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BARRISTERS: @plappvile
@Boomark



do you notice this variance in their trinitarian concept? see this (bolded) below;

Bidam;to Barristers


when the foundation of 'a belief is not in agreement' what haappens?

Bidam just said God is the son and also the Angel...Bidam's case is serious than I think...euh!!!

BARRISTERS: @Bidam



good, the implication of throwing back a question for me to answer is that you 'agreed to my answer' having wasted your chance of giving an answer, which means that my answer; 'our lifegiver' 'God the Almighty' who created jesus as the firstborn of his creation,collosians 1:15 .....'the firstborn of Gods creation' and same 'God the Almighty' who appointed jesus as 'my son' made him lower than the angels, while on earth,

and as at the time that jesus was lower than the angels here on earth, it clearly shows that he is 'not equal to God' but inferior!

there was no time that God the father have ever been 'lower than the angels' always superior as manifested in this particular situation.

so, your equality theorem has been dealt a great blow!

Hahaha...good one. @Bidam reaped himself..

I agree with @truthislight, it is not good to be part of such wedding.
But this is nothing in todays church. Many churches lack knowledge of Gods law. I know one Church where couple who are church workers. In the choirs. The church wedded them with 4 months old pregnancy. If you tell people what they do is against Scripture. And even show it to them, You looked at as a traitor in their midst. My.advise is this, Do not be part of their sin. So it is wrong to attend such wedding.

ednut1: how many female pastors, prophet or disciples u see for bible, women are nt meant to be pastors, mixing xtainity wit western ideology is evil. 1Corinthians 14:34-35. "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for
they are not permitted to speak; but they are to
be submissive; as the law says " And if they want to learn something, let them
ask their own husbands at home; for it is
shameful for women to speak in church".

No over read meaning to this verse jare!

thorpido: Seems the options she has is either to keep waiting on God in prayer to either change his heart or remove him from his position or she moves out of that church.
I think she should just keep serving God in whatever capacity she has found herself and leave the rest to Him.

Same HERE!

OP, check this thread, you may find some useful info concerning yor question.....

https://www.nairaland.com/1036580/pastor-wrote-me#12032791

Boomark: Have you seen it. Just before you say someone's teaching is from the pit of hell, you check yourself very well. I saw joagbaje viewing, i thought he might help.

ser·vant ( sûr ' vənt )
n.
1. One who is privately employedto perform domestic services.
2. One who is publicly employed to perform services, as for a government.
3. One who expresses submission, recognizance, or debt to another: your obedientservant.

Use your dictionary to also look up for "serve," that is what a servant does. You will get a comprehensive bible quotes on it from the link. 1st n 2nd page.

https://www.nairaland.com/1127181/jesus-christ-servant-of-God-trinity-debunked-again

briefly
In zechariah 3:8, you will see where it says, "...i am bringing forth my servant the Branch." this shows that he is already a servant before he was brought forth.

Thes Catholic doctrines/traditons are not too easy to let gooo by some protestant/pentecosters....yet they keep accusing Catholic of idolatry..

Bidam: ok..it is my turn to learn..what do you understand by the word servant in reference to Jesus Christ? gimme scriptures to explain the concept.

Euhhh!! Typical way of avoiding to answer a question....btw, as a former Muslim, how come you still believe Jesus is God?

ijawkid: Jesus was and is a servant of GOD.......follow the scriptures my bro...it won't kill you......

Very Simple and short, but so true!!!

Lovethywilbedon: Q1. When did islamic cleris start to PREDICT the future?. Q2 If you don't think that Islam supports terrorisim, why did you see the sending of troops to fight trrorist in Mali as a Fight against Islam?. Q3. How is Islam fighting against terror?. Q4. How can war against terror turn into war against Islam if both are not Closely Related?. Q5. Why does fighting a terrorist Country like Iraq result to fighting the entire Muslem Community, if Islam has nothing to do with Terrorism?. Q6. Don't you think it will be better if this thread was placed in Muslem section for muslems, with muslem modrators?.

Correct questions!

Ubenedictus: sorry i didnt get d question! Do u mean d atheist cremation was done in a catholic? Or is d question open?

Yes!

Image123: plap is teaching, this is good news. Well done oh, though this your class, this comment has been hidden.

You don find me reach here abi? na teaching you call this one? And who tell you say na class we dey here? ...wetin happen to it?



[s]this image123 always have a word to say in my thread euh!!! ([/s]

truthislight: Ah! Thank you my sis.

So if i wish i can have my west dead body burnt off as not to stress my children with plenty wahala of burial ceremony and occupying landed space, which will help them moved on with their life quickly.

Thank you ones more.

Of course, we always do things the way it pleases us. I have no argument here
And you're welcome....

truthislight: did i say people should not be buried in the ground? No.

I only said if you think it is wrong for me to chose othewise?

