MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never asked us to go and preach bad news because bad news is everywhere already so what mankind need is GOOD NEWS that will gladden the hearts of faithful people and of course evildoers know that when talking about reward from God they will be excluded.

So instead of crying everyday about what will happen to evildoers Jesus sent us out to preach and teach what will bring a relief.

That's the purpose of the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom!

1Sharon:
Don't they turn their nose up at everyone else?

Kobojunkie:
They do exactly that even here. They are known for that.

FreedomfromtheT:
True servants of Christ teach the whole truth without sentiments out of love for people's never dying souls. We don't gamble with people's eternal wellbeing.
Getting saved and getting into the Kingdom is same as escaping the damnation of hell (Mathew 23:33).
Salvation also brings peace from the Prince of peace because there is no peace for the wicked (the stubborn sinner).
Reconciliation with God through Christ also ensures God's abiding presence here on earth despite the turbulence and troubles (John 16:33).
It guarantees speedy answer to one's prayers. etc.
Your denial of the existence of hellfire doesn't change the reality.
Christ warned His disciples, followers as well as the hypocritical religious Pharisess that hellfire actually exists (Matthew 23:15,33; 25:41,46; Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 21:.
It is sheer wickedness to know the reality of eternal damnation for the unrepentant and pretend it doesn't.
It is wickedness to "compass sea and land to make proselytes only to make them twofold the children of hell than yourselves" (Matthew 23:15).
By the grace of God, many who have been deceived by your religious sect will have their eyes open and know the truth that will set them free before they die in Jesus' name, Amen
(John 8:31,32).

FreedomfromtheT:
Your ignorance is glaring sir.
There is bad news as well as good news and both are permitted by God to be written in the Scriptures.
The bad news is that all have sinned as offsprings of Adam and thus are on their way to perdition in hellfire if nothing is done (Romans 3:23).

Why misquote your Bible? Is hellfire written in Romans 3:23?


You say hellfire is perpetual torture.
Oga, what is perdition?

Is perdition meaning perpetual torture?

Oga, don't be mischievous.

FreedomfromtheT:


Thank God for the good news which is that Christ has come to deliver those who accept Him from the wrath to come (1st Thessalonians 1:10).
It is a scam to give people one-sided information especially about the eternal consequences of their life on earth.
You can keep on deceiving yourself and the deceived that hellfire is imaginary until you get there (I pray it doesn't happen to you).
Let's assume Jehovah's witnesses are right that hellfire is imaginary and I die believing hellfire is real. What do I have to lose?
On the other hand, what if you live your life believing that hellfire is imaginary as taught by Jehovah's witnesses, only to die and to your chagrin, there is hellfire and it is for all ETERNITY, will there be any remedies?
Why take chances with your eternal wellbeing?
Why gamble with the prospect of an eternal, uncorrectable mistake?
Why not be on the safe side?
I know people are wise.

FreedomfromtheT:

The gospel is meant for bad people to repent.

MaxInDHouse:


This is a lie, the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom wasn't for BAD PEOPLE!

This is what Jesus said when sending his disciples out for the preaching:

"go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 10:6

Here Jesus is directing them to search for good people whose hearts are weighed down by the bad things happening in the world so they can have full confidence in the promises of God.
BAD PEOPLE don't expect anything from God but GOOD PEOPLE are searching for God with all their hearts despite all the contradictions Satan has caused to mislead them they feel like knowing how to serve God.

For Instance Jesus found a Samaritan woman by Jacob's well from their discussion it's obvious this woman wants to know the secret behind the contradictions in worship {John 4:20} this are the type of people Jesus sent us to fish out {Mark 1:17} not evil people who don't even care about God.
The two thieves besides Jesus at his execution is another account to consider one has a good conscience while the other doesn't care {Luke 23:40} Jesus didn't preach to any of them at his execution rather it's the other unrepentant guy that started this conversation the good one was feeling guilty already looking for a way to approach Jesus but he doesn't know how to go about it not until he had the opportunity to voice his apology for not believing what he has heard about the Christ.

So my churchgoer friend the GOOD NEWS isn't for BAD PEOPLE o it was strictly reserved for GOOD PEOPLE who don't know how to connect their Creator!

