₦airaland Forum

*yawns*

Is Nigeria a country? Of murderous neigbours, and treacherous 'intelligentsia'?


I thought Awolowo said it was a geographical expression? When did it become a country, let alone started aspiring to develop?
Over 50 million of the population would rather not call her home; abeg split the darn thing already biko!

Will give him benefit of the doubt.

Good move.


I hope this comes to fruition for the benefit of the good people of Imo State and Nigeria in Nigeria.

Keep the banner flying!

^^^^
Ribadu was also appointed by the Presidency, so was Jega, and in another clime Dors Akunyili.

Sometimes it's the personality that matters at other times it is the institution. It's not rocket science to get an agency to function. Square peg, square holes.

@Ekt bear, good question. In reality most company wait for another stream of corpers so that they can continue to enjoy that quality work for far less the price. A few are however retained. Banning them from bank and private firms will force such firms to fill the vacancy permanently.

There is always room for more people.

^^^^

Slowing the men behind the mask are being exposed!

alj_harem:
Point B, Don't let Niaraland decieve you. There is a lot of killing in the south as well.

I am very informed; cannot be deceived by Nairaland! As per the lot of killings going on in the south, that is a figment of your imagination.

The problem southern have with northerners is different to each region.

I am listening

The yorubas because, they don't like playing second fiddle

Not true. No one likes to play second fiddle in his own country, so don't make it look like a Yoruba problem because it is not. The Hausa/Fulani are causing trouble for the same reason. Igbos certainly don't like playing second fiddle. So this point is not valid for just Yorubas.

the igbos because of the war which was a very painful and sad event

Igbo's have always been targeted by killings in the North. And that is what led to the war - directly.
So the argument that Southerners are tired of being killed in the North is very valid and still hold true.

the south-south because of the oil that they want to have it all to themselves and the north is extra 60 million mouths to feed.

The South-South are also tired of getting bullets in return for oil milked from their soil. Saro Wiwa was executed by a North led cabal; don't let that escape your mind. Besides, Northern madness know no distinction especially when attacking church and killing Christians who are mostly southerners (SS inclusive).

what else. But one thing you fail to realise is that even the so called southern Nigeria is FAR WORSE than the northern nigeria.

Another figment of your imagination.
When was the last time you heard Yoruba man killing Hausa/Fulani or any other tribes in SW? Have you heard of Igbo versus Ibibio? Igbo versus Ijaw? In which was is the South worse than the North?


Let me give you an example.

How many militant groups do you find in the north compare to the south ?

You are doing the counting, tell me?

The amount of militancy is directlly proportional to the level of violence in each region.

Not true. The Boko Haram terror group have killed more innocent civilians and police than MEND/OPC combined.

That is why i kept saying Boko haram is a Nigerian problem rather than push it to the north.

Boko Harem is a Nigeria problem with Northern origin; and no one will loose sight of that; and the fact that Northern leader are abetting as I don't think they are too timid to speak out.

No one likes to die whether in the north or in the south. Everyone wants peace and enjoyment while we spend our vain lifes on earth. But in Nigeria, we have some certain elements among us in each group that have forgotten the vanity to life and they use gullible youths like those of us we see on Nairaland who already had the tendecy to be bigoted to be manupulated by them for there own personal gains and power.

There is nothing to manipulate; most discussion here are based on newspaper report. Unless the media are the one doing the manipulations, but then again how about the dead bodies, and burnt churches, are those manipulations too?

@topic

I'm not sure of the veracity of this letter; but it does make sense to keep the Biafran Army on yorubaland if the latter acquiesced on the basis of the fact that they possess no army.

You don't liberate a people and abandon them. Ojukwu was rather altruistic to a fault!

For a while, I thought it was Sahara Reporters at it again.

Thank God the news is not true. Northern Nigeria is fast immersing itself in pool of blood!

Torch1:
Where is Gowon??

Gowon? What does he have to do will this?

alj_harem:
and u think the best way to do that is to kill northerners as well ?

It is not good to kill anyone (Northerners or Southerners); and frankly that is the problem most southerners majorly have with the North. Why all these killing every now and then? Why is their no such killings in the South? Don't you find that baffling?

alj_harem:
How can northern leader[b]s[/b] and elder[b]s[/b] set up an organisation just to be killing us ?

