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Islam › Re: Clear Facts To Prove Why The Whole World Needs To Embrace Islam by plappville(f): 2:12pm On Jan 14, 2013
komole: CLEAR FACTS TO PROVE WHY THE WHOLE WORLD NEEDS TO EMBRACE ISLAM

Islam is an all-embracing way of life. It extends over the entire spectrum of life, showing us how to conduct all human activities in a sound and wholesome manner. It does not allow a hierarchy of priests or intermediaries between Allaah and human beings, no farfetched abstractions and no complicated rites and rituals.

Everybody can readily understand the Quran and follow in the footsteps of the Prophet , to the best of his or her ability, assured by Allaah that He will accept the deeds that each soul has the ability to offer (what means): "On no soul does Allaah place a burden greater than it can bear." [Quran 2:286]

When we read the Quran or the Prophetic traditions, we find instructions regarding all aspects of life: political, social, economic, material, ethical, national and international. These instructions provide us with all the details needed to perform a certain act.

The Prophetic traditions go as far as showing us all the steps we need to follow, even the etiquette of using the bathroom: supplications to be said upon entering it and leaving it, how to clean ourselves properly and so on.

To summarize, Islam governs a Muslim's life in all its aspects. This is the reason why it is not only a religion but also a way of life.

Islam does not recognize any kind of separation between religion and life. It openly rejects the Western saying: "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's"; for everything should be dedicated to God alone and a Muslim is required to submit himself completely to the Will of Allaah in all his affairs (what means): "Say: ‘Truly, my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds. No partner has He: this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who submit to His Will.’" [Quran 6:162]

Islam does not believe in wishful thinking. It clearly states that righteous conduct must be followed by belief in Allaah. The Quran says (what means): "For those who believe and work deeds of righteousness is a reward that will never (fail)." [Quran 41:8]

And (what means):"Those who believe and work righteousness, joy is for them and a blissful place of (final) return." [Quran 13:29]

Islam, as the revealed Religion from Allaah, is comprehensive and perfect. Its Divine Book, the Quran, is the most comprehensive book available to mankind for guidance ¾ nothing has been omitted from it.
In order to guide mankind to the Right Religion, Allaah has completed His Divine Favor upon us by making Islam the Perfect Religion. The last message that Allaah has sent to His Messenger, Prophet Muhammad for our Divine Guidance is the perfection of Islam.

As we mentioned above, when we read the Quran or the Prophetic traditions, we find instructions regarding all aspects of life. The following are some Quranic verses and Ahaadeeth (traditions), which reflect the comprehensiveness of Islamic economic, social, religious and cultural values.


Fair/Honest Dealing in Trading, Buying and Selling


Allaah Says (what means): “O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allaah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: and fear Allaah. For Allaah is well-acquainted with all that you do.” [Quran 5:8]

Hakim bin Hizam narrated that Allaah’s Messenger said: “The seller and the buyer have the right to keep or return goods as long as they have not parted or till they part; and if both the parties spoke the truth and described the defects and qualities (of the goods), then they would be blessed in their transaction, and if they told lies or hid something, then the blessings of their transaction would be lost.” [Al-Bukhaari]

Weighing/ Measuring of Goods for Business

Allaah Says (what means): “Give full measure when you measure, and weigh with an even (i.e., honest) balance. That is the best (way) and best in result.” [Quran 17:35]

Prohibition of Bribery


Allaah Says (what means): "And do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly or send it (in bribery) to the rulers in order that (they might aid) you (to) consume a portion of the wealth of the people in sin, while you know (it is unlawful).” [Quran 2:188]
‘Abdullaah bin ‘Amr bin al-’Aas narrated that he heard Allaah’s Messenger saying: "Fornication will not appear among any people without their being punished by famine, and bribery will not appear among any people without their being punished by terror.” [At-Tirmithi]

Avoidance of Hoarding and Monopoly

The Prophet, sallallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam said: "Do not withhold your money by counting it (i.e. hoarding it), (for if you did so), Allaah would also withhold His blessings from you.” [Al-Bukhaari]

Paying Salaries/Wages of Employees/Laborers on Time

The Prophet said: “Allaah says: ‘I will be against three persons on the Day of Resurrection: 1. One who makes a covenant in My Name, but he proves treacherous; 2. One who sells a free person (as a slave) and eats the price; and 3. One who employs a laborer and gets the full work done by him but does not pay him his wages.’” [Al-Bukhaari]