I did not think it is wrong or right, i just wanted to know the bible stands on this.
My family have no history of cremation and as a Christian, i felt the need to dig deeper to know the bible stands on this matter
That was why this thread was created. If i knew much about it, there would have be no need creating this thread.

truthislight: Jesus did not give much emphasis on burial matters.

He said let "the dead bury their dead".

Lets not go superstitious about the dead and start attaching importance to dead bodies.

To me, it is a nuisance and should be disposed off in the most thrifty way possible.
Peace

Jesus did not, but the Scripture does? you wanted me to high light the "let thedead bury the dead" which i died.
Which one be superstitious na? The verses i presented where the superstitious or what?

Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Slavery

"Slavery is a part of Islam...(those who argue that slavery is abolished are) ignorant, not scholars.
They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel."

These Hadiths show how Islam explicitly and implicitly permits slavery. Our Nigeria Muslims says they know better than the founders of Islam....

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a: The Prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day."
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:132

A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet). The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her (according to the version of al-Hasan). The version of Ibn AbusSari has: You people, flog her, or said: inflict hard punishment on him.
Abu Dawud 11:2126

Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ashari: The Prophet said, "He who has a slave-girl and teaches her good manners and improves her education and then manumits and marries her, will get a double reward; and any slave who observes Allah's right and his master's right will get a double reward."Sahih Bukhari 3:46:723

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have loved to die as a slave.Sahih Bukhari 3:46:724

Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Everyone of you is a guardian and is responsible for his charges. The ruler who has authority over people, is a guardian and is responsible for them, a man is a guardian of his family and is responsible for them; a woman is a guardian of her husband's house and children and is responsible for them; a slave ('Abu) is a guardian of his master's property and is responsible for it; so all of you are guardians and are responsible for your charges."
Sahih Bukhari 3:46:730


Islam Permits Ra.ping Captives and Slaves Main article: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Rape

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran 4:. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
Sahih Muslim 8:3432

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: I have a slave-girl who is our servant and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with her, but I do not want her to conceive. He said: Practise 'azl, if you so like, but what is decreed for her will come to her. The person stayed back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl has become pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would come to her.
Sahih Muslim 8:3383


Muhammad Had No Animosity With Slavery: Mohammed regularly met with and commanded slaves without asking the slave's master to free the slave even though it was within his power to do so.

Narrated Sahl: Allah's Apostle sent someone to a woman telling her to "Order her slave, carpenter, to prepare a wooden pulpit for him to sit on."
Sahih Bukhari 1:8:439

Narrated Jabir: A woman said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall I get something constructed for you to sit on as I have a slave who is a carpenter?" He replied, "Yes, if you like." So she had that pulpit constructed.
Sahih Bukhari 1:8:440

Narrated Abu Hazim: Some men came to Sahl bin Sad to ask him about the pulpit. He replied, "Allah's Apostle sent for a woman (Sahl named her) (this message): 'Order your slave carpenter to make pieces of wood (i.e. a pulpit) for me so that I may sit on it while addressing the people.' So, she ordered him to make it from the tamarisk of the forest. He brought it to her and she sent it to Allah's Apostle . Allah's Apostle ordered it to be placed in the mosque: so, it was put and he sat on it.
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:307

THE LIST IS MANY, I WILL STOP HERE:

[size=14pt]It is rare nowadays to find slaves in the shar’i sense in which it is permissible to be intimate with them etc.
That is because most of the Muslims have long since given up the obligation of jihad for the sake of Allaah, in addition
to their position of weakness and humiliation before their kaafir enemies, so that many of the majority-Muslim
nations have signed the protocol that expressly forbids slavery and strives to put an end to it, which was agreed upon in the United Nations in 1953.
Islam Q&A - Fatwa #26067[/size]

[url]http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Slavery[/url]

allah is indeed a slave seeking god.

I can only laugh because you blacks are always the scape goat as i have said earlier. You do not know your History. You continue to be slaves for the Arabs till date.
Jesus Christ has set you free from slavering but you refused him because the spare of Muhammed is a byforce one so it has won your premitive minds.
You want Muhammed Hatred for blacks to be exposed the more, i have no problem in exposing it, after all History is meant for this purpose.

