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All celebrates on black and white ...dressed like the image with pipe in his mouth...

See therealchop chop people, no be the copy rights...

See the celebration day, on 21th december, Sans Sebastien fiestas....

How do explain to God, but God i do my own to please you na..

Consider these period festivals as paganism just as proven by History.

Rich4god: @bolded... Where have you seen xmas celebrant worshipping/making sacrifice to an idol. And plz, try to read that chapter very well for full understanding of why God was anoyed with them. @Colosians you quoted, the rule in no way has anything to do with celebration of xmas.

I ve relatives that live in the Basque country...she told me how they celebrated it there.
its part of the historical xmas feast, same period etc....its from 21th december.
School kids and parent dress with thesame uniform. black hat, ladies tie thier heads. you must wear rope sandals etc etc..

Why you were in the church, they were in the street with this big image.
Then after school close from 22, they now can eat/celebrate with thier family on the 25th. Google Santo tomàs for more details.

pato station: Those who see nothing wrong with this festival should cast their minds back to the time of Moses when Joshua, under pressure from the Israelites made a Golden Calf. While worshipping the calf, the Israelitese claimed that the uncanny festival was "to the Lord". How did the true God react? His anger burned that he almost exterminated those 'stiff-necked' Israelites (Exodus 32:1-33). Justifying this pagan festival will in no way make God happy. Compare Col 2:16,17

God bless you bro....

truthislight: lol, ma sis pp.

Dont mind me o.

I really am considering it.
Cremation i mean.

If you still think i should not let me know..

But really the dead are uncontiouse of nothing the bible says.

"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten, also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 9:6).

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10)
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Seriously i dont mind being cemented.

Why do you think i should not?
Peace

Don't tell me you are?

truthislight: did those scriptures say that the dust/ashes of the burnt is not going to the ground?

Infact how do you prevent their ashes from going to the ground if i may ask?

Even if it is acid will the acid not be poured to the ground?

Ok, lets say or assumed that if somebody does not get to the ground he will not be resurrected and there was a desolveed body in an acid Jar and God wish to resurrect that person, cant God break the jar?

Just asking though.

I no fit answer your questions oooo, maybe we fit check the scripture to know how righteous figures are buried...
Genesis 25:8-10 :Abraham
Genesis 23: 1-4: Sarah
Genesis 35:19-20: Rachel
Genesis 35:29: Isaac,
Genesis 49:33 and 50:1-13: Jacob
Genesis 50:26: Joseph (The Israelites went to great effort to bury his body in the Promised Land; they retained it for over 300 years in Egypt and after the Exodus during 40 years of wanderings before burying it.)

8 Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his people. 9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite, 10 the field Abraham had bought from the Hittites. There Abraham was buried with his wife Sarah

I tought we are to follow these people? anyway, will get back when am less busy...

Bidam: bros....na correct babe you dey call bro....na wa 4 u o..lol

I see, you sabi me welwel...

DanielNoble: thanks bro... People should know its not only about the name Christianity but Living according to the teachings of Christ... All this arguement is irrelevant.the question is are we Christlike? How is our effort in trying to know Christ better?...

I be sisi ooo...

Well, you are still speaking the truth. I trust there are still few that do practice Christ teachings.... We hope they continue and never give rooms to men traditions.

Some times, its hard to resist the OP, He always want to make points out of nothing.
I think arguing with Him is a wast of precious time. You are on point.

DanielNoble: In Antioch the Believers were first called christians,Antioch people called them christians cos of their way of life which is Christlike! They didnt name themselves christians but the antioch people did. Am trying to say christianity is more than a religion,its a relationship with God through Christ.we shouldnt be under the word christianity but we should be christlike in faith. We should live and act upon the Word Christ taught so that people will know us as christians by our attitude not just by name. WE ARE NOT OBSESSED ABOUT THE NAME CHRISTIANITY,WE ARE ONLY WORKING ON THE TEACHING OF CHRIST.

Very correct of you, it was the unbeliever that called them Christian. Because they practice Christ way of life.Its completely not a religion.
There is constant bickering in Religion where there is only love amongst believers in Christ (Christians).
Just as the church of Christ is not a building. It is a way of life by putting in full the teachings of Jesus.

