Acrobatics01:

Dear Nancy
If you really want to learn about what the witnesses believe in, visit jw.org. The website is translated into over 1,000 languages and te contents will satisfy your quest to know about us. Please don't learn about us from our enemiesKr

Nancy2020:
everything the OP said is in the Watchtower news magazine even some of them many JW members here still talk about them as the foundations of their beliefs. The OP just went more deep into the occultic side which the members here don't always speak about because they actually know it is pure hard to pass across to new members unless they come into the organization. If the OP is correct on his own narrative then JW is truly scary.

MaxInDHouse:


All these people are just reading the Bible to apply it to what other people do, they never think of applying it on how they themselves are doing!

For instance if most of them should travel to Israel and listen to Jews who are born, bread and brought up in Galilee today, they will all throw away their Bibles and forget Jesus. Because the Israelites till today believe that Jesus was an impostor. Therefore they never say anything good about him.

So let them continue deceiving themselves with false stories, while JWs are busy doing what Jesus commaded us!

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things! Matthew 28:19-20

Acrobatics01:


... again, I would reiterate the fact that you cannot believe the narrative from the mouth of the enemy. If you want to know the truth about JW, kindly visit jw.org. As outstanding as it is, the website contains publications as far back as 1950 so you can check out the facts for yourself.

We teach the truth that set men free

Nancy2020:
I just asked JW in my area the OP point the new point and he said it true that they believe Jesus was killed on stake, Unless you want to tell me JW have renounced some of the teaching which are occultic in nature.

Acrobatics01:


Maybe I need to read the again the meaning of "occultic" or there is an updated meaning. But, without being verbose, maybe in one sentence or two, at max, could you point to me which of our beliefs is occultic in nature.

Nancy2020:
my o my is it that you don't read my words OK let me point it out........ I just asked JW in my area the OP point the new point and he said it true that they believe Jesus was killed on stake, Unless you want to tell me JW have renounced some of the teaching which are occultic in nature............. From the above post so you actually don't see the occultic doctrine in the post which JW say they believe in.

Acrobatics01:


Oh, I just saw this. The teaching that Jesus was nailed on a stake as against the cross is what you refer to as occultic? Really? I never heard of that though.
I thought the world has become so enlightened that the teaching is so clear. I thought there was another contentious issues. Well, thanks for making it clear to me. May I point you to researches that prove our point without any bias? But again, you would promise to read without a bias

Nancy2020:
researches that prove our point

This is another Satan view
Why leave the scriptures and pick researchers you see why people say your part of a cult
You can't research the word of God outside the Bible.

Acrobatics01:


Okay, now I see what you are referring to. Please may I know the translation you use so I tell you why research is required at some points

Nancy2020:
no matter the translation you use even if you use your perverted new world translation it won't say stake rather on a cross. The Bible is clear don't let evil men use idea to twist it for you.

DappaD:


Why is the instrument used in Jesus’ death of such importance to you? Did the Bible place any importance on it? If not, why do people rever it as if it has any significance?

Nancy2020:
no matter the translation you use even if you use your perverted new world translation it won't say stake rather on a cross. The Bible is clear don't let evil men use idea to twist it for you.

Nancy2020:
no matter the translation you use even if you use your perverted new world translation it won't say stake rather on a cross. The Bible is clear don't let evil men use idea to twist it for you.

Acrobatics01:


Thanks, I would assume "perverted" is a compliment. Even is if it's not, then every translation is "perverted" because none of the translations you are using now is the original one written by the bible writers but you have been made to believe some translations over others by your leaders.
However, if you want to consider the KJV, you can read 1 Peter 2:24, and let me know is uses the word cross.

Bishopkingsley:


They the JW worship the GB organization doctrine rather than the Bible

Now you can see why people refer to them as cult you now see if they can have the mind to lie about his death method nothing they can't lie about

Bishopkingsley:


If you can lie about the instrument used then you can equally lie about who Jesus is

DappaD:


Wrong context. Christ dying on a stake/pole is of importance as the scripture says no doubt(Galatians 3:13) I mean why venerate the instrument used, whether stake or cross? Is there such importance attached to it that it needs to be worshiped?
If Christ was killed with an AK-47 would you hang the image around your neck or set up a huge structure of AK-47 in your church or home or car? Now don’t even get me started when people think holding up the cross offers protection, so it was an AK-47 you’d hold that up too for protection?
All I see is just advanced idolatry committed by so many idol worshippers posing as Christians, nothing else. Exodus 20:4,5; 1Corinthians 10:14

Bishopkingsley:


You don't understand the cross
Moses which God told him to put a snake on the tree that who ever looks at that snake will not die when it bite them

Then God told Moses that how they will look at Jesus on the tree and those who do that will live.

So you don't understand the importance of the cross


Jesus said when am lifted up that when I will draw all men to me so the cross is what draws people to Jesus you better get one and focus on the price Jesus paid
It not must to actually have physical cross you can have the picture of the event on the cross in your heart it the same thing
Or you can have it visibly as Moses did with the serpent
Lying with the methods Jesus died with is evil and he who does that can change any other part of the Bible

DappaD:


So how does a straight tree/pole which stood vertically as in the times of Moses translate to two pieces of wood membered at 90° to each other? You do not see the discrepancy?

