Anas09:

Guy, say what you want now that you have the freedom to. because, very soon, you will no longer have that freewill to. And it won't be YHWH stopping you, it will be your master stopping you. I listened to one scientist postulating that in 15yrs from now, AI robots will take over the running of our society considerably.
And, you know what? These AIs are not from God. Elon Musk says AIs are driven by ETS. Do you know what ETS are? Demons. Yes demons. They will take away your freedom.
Why God allows you to insult him and go free, it's so that you wld appreciate it when Satan takes away your right. AI won't recognize who is an atheist or theist.
So, buckle up, it's coming

Anastasia!
Wow!
Where have you been?
As I have always told you, delusions like devil, demons, angels, Satan, heaven and hell are non issues to me since I don't believe in them.
I distinctly remember you preaching against the anti covid jab because your pastor preached against it as devilish. Did you finally take the jab?
Anastasia, you need to post more often.

Anas09:

You are still here. When are you going to get a life?

Anastasia darling,
Did you finally get yourself a man or are you still searching?

Caveatemptor:


Oga,
As other posters on this thread have told you. I am not a god neither do I claim to be omniscient!
This your argument no follow at all!

Another proof that the Bible is True for you are truly "like" God. Not God Himself or all God, but "like" God!

And as I told them, no one has said you are God or omniscient but you are certainly "like" God and as proven already, you have confirmed your possession of omniscientness, so surely you can use it to understand God, if you want.

jaephoenix:

Reread this thing you wrote. Does it make sense. Are you saying an omniscient god is second guessing himself?

Every reasonable person can see that there is nothing like second guessing in my statement. So you do not have any valid thing to say.

jaephoenix:

Wtf are you on?
If I, an omniscient being know something as a fact, why would I 'see what they shall do'?
That means I'm not even sure
And thus not omniscient

You already preknow for a fact that your children shall write jamb (what they shall do) and they shall either pass or fail it, so, you see you have nothing valid to say.

joyandfaith:


Some who believe in predestination reason basically as follows: God is omniscient. He knows everything, even what is going to happen in the future. He knows what each person is going to do with his life, and he already knows the exact moment and manner of each person’s death. So, according to their thinking, when the time comes for an individual to make a decision, his choice cannot be other than the way God has foreseen and foreordained it; otherwise, God would not be all-knowing. Does this reasoning seem sound to you? Consider what its logical consequences would be.

If some force has already determined your future, then trying to take care of yourself is useless. Choosing to smoke or not to smoke would make no difference to your health or that of your children. Wearing a seat belt while riding in an automobile would have no effect on your safety. But this is faulty logic. Statistics show that people who take precautions suffer fewer fatal consequences. Carelessness can result in tragedy.

Consider another line of reasoning. If God chooses to foreknow everything, then even before he made Adam and Eve, he would have known that they would disobey him. But when God told Adam that he must not eat from “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad” or he would die, did God already know that Adam would eat from it? (Genesis 2:16, 17) When God told the first couple: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth,” did he know that their wonderful prospect of life in a paradise was doomed to failure? Of course not.​—Genesis 1:28.

Taken to its logical conclusion, the idea that God foreknows all decisions would mean that he is responsible for all that happens​—including wars, injustices, and suffering. Is that possible? A clear answer is provided by what God says about himself.

“You Must Choose”

The Scriptures state that “God is love” and that he is “a lover of justice.” He has always urged his people: “Hate what is bad, and love what is good.” (1 John 4:8; Psalm 37:28; Amos 5:15) On numerous occasions he encouraged his loyal ones to choose a virtuous course. For example, when Jehovah concluded a covenant with the ancient nation of Israel, he said to them, through Moses: “I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring.” (Deuteronomy 30:19) Did God establish ahead of time the choice that those individuals would make? Evidently not.