The church is the people who practice those teachings. It is not sitting in church or following the laws set in the church that makes one a Christian.
But by practicing Jesus' teachings that makes him/her a Christian. Religion works from the outside in, and attempt to perfect the flesh.
whereas, Christianity works from the inside out through the helper/comforter of which is the Holy Spirit.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch

Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

When Christ is seen in someone, He/She is called a Christian.

Bidam: no...he is but a false one..u no see say he get followers

Bros a false prophet cannot be God' prophet at the first place because God is not false...!
A false prophet is one who pretend to be a true prophet of God. That is exactly what Muhammed did, and he succeeded by gaining followers!

Gideon20: not really ,they will only add some fees.

Sorry for the late reply, i have not be around. I asked this question for a reason, i can't start explaing here.
I hope the lord permits us, i will call you. God bless!

Delafruita: i hope not.anyway,am sure 30k shouldnt be too big a problem for brothers on this board.on my own,i'd contribute my widow's mite

Thats not a big some, no amount is too small in terms of need. Thanks for ur care towards a needy brother.

I wonder why should God creat a women at the first place if one should have to service his/herself..

Genesis 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

He is plainly telling us that, You ought not to do it by youself !

Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

What else do we need to understand from this passages?

Genesis 2:20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.
If Adam could do it by Himself, God wouldn't borther Giving Him a healper that can perfectly do it for Him.. ! This is valid for every other thing in a mans Life.

Rich4god: How do you know that "its not what God wants"...

Because several scriptures have proved that here, i won't repeat myself, scroll back if you care to!

Rich4god: I think its you that should suit yourself. Its just because of the date(25th) that makes you connect it with paganism. What will you say of eastern/orthordox catholics that celebrate theirs on jan 7th? or is there another pagan god that is being worship on jan 7th?

History told you what Xmas is, you said no, i love this feast too much, i must tag it with Christ birthday, that is ur cup of tea bro..everyone is entitle to his or her choice in life.
Christ-like is not how we want it, but How God wants it for us. Traditions of men was supposed to come to an end at the cross.
However, due to mans' inherent disobedience to God and not wanting to follow in His ways, we still have men traditons circulating in the church today.
Many of you Catholics still follow the heathen traditions taught to you through the generations, while few speak Christ on their lips or even know He has saved them...

Ask yourself, if God forgot to instruct the Church to celebrate his Son's birthday. By the way, this feast happens to be a worldly feast, How does this smell Godliness

girl king: Do you not understand that scripture? 'unto earth thou shalt return'. No conditions, no exceptions. Every one must return to earth. Every man Christain, pagan or atheist. And as u know every one is buried. Right? So it therefore means he is talking about burials! Somebori punch this guy !!!
Returning to earth there is symbolic. Just like when the bible mentioned a land flowing with milk and honey didn't mean the rivers were made of milk and the fountains of honey .
Guy It dosen't matter if u have your corpse dissolved in acid! U are S̤̥̈̊†̥̥ȋ̝̊̅̄ℓℓ dead and have "returned to the earth". Chikena

Man was formed from the earth and earth shall man returns, it's literal nothing symbolic there!
Cremation is a pagan act of burying the dead, it cant be supported by the Scripture.
The Old Testament has a few references to the disposal by burning in fire.
Some verses describe executions by Philistines or Babylonians. Burning of bodies and objects in ancient Israel were mostly reserved for idols, criminals or enemies:

Genesis 38:24: Judah initially ordered his pregnant daughter-in-law to be burned to death because she was guilty of prostitution. This action would have caused the death of the woman and her twin fetuses.

Leviticus 20:14: If a man marries both a woman and her mother, then all three "must be burned in the fire".
The passage is ambiguous: it is not known whether they would be stoned to death first, and their bodies burned later.

Leviticus 21:9: If the daughter of a priest becomes a prostitute, then she "must be burned in the fire."

Numbers 16:35: God exterminated Korah and 250 Israelite men with fire because they opposed Moses.

Judges 15:6: The Philistines burned Samson's wife and father-in-law to death.

In the book of Amos 2, God proclaimed a death curse on Moab because he had reduced the bones of the king of Edom to lime through burning.

Amos 2:1 This is what the LORD says: "For three sins of Moab, even for four, I will not turn back [my wrath]. Because he burned, as if to lime, the bones of Edom's king,

We read in the bible that Righteous figures were buried. I will produce scriptures as soon as i can.