To protest against losing power and to make GEJ regime meaningless; but in their miscalculation, they might just hasten the disintegration of the country.

Who doesn't know that the Northern leaders and elders are in league with Boko Harem.
Let's see how far this macabre dance of death will lead us.

Sanusi appears to be flying blind with his policy inconsistency!

Does this mean CBN will continue to deplete foreign reserve to defend the Naira?

Francis-1:
These youths should concern themselves with Ohaneze matters

Neither Jonathan nor Boko Haram are Igbo. Ohanezxe is about Igbo not about GEJ or the North.

The bigger picture is that some tribes are trying intimidate and frustrate him because he is from Ijaw, a minority tribe. The Ohaneze youth would have none of that, and it is their prerogative to voice it out. I think they are on point!

jason123:
Oga PointB
The only place I see voting on tribal sentiments in 2015 is the SE and NW, why? Because of the sense of entitlement. Agreed the SS, NC and SW might have sympathy towards the SE but that about it. Most will vote for Fashola or Rochas or Amechi. No one cares again. The suffering is too much.

The North killing christains? Did the SW not kill Northerners in the early 2000's? Did Delta state not issue a warning for Northerners to leave?
Tribal politics you say? What about the "Azikwe" saga with GEJ?

Agreed, I can only speak for myself and myself alone but I must tell you this, if you think Nigeria is as you describe on NL where wars can start spontaneously and end miraculously because of presidency, a country where Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo can cut a chunk of people to their land and let some go; then, my brother, you are dead wrong!

About the impeachment thing, GEJ has not done something to deserve impeachment, if he does, he will be impeached and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it! That is the gospel truth!

SE cannot vote 'tribally' for GEJ. SE is basically Igbo, and GEJ is Ijaw. Tribalism is favoring for your tribesman. SE voted for GEJ a well known and certified Ijaw-man for both tactical and strategic reason, never tribalism.

I wonder why that is hard for some of you to understand. It has to be because you lots are used to voting for tribal reason.


About the GEJ impeachment rubbish, let's see him impeached already, then we shall see what or what will not happen. Any other talk is speculation!

jason123:
[i]*yawns* [/i]here we go again. You want Itsekiris and Binis to join Biafra without respecting their opinion. Why the mess can't you stand on your own? Must people join a republic with the SE or the SW?? Must we all have the same destinies?? No proper SSouthern (not Aniomas or Ilajes) will join the SE OR SW, if he wants the SS to remain ONE! What the E.ff will I be doing with a Biafran Passport when I understand Yoruba well?? What the mess will people like gareth, kpogede, Edo girl, Siopke* etc be doing in Biafra?? What the mess will people like Johndeo be doing in Odua?

Forget the internet, because I was not brought up in Delta state does not mean I am not part of an organisation who discusses the best interest of Deltans here in the UK. All these internet SS/SE is only political and nothing more. Its like saying SS/SW because ACN has Edo and Burutu in delta state.

All these crap to make the SS partisan will not work, it will only remain on the internet for some of your guys to self-service on, nothing more.

Stop bringing bini into Itsekiri matter, and like I said in some of my post, what become of Itsekiri and the event of a split is there problem. And no one is asking anyone to join Biafra, because there is no Biafra . There is Nigeria ruled by GEJ.

jason123:
What year are we in now? end of 2011 my friend! A 60's style biafra war can't happen, why? Because we have moved and mature with time.
As I said, no one should exempted or blamed but we have to move on. The south used tribalism to vote GEJ, it will not be the same in 2015. People are moving on from that "my pesin" mentality to "OUR pesin" mentality.
You can already see people shouting Rochas and Fashola even though most are not from the same ethnic group. WE ARE MATURING!

I agree, I have always been an advocate for US TO LIVE WITH HIM but the idea that if he is impeached, all hell will let lose is a lie! Right now, people are tired and the removal of subsidy among other policies next year will force people to a revolution, yes, even Ijaws will join because antipeople's policies does not know an Igbo man from a Yoruba man. An Itsekiri and an Ijaw man want the same thing, better health services, quality education, security etc. If a man does not provide these for the people, he is of no use. Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

If today, he is impeached (God forbid), it must have taken Igbo, Ijaw, Yoruba, and Hausa senators to impeach him. Nothing will happen, that is, if he was constitutionally impeached.

