oteneaaron:

Thank you for your candid observation.
I am putting my points in order and will be updating the thread as I go.

cornelboy:
He's still gathering his evidences.

oteneaaron:

So you really think Jesus was an actual figure in history?
DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Have you heard about the Egyptian Christ called Horus?
He was born of virgin, baptized at 30, resurrected Lazarus, turned water into wine, had a sermon on the mount, etc at least 2000 years before the Jesus of the Bible.
I gave you pointers sometime ago, go and start from reading those books.
Instead of taking the Bible as literal history - which it isn't, you should understand that it is all MYTHS and ALLEGORIES.
But I can't spoon feed you sir.
You have to find out this information for yourself.
It is not an issue of hate or attack.
History has proven this over and over again.
The life and story of Jesus is not unique, neither is it literal history.
There have been many "Christ Figures" from different cultures way older than Jesus of the Bible.
Go and read about - -
Horus, Dionysus, Krishna, Bacchus, Mythrias, but to mention a few.
DO YOUR RESEARCH!!

MaxInDHouse:


I never wanted to waste my time doing this but he kept spewing gibberish as if he has gotten everything figured out to prove that Jesus never really walk on this planet:



I never thought he will come here and start messing around instead of presenting all the results of his hopeless research!

cornelboy:

There's no way he could prove that Horus existed 2000 years before Christ and did the miracles Christ did.
Is he saying someone already fufilled the prophecies about Christ right before the prophecies were revealed and written?

MaxInDHouse:


HISTORY totally differs from what you just said.
If i may ask you:
Do you think everyone see Jesus as a God or that's just the opinion of some credulous religionists?
Because to Jehovah's Witnesses Jesus is a man who lived and taught his friends many things.

AntiMohammad:

Oteneaaron can you prove that those God men from antiquity existed?

22jumpstreet:

What did he teach that the prophets did not reach ?

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus is the greatest man who ever lived on this planet!
He is the most Wonderful Counselor! Isaiah 9:6
All other prophets were picking it one after another but Jesus is the total completeness of holiness!

22jumpstreet:
Just to chip in.

There are many teachings in the new testament that is totally alien to the old testament, thatis one of the reason why I believe it is not derived from the old testament. For one the new testament presents a dualism or dualistic belief. That is there are separate Gods for good and evil. While in the old there I just one God that is responsible for both. ..a singularity.

The prophet in the old testament did prophesy about a coming Messiah but a human non the less. From the root of Jesse through David his son. Messiah simply means anointed. Was Jesus anointed ...capital No.

One convincing reason as to why I think Jesus is a creation of the troman empire is the fact that the gospel are third person narratives. The authors never said who they are or how the story affected their lives or where they got the story from. No mention of knowing any character in the story they are telling. They are so far and withdrawn from it.

And the horrible fact that nobody knows aby Jesus in the first century. The worshippers of serapis where called Christians., no Jesus during this period...

The gospels are all written in Greeks.,..

So many facts against the existence of the Jesus....

Ken Humphrey gives a lot of point in in blog and YouTube videos..

22jumpstreet:

What of superman? He can shot fire from his eyes,can Jesus do that?
Super man is more of the prince of peace than Jesus.
Have you watched and read about "the quest for peace" superman iv
Like I always say..
There is no space for your opinion in the Bible....

MaxInDHouse:


Please if you want to know about Jesus of Nazareth try to open a new thread.
This thread is about just two persons:
Oteneaaron (atheist/agnostic)
And
MaxInDHouse (Christian)
Thanks!

GardenOfGod:
Going through all the arguments here, I must confess that Oteneaaron is below average in his position. MaxInDHouse is heating up the debate and has won the preliminary stage
Stage 2 loading guys....

oteneaaron:
To begin our investigation into whether the story of Jesus is not real but just a myth, let us first learn about the Mythology of similar God-Men from antiquity.

We shall begin from ancient Egypt (in Northern AFRICA)

As we already know, ancient Egypt is the home of the world's oldest religion that were termed as the "mystery cults".

Please note that it was only after the Rosetta Stone was found in July 1799 that archeologists and scholars were finally able to decipher what was written in stone by the ancient Egyptians.

See - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

After translations were done, it was found out that on the walls of the temple of LUXOR in ancient Egypt, that the hieroglyphs spoke about a dying and resurecting God-man - and this was at the heart of the ancient Egyptian Mystery Religion.

And also by studying some ancient texts like the Egyptian Book of the Dead, we learn that it was a long held teaching in ancient Egypt, that each human had a spark of the divine deep inside them.

The goal of the mystery religion of ancient Egypt was in helping each adherent realize their own divinity, and to help them fully understand this, the mystery religion was dramatized as the myth of the God-man called HORUS.

HORUS was also known as IUSA or ISUSU and according to the ancient mysteries,

1. Horus was born of a Virgin called Meri

2. Like the “star in the east” of the Gospels, Sirius, the morning star in Egypt, heralded the birth of Horus.

3. Horus was baptized in the River Eridanus by a god figure named Anup the Baptizer, who was later beheaded.

4. Horus had no history between the ages of twelve and thirty.

5. Horus walked on water, cast out demons, and healed the sick.

6. Horus was crucified between two thieves, buried in a tomb, and resurrected. His personal epithet was Iusa (or Iusu), the “ever-becoming son” of Ptah, or the Father.