@sweetnectar: you racca. you adulterous generation. you snakes. is that getting to you? how about buy swords upn selling everything you own? i wonder if a person intends to live will sell his properties and purchase a weapon?

Are you going against the Quran that says Jesus did not sin? or you just want to make a point out of nothing? See what the Quran says....
(Surah 19:19) I am only a messenger of your Lord, to announce to you a faultless/sinless/pure son.

Now lets see the sword events that you hold so strong..haha!

(Luke 22:35-38 Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" "Nothing," they answered. He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.)
The problem you are having is that you look at this Bible passage on its own without comparing it to the rest of the Bible, in this particular case, the narrative continues later that night: when Peter used a sword, Jesus rebuked him for doing so. A rebuke is recorded in three of the four gospels: (Matthew 26:52 '"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, ("for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.),Luke 22:51) ('But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him.'), and John 18:11 ('Jesus commanded Peter, "Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?"'). Mark does not record a rebuke, but does note that while one disciple used a sword, Jesus allowed himself to be arrested peacefully (implying that he disagreed with the use of force).

Two swords were not enough to defend Jesus and the eleven remaining apostles. Why then did Jesus say 'That is enough'?
Jesus ties the use of the sword to the Scripture being fulfilled ('And he was numbered with the transgressors').
So does the use of the sword only refer to this present occasion, when Jesus was to be arrested like a criminal?
On the other hand, there was not time for them to sell their cloak and buy a sword, suggesting Jesus was looking towards the future.
If Jesus was telling them to have a sword handy (for self defense), as they went into the world preaching the gospel, why then
do Acts and the epistles consistently show the disciples accepting persecution peacefully

Jesus' words was symbolic or metaphorical. He was not really telling them to buy or use swords.
He was simply using the metaphor of a sword to describe the current crisis. But the disciples took his words literally('"See, Lord, here are two swords"'), Jesus simply drops the subject by saying "'That is enough"'.
You may agree or not, it stands that There is no where did the scripture says while the apostles where pesecuted they did fought back, they understood when Jesus "touched the man's ear and healed him".

@sweetnecter:which is the gospel of Jesus? i could easily laugh here. but i will not because the salt on the wound is enough..

The same Gospel you decide to steal some of its word to fits in Muhammed?, if the food is poisonous, why eat a part of it and condemn the rest? does this make any sense to you muslims? The bible is curropted, yet you use it to validate Muhammed as the PROMISED COMFORTER....better start using your tongue to count your teeth.

@sweetnecter: and human keep sakes as pets. feeding and caring for it. snake is used to control rodents. well not all snakes bite or poisonous. not all humans kill snakes. see how terrible the bible missed the mark? i guess guess work no be good answer,)

The snake that came to Eve did not come to kill her instantly, but to distroy the relationship between man and God.
And He succeeded. Men who keep snakes as pets are Pagans. Snake as an animal is a symbolic of Satan.
Just like Egypt is a symbolic of sin. Take it or you leave it

@SWEETNECTA: your pastor need to go to "thinking school". There are babies born without fathers, today.)

What has my pastor got to do with this? No child is born without a father, You can't prove that. You are denying ur quran because it
also recognise the vision to Mary and the virgin-birth of Jesus in two passages. Surah 3:45-47 and Surah 19:16-22.
The quran points out Jesus unique birth you are here comparing it...i laugh at your despiration...hahahaha

@sweetnecta: the same satan who the bible recorded to have said to Jesus the world was given to him? bold enough to tell Jesus to worship him, etc, etc? you believe in fairytale. satan is still alive. i guess the head of the evil one was not struck hard. anyways.)

You have alot to learn ma broda...hahaha, Jesus defeated death, and He will finally put Satan to cease to exist on the last day. (Rev.20:7-10 )

@sweetnectar: ELijah did not die. who is greater? melchizdek did not die. who is greater?

Did you believe they did not? and yet you accused the bible to be corrupt? You kuran made it clear to you, Jesus is unique, it is left for you to know who is greater or who is not.

@sweetnecter: did John son of Zacharia sinned? what was his sin or that of his father?

You answer yourself!