Oga Jason,
You are being naive to be frank.

How can you sit in your corner and determine for others when the nation is mature and should move on?
The North has been slaughtering Christians and southerners  since the 50s? When will they mature?
The SW played tribal politics, even up to 2011? Have you preached maturity to them?

The point is that you can only speak for yourself. Not your parent, siblings, your friends, not nairaland and certainly not Nigeria. The way Nogeria will vote (or not) in 2015 depends on the candidates presented, and not your maturity fantasy. We are not there yet. 2015 is River Rubicon, and you can say what will happen before, in the middle, or after it. So quit your maturity preaching and watch and pray.

As for GEJ, there is not point continuing the argument. I will end by saying, based on the current trend in Nigeria, brooding his impeachment is one of those fantasies of yours. It is not going to happen, stakes are too high.

@topic

@ Asiwaju Party of Nigeria (ACN)

But what took Bafarawa so long?

jason123:
What doom? LOL. So, if the senates votes to impeach him, Nigeria is doomed?? You must be joking! What, the SS will fight a war? The SE will fight a war for the SS? Or a new militant group with GEJ'S name plastered all over it will fight a war for GEJ?? Or MEND will pick up arms after they have been granted amnesty? Or the "South" will fight against "God knows who"?
C'mon man, people do not have time for that again. The military will never accept that. Any region that tries BS will be crushed, the NORTH and SOUTH knows this. The Ijaws know this(odi and co), with all due respect to by brothers, the whole SS knows this. The SE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD TO TRY A WAR AGAIN, your elders knows this. The SW are too "cowardly" (in your own words) to try anything. So what war? Oil war? Lol. In as much as I know this is not the 60's, it took the Nigerian army 12 days to crush ND republic.

Guy, no one wants to face a war that we will never know the end.

In as much as everyone knows that Nigeria is a contraption for neo-colonisation, we simply cannot help it. Its all we have got. In about 100 years time, some dialects will die and we will have less than 20 major languages from 350. This will keep happening, be rest assured.

Niaraland detaches people from the reality at times. How many NDealtans want ND republic? Let's start from there. Once you know the TRUE answer to that question, it will smack you in the face, that there will be no war. At worst, militancy like MEND, OPC and now BK.

Anyway, I wont blame you. You are neither here no there so stop deluding yourself. The only ND who scorns ND republic or Biafra (SS/SE) is you, and we all know why. So quit pretending you count for much!
Go ahead and ask your Senate to impeach him for whatever reason and let's see how it goes down. It is not by mouth!

ak47mann:
bolded man i thought my yoruba people are accommodating :oWOW,

Some bunch of treacherous hypocrites, aptly exposed and described by their bigoted friend.

jason123:
Ezeokwu! You hit the nail on its head.
There is a difference when a man is voted based on competence and when is man is voted based on tribalism/regional paraposim.
Is the SS any better off? But again, I can understand why they behave the way they did during the elections.

Lost a lot? In what sense? Please, can someone show me who lost and gained in the after-math of the election? The SOUTH lost a lot. There was a southern solidarity during the election and that is what gave GEJ the victory, NOT 99% VOTES OR THE WIDE SPREAD OF IGBOS IN THE NATION. He knows this, OBJ also knows this.

According to the link Harem brought out, the NW gained more than any region so what is all this bragging about? Try to read the link, you'll understand the bigger picture.

Why was Obansanjo voted for by the SW in 2007? Why did SW voted for GEJ in 2011?
So when one group vote for a president of the choice it is tribalism, whereas for the other it is not?

My friend, stop supporting useless hypocrites, unless of course you are one yourself!


