacks as his brothers and companion. A good example was Bilal who was the chief Ladan during at that time.

Arabs hated only the non-muslims especially a person like you who doen't know the cause of his existance but they never show any racism to their muslim ummas. We went to Hajj every year and associated with them without any of your claim.

You better know that Jesus was sent to jews therefore, Xtianity wasn't made for you. You better find another source to for your standing or else, you'll have no reference to present in the hear-after.

You are accusing your sacred book to be false.. , BTW, why should Arabs hate people who do not habe thesame belief as them? I thought Jesus said we should Love our neibours as we love ourselves? Mark 12:31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."
And He also told us to love our enemies? Matthew 5:44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
So why did Muhammed that claimed He came because Jesus promised He will come as the comforter now change the whole thing to hate/s.ex/slavering/plenty wives etc etc??
If you meet an Arab within the Islamic audience, sure you will get thier love, meet them in school, work place, then you will know if they care about your dark skin.

And did i read you say, Muhammed Stopped slavery? This Arabian prophet hated black up to the extend of trading away two black slaves for one Muslim/Arab slave, read:

Book 010, Number 3901:
Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)

The Muslims will say, Plappvile, you do not understand the context.......shameful to you black Muslims. You worth nothing in the Eyes of the Arabs.
Even a very dark Arab will tell you He/She is not black, what do you think of such? like our fair Igbos will say thesame thing because some of them are abit fair in complexion.

The mentality of Todays Arab is Historical, you can pretend to not want to believe it because you have chosed to continue to remain slave to the Arabs and thier religion.

The Quran and Hadith recorded numerous events on slavery and Se.x slavery. Not my words, these words are from Islamic book.

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

This is "from allah direct to Muhammad, We see many reasons why He traded on Slavering, the simplest way of unlimited supply of s.ex partners.

Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..."
This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. refernce to Qur'an (70:29-30).

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."

Chineke.....Even se.x with married slaves is permissible!! I will not comment on each. I hope i am not the writer of this book....

Qur'an (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good"

Qur'an (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..."

Bukhari (52:255) - The slave who accepts Islam and continues serving his Muslim master will receive a double reward in heaven.

This is an account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped by Muhammad's followers...

Bukhari (62:137) We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

You better know that Jesus was sent to jews therefore, Xtianity wasn't made for you. You better find another source to for your standing or else, you'll have no reference to present in the hear-after.

You had better be an Athiest and live peacefully with all men than being a Muslim and killing innocent people thinking the three daughters/goddess (al-Lat, al-Uzza and Mana) of allah will reward you in the here-after...

Let, Jesus leave me, is not ur problem. But mine. You are not a honest person. You are defending the undefendable. Continue to remain a slave to Mohammed tricks.

Acts 10:34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation (notice it says EVERY NATION) the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.

(Romans 2:13) For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous.

(1 Corinthians 12:13) For truly by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink one spirit.

(Galatians 3:28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus.

The OT, had accounts of gentils who obeyed Gods law, God blessed them....

alexis: I appreciate your post. A common muslim propaganda is to claim Islam is a black man religion and Christianity is a white mans religion.

They WILL KEEP BLIND EYES OF THE PLAIN writting of the Quran as if the book was not written by thier socalled prophet.

Up till date, the Arabians hate black race with Passion, they may pretend to like the those that embraced Islam.
I know alot of them. I have worked with Arabs. So i am not missing words.

skak: you see, i allow you to ask question about Islam becouse i knew Qur'an has enough facts, reasons, proves and solutions to any problems. Beside, no single verse in Qur'an that contradict itself except those who doen't understand it. So never doubt the authenticity of Qur'an and Islam.

You are so funny are a pretending liar if i may say! Haven't you seen multiple contradictions in the Quran? just a short example: Mary, Sister of Aaron and daughter of Amram

If your honestly check Several Suras, you will see that the Qur'an confuses Mary the mother of Jesus [Miriam in Hebrew] with Miriam the sister of Aaron and Moses, and daughter of Amram which is about 1400 years off. Muhammed writes:

At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: "O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! "O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!"
-- Sura 19:27-28

Where on earth Was Jesus born during the time of Moses first class contradictions...