@sweetnectar; and who was between God and melchizdek?

If you truelly love God you will learn not to take all words in the bible literally.
Check the Characteristics of Jesus and Melchizedek then you will know the answer to ur question is in the Bible.

Melchizedek: "Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever." (Heb. 7:3)

Jesus: "The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God." (Mark 1:1)

They both are Kings of Righteousness, Kings of Peace, High Priests of God, Appointed by God, Eternal ones, Association with Abraham, Anointed ones etc etc ((Gen 14:18)(Psalm 110:4) (Heb. 5:6)...help urself by studying the bible with open mind!

@sweetnecta: is there a reason someone will die for Abraham the father of faith? what reason will Moses have anyone to die for him when God is talking to him, directly?

Christ dieing and taking away our sins was foretold by prophets of the Old. Isaiah 53:11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light [of life] and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. You can say Prophet Isaiah is fraud if you want
But this is accurate with the New Testament concerning Christ death for mankind.
If you are not satisfied with this truth, you should question God, why didn't you (God) send Christ during Moses time.....
And mind you, when God talk to Abraham or Moses, there were withnesses, not like Muhammed the dreamer, Or the should i say the fabricator of revelations!

@WEETNECTA; i communicate with God, directly and i have no need of Jesus for anything.
I am doing fine. my needs are met by Allah.

Nothing new in "Allah" metting your needs, of course people who worship the OGUN, (god of iron), Buddhism, IROKO TREE, Hindus, etc are all prospered by thier gods too.
what makes yours different? Physical prosperity is no proof of the Most high God of Israel.

@sweetnecta: Biblical God is consistent. in OT He is 1. in NT He is reported to be father, son and ghost.

The Bible did not teach three Gods but one God. Right from the Old Testament, no where do we see that God is Three in One.
This is why i told someone here that Christianity is not a religion. Religion is a teaching and a tradition. Handed down through the generations.
Hence the Triune God doctrine. Christianity is a way of life given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. It's a means to cleanse our thoughts and hearts.
It’s a means to bring us to the feet of Christ. It’s a means to make requests through Christ that only our heavenly Father can answer.

Jesus gave this examples, He never claimed to be God Himself, He always need God in everything He does. This is enough for a prove that He is not God.
Jesus made it plain here:

(Luke 10:27 He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" In referrance to the OT:( Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.) and (Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.) What did Jesus change friend? If you read very well the bible, you will see that Jesus always qoute the Scripture when answering questions. Try to be fare enough sir!

@sweetnecter: only in the bible do you find this type of craze.

Thesame bible that Muhammed copied from by ending up in contradicting Himself?

@sweetnecter: and there we read that another comforter will come to guide to all things.
what he will hear from God he will say in his guiding to all truth. is that like Jesus finished, everything?

Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

When did the Holy spirit become a man that forth several wars and married plenty wives including a 9yrs old child?

Acts 2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.

Acts 2:4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. Mohammed was not born yet...the promise was already fulfilled. This same day Christ church was born. Get this facts mr sweetnectar!

John 16:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

The comforter would have come 600yrs later, then the Gospel would have been dead, because the Apostles wouldn't have gotten the physical strenght to spread the Gospel as they did.
Jesus sent them the comforter just after He left for His Father.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Was Muhammed sent through Jesus name? no, Muhammed contradicted Jesus all through in the Quran. He has not guided anything but distroy things.

My words is this: If the bible is not a true word of God, why then should He copy it and made it look like An angel gave him Revelation?
If the bible is corrupted, why still select some books to validate His claims?
If the Bible is fraud, why not leave the Bible prophets alone? why tagging them to a religion set by a mere man?
They where all before the birth of Islam, none of them got the revelation from God that they are Muslims, only Muhammed did God now reveal this to?.

tjslow: Worship him and obey his commandment, muslim for arabians, christian for europeans and what for africa fools, that why u all believe in physics and chemistry

Now i know why your first post validates Jesus and Muhammed... Its not how we want it, But how God wants it, He is not a God of confusion.
He is persistant.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints,

Logicboy03: All religions are false

I smell some turth in there...but you missed it!
There are many religions out there but only one "Christianity"

To be a Christian is to be the twin image of Christ. You have to imitate Him to the maximum.
Although, This is not an easy task as He was perfect and we are striving to perfection.
He was and is still perfect bro...