Joshua, a leader of God’s people in ancient times, exhorted his countrymen: “Choose for yourselves today whom you will serve . . . As for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah.” (Joshua 24:15) Similarly, God’s prophet Jeremiah said: “Obey, please, the voice of Jehovah in what I am speaking to you, and it will go well with you, and your soul will continue to live.” (Jeremiah 38:20) Would a just and loving God encourage people to do right in the hope of receiving a reward if he knew that they were destined to fail? No. Such encouragement would be hypocritical.

So when good or bad things happen in your life, it is not because these events are inevitable. Very often, ‘unforeseen occurrences’ are simply the consequences of other people’s decisions​—whether wise or unwise. (Ecclesiastes 9:11) No, your future is not planned out before you, and your own decisions determine what your everlasting future will be.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

▪ Did God decide ahead of time that Adam and Eve would sin?​—Genesis 1:28; 2:16, 17.

▪ What qualities of God rule out predestination?​—Psalm 37:28; 1 John 4:8.

▪ What responsibility do you have?​—Joshua 24:15.

I guess you are a Witness, and believe Yahweh isn't omniscient, right?

MightySparrow:
Adeboye has Ph. D in Mathematics, Oyedepo, Chris Oyakhilome are not pure scientists bur architects. Oyedepo bagged pH. D in human Development not Honourary. Anyway, this doesn't remove the fact that Isaac Newton, Galileo Galilei, Michael Faraday were leading scientists in their time. So, how does your MBBS oppose God? There are several medical practionals that believe in one deity or the other all over the world. Ben Carson is one. If you schooled in Nigeria, or elsewhere, are all your lectures atheists?

1. In your earlier deposition you said Oyedepo and Kumuyi are eggheads. Turns out neither Oyedepo nor Kumuyi is. Now you're twisting your argument by saying they aint 'pure scientists'. Lol
2. Oyedepo studied architecture at Kwara Polytechnic but did not obtain any degree. No site would tell you he obtained a degree there. And the PhD he got was from a fake, unrecognized and unaccredited university of Honolulu, which is rubbish
3. I have said it before. Newton wasn't a christian. He was Aryan. Galileo wasn't even a catholic. He was afraid of the Catholic induced witch hunting then which would have killed him for any contrary belief. In fact for even saying the earth was round(which was a contrary church belief) he was on house arrest, and died there.
4. You're missing my point completely, which I believe is intentional.
You mentioned most of your pastors have higher degrees than me. I listed mine, (even though I didn’t list my other qualifications) so you can compare it with your pastors. I didn't list it to oppose anybody or insinuate anything. Many physicians have many beliefs. Not my business

MightySparrow:


Exactly my point. If a percentage not matter how small ,can have a different view from a whole lot. That is enough to work with. If for instance, the average number of people in a class is 45.3, you don't have ⅛ of human being. So, since we have a number that view things differently, we should now find out why?
In Islam, Prophet Mohammed wrote about sperm developing from the backbone. Yet there are professors of medicine that believe his message. So, I don't still see how science goes against believe in a personal or corporate God.
About Albert Einstein I read my own in the special edition of Time magazine. The Man of the Century. as we cannot absolutely reject Wikipedia, I don't really take their reportage too seriously. Anybody can edit and write anything.

Again, this is you tryna employ one of your dodge tactics. This was your earlier post
There's a no known branches of science that are filled with atheists. Majority of them believe in one thing on the other.
And I just showed you that in fact a good number of scientists don't believe in any god. So how does this back up your point?
And I don't even understand your statistical example. Care to explain?
About Einstein, what I wrote was a quote of his, not even what others think of him. He said those with his mouth. So Wiki cannot manufacture quotes

MightySparrow:



Okay, I admit I misunderstood you. I once belonged to a group, Navigators, a time came some of them came to visit us in Nigeria. The leader of my group, a surgeon, from ABU, was introducing them . One of them was an astronaut! I thought people like that should not believe in a personal God, I was wrong.

People believe in anything. Sometimes it clashes with their profession. I don't know how they handle it. I also wonder how an archaeologist or paleontologist believe in any god. Must be confusing for them cos their work relies on evolution and eschews creationism

MightySparrow:


I don't remember you presented inadequacies to me. Represent it please.