And I don't know what you guys are calling bragging by winners or losers as there is none. The point is that GEJ is Nigeria at the moment, and we must all live with him.
And maybe in 2011 if we decide to go for David Mark, a lesser evil!

jason123:
Guy, I admit, I goofed in the elder/youth stuff.
Back to the topic, their statement is kinda stupi.d. Think about it.
Who wants a war in Nigeria? Forget the "tales my moonlight" story on NL. I don't want a war neither do the ND want a war. So because of one man, GEJ, Nigeria will go to war? No Nigeria? C'mon, its ridiculous. Nigerians have reached or are reaching an age of maturity where people do not care if you are Igbo, Hausa or Efik.

If GEJ is impeached today (God forbid) based on incompetence, there is NOTHING these youths can do except "shout". After all, the senate has the power, don't they?

When the North said Nigeria will be ungovernable, did they not lose??
It's only on the pages of the internet youths make mouth. There will still be a Nigeria because the project is more and more convincing as the day goes by, with or without GEJ or who ever is there. No region dares try to make trouble if he was removed constitutionally. Thus, the statement, "crying more than the bereaved".

No one want war, and GEJ can not be impeached on the basis of some flimsy incompetence allegation by malicious regional media. We see through the devices and schemes of various people who are not happy that a minority from Ijawland one the oil producing region is at the helm of affairs.

And we do not see GEJ as one man, we rather see him as someone who has the support of over 22 million people. GEJ can  only be removed by natural cause or by ballot.

Forget what you hear on Nairaland, scheming out GEJ by fraudulent constitutional means will spell doom. Those who love this country should not contemplate it. This is what those youth are saying.

And they are not alone!

@topic,

Sanusi Lamido Sanusu, Central bank governor again is relevant here. He has shown us the nature of things in his bigoted way. So we are are all at alert and watching how things unfold.

By Sanusi Lamido Sanusi

[url]http://elombah.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=57%3Asanusi-lamido-sanusi&id=868%3Ayorubas-are-the-problem-with-nigeria-by-sanusi-lamido-sanusi&Itemid=65[/url]

In sum, the Yoruba political leadership, as mentioned by Balarabe Musa, has shown itself over the years to be incapable of rising above narrow tribal interests and reciprocating goodwill from other sections of the country by treating other groups with respect. Practically every crisis in Nigeria since independence has its roots in this attitude.

i. The Yoruba elite and area-boy politics;
ii. Igbo marginalisation and the responsible limits of retribution; and
iii. The Yoruba Factor and "Area-boy" Politics.

See also The Adulteress' Diary by Lamido Sanusi

My views on the Yoruba political leadership have been thoroughly articulated in some of my writings, prime among which was " Afenifere: Syllabus of Errors" published by This Day (The Sunday Newspaper) on Sept 27, 1998. There was also an earlier publication in the weekly Trust entitled " The Igbo, the Yoruba and History"  (Aug. 21, 1998).
[b]In sum, the Yoruba political leadership, as mentioned by Balarabe Musa, has shown itself over the years to be incapable of rising above narrow tribal interests and reciprocating goodwill from other sections of the country by treating other groups with respect. Practically every crisis in Nigeria since independence has its roots in this attitude.
The Yoruba elite were the first, in 1962, to attempt a violent overthrow of an elected government in this country. In 1966, it was the violence in the West which provided an avenue for the putsch of 15th January. After Chief Awolowo lost to Shagari in 1983 elections, it was the discontent and bad publicity in the South-West which led to the Buhari intervention.
When Buhari jailed UPN governors like Ige and Onabanjo, the South-Western press castigated that good government and provided the right mood for IBB to take over power. As soon as IBB cleared UPN governors of charges against them in a politically motivated retrial, he became the darling of the South-West. When IBB annulled the primaries in which Adamu Ciroma and Shehu Yar Adua emerged as presidential candidates in the NRC and SDP, he was hailed by the South-West. When the same man annulled the June 12, 1993 elections in which Abiola was the front-runner, the South-West now became defenders of democracy.