7. Horus has 12 disciples which represented the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

8. Horus was born in cave and 3 wise men/magi came to pay him homage...

oteneaaron:


Lol.

Good things take time.

No rush.

I will be updating the thread as I go.

This has not been an easy research to embark on.

It has taken me months to study the materials related to the above subject matter.

So there is nothing wrong in me taking my time to submit my own part of the argument.

oteneaaron:
To begin our investigation into whether the story of Jesus is not real but just a myth, let us first learn about the Mythology of similar God-Men from antiquity.

We shall begin from ancient Egypt (in Northern AFRICA)

As we already know, ancient Egypt is the home of the world's oldest religion that were termed as the "mystery cults".

Please note that it was only after the Rosetta Stone was found in July 1799 that archeologists and scholars were finally able to decipher what was written in stone by the ancient Egyptians.

See - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

After translations were done, it was found out that on the walls of the temple of LUXOR in ancient Egypt, that the hieroglyphs spoke about a dying and resurecting God-man - and this was at the heart of the ancient Egyptian Mystery Religion.

And also by studying some ancient texts like the Egyptian Book of the Dead, we learn that it was a long held teaching in ancient Egypt, that each human had a spark of the divine deep inside them.

The goal of the mystery religion of ancient Egypt was in helping each adherent realize their own divinity, and to help them fully understand this, the mystery religion was dramatized as the myth of the God-man called HORUS.

HORUS was also known as IUSA or ISUSU and according to the ancient mysteries,

1. Horus was born of a Virgin called Meri

2. Like the “star in the east” of the Gospels, Sirius, the morning star in Egypt, heralded the birth of Horus.

3. Horus was baptized in the River Eridanus by a god figure named Anup the Baptizer, who was later beheaded.

4. Horus had no history between the ages of twelve and thirty.

5. Horus walked on water, cast out demons, and healed the sick.

6. Horus was crucified between two thieves, buried in a tomb, and resurrected. His personal epithet was Iusa (or Iusu), the “ever-becoming son” of Ptah, or the Father.

7. Horus has 12 disciples which represented the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

8. Horus was born in cave and 3 wise men/magi came to pay him homage...

oteneaaron:


Lol.

Good things take time.

No rush.

I will be updating the thread as I go.

This has not been an easy research to embark on.

It has taken me months to study the materials related to the above subject matter.

So there is nothing wrong in me taking my time to submit my own part of the argument.

oteneaaron:


Lol.

Good things take time.

No rush.

I will be updating the thread as I go.

This has not been an easy research to embark on.

It has taken me months to study the materials related to the above subject matter.

So there is nothing wrong in me taking my time to submit my own part of the argument.

cornelboy:
Are these also myths or real events?
What's your proof that these stories/myths weren't copied from the Bible?

cornelboy:
Are these also myths or real events?
What's your proof that these stories/myths weren't copied from the Bible?

cornelboy:
We thought you already have it figured out.
Did you start doing your research?

oteneaaron:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CWBKRWIg0

The video above breaks down many of the myths, and symbology that about Jesus and Christianity that were copied from the ancient Egyptian Mystery Religion.

I am not done yet.

Give me some time to submit my findings and my own part of the argument.

I am just getting started.

oteneaaron:


Which came first?

Ancient Egypt that literally gave the world everything it knows today, or the Bible that was compiled later on?

cornelboy:
When were these myths written and who started them?
How did Jews get access to these Egyptian materials?
Are there no chances that the myths about Horus was copied from the BIBLE?

oteneaaron:


Which came first?

The "Bible" as you know it today contains only 66 books.

In the new testament, there are only four Gospels.

But did you know that there were over 20 gospels and the Catholic Church only selected the four gospels as Canon, and that is why you currently have them in the Bible today?

Have you heard of the Gospel of Thomas, Mary, and Judas Iscariot?

Kindly go and read about the Nag Hammadi Scriptures that were dug out of a cave in ancient Egypt.

oteneaaron:


Which came first?

The "Bible" as you know it today contains only 66 books.

In the new testament, there are only four Gospels.

But did you know that there were over 20 gospels and the Catholic Church only selected the four gospels as Canon, and that is why you currently have them in the Bible today?

Have you heard of the Gospel of Thomas, Mary, and Judas Iscariot?

Kindly go and read about the Nag Hammadi Scriptures that were dug out of a cave in ancient Egypt.

cornelboy:
I have also seen someone say Jesus and the new testament were the work of the Romans but now it's the Egyptian

Now how did the myths about Horus match with the prophecies in the old testament?
Is the old testament full of myths too?

cornelboy:
I know the history about these gospel books. No books were written by Thomas, Mary and Judas. Those books were authored by someone else.

cornelboy:
You didn't answer my questions