GOOD NEWS for GOOD PEOPLE:

The meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. Psalms 37:11 compare to Matthew 5:5

So follow the way of good people And stay on the paths of the righteous,For only the upright will reside in the earth, And the blameless will remain in it. Proverbs 2:20-21 compare to Matthew 5:11-12

BAD NEWS for BAD PEOPLE:

The wicked will retreat toward the Grave, All the nations who forget God. Psalms 9:17

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. Psalms 37:9-10

As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, And the treacherous will be torn away from it. Proverbs 2:22

I can show you more and more GOOD and BAD news in the Bible but Jesus sent us out for the GOOD NEWS not the BAD.

So talk about Jesus' disciples sent out as fishers of men think about Jehovah's Witnesses we are the one and only true Christians that knows the difference between GOOD and BAD NEWS, of course you can't make any competent disciples with BAD NEWS that's why we are called FISHERS of MEN.
No fisher goes to the sea threatening the fish and expecting to have a good catch!

Janosky:


Why misquote your Bible? Is hellfire written in Romans 3:23?


You say hellfire is perpetual torture.
Oga, what is perdition?

Is perdition meaning perpetual torture?

Oga, don't be mischievous.



2 Peter 2:6
Later, God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them into heaps of ashes. He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people"


Oga, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
what Sodom and Gomorrah lose?

Did your own Bible say ungodly people will receive the same punishment like Sodom and Gomorrah?
Is your God still torturing Sodom and Gomorrah today?

FreedomfromtheT:
If everyone were good, there would be no need for the gospel or good news to be preached in the first place.
It is because we were all bad or sinful from birth that the gospel is being preached so that those who will can respond to the gospel message and be transformed by Christ the only Saviour.
What we Deeper Life Bible Church members and other living Churches preach is Good News in the sense that it gives sinners hope that irrespective of their past or even present sinfulness, they can still be accepted, forgiven and granted entrance into God's Kingdom if they repent and follow Christ henceforth.
But the bad news is for those who refuse or spurnthe goods news will suffering in hell for all eternity (John 3:19, Romans 2:5,8,9)
Thanks.

FreedomfromtheT:
How do you mean sir?
Is that why you hate them?

FreedomfromtheT:
You Jehovah's witnesses can choose to believe and propagate what you want people to believe but it doesn't change the Scriptural truth and reality.

The soul is immortal. It ever dies (Luke 16:22-28; Luke 23:43; Acts7:55-60; Philippians 1:22-24).

FreedomfromtheT:


The implication is that the sinners of Sodom and Gomorrah are still suffering in hell today and will continue to suffer for all eternity.
In the same vein, all unrepentant sinners and backslidders will suffer for all eternity (Matthew 25:41,46).
Please don't be deceived.
No excuses will avail.
Repent today and believe the gospel.
Thank you.

Is Adam the first evildoer suffering for all eternity?

Oga,You read 2 Peter 2:6 & still persists in your folly of TWISTING the holy scriptures.



Like Adam like all evildoers.
No more no less.
Same punishment, Romans 3:23

I was a Deeper Life member and worker and almost a Pastor for about 20 years.

Initially when you join it appears to be one great club of humble believers, but afterwards you notice the following traits of their organisation ;
■ They are beholden to one man, Pastor Kumuyi
■ Anything Pastor Kumuiyi says is truth and if you do not like it you must leave or start your own church
■ They are so spiritually arrogant, and portray their church as the next best thing to holiness while other churches are either further away from holiness or fake altogether
■ They separate families, husbands and wives, children and parents, siblings, co-workers etc .
■ If you are in a second marriage and become born again (so called), you must go back to your first wife and reconcile to her, assuming she is unmarried because your second wife is not recognized by God. Imagine the confusion this will cause especially with children involved.
■ They lack true compassion and love for everyone else other than their own members
■ They use hell fire to threaten their members into paying tithes and to abide by church rules and regulations.
■ If you are not careful, the church will take over your individuality and you will become another zombie minion without a mind of your own
■ The church also has to tendency to preach against wine or alcohol intake, something that was never commanded in the bible, rather the bible says we should do everything in moderation
■ It is difficult to be truly happy in Deeper Life because you are always fighting one sin or the other or chasing one demon or the other
■ Their focus is strongly selfish, it is all about your own salvation and escaping hell to make heaven.
■ They will often tell off young women for certain styles of dressing, the problem is many of these same women have the heart of Jezebel, very similar to a modest radical Muslim woman who despite dressing modestly with the Hijab will easily blow up innocent civilians in the name of her god.
■ They preach the fables and myths of a fictitious rapture (started by a charlatan called Scholfield ) , Trinity and Hell fire

Young ones, do not be enticed to join. God has called you to express your individuality and make choices in favour of righteousness and peace. God does not want any man to rule over you or force his own belief on you. You are answerable only to God and not Man.