Please go back to that thread, or click on the link I put up there in that post

Caveatemptor:


Oga,
As other posters on this thread have told you. I am not a god neither do I claim to be omniscient!
This your argument no follow at all!

You have better chance of getting a logical reasoning from a wet stone than DTruthSpeaker

Anas09:

The freewill is the air you still breath now. The fact that your fingers are not numb after typing this. Freewill is that you choose to insult him as you like, but you carry on as though nothing happened. But, a day will come that you wish you had chosen not to do what you do now.

Are you aware the Flying Spaghetti Monster gave you a free will but you have been insulting His Holy Limbs

Anas09:

Guy, say what you want now that you have the freedom to. because, very soon, you will no longer have that freewill to. And it won't be YHWH stopping you, it will be your master stopping you. I listened to one scientist postulating that in 15yrs from now, AI robots will take over the running of our society considerably.
And, you know what? These AIs are not from God. Elon Musk says AIs are driven by ETS. Do you know what ETS are? Demons. Yes demons. They will take away your freedom.
Why God allows you to insult him and go free, it's so that you wld appreciate it when Satan takes away your right. AI won't recognize who is an atheist or theist.
So, buckle up, it's coming

Whoa. ETs are demons? Interesting. What other tales have you got up your sleeves, sir

Caveatemptor:


Anastasia!
Wow!
Where have you been?
As I have always told you, delusions like devil, demons, angels, Satan, heaven and hell are non issues to me since I don't believe in them.
I distinctly remember you preaching against the anti covid jab because your pastor preached against it as devilish. Did you finally take the jab?
Anastasia, you need to post more often.

Dude is a comical relief

Dantedasz:



Anastasia darling,
Did you finally get yourself a man or are you still searching?

She's prolly using a dillldo til the good lord sends down the heavenly hunk for her

Dtruthspeaker:


Another proof that the Bible is True for you are truly "like" God. Not God Himself or all God, but "like" God!

And as I told them, no one has said you are God or omniscient but you are certainly "like" God and as proven already, you have confirmed your possession of omniscientness, so surely you can use it to understand God, if you want.

I would like some of those kush youre on

Dtruthspeaker:


Every reasonable person can see that there is nothing like second guessing in my statement. So you do not have any valid thing to say.

I doubt if you know what second guessing is

Dtruthspeaker:


You already preknow for a fact that your children shall write jamb (what they shall do) and they shall either pass or fail it, so, you see you have nothing valid to say.

Does this sentence make sense to you

jaephoenix:

She's prolly using a dillldo til the good lord sends down the heavenly hunk for her

She's a fanatic,but a funny one. I used to enjoy engaging her in discussions. She comes around then goes on long disappearance . She is fun to have around.

jaephoenix:

Again, this is you tryna employ one of your dodge tactics. This was your earlier post
There's a no known branches of science that are filled with atheists. Majority of them believe in one thing on the other.
And I just showed you that in fact a good number of scientists don't believe in any god. So how does this back up your point?
And I don't even understand your statistical example. Care to explain?
About Einstein, what I wrote was a quote of his, not even what others think of him. He said those with his mouth. So Wiki cannot manufacture quotes

What I typed also is what Time magazine reported. The whole edition is almost about him: his life, career, belief. You can check online if you can find it. It is an interesting piece. While I don't discredit Wikipedia for their work, any one can edit anytime, anywhere. I hope you noticed this.
Cheers

jaephoenix:

You have better chance of getting a logical reasoning from a wet stone than DTruthSpeaker

Exactly my observation. The indoctrination is deep. Naa follow come.

jaephoenix:

1. In your earlier deposition you said Oyedepo and Kumuyi are eggheads. Turns out neither Oyedepo nor Kumuyi is. Now you're twisting your argument by saying they aint 'pure scientists'. Lol
2. Oyedepo studied architecture at Kwara Polytechnic but did not obtain any degree. No site would tell you he obtained a degree there. And the PhD he got was from a fake, unrecognized and unaccredited university of Honolulu, which is rubbish
3. I have said it before. Newton wasn't a christian. He was Aryan. Galileo wasn't even a catholic. He was afraid of the Catholic induced witch hunting then which would have killed him for any contrary belief. In fact for even saying the earth was round(which was a contrary church belief) he was on house arrest, and died there.
4. You're missing my point completely, which I believe is intentional.
You mentioned most of your pastors have higher degrees than me. I listed mine, (even though I didn’t list my other qualifications) so you can compare it with your pastors. I didn't list it to oppose anybody or insinuate anything. Many physicians have many beliefs. Not my business

You are only talking about mostly pentecostal pastors. In Christianity, the clerics that mostly educated are in Catholic Church. They are educated in all kinds of human educational pursuits.
Actually, RCCG, have.many if their that are highly educated. There are are professors of medicine, engineering, Law, philosophy etc as pastors some serving as part - time or full time. Some of which are big names in Nigeria.

MightySparrow:



You are only talking about mostly pentecostal pastors. In Christianity, the clerics that mostly educated are in Catholic Church. They are educated in all kinds of human educational pursuits.
Actually, RCCG, have.many if their that are highly educated. There are are professors of medicine, engineering, Law, philosophy etc as pastors some serving as part - time or full time. Some of which are big names in Nigeria.

Its possible there are profs there. No big deal. I never said there's no profs in Christianity. Check my depositions.
What started all this unnecessary distractions from our main argument was you quoted some specific pastors have more qualifications than me, which wasn't the case

jaephoenix:

Does this sentence make sense to you

Of course you suffer deficiency in sense, so how can you know sense when it falls on you?

Caveatemptor:


Exactly my observation. The indoctrination is deep. Naa follow come.

Yet you had nothing reasonable or logical to counter my answer. Surely, you guys are below logicality.

jaephoenix:

People believe in anything. Sometimes it clashes with their profession. I don't know how they handle it. I also wonder how an archaeologist or paleontologist believe in any god. Must be confusing for them cos their work relies on evolution and eschews creationism

Someone of them reconcile it by saying the god must have used evolution as the method of producing the diversity we see. The god was still the one that started life according to such beliefs.

jaephoenix:

Its possible there are profs there. No big deal. I never said there's no profs in Christianity. Check my depositions.
What started all this unnecessary distractions from our main argument was you quoted some specific pastors have more qualifications than me, which wasn't the case

Although this is not the thrust of the argument. I want to infer that you are more informed, solely endowed with knowledge than all pastors and adherents of Christians altogether. Right?

LordReed:


Someone of them reconcile it by saying the god must have used evolution as the method of producing the diversity we see. The god was still the one that started life according to such beliefs.

You forgot to educate him that proof of something evolving doesn't translate into the beginning of the world. Duhhh. Must i help you with the simplest things? Did you evolve from a monkey or ape? Why have apes and baboons stopped evolving into humans like you want people to believe?

Misogyny and religion.

If you visit any church and weigh the number of people present,you are likely to find that majority of the attendees are women.
Women make up a large number of Christians,probably because they are there to seek solutions to perceived family problems or seeking miracles.
However my question to these women is have they taken time to really read the BIBLE?
Women really need to go out of their way to read the Bible. I have seen young Christian women criticising Andrew Tate because of his views on women, but I ask have such women even read the bible. The Bible is one of the most MYSOGNYISTIC books ever written. The book degrades women. The Bible rates women as secondary citizens. The Bible equates women with property. The Bible states that women should never be heard in a congregation. The Bible regards women as unpure species. The Bible equates women to a little above slaves.
What more do I need to say?
In subsequent posts I will quote different Bible verses that support my argument.

You may want to visit this link for a comprehensive thread.


https://www.nairaland.com/5855287/abuse-women-bible

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