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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:12pm On Feb 27, 2022
I told you from the onset that many myth are copies of real events that has been rebranded with fabrications.
So can you put this Horus story through the same scrutiny like i did with Jesus?
Place of birth.
Genealogy.
Occupation.
Friends.
Modern day adherents of teachings.

Lies won't survive all these my friend! smiley

oteneaaron:
To begin our investigation into whether the story of Jesus is not real but just a myth, let us first learn about the Mythology of similar God-Men from antiquity.

We shall begin from ancient Egypt (in Northern AFRICA)

As we already know, ancient Egypt is the home of the world's oldest religion that were termed as the "mystery cults".

Please note that it was only after the Rosetta Stone was found in July 1799 that archeologists and scholars were finally able to decipher what was written in stone by the ancient Egyptians.

See - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

After translations were done, it was found out that on the walls of the temple of LUXOR in ancient Egypt, that the hieroglyphs spoke about a dying and resurecting God-man - and this was at the heart of the ancient Egyptian Mystery Religion.

And also by studying some ancient texts like the Egyptian Book of the Dead, we learn that it was a long held teaching in ancient Egypt, that each human had a spark of the divine deep inside them.

The goal of the mystery religion of ancient Egypt was in helping each adherent realize their own divinity, and to help them fully understand this, the mystery religion was dramatized as the myth of the God-man called HORUS.

HORUS was also known as IUSA or ISUSU and according to the ancient mysteries,

1. Horus was born of a Virgin called Meri

2. Like the “star in the east” of the Gospels, Sirius, the morning star in Egypt, heralded the birth of Horus.

3. Horus was baptized in the River Eridanus by a god figure named Anup the Baptizer, who was later beheaded.

4. Horus had no history between the ages of twelve and thirty.

5. Horus walked on water, cast out demons, and healed the sick.

6. Horus was crucified between two thieves, buried in a tomb, and resurrected. His personal epithet was Iusa (or Iusu), the “ever-becoming son” of Ptah, or the Father.

7. Horus has 12 disciples which represented the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

8. Horus was born in cave and 3 wise men/magi came to pay him homage...

Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by 22jumpstreet: 4:14pm On Feb 27, 2022
oteneaaron:


The Myth of Horus was written in STONE on the walls of the Temple of Luxor in ancient Egypt.

If you can find out when the temple of Luxor was built, then you can find out when the myths were first written.

That is why from the beginning, I gave a definition what a myth refers to in this context.

The basic teaching of the mystery religions was that there is a spark of the divine in every man.

These myths were dramatized as stories that showed how men too could become God's just like the God-man in the story of Horus.

This is the same message every other mystery religion was passing - the God-in-man

It was after the Nicean creed that modern Christianity now made the whole story LITERAL.

Which then put Jesus on a pedestal so high that it was literally difficult for anyone to become like him unless you were actually born perfect and of a virgin just like him.

That is why the early Gnostic Christians took it how it really was - a myth that dramatizes the divinity that is existent in EVERY MAN.

You are right, it was Athanasius that stood up and said he was both God and man to end the argument...

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by 22jumpstreet: 4:17pm On Feb 27, 2022
Isn't it obvious that the genealogies of Jesus in Mathew and Luke are forgeries. I mean, what is the purpose of it if Jesus is not related to Joseph by blood.

For good measures, they are even contradictory.

And non of them can produce a Messiah.

Talk about forgeries and propaganda

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:19pm On Feb 27, 2022
So is it because you found Egyptian myth that's written like what happened to Jesus that's the result of your research making Jesus a myth? cheesy

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by oteneaaron(m): 4:20pm On Feb 27, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
I told you from the onset that many myth are copies of real events that has been rebranded with fabrications.
So can you put this Horus story through the same scrutiny like i did with Jesus?
Place of birth.
Genealogy.
Occupation.
Friends.
Modern day adherents of teachings.

Lies won't survive all these my friend! smiley


I'm not done yet.

I am just getting started.

Today is a Sunday and I am handling other chores, so please be patient with me as my replies will be coming in slow.