The prophet Isaiah many years before Christ writes: Isaiah 28:12 to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

Jesus invites us:
Matthew 11:28-30 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

All of the struggles to try to do enough for God...Jesus offers us a new freedom.
We experience his love, and we ve a new motivation to please God. It is not out of fear, but out of joy in knowing him. Why should i accept in fear/byforce?

The Apostle Paul experienced this and was inspired to write:

Romans 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Every one who believe that Jesus is the son of God, the Messiah? The Christ will keep declaring Romans 8:38-39.

tjslow: God is one, we can't all worship in d same way. Christian or muslim, any is way forward. Fact

Yes God is one and there is only one root to this God. The bible does not teach many roots...!

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Don't be decieved by false religions....

Sweetnecta: ^^^ see nigeria. adegboye is slapping everything. telling his sister to convert to disbelief [3 gods of father son and holy ghost].
see nigeria. i am a nigerian muslim. here you are talking. boko haraam is haraam.

woman, you no sey you should not be talking according to paul. abi you forget?

read my story of illustration of ojukwu. i now you be post nigerian civil war. heck. nigeria is still nigeria.

you can write the history of nigeria and dont mention ojukwu. if you do, we already agree that you have written a corrupted history.

you dont have to be an igbo or even a nigerian to pen the truth of the history of nigeria, to illustrate the history of africa. if you omit ojukwu's military record, we already know a gambian who writes about nigeria and mention the carrier of ojukwu including his campaign in america is a better read than yours.

hahahahahaha. woman. go get yourself a baguette. you deserve it. eat some jarlsberg cheese, too.

Adeboye is a human like Mohammed, they are not like Jesus who was sent by God direct from Heaven. Jesus did not sin, He did not use any kind of violence to deliver any one.
So Adeboye did not copy Christ in such manner. Boko Harams are just acting like thier prophet, convert them by force. This is a sick religion!
And mind you Paul did not prohibite women from defending thier faith. He was helped by women during his ministry, stop misinterpreting this..

Let me show you some thing you might not have understanding of about the coming of Jesus Christ to earth.
The Koran has liad and decieved you people to disbelieve the true Gospel of Christ.

Genesis 3:14-15 Then the Lord God said to the serpent, 'Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all animals, domestic and wild.
You will crawl on your belly, groveling in the dust as long as you live.
And I will cause hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring.
He will strike your head, and you will strike his heel."

Notice the bolded: Satan will have a short-lived victory, striking the heel of the woman's offspring.
But come to think of it? why the womans Offspring?

Throughout history, who is the only man born of a woman, and not from a man and a woman? Jesus is.

Satan would strike the heel of this woman offspring. But the offspring wold strike a blow to Satan's head.
We all know that the only way to kill a serpent is to strike its head. So what does this mean?

Satan dealt a blow to Jesus on the cross, when Jesus' "feet and hands" were nailed.
But Jesus' delivered the crushing blow to Satan. On the cross, Jesus overcame Satan. He conquered death.
He paid for th sins of all human, offering all forgivenes and a way to come back into relationship with God.
The way it used to be before The snake puts seperation between man and God.

God has been clear about revealing himself to us so that we could be in relationship with him.
A relationship, not a réligion, is God's ultimate purpose in creating us.
IN the beginning, Adam and Eve had direct communication with God, and all of their needs weré met.

Satan came in the form of a serpent and tempted Adam and Eve. Unfortunately they chose to believe Satan and disobey God.
As a result, they fell out of relationship with God. This is why God said that a woman's child would be Satan's enemy in the above chapter.

The prophet Isaiah wrote about this offspring: Isaiah 53:2-3 "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and familiar with suffering.

Could this be Mohammed Isaiah speaks about? of course No, evidently is JESUS
This is very plain!. He is talking about Jesus. And when was this penned? More than 600 years before Jesus Christ.
Isaiah continues...:

Isaiah 53:5-8 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us
peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

Right from the begining, God always said tht Jesus will come and he will die, as we read from Isaiah.
What would u think of God if, at the very last moment, he changed his mind? What if, after thousands of yrs promising Jesus,
God would change his mind and not ve Jesus die for us? God does not change his mind.

