EmmanuelScott1:
During that time there is no law, Abraham is not under the law. Read the scripture and understand

Renforce:
This one has never open a chapter of the bible

BePrepared:
Hope u are OK?
Abraham had fornication with Sarah his wife and Keturah who he married after Sarah death

Graciousnaija:
Galatians 5 verse 19 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Kobojunkie:
So you didn't even realize that all you said on this had no biblical root yet to stated it as if fact?

illmatic101:

I can't believe this is happening in my lifetime. CHAI!!!

Me that is doing the do know that it's a sin.

brosom:
Who told u it doesn't?

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I know it doesn't because I actually know much or what is written, at least compared to you.

Kobojunkie:
Let's start with Abraham, a fornicator? Where is this written of?

MrBrownJay1:


are you talking about the same Abraham that was about to sacrifice his own son Isaac for god?!?!?!? thats the man that you claim was under NO LAW?!?!?



i probably know much more about the bible than 99.99999% of the gullible xtians who only listen to bastard in robes in church on sundays for enlightment, instead of READING THEIR HOLYBOOK.



yes, having sex with a woman that is NOT your wife, is considered fornication... which many did in the bible and were not punished for it. dont focus on the messenger, focus on THE MESSAGE and go read your holybook for confirmation.

Holiness2100:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdqHycwGJFo

Renforce:
Lol! You are an EDUCATED comedian sir

osazsky:
the fact that a great man fornicated doesn't gives it justification or makes it right..if obj steals it doesn't make stealing write...or the fact that A committed murder and got away with it doesn't means that if B does commit same murder he will go scot free..there is wat we call grace and head way them carry come.i know person way he be say the first day he had sex he got HIV meanwhile guys have been knacking for 10 years without condom yet no malaria infection he shock u abi...this doesn't make fornication right also u fit run out of luck..apply wisdom love your neighbor' believe in christ .we go dey heaven last last

Bornsinner7:
It is written many false prophets shall arise and they shall deceive many

brosom:
What do u mean agreement was reach? Has there be a sex without an agreement? Do u mean there is holy and unholy agreement in regards to sex?

brosom:
ok, I guess u only read some parts that suits u right?
Kwantinu!!

Walelavender:
Doesn't even make a moral sense not to talk of spiritual sense. Just a merry-go-round position without substance. Trying to separate sin from grace. I pity his congregation.

Romans 6:15- What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law but under grace? God forbid

Emax911:

learn to read, the y was to take hagar as a wife, not for sex

osazsky:
the fact that a great man fornicated doesn't gives it justification or makes it right..if obj steals it doesn't make stealing write...or the fact that A committed murder and got away with it doesn't means that if B does commit same murder he will go scot free..there is wat we call grace and head way them carry come.i know person way he be say the first day he had sex he got HIV meanwhile guys have been knacking for 10 years without condom yet no malaria infection he shock u abi...this doesn't make fornication right also u fit run out of luck..apply wisdom love your neighbor' believe in christ .we go dey heaven last last

Kobojunkie:
I didnt even attempt a justification of any such thing. I simply revealed that according to the Bible, Abraham husbanded all 3 women so no case of fornication there.

MrBrownJay1:


pls stop taking from the above verse only what fits your agenda. remember, just because hagar was given to Abraham "to be" his wife, doesnt mean they were married...as we can clearly see from the below that she was ALWAYS referred as a SLAVE, not a wife/concubine:

- Abraham referred to his supposed wife Hagar as his wife's slave, not her concubine nor his wife.
- Hagar was referred as a SLAVE by the angel of the lord, not as his wife.
- Hagar said she was running away from her MISTRESS, not her supposed concubine (which she would be if she was indeed married to Abraham)
- how can a man have a wife but refer to her as a SLAVE?!?!?!? you guys make no damn sense!
- how can a supposed wife (Hagar) be openly mistreated by her concubine?! you guys make NO SENSE!

Renforce:

This one has never open a chapter of the bible

MrBrownJay1:


very true, but then if OBJ isnt prosecuted by the gov for his "confirmed" stealing, then you cant come here and tell me that the gov is against stealing and punishable by years of prison, because i will simply turn around and tell you that this aint true...

but lets stick to the issue at hand....aka it is a FACT that many great men of your bible were fornicator and were never prosecuted for their supposed sin, thus you can consider that act a sin.

osazsky:
also read the new testament where christ condemned it cuz u are even singing against your own body..take what suit u..live right love your neighbour's help the needy..u will be in heaven irrespective of if u believe in d principles of offerings ...if u dont offer Thanks to god in cash or praises it wont prevent u from entering heaven u will still make heaven but u are delaying ur financial blessings on earth..the purpose of life is to make heaven..the rest na story

brosom:
Did God concends to it? Was Abraham married to her legally?

osazsky:
yeah...GRACE..another president will emerge that stole only 10 percent of what obj stole he will be killed by efcc dss...only the smartest go Scot free like david after he messed up he still found a way to be in god goods books...

MrBrownJay1:


fair enough, thus the OP's stand that sex before marriage isnt a sin.



i am just giving my opinion (with facts) as to why the OP makes a lot of sense.



here is the questions you need to ask yourself (And forget the above gibberish):
- did some highly respect men of the bible fornicate with single women and went unpunished (aka Abraham, King Dadid/Solomon)?
- if these men werent punished for their so called "sins", why would you believe that having sex with unmarried women is a sin?!

Kobojunkie:

Concerning Hagar ...

As for Keturah,

Shall we move on to King David next?

MrBrownJay1:


very true, but then if OBJ isnt prosecuted by the gov for his "confirmed" stealing, then you cant come here and tell me that the gov is against stealing and punishable by years of prison, because i will simply turn around and tell you that this aint true...

but lets stick to the issue at hand....aka it is a FACT that many great men of your bible were fornicator and were never prosecuted for their supposed sin, thus you can consider that act a sin.