Prohibition for Fighting/Murder and Other Crimes

Allaah’s Messenger said: “When two Muslims fight (meet) each other with their swords, both the murderer as well as the murdered will go to Hell-fire.” It was said: “O Allaah’s Messenger! It is all right for the murderer but what about the murdered? Allaah’s Messenger, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wasallam replied: “He surely had the intention to kill his companion.’” [Al-Bukhaari]

Peace and Reconciliation

Allaah Says (what means): “The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allaah; for Allaah loves not those who do wrong.” [Quran 42:40]
Respect and Kindness to Women
Allaah Says (what means): “O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dower you have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity if you take a disliking to them it may be that you dislike a thing, and Allaah brings about through it a great deal of good.” [Quran 4:19]

Kindness to the Family, Parents, Relatives, Orphans, the Poor, the Needy and the Weak

Allaah Says (what means): “...Treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and give zakaah (poor due)...” [Quran 2:83]
Respect to Non-Muslims (People of the Book)
Allaah Says (what means): “And dispute not with the People of the Book, except in the best way; unless it be with those of them who do wrong but say: ‘We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we submit (in Islam).’” [Quran 29:46]


The above are just a minute portion of reasons to prove Islam is a PERFECT religion and why the world needs to embrace Islam to have a better and happier society.

www.naijamuslims.org
Do you have to force it in all human throat? Why let leave the people to choose the part to follow.. undecided

Islam › Re: Clear Facts To Prove Why The Whole World Needs To Embrace Islam by plappville(f): 2:08pm On Jan 14, 2013
[quote author=Bélla3]Yes! The whole world needs islam.
Let us take clues from great countries like Pakistan,Iraq,Mali,etc that have accepted islam and have peace and can boast of the best economy and citizens.
Islam is the only religion![/quote]Are you in support of the spread of this deadly religion?.hahaha..
well it seems you forget to add Nigeria.... grin grin
Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 2:04pm On Jan 14, 2013
Islamist what have you to say about this? how peaceful is Islam?? my people are dieing in Mali for rejecting Islam.... cry cry cry

Give it up for the sake of brotherly love, Pass the message to your Islamist Malians and BOKO...s!

Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 1:59pm On Jan 14, 2013
[size=16pt]UPDATE STILL ON MALI:[/size]

Mali: Jihadists threaten to strike France "at the heart"

Jihadists living in northern Mali, and whose positions are bombed by French forces, announced Monday, January 14, they would "strike at the heart of France," according to an official of the Movement for the uniqueness and jihad in West Africa (Mujao). In an interview with Le Parisien (article fee), the Minister of the Interior, Manuel Valls, confirmed Monday that the situation in Mali "may encourage individuals or groups to carry out attacks, both in France and abroad. "

Sunday, more than sixty jihadists were killed in the single city of Gao in northern Mali and its periphery, said Monday residents and a security official. "At night, the Islamists have remained hidden in the houses came out to take the bodies of their comrades," said one resident, reached by phone in Bamako, whose testimony was intersected by other people. "It is especially in the military camp of Gao there were dead. Islamists were caught in a meeting. There have been many deaths," he added ..

http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2013/01/14/manuel-valls-la-situation-au-mali-peut-inciter-a-des-attentats-en-france_1816490_3212.html

Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 1:51pm On Jan 14, 2013
HumbledbYGrace: lol wonder where she has been
She no dey watch her tv or listen to radio ... grin grin
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 1:25pm On Jan 14, 2013
baba ireti: The earlier You abandon your abhorrence,disdain and unwarranted resentment against Islam,the better for you,go seek knowledge about Islam and stop killing your inner self with grudge and hate ,at least for your health's sake.Islam is peace Muslim are peaceful and tolerance of others .
Go and sleep you can't even defend your claim. There are uncountable dead bodies presently in Mali, yet you are here talking rubbish angry

Hoe peaceful is a religion that tend to convert the whole world by force? Isn't this the reason why riots, wars have refused to ceased? You Muslims are lieing freaks *sigh*...... angry
Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 10:35am On Jan 14, 2013
HumbledbYGrace: shocked shocked shocked