There is absolutely no use of Muhammed as Christ Has done it all. Muhammed missed it. This is where you Muslims err.
God never said Muhammed will replace Jesus in the Scripture. If it was to be, Jesus would say it, that a man will come after Him instead,
He promised His disciple the Holy Spirit, which they recieved very shortly after JESUS ressurected.
This promised was fulfilled many years Before Mohammed was born and till date the Holy Spirit is still conforting believers in Christ.
With the proof of the Holy spirit around us, it is obvious that no other mediator is needed.

God is a consistent God. He has never been interested in building a religion but a relatioship. Scriptures made plain!

As usual....bkabkablablabla.....

sweetnectar: Muhammad [sa] like Moses preached and got the victory over the disbelievers, the idolaters. and to say that Allah is identical to hubal is like saying paradise is identical to hell, each being a destination. Allah is Creator. hubal is created by man.

Muhammed did not preach He imposed his three godess to the Arabes. This Is what we see till date. Islam will use force to try to make itself the world religion. See Nigeria, Boko are killing, is it by force? Did Jesus kill those who rejected Him? No, you can't even prove anything. Just beating around the bush using urself for examples hahaha...you are wast of time. The bible you accused is thesame bible that provided the prophet you forcefully want to use to validate your falsehood. No God talk to Muhammad. But Satan, the Hadith has alot to prove. Leave matter ma broda in ADam and Eve Jare....hahaha

Sweetnecta: i wonder what happened when the Bible God said to the children of Israel that He is 1 God, through the mouth of Moses and turn around and says He is 3 through the mouth of Jesus, His son, the very Him killed by His creatures, His chosen tribe? the Bible is complete confusion and which ever verse is worthy of rescue, the Quran has. you can see the true God and the commands He laid out for man to follow in the Quran.


if you copy frosbel, following his footsteps, you will definitely say there is no hell for disbelievers. another bogus and morally inferior 'prophet' you said. it reminds me of an another comforter. there must have been one before. can you name a previous one. i can name many previous comforter before the last predicted in the another comforter statement. the another comforter was to hear from God, as a messenger and speak out what he heard from God without adding or deleting from it. He shall speak in the Name of God. In the 114 chapters of Quran, you have 114 verses "in the Name of God, The Merciful, The Beneficent". And i know that you have seen muslims in London. they face the Kaaba, in Makka, ultimately in prayers. God debased the jews when He told the muslims to return to the Qibla that is dear to the heart of the prophet [sa]. I know you can read. so read it in the Quran. it will not bite you. if you are scared, ask madame to hold your hand and let the boys be watching the door for the thing you are afraid of. Muhammad [sa] used to face Kaaba in Makka before hijr. since salah was ordained in Madina, it was natural to face Jerusalem since jews and christians were brothers in the monotheistic faiths. did you remember that Muhammad [sa] supported the Roman Christians over the Persian pagans in the wars they had, predicting that Rome will be victorious? Read that in the Quran; Chapter name is Rome.


let me kill two birds here with 1 stone; the story of Odumegu Ojukwu. Odumegu was an igbo by tribe. a nigerian by nationality. a blackman being an african by skin color. if an igbo man writes about him. and other igbo men write about him. each writing differently, but one saying that biafra is an independent state, even till now. though the others didnt say this. they were quite about the war, including his military carrier and his education. many years later, a ghanaian writes a novel about the very Ojukwu and reminded us of all that Ojukwu himself knew about himself, from family tree, to parents to birth all through his youth, and adulthood and all the way to his death and burial and even the contested will. Do we say because the igbo writers are his tribe men must therefore be correct when we see lies and incomplete facts on the pages? do we reject the masterpiece by the ghanaian just because he is not igbo and his writing was much later?

frosbel, when you claim that islam stole from the bible, you need to know that if it did, it would have stolen the fallacies as well, because it will not be able to discriminate the truth from the lies. the lies were ignored because the truth is from God. if you people think jews are exclusive holder of prophets, i am stating to you that you have lied. the reason for this thread is exactly that. the days of jewish exclusivity ended when Jesus left and left unaccepted. the story of the prophets is a human story. it started from when Adam was conceived to be created from soil and water and later when God allow the spirit soul of man He created to enter the dirt that became man, Adam. the one you must now follow is the another comforter who heard from God and repeated exactly what he heard to man, in order to bring them to the path that is straight. when you reject him, you have rejected Jesus, as well.