Thank you for understanding.
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by GardenOfGod(m): 4:20pm On Feb 27, 2022
Following...
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:22pm On Feb 27, 2022
To everyone on this thread! smiley

MaxInDHouse:


This should be between just two persons:
Oteneaaron (atheist/agnostic) and MaxInDHouse (a Christian)
Thanks Sir! smiley

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:24pm On Feb 27, 2022
oteneaaron:

I'm not done yet.
I am just getting started.
Today is a Sunday and I am handling other chores, so please be patient with me as my replies will be coming in slow.
Thank you for understanding.

I'm all ears!

Please let me know the genealogy, birth place, occupation, friends and modern day adherents of your Horus! smiley

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:27pm On Feb 27, 2022
GardenOfGod:
Following...

This is what i expected from all other followers of this thread!

Just follow since the OP specifically mentioned the person he wants to challenge.

Thanks! smiley

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by cornelboy(f): 4:27pm On Feb 27, 2022
Is this some sort of story story story or your supposed evidence?


oteneaaron:


The Myth of Horus was written in STONE on the walls of the Temple of Luxor in ancient Egypt.

If you can find out when the temple of Luxor was built, then you can find out when the myths were first written.

That is why from the beginning, I gave a definition what a myth refers to in this context.

The basic teaching of the mystery religions was that there is a spark of the divine in every man.

These myths were dramatized as stories that showed how men too could become God's just like the God-man in the story of Horus.

This is the same message every other mystery religion was passing - the God-in-man

It was after the Nicean creed that modern Christianity now made the whole story LITERAL.

Which then put Jesus on a pedestal so high that it was literally difficult for anyone to become like him unless you were actually born perfect and of a virgin just like him.

That is why the early Gnostic Christians took it how it really was - a myth that dramatizes the divinity that is existent in EVERY MAN.
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:30pm On Feb 27, 2022
cornelboy:
Is this some sort of story story story or your supposed evidence?


GardenOfGod:
Following...

Please brother, can you also follow like this commentator?
Thanks! wink

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by cornelboy(f): 4:31pm On Feb 27, 2022
Have read them at all?
You could answer your question yourself if indeed you have read them.

Why do you think the gospels weren't canonized?
oteneaaron:


So if you believe those books were authored by someone else, what makes you think the books of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John were written by those same men?
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by 22jumpstreet: 4:31pm On Feb 27, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
So is it because you found Egyptian myth that's written like what happened to Jesus that's the result of your research making Jesus a myth? cheesy

You are learning very fast...

I know you are still unshaven.

You know how they put in cigarettes packs "smoking causes lung cancer, and smokers are liable to die young" and people still smoke..

Yea..thats the kind of mind you have.

The only thing that can change your mind is if the Vatican comes clean and open their secret archives.. and people see how the deceit began.

You will change....

Not now.

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by cornelboy(f): 4:31pm On Feb 27, 2022
It's all there in the bible

22jumpstreet:


Which old testament prophesy did Jesus fulfill ?
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by oteneaaron(m): 4:32pm On Feb 27, 2022
cornelboy:
Is this some sort of story story story or your supposed evidence?



The information is out there for you to find.

The temple of Luxor in Egypt is still standing till this very day.
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by cornelboy(f): 4:34pm On Feb 27, 2022
And how old is this temple of Luxor?
Older than the first manuscripts of the old testament books?

oteneaaron:


The information is out there for you to find.

The temple of Luxor in Egypt is still standing till this very day.
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:34pm On Feb 27, 2022
22jumpstreet:


You are learning very fast...

I know you are still unshaven.

You know how they put in cigarettes packs "smoking causes lung cancer, and smokers are liable to die young" and people still smoke..

Yea..thats the kind of mind you have.

The only thing that can change your mind is if the Vatican comes clean and open their secret archives.. and people see how the deceit began.

You will change....

Not now.

GardenOfGod:
Following...

Please Sir oteneaaron and myself will really appreciate other followers of the thread to do the same like the above commentator.
Thanks in advance! smiley

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by cornelboy(f): 4:36pm On Feb 27, 2022
Hmm... Sorry Sir smiley
Now following.....
MaxInDHouse:




Please Sir oteneaaron and myself will really appreciate other followers of the thread to do the same like the above commentator.
Thanks in advance! smiley
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by GardenOfGod(m): 4:38pm On Feb 27, 2022
I'm not only an observer, I record point for overall assessment of the debate. grin
MaxInDHouse:




Please Sir oteneaaron and myself will really appreciate other followers of the thread to do the same like the above commentator.
Thanks in advance! smiley

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:39pm On Feb 27, 2022
GardenOfGod:
I'm not only an observer, I record point for overall assessment of the debate. grin

Noted, thanks! smiley

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:41pm On Feb 27, 2022
oteneaaron:

The information is out there for you to find.
The temple of Luxor in Egypt is still standing till this very day.
So like the story of Jesus dated between 40-98 c.e.
When, where and by whom was your Horus story written smiley

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by 22jumpstreet: 4:42pm On Feb 27, 2022
cornelboy:
It's all there in the bible


This is not an answer, my friend.