The black man you are blindly calling His companion was His personal slave. This Arabian god own slaves......and traded them serverally.
Muhammad Owned Black Slaves

The Hadith historically recorded Muhammad’s personal ownership of black slaves, “So I went to the upper room where the Prophet was and said to a black slave of his, will you get the permission of the Prophet for Umar (to enter)?”[6] The biographies of the prophet had named several of his black slaves as Bilal, Abu Hurairah, Usamah ebn Zaayed, and Rabbah.[b] One particular male African slave, named "Mahran", was re-named "Safina (ship)", by Muhammad.[/b] From the anonymous author’s book, Behind the Veil: Unmasking Islam, Mahran (Safina) recounted his ordeal:

“The apostle of God and his companions went on a trip. (When) their belongings became too heavy for them to carry, Muhammad told me, ‘spread your garment.’ They filled it with their belongings, then they put it on me. The apostle of God told me, ‘carry (it), for you are a ship.’ Even if I was carrying the load of six or seven donkeys while we were on a journey, anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load. The prophet told me, ‘you are a ship’” (refer to Ibn Qayyim, pp. 115-116; al-Hulya, vol. 1, p. 369, quoted from Ahmad 5:222).[7]

Muhammad’s Derogatory Statements against Black People
Repeatedly, Muhammad described Ethiopians as raisin heads and infidels.[8] He once dreamed of a black woman and assumed this was representative of an evil omen or coming epidemic.[9] Other traditions quoted him saying blacks were pug-nosed slaves. Since it is clear that Muhammad had an aversion toward Africans (blacks), his animosity of racial bigotry denoted the true nature of his disdain toward other ethnic people.

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

ISLAMIC SLAVERY IN HISTORY
Muhammad owned numerous slaves, both male and female. Muslims have followed his example and have aggressively bartered in the slave trade for almost 1400 years. This Islamic slave trade continues to this day. Historical evidence documents that the Arab slave trade was the major seller of blacks. One estimate claimed, during the period between 650 and 1900, Arab slave traders stole 14.4 million blacks from Africa.[10] Without respect to human rights, millions of black slaves have been sold around the world in direct correlation to Islamic oppression and unscrupulous dogma which contradicts the New Testament teachings.

When the Muslims first invaded Northern Africa, they gave the blacks a choice to follow Islam or become slaves to be sold. Trade between the Muslims and Europeans stemmed from the Islamic practice of slave trading. Many of the larger tribes throughout Africa aligned themselves with the Muslims to capture enemy tribes. Thus, Africans enslaved one another in collusion with the Muslim slave traders. Prior to the Islamic or European slave trade, Africa had a harsh slavery tradition among their own people for territorial conquest and power. Blacks were involved in slavery long before other nations conquered them; but Muslims amplified the practice to satiate a world market looking to fill its greedy appetite for cheap labor.

In Islamic dominated countries today, a large scale slave trade continues unabated, trading blacks, whites, oriental, other ethnic groups, and even children. Many of these children are used as sexual toys for the wealthier clientele. In the Sudan, Arab slave traders still buy and sell Dinka slaves to family and friends. Many of these slaves are transported to the wealthy nations of the Middle East to service the powerful oil sheiks.

Currently, the number of chattel slaves has been estimated in the tens of thousands. Some of the newly captured slaves attempt to escape and are often murdered as a consequence. Frequently, women and young girls are savagely raped and so.do.mized. The Qur’an sanctioned sex with any girl [at any age] that one owns, “And all married women are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hand possess” (Qur’an 4:24). Under Islam, a slave has no legal rights. He or she is cruelly treated and simply considered material possessions. Ibn Warraq has cited an astonishing report:

In the French magazine, L Vie (no. 2562, 6 Oct. 1994) 45,000 young black Africans per year are still kidnapped and reduced to slavery—as servants in the gulf states and the Middle East.[11]

Many of these slaves were acquired from Southern Sudan. The Islamic government of Sudan financially and often militarily assisted in the raping and subjugation of the black Christians of southern Sudan. It was not until over a decade later, during the Darfur genocide, that the media and notable personalities began to point out the outrageous deeds by the Islamic perpetrators and their cohorts. Most established agencies have estimated 300,000 to 450,000 dead and up to 2 million displaced. In addition, vast numbers of these Sudanese victims were captured as slaves and often raped.

These are only a few examples of the subjugation of blacks by the Arab slave trade. Islam does not promote morality in relation to human rights. The Islamic practice of sexual abuse, slavery and racism has been well documented; it remains a religion of bigotry, intolerance, and war. Undoubtedly, the reason one-fifth the population of the world follows the Islamic system is due to a lack of historical knowledge and awareness of the issues disclosed in this documentation.

vedaxcool: and christian in Rwandan got their violent nature else where? tintingz have proven beyond reasonable doubt that New testament authorize violence, keep hailing your broda logicboy who thinks Jehovah is a figment of your imagination, and the fact remains:

Jesus asked his disciple to sell their cloths for swords. A disciple actually brought two

The same sword was used in cutting off someone's ear!