Enjoy this life and all that goes with you, don’t live a life of misery in the name or religion.

Janosky:


Mark 3:4, Jesus Christ rejected your claim.
Jesus says man kills a soul & also saves a soul..
Mark 3:4
"And he says to them, Is it lawful in the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? to save a soul, or to kill? And they were silent"

Oga,Your quote of holy scriptures is off point.



Is Adam the first evildoer suffering for all eternity?

Oga,You read 2 Peter 2:6 & still persists in your folly of TWISTING the holy scriptures.



Like Adam like all evildoers.
No more no less.
Same punishment, Romans 3:23

sonmvayina:


Lol...I don't hate anybody...

Hate is a strong word....

Just speaking for some people..

FreedomfromtheT:

unrepentant sinner who dies in sin -Adam or Cain, Dothan, Korah or Abiram, Balaam or Balak, Saul or Ahitophel, Delilah or Jezebel, Judas Iscariot or Annanais and Saphirah.
So repent today and believe the gospel.
.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀DẸ̀ Kumuyi pikin!

There is a difference between a BAD person and an UNBELIEVER.

Unbelievers don't know anything about God so they don't understand why they should live by the standards set by someone they can't see so they try to figure out what is good and bad on their own.

Bad people are those who don't care no matter what happens they've rendered their conscience dead. So there's no preaching that can change them because they're unwilling to think what is good even under good conditions.


So when Jesus sent us out he said we should go to the "LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL" Matthew 10:6

Lost sheep means good people who are lost in falsehood.
House of Israel means they're supposed to be in the house of faith.

So my friend God has nothing good for bad people stop deceiving yourself with Kumuyi he knows nothing about God's word!

FreedomfromtheT:

Whether an unbeliever or a bad person, as sinner is a sinner until he/she responds to the saving gospel of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:


Did your Bible say this people are in a place of suffering or your Mr Kumuyi assumed so?

Jesus never preached Hell to anyone who is not an Israelite because the Israelites knew what Hell (Hades) means that it's the common Grave of all mankind.
So they knew that while some will be remembered for resurrection many will be forgotten in their Graves! Psalms 9:17

That's what Jesus was use illustration (parables) to teach his Jewish listeners {Matthew 13:13, 34} there is no literal place where God reserved to roast people! Jeremiah 7:31

FreedomfromtheT:
You can continue your self-deception until you die. By then it will be too late.
This your Kumuyi propaganda is becoming stale.
Your hatred and envy for the anointed and respected man of God cannot stop God from continuing to use him to get millions more into His Kingdom.
Your attempt at character assassinating pastor William Folorunso Kumuyi cannot stop God from continuously using him as an instrument to heal multitudes of sick people, to open the eyes of the blind, to make the deaf and dumb hear and speak, to raise the lame and crippled to walk again, to make the mad well again, to remove hunchbacks, to open barren wombs to bear miracle children etc.
Currently, pastor Kumuyi is holding a children/teenagers program from Abuja, Nigeria tagged STARS to the rest of the world with great things happening.
There is nothing haters can do about it.

MaxInDHouse:


Whether you respond or not you're still a sinner that's why you must grow old, get sick and die like all sinners do! Romans 3:23; 5:12

The only chance we have is the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ to have our names written in God's memory book {Job 14:13-15 compare to Malachi 3:16} so there is a big difference between a BAD PERSON and an UNBELIEVER.

Even demons believe in God yet they're evil {James 2:19} so despite the fact that they're believe in God humans who don't believe but kept their good conscience will be rewarded {Romans 2:15} whereas demons that believe will be destroyed.

So there's a big difference between being bad and unbelieving!

FreedomfromtheT:

That the saved person will eventually grow old and die doesn't make the saint a sinner.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself!

God never listed names of people regarding your hellfire brouhaha death is the ultimate wage for sin {Romans 6:23} at death man's sin has been cancelled! Romans 6:7

The only difference between the good and the bad is that God is willing to restore life back to those who chose to be good {Job 14:13-15} but as for bad people they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17

You might have chosen the religion of your choice but i'm proving to you that it's based on credulity not on what God's word really teach!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ the only reason why people are dying is SIN so whether you accept Jesus or not you're still a sinner that's why you must grow old, get sick and die!