Jesus said those who will gain everlasting life will look at him nah, not the instrument of execution. John 3:15
Or are you saying that all those in the first century who didn’t physically see Jesus die will not gain everlasting life before they never saw him on the stake? Do we even need to physically see Jesus to have the prospect of everlasting life? John 20:29-31
If no, then why do we need to see the instrument of execution? Of what use is it?

Bishopkingsley:
The Watchtower Society teaches that Jesus was crucified on a “torture stake” instead of a cross (Matt. 27:32, NWT). The Watchtower Society specifically dates Jesus’ death: “On Nisan 14 of the year 33 C.E. Jesus’ enemies put him to death on a torture stake” (Truth, p. 51).

SmithRussell:


But what if they’re correct and your NWT is not?? Just saying

Acrobatics01:


Okay, now I see what you are referring to. Please may I know the translation you use so I tell you why research is required at some points

Betscoreodds:
where do you research from which book is your research material Bible or which one.

Acrobatics01:


Greetings!
Primarily from the bible. Secondary sources of course would be valuable because of some reasons.
1. Bible was not written in English originally, hence you may need to look for the etymology of some words to gain better understanding of the context
2. You may require other texts written in the same time and region to understand some of the things written.

Betscoreodds:
hence you may need to look for the etymology of some words to gain better understanding of the context................................. All languages are evolving hope you know that so sit in Hebrew back then may mean sit down but today in Hebrew it may mean humble yourself, (True and that is why I mentioned two factors that could affect an interpretation of a word) so which evolution part are you using this then brings division and confusion to fit into your doctrine one word in Hebrew can mean five different things (Again, read the factors I gave earlier) so that is another thing to consider which to choose among the five you see why you stick with the rules Bible say use Bible to interpret another part of Bible rather than using.......... You may require other texts written in the same time and region........ This method if it not Bible it Wil bring your soul to death that what God says (You need to read what I wrote again, maybe slowly this time. I started with the word, "primarily".

Acrobatics01:


Dear Betscoreodds,

I have addressed your comments.
Thanks

Betscoreodds:
confused combined answers lol.

MaxInDHouse:


All these people are just reading the Bible to apply it to what other people do, they never think of applying it on how they themselves are doing!

For instance if most of them should travel to Israel and listen to Jews who are born, bread and brought up in Galilee today, they will all throw away their Bibles and forget Jesus. Because the Israelites till today believe that Jesus was an impostor. Therefore they never say anything good about him.

So let them continue deceiving themselves with false stories, while JWs are busy doing what Jesus commaded us!

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things! Matthew 28:19-20

Bishopkingsley:
Who is Jesus Christ?

This question is one of the most critical religious and philosophical ones ever asked. It automatically leads to other equally crucial issues. Just who was this Man, Jesus, historically? What did He accomplish and why? And most important, what does His life mean to an individual?

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society—also known as the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Watchtower Society—is one religious organization that claims definite answers to all questions about Jesus Christ. This unusual religious movement, founded in 1884 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916), and now led by a small committee of supposedly inspired biblical interpreters claims to have the final word about the person and work of Jesus, as well as all other theological issues. Millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses believe confidently that the Watchtower Society’s positions indisputably are correct and any opinions to the contrary are wrong.

The more significant issue for Jehovah’s Witnesses and those outside that organization is how one’s relationship to Christ is affected by Watchtower views.

Jesus’ Prehuman Existence

The Watchtower Society teaches that Jesus Christ was the first created being of Jehovah God. Jehovah God created Jesus as a divine-like spirit at some point in ancient, pre-creation time. “This means that he was created before all the other spirit sons of God, and that he is the only one who was directly created by God” (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth [Live] [Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, 1982], p. 58).

In His preexistence, Jesus was known as “the Word” (John 1:3,10,14) because He was God’s spokesman, according to the Watchtower Society. He is also identified by Jehovah’s Witnesses with Michael the archangel. “Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. So the evidence indicates that the Son of God (Jesus) was known as Michael before he came to earth” (Reasoning from the Scriptures [Reasoning] [Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, 1985], p. 218).

The Watchtower teaches that through the agency of the prehuman Christ, Jehovah created all other things in the universe. “He is also God’s ‘only-begotten’ Son in that he is the only one directly created by Jehovah God; all other things came into existence through him as God’s Chief Agent” (The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life [Truth] [Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract society of New York, 1968], p. 47).

This Agent, however, is not to be confused as being a Co-creator with God. “The Son’s share in the creative works, however, did not make him a Co-creator with the Father. Rather than a Co-creator, then, the Son was the Agent or instrumentality through whom Jehovah, the Creator worked” (Aid to Bible Understanding, [Aid] [Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, 1971, p. 918).

Christians [s]maintain there is no scriptural evidence to equate Michael the archangel with the prehuman Christ. The Watchtower Society’s assertion that they are the same person is based on their incorrect assumptions about Christ’s creation and misinterpretations of Daniel 10 and 12, Jude 9, and 1 Thessalonians 4:16, none of which identify Michael as Christ. Also, Christians contend that Christ was not merely a created being, but eternally preexistent as God the Son with the Father. He was indeed the Creator, with the Father and the Spirit, of all things[/s] (see John 1:1-14; Phil. 2:5-11; Col. 1:15-20; Rev. 3:14).

Bishopkingsley:


Am not JW so how can you say your NWT is now


I don't use NWT