When it seemed Sani Abacha was sympathetic to Abiola, the South-West supported his take-over. He was in fact invited by a prominent NADECO member to take over in a published letter shortly before the event. Even though Abiola had won the elections in the North, the North was blamed for its annulment. When Abdulsalam Abubakar started his transition, the Yoruba political leadership through NADECO presented a memorandum on a Government of National Unity that showed complete disrespect for the intelligence and liberties of other Nigerians.
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Subsequently, they formed a tribal party which failed to meet minimum requirements for registration, but was registered all the same to avoid the violence that was bound to follow non-registration, given the area-boy mentality of South-West politicians. Having rejected an Obasanjo candidacy and challenged the election as a fraud in court, we now find a leading member of the AD in the government, a daughter of an Afenifere leader as Minister of State, and Awolowo´s daughter as Ambassador, all appointed by a man who won the election through fraud.

Meanwhile, nothing has been negotiated for the children of Abiola, the focus of Yoruba political activity. In return for these favours, the AD solidly voted for Evan Enwerem as Senate President. This is a man who participated in the two-million- man March for Abacha´s self-succession. He also is reputed to have hosted a meeting of governors during IBB´s transition, demanding that June 12 elections should never be de-annulled and threatening that the East would go to war if this was done. When Ibrahim Salisu Buhari was accused of swearing to a false affidavit, the Yoruba political elite correctly took up the gauntlet for his resignation.

When an AD governor, Bola Tinubu, swears to a false affidavit that he attended an Ivy League University which he did not attend, we hear excuses.

For so many years, the Yoruba have inundated this country with stories of being marginalised and of a civil service dominated by northerners through quota system. The Federal Character Commission has recently released a report which shows that the  South-West accounts for 27.8% of civil servants in the range GL08 to GL14 and a full 29.5% of GL 15 and above. One zone out of six zones controls a full 30% of the civil service leaving the other five zones to share the remaining 70%. We find the same story in the economy, in academia, in parastatals.

Yet in spite of being so dominant, the Yoruba complained and complained of marginalization. Of recent, in recognition of the trauma which hit the South-West after June 12, the rest of the country forced everyone out of the race to ensure that a South-Westerner emerged, often against the best advice of political activists.

Instead of leading a path of reconciliation and strong appreciation, the Yoruba have embarked on short-sighted triumphalism, threatening other "nationalities" that they ( who after all lost the election) will protect Obasanjo ( who was forced on them). No less a person than Bola Ige has made such utterances.

To further show that they were in charge, they led a cult into the Hausa area of Sagamu, murdered a Hausa woman and nothing happened. In the violence that followed, they killed several Hausa residents, with Yoruba leaders like Segun Osoba, reminding Nigerians of the need to respect the culture of their host communities.  This would have continued were it not for the people of Kano who showed that they could also create their own Oro who would only be appeased through the shedding of innocent Yoruba blood.

I say all this, to support Balarabe Musa´s statement, that the greatest problem to nation-building in Nigeria are the Yoruba Bourgeoisie. I say this also to underscore my point that until they change this attitude, no conference can solve the problems of Nigeria. We cannot move forward if the leadership of one of the largest ethnic groups continues to operate, not like statesmen, but like common area boys.

iii.The Igbo Factor and the Reasonable Limits of Retribution.

The Igbo people of Nigeria have made a mark in the history of this nation. They led the first successful military coup which eliminated the Military and Political leaders of other regions while letting off Igbo leaders. Nwafor Orizu, then Senate President, in consultation with President Azikiwe, subverted the constitution and handed over power to Aguiyi-Ironsi.  Subsequent developments, including attempts at humiliating other peoples, led to the counter-coup and later the civil war. The Igbos themselves must acknowledge that they have a large part of the blame for shattering the unity of this country.

Having said that, this nation must realise that Igbos have more than paid for their foolishness. They have been defeated in war, rendered paupers by monetary policy fiat, their properties declared abandoned and confiscated, kept out of strategic public sector appointments and deprived of public services. The rest of the country forced them to remain in Nigeria and has continued to deny them equity.

The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have conspired to keep the Igbo out of the scheme of things. In the recent transition when the Igbo solidly supported the PDP in the hope of an Ekwueme presidency, the North and South-West treated this as a Biafra agenda. Every rule set for the primaries, every gentleman´s agreement was set aside to ensure that Obasanjo, not Ekwueme emerged as the candidate. Things went as far as getting the Federal Government to hurriedly gazette a pardon. Now, with this government, the marginalistion of the Igbo is more complete than ever before. The Igbos have taken all these quietly because, they reason, they brought it upon themselves. But the nation is sitting on a time-bomb.