This is the simple straight fact! And when you are finished with Mali, don't forget Congo the rape capital of the world which again is undergoing severe forms of violence, yes you only know how to talk of muslims that engaged in a civil war, but you and France forget Congo where women are being robbed of their honor by the minute, oh wait they are muslims so that does not interest you only violence (Christian being killed does not disturb your conscience the same way you and your christendom kept quiet while christian murdered each other to the tune of 9000000) we muslims know hypocrites, that is why every time you guys come here and lie we simply laugh and wonder whether you know God at all or has the devil made lie sound ok? I assure the negative propaganda is spreading Islam wide and Far, and those with common sense see beyond the lies
It even boost sales atimes
www.nairaland.com/1155209/british-national-partys-campaign-against

And ur argument of the old testement says in essence the OT is garbage and if that holds it also means the NT is pretty much garbage since the OT makes a case for the NT
you people give us reason to reject the falsehood contained in your belief!

ARE YOU MAKING SENSE AT ALL?? SOMEONE THAT PROMOTE VIOLENCE WILL REBUKE VIOLENCE ? YOU DIDN'T SHOW WHERE JESUS FOUGHT OR HIS DISCIPLES

Matthew 26:52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
and He healed the man's ear.... you are refuted!


MUHAMMED KILLED AND FOUGHT SEVERAL WARS, HE DID BUSINESS ON SLAVERY AND HIS FOLLOWERS ARE STILL DOING IT TILL DATE.
AFRICANS ARE SLEVES OF THE ARABIAN three godesses....Allah's Daughters: el-Lat, el-Uzza, and Manat

tintingz: @plappville...interesting fairytale, this doesnt change the fact that jehovah sent a LYING SPIRIT to his prophets...keep twisting your bible scriptures and said it is a "vision" ...well you have never accept my explanation either

Pretend you did not understand anything in that write up, that is your headach.
I am not forcing it in your throat.

Quran 3:28 Don't have unbelieving friends unless it is to deceive them. Remember the final goal is to Allah.
No wonder the black race have been decieved by this Arab prophet. After slavering them, he continue to slave them with his religion.

SHARIA LAW MUST RULE THE WORLD
Allah’s law (Sharia) is binding to all…4:135

Allah accepts only Sharia and no other laws…7:29, 57:25

Allah is the Law-giver; He appointed Muhammad to implement the only correct laws (Sharia laws)…45:18

Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS

"ISLAM ISN'T IN the world TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT.
The Koran ... should be the highest authority in world wide.. , and Islam the only accepted religion on earth...
Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don't need to look somewhere else."
Islam is very forceful, very controlling, very political, and very intolerant of its opponents
What a weak god forcing human to come to Him...

MUHAMMED HAD 100PER HATRED FOR BLACK:
Whoever says Muhammad was black must be killed…(Ash-Shifa, Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman, 2004)

Disbelievers’ faces will be black on the judgment day and they will receive God's penalty...3:106 White faces on the judgment day will receive God's mercy...3:107

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.(ibid, p.375)

In one Hadith, Mohammed referred to Blacks as Raisn Heads (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256), and as pug nosed slaves in Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47.

Those who die fighting for Allah will go to heaven. 3:195 Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33 The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 38:55-9

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.9:34

Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37 contradicting Jesus.
Luke1:35 The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called the Son of God. ©NET Read More. According to Islam, Nathanael also is in hell..
(John 1:49) Nathanael answered him, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel!”

Hallie27: *passing by*........
No wonder the first suicide bombing recorded in history was done by followers of christ, go study ur history very well...
Little wonder The Americans and israelis cant just stop invading muslim countries,because of their greed,covetuosness nd bloodlust, and when muslims defend themselves,they call them 'terrorists'...
And pls stop arguing, concentrate on how you'll make it to heaven, if you feel all muslims are doomed, then leave us to our problems,we aint complainin to you,are we?
Na wa oh.....

My History is the Bible, So where can you prove those suicide bombers did that onder the instruction of Jesus in the New testament?
You should validate your claims with the bible as you happens to be accusing Jesus....prove it..woman prove it!

What was BOKO HARAM DEFENDING? HOW DOES THE LATTER OF THIS THREAD PROVE THE HADITH/QURAN ACCURATE?

MUSLIMS SHOULD LEAVE THE BIBLE ALONE, THERE ARE SOME PROPHECIES ON ISLAMS AND MANY OTHERS, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SPEAKS OF FALSE PROPHETS.
AND THE ONES THAT TOLD US ISLAM WILL KILL CHRISTIANS THINKING THEY ARE DOING A SERVICE TO GOD.

John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom.- Koran 9:39

Christians will be burned in the Fire.-Koran 5:72

Fight those among the People of the Book [i.e. Jews and Christians]... who do not profess the true religion,(islam) until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.-Koran (9.29)

tintingz:


keep on naming your trinity god head...Allah s.w.t condemn the gods that were practice by the arab pagans...maybe you should read 1king 22:22 why jehovah sent a LYING SPIRIT TO ALL HIS PROPHETS?

1 Kings 22:22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a LYING spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Infact jehovah has an EVIL SPIRIT

Why did God send a lying spirit? (1 Kings 22:22)
The Bible teaches that God does not lie (Heb.6:18), so how is this possible:


1 Kings 22:20 and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’
And one said one thing, and another said another.
21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’
22 And the Lord said to him, ‘By what means?’
And the spirit said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’
And the Lord said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’
23 Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.”