You can do better

DO BETTER.

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by cornelboy(f): 4:47pm On Feb 27, 2022
22jumpstreet:


This is not an answer, my friend.

You can do better

DO BETTER.

Do you believe in God and the Bible?
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:48pm On Feb 27, 2022
22jumpstreet:

This is not an answer, my friend.
You can do better
DO BETTER.

GardenOfGod:
Following...


Please Sir, oteneaaron and myself will really appreciate any commentator to follow the example of the above quoted commentator.
Thanks in advance! smiley

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by 22jumpstreet: 4:55pm On Feb 27, 2022
cornelboy:


Do you believe in God and the Bible?

What do you mean by believe ?
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by 22jumpstreet: 4:57pm On Feb 27, 2022

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:59pm On Feb 27, 2022
Please oteneaaron i'll be expecting you shaku shaku research.
I thought you've gotten everything figured out before coming to challenge me regarding the authenticity of Jesus, i never knew you are just blabbing over similar stories that has no background.
However i'm waiting for the results of your so called research! smiley

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by Janosky: 5:26pm On Feb 27, 2022
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by 22jumpstreet: 5:34pm On Feb 27, 2022
Janosky:


Who is the independent source for the evolutionary big bang theory?

All these clowns sef? grin cheesy

If them vomit finish

Dem go eat am too...lol

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Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by Backlaw406(m): 6:03pm On Feb 27, 2022
GardenOfGod:
I'm not only an observer, I record point for overall assessment of the debate. grin
I hope you will say the truth and judge by the debaters' facts not kind of favouritism, preferential treatment, baise and sentiment
Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by cornelboy(f): 6:29pm On Feb 27, 2022
How many meaning believe get?
Do you believe I'm yourself?

22jumpstreet:


What do you mean by believe ?

Re: Is Jesus Real Or A Myth? A Challenge For Maxindhouse by oteneaaron(m): 6:42pm On Feb 27, 2022
Now on to our main question - Did Jesus exist or is he just a myth based on ancient mystery religions like Horus, etc?

According to popular methodology, to know if a person actually existed in history, we must investigate the sources and these sources must be reliable.

Still about sources, there are three factors that determine if a source can be addressed as reliable -

1. Direct evidence from the person of interest (if the person wrote about him or herself, the persons house, etc )

2. Secondary Sources like eye witness accounts, stories told about the person etc.

3. Contemporary sources that come from the period of the person's life -

So what do we have about Jesus using the above criteria?

1. Direct evidence - There is NO archeological proof that shows that Jesus actually existed, there have been claims but they cannot be verified.

If Jesus did really exist in history, shouldn't there by actual archeological proof to show this?

At least when we talk about Horus from ancient Egypt, we can still point to the Temple of Luxor that describes the passion of his story.


2. Contemporary sources -

Let's start with Paul.

The Letters of Paul are on record the very earliest of writings of the new testament, which means it came before any of the four gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John.

Throughout the letters of Paul, why is there no mention to the actual historicity of the Jesus of Nazareth?

Paul was literally the first writer in the new testament and his letters were written at least a couple of decades after the date set for the death of Jesus, so why does He (Paul) not at least mention the historicity of Jesus?

True he mentioned Jesus through out his work, but he was referring to the Spiritual Christ - not a literal man.

And this is exactly what the mystery religions taught in ancient Egypt - no wonder historians describe Paul as a Gnostic Christian.

Like Alvin Boyd Khun said in his book - Who is this king of glory :

“For Paul to write fifteen Epistles, basic treatises on the religion that this man founded, and find no reason to refer even once to anything he said or did would be on the order of one’s writing a thorough treatise on the American Revolution and never once mentioning George Washington!”

I am not done yet.

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