Behold! wife of `Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service ... When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!" ... "... I have named her Mary ..."
-- Sura 3:35-36

skak: I no say hitler was the genesis of Christianity and you cant deny his right of been a christian. Mind you!
As for Jesus, let me tell you my stand on him;
He is known to me as ISA (A.S). He was the second to the last prophet sent by Allah (swt) to guide and show a right path to humanity. He is a human being just like the other prophets. He has the ability to performe miracles (by Allah's grace) and disbelieving him is same as disblieving other prophets. Beside this, he was sent to jews but not to black a-s-s o-l like you.

Did i just read the bolded? Well, you are only displaying your prophets way of living. He exchanged black for an animal.
BTW, are you Arab or White? if i am a black a...ss, and you hapens to be black, then you insult yourself.
I did not embrace the Arabian three godess called allah. you did.... Blacks Calling Themselves Muslims Should Be Ashamed of themselves...
Malians are under the Islamic slavering right now. allah, created LAWS allowing Muslims to own and rape their slaves.

Mahran, one of Muhammad’s black slave, was made him to carry the belongings of Muhammad and his companions while on a journey through the burning desert as Muhammad said: "Carry them, for you are a ship." Thereafter, he became known by that surname, Safina ('ship'). Relating this own story, Mahran said:

"The apostle of God and his companions went on a trip. (When) their belongings became too heavy for them to carry, Muhammad told me, 'Spread your garment.' They filled it with their belongings, then they put it on me. The apostle of God told me, 'Carry (it), for you are a ship.' Even if I was carrying the load of six or seven donkeys while we were on a journey, anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load. The prophet told me, 'You are a ship"' (refer to Ibn Qayyim, p. 115–116; al-Hulya, Vol. 1, p. 369, quoted from Ahmad 5:222).

Islamic 'Black Slave' Trade you should know if you do not know. History has alot to tell you about this Arabian Prophet.
Almost all Blacks living in U.S. today can trace their roots back to a slave ancestor.
The awful truth is that Arabs ravaged Africa for nearly a millennium engaging in enslavement of Africans on a grand scale before the Europeans began exporting black slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for 'black' ("abed" is also the same word for 'slave'. This is because, the black Africans became synonymous with slaves to Arabs. Over 120 million black Africans were killed by Muslim in one of the greatest holocausts in history. Some 75% of slaves perished on their way to markets thousands of miles. To ensure that black men could not have children Muslims castrated them; many died in this barbaric cruelty. This is the reason there are no Blacks in the Middle East.
Slavery is a divine institution in Islam, enshrined in the Koran and unchangeable for all time. To admit that slavery is a mistake is to admit the fallibility of the Koran and bring its divine origin into question.

Mohammed referred to Blacks as "raisin heads". (Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256).

In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks are, "pug-nosed slaves". (Sahih Moslem vol. 9, p. 46-47).

This one is funny..Angel now make fun of God's image.....

Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”

You want more?? you all Arabian slaves dieing for a false religion fabricated by Muhammed.

God knows His true people. We do know that there are Many "Simon Magus" the Sorcerer in todays church, but also, we do know that There are just few "Simon Peter the Apostle".

Right from the beginning, Satan had his counterfeit "Simon" operating right in the name of the true gospel of Christ. According to scripture, This false Simon bewitched people with fake miracles.
We know that the world we live in today is bewitched with so much false miracles/doctrines and teachings. This rooted from the false Simon.
So be aware of this two persons. Do not be confused.

[b]Acts 8:9-24 9 Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great, 10 and all the people, both high and low, gave him their attention and exclaimed, “This man is rightly called the Great Power of God.” 11 They followed him because he had amazed them for a long time with his sorcery. 12 But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw.

14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

20 Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

24 Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”[/b]

mdsocks: one thing you have to know is that you are taking quranic verses out of context. when you quote just a part without recause to when the verse was released and to whom.

Stop fooling the air, there is nothing context here, even a 6 yrs old child can grab these words without needing anyone to expanciate.
You people alway lie when these verses are qouted. If these verses were not in the Islamic teachings, Muslims will know no violence.
What we see in Islamist is what the Quran instructed.