The answer is that this did not literally happen, God did no such thing. The idea that God really put a lying spirit in anyone’s mouth comes from not reading the full context.

King Ahab and his court prophets
1Kings 22:1 For three years Syria and Israel continued without war. 2 But in the third year Jehoshaphat the king of Judah came down to the king of Israel. 3 And the king of Israel said to his servants, “Do you know that Ramoth-gilead belongs to us, and we keep quiet and do not take it out of the hand of the king of Syria?” 4 And he said to Jehoshaphat, “Will you go with me to battle at Ramoth-gilead?” And Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel, “I am as you are, my people as your people, my horses as your horses.”

The context is that the king of the northern kingdom, Israel, wants to persuade the king of the southern kingdom, Judah, to join his war. But to do so he has to convince the doubtful, and pious, king of Judah, that the war is what God wants. So Ahab marshals his ‘house prophets’, the ones who say what Ahab wants. This event appears to be after Ahab’s repentance from Baal worship (1 Kings 21:25), so these appear to be prophets of Yahweh not Baal — albeit it the Yahweh who was worshipped in golden calves at Bethel and Dan, rather than the true Yahweh who was worshipped in the temple at Jerusalem.

1 Kings 22:5 And Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel, “Inquire first for the word of the Lord.” 6 Then the king of Israel gathered the prophets together, about four hundred men, and said to them, “Shall I go to battle against Ramoth-gilead, or shall I refrain?” And they said, “Go up, for the Lord will give it into the hand of the king.”

However the king of Judah is nervous — how can he believe these prophets of the Lord who eat at Ahab’s table and worship at Bethel and Dan? So Ahab reluctantly is forced to send for Micaiah, a real prophet.

1 Kings 22:7 But Jehoshaphat said, “Is there not here another prophet of the Lord of whom we may inquire?” 8 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “There is yet one man by whom we may inquire of the Lord, Micaiah the son of Imlah, but I hate him, for he never prophesies good concerning me, but evil.” And Jehoshaphat said, “Let not the king say so.” 9 Then the king of Israel summoned an officer and said, “Bring quickly Micaiah the son of Imlah.”

Then follows the performance of Ahab’s house-prophets, led by Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah:
1 Kings 22:10 Now the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat the king of Judah were sitting on their thrones, arrayed in their robes, at the threshing floor at the entrance of the gate of Samaria, and all the prophets were prophesying before them. 11 And Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah made for himself horns of iron and said, “Thus says the Lord, ‘With these you shall push the Syrians until they are destroyed.’” 12 And all the prophets prophesied so and said, “Go up to Ramoth-gilead and triumph; the Lord will give it into the hand of the king.”

Following this performance, the guards bring, under protest, Micaiah:
1 Kings 22:13 And the messenger who went to summon Micaiah said to him, “Behold, the words of the prophets with one accord are favorable to the king. Let your word be like the word of one of them, and speak favorably.” 14 But Micaiah said, “As the Lord lives, what the Lord says to me, that I will speak.” 15 And when he had come to the king, the king said to him, “Micaiah, shall we go to Ramoth-gilead to battle, or shall we refrain?” And he answered him, “Go up and triumph; the Lord will give it into the hand of the king.” 16 But the king said to him, “How many times shall I make you swear that you speak to me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?”

It is not clear why Micaiah’s positive answer brings anger from the king. Perhaps it is far too easy. Or perhaps there was a note of sarcasm in the response, which we do not pick up in writing. Or alternatively the king realised that “Go up and triumph” is not the same as “You will surely triumph”, and that Micaiah did not say which king — he may secretly have meant the king of Syria! In any case Micaiah’s next comment is wholly negative:
17 And he said, “I saw all Israel scattered on the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd. And the Lord said, ‘These have no master; let each return to his home in peace.’”18 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Did I not tell you that he would not prophesy good concerning me, but evil?”

So he was predicting the victory of the king of Syria… not of Ahab
Micaiah’s famous lying spirit prophecy
19 And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; 20 and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 And the Lord said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ 23 Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.”

There are several indications that this “vision” is ironic, if not sarcastic.
First, the context; does a prophet of God suddenly produce a “vision” to order? Prophecies can be spur of the moment, but visions generally come at night or in deep prayer (2 Sam.7:4, Job 33:15, Ezekiel 1:1). The instant nature of this “vision” suggests the false prophet visions of Jer.23:16

Second; the prophets of Ahab have already said what Ahab wants to hear, and it is evident that the prophets of Ahab need no encouragement from angels to lie

Third; nowhere in the Bible do we find the teaching that the court of heaven is an indecisive democracy with God asking for advice or ideas from the “host of heaven” (Hebrew, Sabaoth). Nor do we have one angel saying one thing, one saying another. This sort of heavenly court is found in Canaanite myth — for example in the little we know about Baal — but totally unknown in the Bible, since God is a God who does not take advice (“who hath been his counsellor? Isa 40:13-14, etc.). Then God agrees to be behind a lie, a deception. Again this is almost unheard of in Bible (“Let God be true though every one were a liar Rom.3:4, etc.) until the exception of the “great delusion” of 2Thess.2:11.