the bible prophesy stays in the bible and talks about you the jews and christians. if you apply it to the people at that time, you will find paul the self appointed disciple. you must read your history to find your false prophets induced by paul. if you spring this prophesy forward, look at your nation now and around the world; oyedepo, adegboye, chris, etc, etc. america is loaded with them. the path of Ibrahim [as] we follow. we are not jews or christians, the two were after Ibrahim had already passed. nothing Muhammad [sa] said that is not fulfilled. look into your bibles, from the mouth of prophets as discover that Muhammad [sa] meet all qualities of prophet. he fits all the prophesies of prophet. he did not say anything of his own. what he heard from God as the Source, he repeated to man. God put His Words in his mouth. He spoke and it came true. nothing he said is unfulfilled in its time. Jesus had not returned though the bible said he would return before the 12 disciples died. i guarantee that you will die before Jesus returns. By God i would have died too. my prayer is that i do not want to be here when Jesus returns because the anti christ will be here, too. i hope you can read and get the wisdom in what i wrote?

@sweetnecta, can't you see it just can't work? how can you claim GOD ALMIGHTY, gave Mohammed a vision were you there? You believed this by faith and want us to disbelieve the Bible how intelligent is that? The bible predited lots of false prophets will rise, the strongest one that arises was Mohammed, He uses the fact that Moses said God will send a man just like himself.
But Mohammed has no semilarity as Moses in any way, so how is He HIM that was supposed to come?

Jesus made it clear that No one can access His father but through hIm. Isn't this plain enough for Muslims. Just to mention few matched semilarity between Moses and Jesus.
We read in the Exodus 1:22 when an evil king tried to kill Moses as a baby. And that of Jesus in Matthew 2:16, King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. I don't need to start up listing them, there are so many. Moses body was taken to heaven, also Jesus body. They were both sent to Egype to preserved thier lives ( Exodus 2:3-4) (Matthew 2:13-15). They both saved a woman at a well (Exodus 2:15-19) (John chapter 4). MOHAMMED on the other hand, molest women. He is a true "A MONSTER OF HISTORY". It is as clear as night and day.

How can a human being with reasonable common sense would believe that Jesus Christ and Mohammad were both ISLAM prophets sent by the same God.
One preached compassion,love your enemies and forgivness,the other absolute disgrace.

sweetnecta: if you copy frosbel, following his footsteps, you will definitely say there is no hell for disbelievers.

Point of correction, i don't copy anyone, if you have been following frosbel's post, you will see that we don't agree in everything.
It's crazy how you guys come to conclude Islam has been the relegion of all time prophet, yet God never revealed this to all prophet but only Mohammed?

Gideon20: My name is gideon yerima, held from chikun local gov't of kaduna state, i study industrial chemistry at kaduna state university and am presently goin to 300level by the grace of God.am in a family of 6 i.e 5boys, and a girl.
my dad had another family which i call his new family, he never cares about us since he got married to his new wife. my mum had to work hard to feed the family to the extend she used up the capital for her fire wood business to sustain the family, my dad started sending money when ever he wishes,he don't even knw hw we are surviving, it reached a point wen he no longer sends money or call, and non of us even knws were he stays. As a result of that my younger ones could not continour with school cos my mum couldn't afford to pay,but for me, i was stil in school, i had no money to even buy the rest of the handouts remainin for the section,and sometimes my room mate help with the food, but to the glory of God i was able to finish the section on 23 november last year,
And immediatly, i started lookin for work to be able to raise something for my skul fees.a family member helped me and i was able to raise 15000, i quickly told my dad weither he could complete the rest, but he said he has no money to give me,my mum and younger ones had to travelled to the village for christmas because there was notin for them here i also lata join them at the village during new year and reachin the village we had a meetin and i told them everytin includin my skul fees but no body was whilin to help me,all they keep telin me was to go and meet my dad again which i dont even knw were he stays and he woldnt want anybody to knw and immediatly i dnt spent much time at the vilage i called my dad to tel him abt my skul l fees but to my greatest suprise he dnt ask hw my mum and al of us are doin he jst start gettin mad at me for no reason i was realy shucked he then told me he has no money to give me, that i shuld do wat i hav to do.i was realy angry i call the vilage and told my mum wat happend and ryt nw i dnt knw who to go to and what to do abt my situation but one thing i knw is God wil surely help me cos we dnt chose to be like these...please i need help and prayers my number is 08034275570 i also need ur advice.the registration has started which will last for only two weeks, i jst cant stop thinkin abt my life hav'n made it these far.
i pray God wil use somebody to touch my life,..the fees is 45000 naira and i was able to raise 15000,but now i need 30,000naira..my account number is 0013694186 Gideon Yerima access bank

I see it, will it be too late by the end of this month?