@ Op m with u here
I THINK @Bellá has not been following world news update... grin
Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 10:32am On Jan 14, 2013
[quote author=Bélla3]Plapville, You do err. Islam is a peaceful religion!grin[/quote]That must be a joke...hahaha
Oh I see, none of your loved ones are killed yet? It doesn't matter if they keep killing innocents abi? The problem I have with them is this, they oblige people to accept Islam. Of course, there are many religion out there. The only one known with violence is Islam. Yet they keep contradicting/deniaing the Quran didn't teach violence.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 10:08am On Jan 14, 2013
skak: and yet, Adolf Hitler was a christian also never denounced the blood shed he had as Unchristian. You must be fool enough by justifying religion with the action of some sect.
You know nothing about this man...read more you will know he was not religious how much more being a Christian. Do you know what Christian mean? Do like Christ. Follow the instructions if the Scripture. And what example did Jesus set? Peace or war? Which Do you see in true Christians? According to the Quran and Hadith, Muslims are following the instructions if Mohammed. See why this letter is a fraud because it contradicted the Quran and Hadith that promotes hates, converting by force, killing those who refuse to be converted by force. What we see today is correctly in line with the Quran.
Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 11:20pm On Jan 13, 2013
This is the Sharia verse in practice: As for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah. - Surah 5:38

Yet the Westerns do not cut off thier hands here when they steal from the market place, only the Arabian Nations and African practice this law.
No wonder they steal alot here. cover thier face and send thier kids to steal from the market as kids are hardly suspected of crimes.
Pretending to be Holy by hidding the face/hair. Infact, with SHARIA law, it just shows that the God you serve has no power to judge
people but human who themselves are not perfect are the ones executing this commands.

Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 11:15pm On Jan 13, 2013
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Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 11:10pm On Jan 13, 2013
Stalwert: The bible supports genocide/ethnic cleasing:


“This is what the Lord Almighty says...
‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not
spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep,
camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

An estimated 800, 000 Rwandans murdered by fellow christians (Rwandan) in what is now known as the Rwandan genocide!
Hahahaha...I just answered you in the false letter tread...here is a copy of it again...

There is nothing like God ordering killing in the new convenant with Christ. You can search the scriptures and provide one if you have? Even when Christ was to be arrested, Peter shop off the ear of one of the soldia, Jesus healed it instantly and told him that those who use the sword will die by the sword. Does this sound like a brutal,hate promoting prophet to you?

Matthew 26:51-52 With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

52“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

The Rwandan has no link with Jesus teachings, we know the truth. Muslims who kill fight, force/oblige people to convert to ISLAM IS a command from Mohammed.

Sura 2:193 and 8:39 Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Did God told Jesus to make war, fight, kill people? no, He came to restore people in a oeaceful manner, You do not have to oblige anyone to convert to ur belief.

The propblem we have here is the command penned down by F. prophet MUhammed. This does shows how false He wsa, convertion should be done by force.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 11:00pm On Jan 13, 2013
maclatunji: LOL. Google your own post and see the responses to it. Overflogged quotes that you don't know the context and meaning of.
KEEP DECIEVING FOLKS WHO GIVE YOU LISTENING EARS. YOU PEOPLE EMBRACED ISLAM WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ARIBIC LANGUAGE PROPERLY.

I WILL NOT EVEN POST THE HADITHS HERE, BECAUSE THE HOUSE WILL BE POLLUTED THE MORE..... grin grin grin
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 10:58pm On Jan 13, 2013
Stalwert: The bible supports genocide/ethnic cleasing:


“This is what the Lord Almighty says...
‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not
spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep,
camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

An estimated 800, 000 Rwandans murdered by fellow christians (Rwandan) in what is now known as the Rwandan genocide!

shocked shocked : o shocked
shocked shocked shocked shocked
There is nothing like God ordering killing in the new convenant with Christ. You can search the scriptures and provide one if you have? Even when Christ was to be arrested, Peter shop off the ear of one of the soldia, Jesus healed it instantly and told him that those who use the sword will die by the sword. Does this sound like a brutal,hate promoting prophet to you?

Matthew 26:51-52 With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

52“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”


The Rwandan has no link with Jesus teachings, we know the truth. Muslims who kill fight, force/oblige people to convert to ISLAM IS a command from Mohammed.

Sura 2:193 and 8:39 Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73



This one is incredible!!! shocked shocked He came after Jesus WHwho was so merciful, He showed mercy despite how He was humilated, Insulted.
Muhammed came and contradicted Jesus by not showing mercy but instant judgement. How do you expect Christians to take him serious?