There’s a particular oddness about the use of “host” here rather than “angels”. The basic meaning of angels (messengers, malakim) is appropriate to the sending of a lying spirit, whereas “host” (sabaoth, armies) is not always positive in the Old Testament. The first reference to the “host of heaven” (Det.4:19, 17:3) is to forbid their worship, then we have positive mention of the Lord of Hosts at Shiloh (1Sam.1:3) but then again negative references associating their worship with Baal (2Kings 17:6, 21:3, Jeremiah 8:2, Acts 7:42). In fact, of 18 uses of the phrase “host of heaven”, at least 15 are negative, and of the remaining 3, 2 probably refer to literal stars in the sky.

Fourth; Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah clearly understood it as sarcastic, and aimed at himself:

1 Kings 22:24 Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near and struck Micaiah on the cheek and said, “How did the Spirit of the Lord go from me to speak to you?” 25 And Micaiah said, “Behold, you shall see on that day when you go into an inner chamber to hide yourself.”26 And the king of Israel said, “Seize Micaiah, and take him back to Amon the governor of the city and to Joash the king’s son, 27 and say, ‘Thus says the king, “Put this fellow in prison and feed him meager rations of bread and water, until I come in peace.”’” 28 And Micaiah said, “If you return in peace, the Lord has not spoken by me.” And he said, “Hear, all you peoples!”

Note in particular: “How did the Spirit of the Lord go from me to speak to you?”. The meaning is clear enough — you Micaiah say that I’m lying with a spirit from the host of heaven in my mouth, well who is to say that you are not lying yourself? And to go with that, slap!

The end of the story is predictable enough. Despite Ahab having disguised himself and put Jehoshaphat in the line of danger, a random arrow struck Ahab, but Jehoshaphat survived. We do not read of the end of Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah on the day when he goes into an inner chamber to hide himself, but this too is assumed. It would not be unlikely that Ahab’s widow Jezebel had him killed for the “lying prophecy” which killed her husband. It’s not as if she needed an excuse to kill a prophet of the Lord, even one of the Lord who was worshipped in the golden calves.

Conclusion
In sum, there’s nothing in the above that suggests that there was a literal meeting of the Sabaoth in heaven where God asked for their suggestions. Or that that’s how God’s court works at all. It’s simply an ironic prophecy, like so many of the prophecies of Elijah and Isaiah. It’s also possible that Micaiah may have sown in the irony some commentary about the religious views of the prophets of the golden calves, the ones who worshipped at Bethel and Dan. We simply don’t know — we have no information on the religion of the northern kingdom other than a few glimpses in Kings and Chronicles and Isaiah-period prophecies against “Ephraim”. It’s also possible that the later comment comparing Manasseh’s building of altars to the host of heaven in Jerusalem being “like Ahab” (2Kings 21:3-5) indicates that Ahab had done the same at Bethel and Dan.

It also isn’t out of the question that these northern prophets had, during the years when they were forced to worship Baal by Ahab’s wife Jezebel, absorbed some of the Canaanite ideas about a heavenly court with an indecisive and fallible god (Baal), and let that distort their view of the God of Israel. At least we know that Det.4:19 predicts and Acts 7:42 confirms that worship of the “host of heaven” was a continuing problem in Israel and Judah. In either case, the context and strange language looks like Micaiah is attacking Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah with his own beliefs — much as Jesus parodied Pharisee beliefs in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

In all, this “vision” is not a secure base to argue that God literally helps false prophets to do what comes naturally — lie.

tintingz: Lol...thats how she behaves ignorantly, when you quote out a bible verse exposing christianity and their three gods she will say "it is parable" buh when you explain a Quran verse to her she will keep on saying you are wrong

Matthew 13:11 He (Jesus) replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.

Matthew 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

Am i Jesus that said that?

tintingz: Hehehe! Plappville will never accept the fact that your jehobaal sorry jehovah is a war lord... The 3gods repented?

SHOW ME WHERE JESUS KILL, FIGHT, OWN SLAVES AND RA.PE THEM ??

THE THREE DAUGHTERS OF ALLAH YOU MEAN?? the ones Muhammad commanded his followers to offer prayers to ?
See "Allah's daughters".

'afara'aytumu
'llata
Have you seen Allat and
wa'l'uzza al-Uzza
wamanata and Manat the third, the
'ththalithata 'l'ukhra last? 1


deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Mark 12:29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Did Jesus just said that God is one? you are wasting your energy by following the pagans who are in pretence...
The root of Christianity is Christ, If He says God is one, every other is false and not to be taken serious.