Rich4god: One funny thing is that... When the islamic rebels took over the northern part of Mali and were implementing strict sharia law, killing people and destroying great manuments, most muslims were not saying anything. But if unfortunately, the situation in Mali gets tough and then western troops now take over Mali, then the muslims will be shouting that its a war against islam.

Don't mind them, they want to by force thier poison in everyone's throat. He who creat a law is not above it, but in Islam, this does not work like that.
The people who are opposing the law on the poor masses are above the law. The are sinless. They rule with fear and threats of raping and torturing women
who are seen outside without a hijab. They kill men because of not wearing a beard. They manipulate people and hold them in subjugation. What a way to keep one sin..

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YUSUFALI: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.

allah is so weak that he cannot punish them instead men are to do the cutting.


Jesus asked, Is there any of you who have not sinned,

John 8:4-11) 4: and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
5: In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"
6:They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.
7: When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
8: Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9: At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there.
10: Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
11: "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

They couldn't cut the woman's hand because they are also quilty of hiden sin. Jesus knowing thier hearts knewn this.

I do not expect Mohammed to come after Christ and say, man has the right to punish fellow man. We are all equal in the sight of God.

BetaThings: Your political Islam does not represent Islam too
'Saudis are "Wahabis" and do not represent Islam but Iran is a model Islamic state is nothing but politics'
Grave worship is a SIN, but does not justify destroying them. It is a pedestrian approach to solving a problem

Are you now saying Muhammed did not taught Muslims to kill the Jews? Why should He kill them, to glorify allah?

Just some few hadiths, some are still in the quran.
Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176: Narrated by 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'" Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177: Narrated by Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."


He also taught Muslims to murder non-Muslims/unbelievers.

Qur'an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers

allah has no power to judge unbelievers, this is very weak of Him...

This same prophet also taught Muslims to murder people who left Islam.

Qur'an 4:089: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Na by force??

We read of the old testament where Abraham, Moses forth against some ungodly nations for several reasons, there was no where where they intructed to convert anyone by force to Yahweh.
They didn't even preach thier God to other nations. God always warn them not to mix with the unbelievers, but never tolm them to kill them if they refused to turn to Him (God);

Mohammed authorised Muslims to murder people they did not trust.

Qur'an 4:091: You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.

With all these are we not to trust the Islamist are under instructions from thier Prophet? isn't this enough proof that Islam is not a peaceful religion?

la furia: let me remind them of forgotten history, have you ever wondered y nobody hardly mentions the RWANDa Genocide , the bosnia massacre (though in europe). the ivory coast war (gbagbo and quattarra in 2011), islam is responsibl i guess.......

You encourage violence its a pity. The picture of those three women saying "sharia is the only solution" makes no sense to you abi?

Why would such statement be made? is it by force to make someone observe a teaching/doctrine of a religion?

BetaThings: You too did not speak up for the Muslims being massacred in Burma (Myamar).
No country has intervened in that matter
So what is the media doing about that too? Or does it not exist?

Do you think I support violence? Whatever the religion, violence is intolerable, the People of Mali called for help, since this crisis, it roughly a year now. These people have been bearing, it was time for them to cry out. So you were expecting the troops team to ignore their cry?

The Buddhist murdered Muslim in Burma, I wonder what their aim was. Whtevr, This is wrong, human blood drips like water in the hands of religion terrorists. Did the so-called god they claim to worship seek human blood for them?? BTW, where was the almighty al Quaida all the while?

tintingz: Lol...the work of media is really leading some people astray

It is Islam that is drawing media intention. Does the media invent what is happening in Mali? All the Malians in France gathered themselves today in Paris
Thanking France for intervening, Will you still accuse media to be false ur family is not affected so it doesn't matter..!!

maclatunji: LOL. Google your own post and see the responses to it. Overflogged quotes that you don't know the context and meaning of.

Google what? do i need google to know THE CONTEXT it shows in Mali? no, my tv and radio is enough for now.
Mind you, the google search engine do islam no favour . Al Qaida? Jihadism blood seekers!