As for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah. - Surah 5:38

This is where the sharia" punishments came from.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 10:44pm On Jan 13, 2013
tintingz: hun? huh

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over
them--bring them here and kill them in front of me." [Luke 19:27]
huh Explain?
First i hope you know He was telling a parable, in this context, He 's talking in the voice of the landlord from the parable.
It sort of makes sense becos that was how people used to retain their power/land.
That's what a landlord might say. And also, I the parable at this point was referring to the time of judgment, when the Lord sees wht we've done with our lives.
At this time, those who didn't want God to rule would be cast out of his presence "aka, spiritual death".
So this statement was included in the parable, It was not actually an order to his disciples. If you say it was, then you denial you Kuran that says, Jesus was faultless/sinless.

How about this very recent riot in Mali? what do you have to say?

Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 10:32pm On Jan 13, 2013
abibio2001: In 628 C.E. Prophet Muhammad (s) granted a Charter of Privileges to the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai. It consisted of several clauses covering all aspects of human rights including such topics as the protection of Christians, freedom of worship and movement, freedom to appoint their own judges and to own and maintain their property, exemption from military service, and the right to protection in war.

An English translation of that document is presented below.

This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them.
Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).

https://img3.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/609/480/80554397-prophet-muhammad.jpg

https://www.islamic-study.org/iais-images/The_Patent_of_Mohammed.jpg

http://www.islamic-study.org/saint_catherine_monastery.htm
CONTRADICTING GALLORE!!! are we to believe what? the quran/hadith or this letter.huh grin grin

[b]O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
[/b]

There numerous verses of hating/killing those who do not believe/accept islam. Stop this false claim, cos it contradict the Quran.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 10:22pm On Jan 13, 2013
[quote author=Paris_Love]What? you disagree with me?

If anyone thinks that [size=20pt]allah will not give victory to His apostle me in this world and in the world to come, let him(tintingz) tie a rope to the ceiling of his house and hang himself![/size] Then let him see if his device has done away with that which has enraged him.(Surah 22:15).

tongue tongue tongue grin grin

tongue tongue tongue grin grin[/quote]Na war the two of una dey here..... grin grin grin
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 10:21pm On Jan 13, 2013
4unme: May be the attitudes of our Muslim brothers in Nigeria will change if they start to learn, read and incite Quran in their own local languages.
Learn what? The quran is in full support of thier actions!

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

What is BOKO HARAM' AIMhuh what is happening now in Mali?
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 9:50pm On Jan 13, 2013
farmer99: d document is real my broda, is u dat nid to think wise, islam is religion of peace, dose pple ar not muslim.
If this doc is real then the Quran and hadith Is false... undecided
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad's Letter To The Monks Of St. Catherine Monastery by plappville(f): 9:43pm On Jan 13, 2013
Geewan: I bear witness that there is no God except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah
To validate this, the Quran need to be edited. This written letter contradict both the Quran and hadith..you can fool some persons not all..!
Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 9:20pm On Jan 13, 2013
john 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God

This is a scripture that speak/point at Islam GBAM!!!
Christianity Etc › Re: . by plappville(f): 8:58pm On Jan 13, 2013
@Op, our country is so corrupt that one hardly trust matters like this. After talking with you. I called home and I was made to understand alot of ffolks are internet fraud stars. But I doubt this ur case is not one of those. You have made much effort in proving its authentication. I hope all go well for you.
Christianity Etc › Re: . by plappville(f): 8:52pm On Jan 13, 2013
Chuksxp: I'm not sure what to say. Can anyone confirm the authenticity of this case?
I never ask this question...but I think its a wise one. I was told yesterday by my sister that many people do this in Christian forum taking advantage of Christian. But I also believe that despite the fraud stars, there are sure some people that truly need HELP, but the bad heads are the spoilers.
Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 8:33pm On Jan 13, 2013
They dominate the North so they have upper hands. ISLAM is worse than what we even see in it....Islam is a true blood seeker.
Islam › Re: What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op): 8:01pm On Jan 13, 2013
How peaceful is Islam?? S...M...H !

Islam › What Islam Is Doing To West Africans.... by plappville(op):
Sixty Muslims, fifteen women in niqab, demonstrated peacefully Saturday at the Embassy of France in London to protest against French military intervention in Mali.