After the First World War, the victors treated Germany with the same contempt Nigeria is treating Igbos. Two decades later, there was a Second World War, far costlier than the first. Germany was again defeated, but this time, they won a more honourable peace. Our present political leaders have no sense of History. There is a new Igbo man, who was not born in 1966 and neither knows nor cares about Nzeogwu and Ojukwu. There are Igbo men on the street who were never Biafrans. They were born Nigerians, are Nigerians, but suffer because of actions of earlier generations. They will soon decide that it is better to fight their own war, and may be find an honourable peace, than to remain in this contemptible state in perpetuity.

The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have exacted their pound of flesh from the Igbos. For one Sardauna, one Tafawa Balewa, one Akintola and one Okotie-Eboh, hundreds of thousands have died and suffered.

If this issue is not addressed immediately, no conference will solve Nigeria´s problems.


By Sanusi Lamido Sanusi

jason123:
]Talk about crying more than the bereaved[/color][/size]. Even Ijaws and SSoutherners are complaining. Useless elders! Instead of them to castigate when needed and praise when needed, all they know is a55licking *spits*.

Olodo. Where was it written elders. It's said Youth.

And why are you holding brief for them? Why are you crying more than the bereaved yourself? Is Ohaneze Yoruba, let alone Itsekiri, for you to even imagine calling them useless elders. Is that how you go about calling other people's elder's useless but would not want yours called same?

For you information, Nigeria is a democracy, and those youth are free to issue whatever communique they deem fit as what happens in the top, affects the bottom. And as far as I am concerned, they have spoken well. If you are looking for useless elders or youth, please search in your backyard where there is deafening silence on Nigeria issue.

X-mind:
Niger State Governor, Dr.  Muazu Babangida Aliyu, on Saturday  warned  Muslims that  allegedly  engaged in suicide bombings in parts of the country  that they stand the risk of going to hell if they did not desist from the dastardly act,  because  Islam  forbids the taking of another person’s live  for unjust cause.

Aliyu , who gave the warning  the  at the 1st Mu'azu Babangida Aliyu  National Literary Colloquium with the theme “Building Intellectual Power to Fix Nigeria”, held  by the  Association of Nigeria Authors in Minna,  said that all disputes should be resolved in a peaceful manner instead of  embarking on ungodly  acts.

http://tribune.com.ng/sun/news/5626-suicide-bombers-will-go-to-hell-gov-aliyu

Please tell them ooo. And also add that there will be no 72 virgins, cos most virgins make it to heaven, only a very few make it to hell.
So if they want 72 virgins, the better be good muslims, not murderers and suicide bombers!

@Topic,

This show there is strong mutual respect between the Igbos and the other minorities in the SS.
Throwing the weight behind and Ijaw man, buries all antagonism of the past.

I am beginning to appreciate the strategy of Ohaneze. It is political sophistication at at acme.

I have said it earlier, that GEJ is impeached or force to resign, there would be war! Nigerians have voted him, we should allow him to work. it's a simple as that.

Any region who does not want GEJ should secede, and I can bet you, no one will force you to stay!

The Igbos just want Nigeria to work, or it's to your tent Oh Israel is Nigeria is not working.

Nigeria is the first choice for Igbos as can be seen by their ubiquitousness, but of course, it is important also to make back-up plans.

Ileke-IdI:
COMPREHENSION IS INDEED A PROBLEM.

Go back and re-read my initial post carefully this time, because you deserve no explanation.

Your first post is actually idi.otic. When Boko Haram finishes targeting the so-called corrupt politicians in South, who did you think the will turn their guns on? Themselves? Or ordinary people?

People open their mouth here and there to wish for thing they don't understand upon themselves, and they think they make sense. Boko Haram should target corrupt politicians in the South indeed!

Well perhaps like you have been correctly told, they should start and end in your village. They are certainly not welcome in my part of the South.

Ileke-IdI:

Boko Haram is welcomed in the South when they get their priorities right. Innocent citizens are not their problem, corrupt politicians are. Boko Haram is urgently needed in the Nigerian society.