Geewan: I bear witness that there is no God except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

The prove is in MALI and BOKO HARAM's .....What a good withness you bear!

skak: that is what you bloody Xristian are saying about Hitler that he is not a xtian.. But you will never hide the truth. He was rised by catholic and died xtian.
As for Qur'an and Hadith, you know nothing about either of the 2. Seek knowledge of Islam and see wonders that your sense cannot only accept it but embrace it.

Hahahahaha.....you are funny, so Hitler is the reason of Chritianity? You missed it dear.
History shows He was brought up in a religious way and that He followed the catholic practice, He had 6 ladies lovers of which two of His lovers commited suicide etc.
How He forcefully made christianity a most observed by schools and even invented the use of religious signs in the German Army etc.
These all character prove no genuinety of a true Christian, but one manipulating in the Name of Christianity. This is not Christ-like.

Besides, we are talking about Muhammed and you are bringing Hitler in, as if Hitler is the root of Christianity just as Muhammed is the source of Islam.
In fact, the bible speaks of Simon, a great sorcerer/magician He thought He could pretend to be Christ-like but Jesus Disciple rebuked Him instantly.

Acts 8:17-19, 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
18When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money
19 and said, "Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."
What am i trying to point out here? The man pretended to have repented, but because He didnt recieve the gift of the Holy spirit,
He now felt He could buy it with money, His pretence was exposed instantly.

There are Many like "Simon" who have come and go and even today. They claim to be Christian, without genuine repentance, while thier heart is fear from the true teaching of the Scripture. You could have made sense if you had pointed at Jesus, but you absolutly can't, because your quran will refute you.
It says that Jesus is faultless. So how can you contradict your Prophet

Are the women that demonstrated in London not following the true teaching if the Quran you think? the truth is that, Islam is becoming more and more violence, and they give no Demn in lossing their life for allah, because they are promised enternal life if they happens to die during.... So, the fact remains. The Muslims who kill fight to force Islam in the throut of men, are indeed the true Muslims....according to the Quran. There is nothing like loving those that rejects Islam.

chukwudi44: Bunchh of deluded fools.Even the useless op is more deluded than the the idiotic watch tower guys? Where on earth was Jesus described as an angel? Moronic human elements.

Heb 1:5 says he is far superior to angels so get a life retards

We could have accepted the trinity dogma in order not to be called names abi? Anyway, those scriptures are so plain.

See ur pope considering the Koran' view on the trinity.

@true2god, I no get strength for blind argument. This is no a new yr or xmas thread. Maybe some
Days we may meet else where and discuss this matter. Peace!

Update; French troops won't go to Mali, Hollande promises

By RFI
President François Hollande has categorically ruled out a French military intervention in Mali on Tuesday. France will not intervene “under any pretext” in the north of the country, currently under the control of Islamist militias. At a press conference held to mark his first six months in office, Hollande pledged that Paris would only provide "logistical support" to the African nations that are set to intervene in Islamist-controlled northern Mali.

Hollande described the decision as “very important”.

Pointing out that countries such as Mauritania, Algeria, and Chad, who are not Ecowas members, took part in the meeting, Hollande insisted that Europe will leave the military action to Africans.

“France and Europe will provide logistical support and training,” he said. “But France will not, under any pretext, intervene in Mali.”

But, with six French citizens among the nine Europeans held hostage by Al Qaeda in the Ismamic Maghreb (Aqim), Hollande said that the presence of "terrorist groups" there is cause for concern.

See link for more:

http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/20121114-french-troops-wont-go-mali-hollande-promises


Africans are now left to bear and solve thier own problems....We embrace all sort of rubbish as long as it is called religion.
Now we have to face the problem by ourselves. Poor people of Mali, I hope this stop soon

Rich4god: My dear plappville... Take it easy... *winks*

You know if they do not stop, this might result to a serious war? They have killed uncountable innocents? Now that Some countries like England, France Nigeria has decided to intervene
The over all, Islamist Al Qaeda are sending thier threats. Should every one fold thier hands and allow this mass killing in Mali? See link:

Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) HAS Threatened to execute six French hostages if France Intervenes Militarily in northern Mali in a message published on a Mauritanian website. The Islamist group Threatens "tragedies and disasters" for France and its people if France and Its African allies take military action in the region

http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/20120920-al-qaeda-threatens-kill-french-hostages-mali