Britain will provide logistical military assistance to France for his intervention in Mali, but not deploy personnel in combat situations. "The Prime Minister has decided that the United Kingdom will provide military assistance to help transport logistics quickly to Mali foreign troops and equipment," said Downing Street in a statement. "We do not deploy any British personnel in combat situations," the statement said. Downing Street later said that two British military transport aircraft would be sent to Mali.

for more follow link and read in French hahaha...http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2013/01/13/londres-va-soutenir-l-intervention-francaise-au-mali_1816286_3212.html

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by plappville(op): 3:05pm On Jan 13, 2013
Rich4god: @bolded... Where have you seen xmas celebrant worshipping/making sacrifice to an idol. And plz, try to read that chapter very well for full understanding of why God was anoyed with them. @Colosians you quoted, the rule in no way has anything to do with celebration of xmas.
Who initiated Xmas to you/us Nigerians? Do we have Winter weather ? No...even the European Catholics knows the history of how Christmas came to stay, you are arguing as if it was your grand parents that initiated it so you know better than the original celebrants. Follow follow men tradition leads to spiritual blindness.
Nothing will make sense except what you have been made to believe.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by plappville(op): 2:51pm On Jan 13, 2013
Zikkyy: What were you expecting? when you know plappville is arguing from a senseless checklist, you expect her to be logical? that's not possible na smiley The content of the checklist been debunked already, and she is having difficulties coming up with new accusations angry
I have nothing against or for the JW's so what you mean by their checklist has nnothing to do with this thread. There are millions of Christian's out there who have decided to let go this historical paganism feast tagged with Christ. They now come to realise there is no other truth outside the Scripture. But you, even with you plainly agreed that Christmas has no dealing Scripturally. You still believe you can do things in your own way not God way. This put you in same situation as the Israelites in the golden calf story.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by plappville(op): 2:44pm On Jan 13, 2013
Zikkyy: I asked you and your crew before, how many of the millions or billions celebrating Xmas are true Christians? I've done my bit trying to give your argument a direction, but it appears you are more comfortable making irrelevant accusations. you waste so much time and effort accusing pagans of worshiping their gods on December 25. If you want to be taken seriously all you need to do is show how those truly celebrating Christ on December 25 worship idols by doing so. You can start by providing an answer to my question, which you guys have been avoiding.
Do i even need to reply you anymore after you have plainly debunked yourself here? You have answered the thread correctly so do as ur heart pleases you, no one is forcing anyone here. The sscripture supports exposing evil practice in the Church. Farewell as well if you wish to follow your catholics brethren blindly.... grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by plappville(op): 2:38pm On Jan 13, 2013
Rich4god: You are still showing me some peoples culture which has nothing to do with xmas. Have you ever seen xmas celebrants walking around the streets wearing a particular uniform or dressed like a particular image. SMH4U...
Seems like i will stay off from this thread cos you are just running around trying to connect xmas celebration to paganism which you have failed. Before, you said its paganism, then worldly celebration and now you are connecting it to another peoples culture. Please try and be logical in your approach. Well bye from this thread, see you in another. Peace.
Paganism is worthiness, a pagan feast is a worldly feast why do you have problem to understand they are something? The love of it will cause you not to have the Love of God
in you, which is obeying God's commands. If you believe the scrupture is to correct us, why then do you ignore scriptural examples and hold on to men tradition by tagging God to it? You can stay way from the bitter truth this thread has been revealing. Its is not meant for you alone, some might have learnt one or two things. So farewell with your traditions. One day when you will truelly want wish to accept the scripture for just what it presents to you. Then you will be free from men traditions bondage.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by plappville(op): 2:27pm On Jan 13, 2013
Rich4god: And how does this in any way makes xmas celebration paganism/worldly. Any culture/pagans can decide to fix any date on 25th dec, it still doesnt affect the fact that we rejoice over the coming our Lord into this world.
@bolded... Thank God you spotted a difference yourself. So we are not in the same shoes.
You didn't want to agree the Catholic adopted this feast from the Pagan world. So I brought you a prove that some pagans still keep their old way of celebrating it. Despite the effort of the Church in trying to do ccomplete modification, they failed.
If you are truthful to yourself you wouldn't ignore the passage that treated * the golden calf story when @truthislight first posted it here as an example of How the Israelites hold same reason just like you today. They ccopied the Egyptian way if worshiping their god and tend to worship Yahweh in same way, what happen? I trust you know but will keep a pretending eyes to it .....here is is again (Exodus 32:1-33). If you love God you will do things the way He wants you to, not how it pleases you. This is the fact. Accept it or not it stands.

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