BetaThings: Good. You don't like violence
Then answer these questions to show that you really hate ALL violence. Otherwise it would look like you just want to "expose" Muslims extremists and leave out other violent people

1. Do you think that innocent Iraqi Muslims killed by Christians shouting Jesus killed Mohammed deserve to be mourned?
2. Why do Christians rail about violence but are the largest manufacturers of arms?
3. Is that not hypocrisy? Is it not selfish?
4. Don't you think Christian arms manufacturers need violence to grow their business?
5. Don't you think Christian arms manufacturers need to advertise to make sales?
6. Don' you think Christian arms manufacturers innovate to make their weapons more efficient at destroying the "temple of God"?
7. Can you point to any Christian nation that has at any time followed the Biblical injunction to turn the other cheek?
8. Don't you think that since Christian countries even fight themselves (Spanish Armada, WWI and WWII, St Bartholomews Day massacre) are either not able to follow the Bible or the Bible is "unfollowable"?
9. When Christian soldiers were about to go to war to attack their "enemies" in order to bring them to Christianity like in South and North America (with the approval of the Pope), did they pray?
10. If they prayed, what did they ask God for?
11. What verses of the Bible did they use to support their mission?
12. Why were people who said things considered to be heretical killed ?
13. Why did Christians not pray to God to forgive them?
14. Why did Christians persecute Jews?
15. What is the guarantee that Jews will not be persecuted in the future?

1. Do you think that innocent Iraqi Muslims killed by Christians shouting Jesus killed Mohammed deserve to be mourned?

By yourself prove from what Jesus thaught His disciple and match it with this then tell me if they are Christians.

2. Why do Christians rail about violence but are the largest manufacturers of arms?
3. Is that not hypocrisy? Is it not selfish?

When you say Christians, do you mean the Church of Christ? Because the word Christian means Christ-like. Not some nations.
And if you believe Jesus instructed His followers to manufacture arms to kill and shout His name during, you an as well us it to validate your question.

4. Don't you think Christian arms manufacturers need violence to grow their business?
5. Don't you think Christian arms manufacturers need to advertise to make sales?
6. Don' you think Christian arms manufacturers innovate to make their weapons more efficient at destroying the "temple of God"?

First, the bible didn't teach Jesus had a business how much more manufacturing arms, so does His true followers. So i don't know what you mean when you say Christian arms. You should be able to back this up with the Bible.

7. Can you point to any Christian nation that has at any time followed the Biblical injunction to turn the other cheek?

There is no specific nation that is called a christian nation. The bible definition of a christian nation is the Church of Christ.
a body of believers, they are found all over the world. Some of them are even in the most typical Islamic nations. You cannot point out a nation to be Christian nation but some persons that Practice Him makes this Nation.
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

This is the Nation/persons He promised the forth coming Kingdom of God. It hall be taken away from the Pharisees/chief Priests because they rejected His godpel of the good news. Those that accepted it and Believe it are the nations/people that will inherit it.

Matthew 21:43"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

8. Don't you think that since Christian countries even fight themselves (Spanish Armada, WWI and WWII, St Bartholomews Day massacre) are either not able to follow the Bible or the Bible is "unfollowable"?

This is the problem with you Muslims, what do you mean Christian countries? these Countries are secular not Christians.
There is nothing like Christian contries in the Bible.

9. When Christian soldiers were about to go to war to attack their "enemies" in order to bring them to Christianity like in South and North America (with the approval of the Pope), did they pray?
10. If they prayed, what did they ask God for?

You continue to err, Jesus do not have soldiers......soldiers use arms and kill.
Matthew 26:52"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
His last revelation to John mentains His word on killing by sword::
Revelation 13:10 If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

11. What verses of the Bible did they use to support their mission?
12. Why were people who said things considered to be heretical killed ?

If they have, they would provide it, this alone should tell you they are not Christians.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
What fruit was Jesus known of? Killing? promoting hate/violence? If anyone is not known of the fruit of Jesus, then He is the opposite.

13. Why did Christians not pray to God to forgive them?

Have Christians done anything to the almighty BOKO HARAM? haven't BOKO killed enough Christians yet no Christians/Church have retaliated?
John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. Boko Haram believe allah is God and they think they are doing this service for the God of Israel.

14. Why did Christians persecute Jews? 15. What is the guarantee that Jews will not be persecuted in the future?

Scripture please? i know this is in the QURAN/HADITH

THE BOY Named,( Mohamed Merah)THAT CAME TO A JEWISH SCHOOL IN FRANCE AND KILLED SEVERAL KIDS IS A MUSLIM NOT CHRISTIAN.
THIS IS THE QURANIC INSTRUCTION. after killing He ran for his life, i thought the paradise promise was very important, why then are islamist hiding when they get retaliation? Life should mean nothing to dreadful islamist no?
Despite the way the Pharisees treated Christ, He never in any passage instructed His disciples to hate thier fellow Jews.