Delafruita: post the fees and account number

Exactly what i expected Him to do!

Rich4god: Hmmm... Am playing with fire. You be volcano?
Are you in 9ja?
I got my base in more than 30 states of nigeria but right now am in kano. So whats your take? Waiting for your reply.

You continue to play with fire...

Rich4god: This one na you know o. Am celebrating our Lord Jesus Christ and you are saying am copying pagans. Did the pagans tell you that they too were celebrating Christ.

Well, the choice is yours, suit yourself!!! History has defined CHristmas and its origin, but you insist. Its wrong. Suit itself bro.....

Rich4god: Am not celebrating a pagan feast. Am rejoicing that our Lord Jesus came into this world to redeem (me)us.

So its all about how you want it not how God wants it??

How did you manage to recall all these step by step after ur visit? Well, I personally don't need extra visit of hall before knowing what is wrong or right. Most of the items in ur list are not considered as Sin. I think The scripture is enough to guide us. Just my opinion anyway!

In the Old Testament, near Israel's beginnings, worship of a false god called Baal began, and consisted of worshiping the heavenly bodies, of which the moon is the largest in the sky. The biblical and historical evidence shows that the Moabites worshiped Baal. The pre-Islamic sources showed that the Meccans took over the idol *Hubal* from the Moabites and tht Allah and Hubal are actually identical. Thus, whether the Mecans are Ishmaelites or not, the evidence is still strong and sufficient to conclude that Muhammad's Allah is actually Hubal, i.e., the Baal of the Moabites and thus not the God of the Bible. Mohammad incorporated the characteristics and names of various other gods into his new monotheistic msg about Allah, but he apparently started the construction of Allah with Hubal, the chief god of the Meccans. How different Is Islam and Hindus ?

The pre-Islam pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making a pilgrimage to Mecca, running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah, kissing the black stone, killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god, throwing stones at the devil, fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

I have nit been to Mecca, but have seen recent months news shows that shows modern day Muslims practice these very rituals.

Muslims are worshiping the same false god that people ve been worshiping since early times as far back as Israel's beginnings.

Muslims will say you don’t need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved! Muslims will admit that Jesus was a true prophet, but deny that He was the Messiah, the Son of God, and also deny that He died on the cross and rose again. Does that make sense? Absolutely not! Islam belief cannot be truth becis Christ Himself said He was the Messiah, and said He was the Son of God!

John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

That would make Him a false prophet according to the Muslim beliefs! How twisted is that? But it’s a lie believed by one and a half billion people. We absolutely must believe that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh, was crucified for our sins and rose again. This is the gospel!

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Ther is no salvation in any other name but Jesus! Not Mohammed, not Buddha; no other name no never.

Sweetnecta: judaism is a religion made up by men and was not what was revealed to any prophet [as]. no prophet worshiped God by it, just like no prophet worshiped God by christianity. jew is an ethnic group. and they developed religious identity of their own based on their heritage.

God said to Moses make prayer of standing, bowing and prostration of face in My remembrance. Jesus demonstrated this prayer was relevant in his time and it is relevant now because Muhammmad [sa] the prophet of our time was commanded to do the same and tell believers to do it.
Hindus believe in One God. yet they worship through many gods. same way the children of Israel by thie golden calf. unless you will say the golden calf is their yahweh?

Who commanded Mohammed'? Whats you proof? How many of Mohammed kind have come and go and they did have followers till date even if their numbers are not large. The only reason Islam Is wide spread is because Mohammed used force to convert the while of Arabic nations. Islam Do not have one God you can go ahead and deceive ignorants. You are not different from the Hindus in this area!!