23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long;

BetaThings: So do you or do you not insult people?

How is that an insult?.... So blindness is now an insult...

Cheers01: Boko Haramists in Nigeria, Militant islamists in Mali.......I am waiting for the day that Vedaxcool/Stalwert/Tbaba1234/Swweetnecta will acknowledge tat there is a violent side to their religion.

When christians and non-muslims are being killed, these people will be scarce on threads that complain about it. However, they should not be surprised when their cries are ignored when Western countries bomb their fellow muslims into ashes.


The truth can only bring peace.

I have noticed this fact too.....

BetaThings: Show me where anyone has abused you for quoting the Qur'an. You spoke of war will break. You should be able to prove it
You used the words deceitful and thief. Show me where these words were used for the Prophet (PBUH) if indeed you are quoting the Bible

I asked you questions on this thread, you did not respond. You said you did not post in the "Islamic" section
But you are quoting from the Qur'an and giving it your own interpretation
Yet when I asked you about the Bible, you said it is not for the blind. yet you claim not to insult
So I (a Muslim) cannot understand the Bible. But you (a Christian) can understand the Qur'an
So if I go to "celebrities" section to abuse Arsenal football club, you think that will save me from being asked to validate my posts

You are so funny, i posted some hadith and quranic verses here and in the Muhammed letter thread i was insulted as a black as.s.s h.ol
you are asking me to show you? what will it change if you see it? @LagosShian and @Sweetnectar give no demn, they have even insulted my entire family because of Muhammed, suce fellow can as well kill you if they see you live.

The written words of the Hadith/quran is so plain. a direct instruction telling one to kill has no other meaning than that.
Muhammed had always belittle the bible, so any Muslim has nothing good to say about the scripture except to use it in validating Islam.
If you post a book of the celebrity communities, i see no reason why they will take it as an insult.
The book interprets itself. what i sated from this thread is all supported by the Hadith/Quran.

vedaxcool: Are you implying God only exist during the christian era? Coz God does not make mistake.

@plapvile keep hailing your broda cheers01 aka logicboy, who has truly positive opinions about christianity and violence! . I am very satisfied that the bible promotes genocide like we witness in 1994 Rwanda (Christian Era) 900, 000 dead from the very hands of their fellow christian and guess what? unmighty France did nothing, nope no their problem, US did nothing nope not their problem in fact they actually frustrated a UN response, the entire christian community did nothing, nope no their problem atleast in Mali muslim dominated countries are deploying troops why because what is going on in Mali has nothing to do with religion, but the average nl christian is too brain wash to think beyond religion!

I have no time to notice ID's in NL, it less important, Logicboy opinions are his not mine ok.
Can you present thesame genocide today? mind you, No one can kill in the name of God through Jesus.
The New convenant does not promote killing so You can't back the Rwanda genocide as Christ followers.
Jesus apostles were persercuted and killed, non of them try to fight back to protect thier lives.
A good example of what Jesus teaches is for them never to use the sword or else they will die by the sword.
When the Pharisee came with thier soldiers to arrest Him, that would have been the best moment for him to Show His
true image as a promoter of Violence, but what did he do? He rebuked Peter from using the sword, and immediatly healed the ear of the soldier.
Is this someone that like/support violence?

Matt 26:52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

Onlike Muhammed, The quran and hadith plainly tells how violence he was and how he promoted violence.

So what are you saying? that Muhammed did not support violence? that He himself was not? or that the islamist today got thier violence nature from else where?

UPDATE STILL ON MALI IN LINK WITH ALGERIA HOSTAGE BY ISLAMIST TERROSIST:

The death toll of foreign and Algerian workers taken hostage during a siege at a desert gas facility may rise from 23, an Algerian minister has warned.

A final tally would be released in the coming hours, communications minister Mohammed Said told Algerian radio.

British, US, Norwegian, and Japanese nationals are among the missing after the siege at In Amenas, which was ended by an Algerian army raid on Saturday.

Algeria said its troops had killed all 32 hostage-takers.

Officials said the army launched its assault after Islamist militants began killing foreign hostages.

Mr Said said he very much feared the death toll "would, unfortunately, be revised upwards".

He added that the militants were from six different countries, "nationals of Arab and African countries, and of non-African countries".

UK Prime Minister David Cameron and US President Barack Obama have blamed "terrorists" for the hostages' deaths.

Missing
Three Britons are confirmed dead, and a further three are missing, feared dead. Their families had undergone an "absolutely dreadful ordeal", Mr Cameron said on Sunday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21106795

So why should this be published if He leave the battle to God?

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You re right. We will try to support our brother.

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