The only difference is saving grace which makes the names of repentant sinners appear in God's memory book.

Sinner is sinner it's being the REPENTANT or UNREPENTANT that makes a DIFFERENCE!

FreedomfromtheT:
Both the sinners and the righteous will die. So death referred to in Romans 3:23 is not the untimate wage for sin. There is punishment beyond death for the unrepentant sinners and backslidders (Matthew 25:41,46; Luke 12:4,5; Ist Thessalonians 1:10; 2nd Peter 2:17-22; Jude verse 13; Revelations 21:.

FreedomfromtheT:

A sinner is not a Christian and a Christian is no longer a sinner.

MaxInDHouse:


Are you more Christian than Apostle Paul?

Well he explained that he is still a sinner despite being saved! Romans 7:15-25 compare to James 3:2

FreedomfromtheT:
Nonsencical comments born out of ignorance and envy.

FreedomfromtheT:
Your interpretation of Mark 3:4 is erroneous.
.

Oga, that is the correct rendition of Mark 3:4 exposure of your delusion.
It's not my interpretation

You claim to read Bible & you don't know that Soul means life?
You still don't know that soul means a living person?
You still don't know that to save a living person is to save a soul/ life?
Oga, please stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.

FreedomfromtheT:
Here you are again with your erroneous interpretation of the Scriptures to justify your sinfulness while claiming to be a Christian.
Romans 7:15-25 Is a vivid description of the unsaved religious person still struggling with sin.
Earlier in Romans 6:1,2, the same Paul said emphatically that a genuinely saved Christian cannot continue in sin and expect the grace of God to abound.
In James 3:2 that you quoted, the Apostle James was admonishing Christians especially the leaders to be careful because if not, they will sin with their mouths. You need to read the entire chapter 3 of James to see that Apostle James was talking about the relationship between the state of the heart and what we say with our mouths. He was not justifying malice, envying and strife the heart that leads to cursing and bitter outbursts. Those are characteristics of the unsaved and should not be associated with the saints.
You can see that you Jehovah's witnesses and other unsaved religious sinners can't teach experiencial salvation and purity of life because you can't give what you don't have.
Please come to Christ today and get saved before you die.
Thank you.

FreedomfromtheT:
Your interpretation of Mark 3:4 is erroneous.
Jesus Christ condemned the religious fault-finders for being angry that He healed a man with a withered hand on the Sabbath day hence the question "Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days or to do evil, to save a life or to destroy it?". Obviously, He meant that if one is in a position to heal a sick person or help such a one but doesn't do it (due to religious dogma), he is inadvertently destroying the person.
So it is erroneous to equate a life which a man can decide either to preserve or to kill with the immortal soul which a man doesn't have power over .

FreedomfromtheT:


(Luke 12:4,5 "And I say unto you my friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body and after that have no more than they can do, but I will forwarn you whom ye shall fear, FEAR HIM WHICH AFTER HE HAS KILLED, HAS POWER TO CAST INTO HELL: YEA, I SAY UNTO YOU, FEAR HIM".
Therefore, we can see clearly here that the hell that Jesus, the embodiment of truth meant, is not just the grave as erroneously propagated by the false teachers because it is fellow humans that bury dead people and not God.
The hell Jesus meant is obviously a horrible place of suffering hence the serious warning (Luke12:4,5).
God's word is not a respecter of any unrepentant sinner who dies in sin -Adam or Cain, Dothan, Korah or Abiram, Balaam or Balak, Saul or Ahitophel, Delilah or Jezebel, Judas Iscariot or Annanais and Saphirah.
So repent today and believe the gospel.
Tomorrow might be too late.
The excuse that Jehovah's witnesses deceived or confused you is not tenable before God.
Please don't make an eternally uncorrectable mistake.
Thank you.

Kumuyi your Pastor knows that Jesus Christ NEVER mention Hellfire or hell anywhere in your Bible.

At Luke 12:5 Gehenna was mistranslated as hell. Oga, I challenge you to confirm this fact from kumuyi.

MaxInDHouse:
Kumuyi wanted them to be separated from all other sects claiming denominations under the umbrella of Christendom like Jehovah's Witnesses but he has no unique teaching to make them different so he told them they're the only BORN AGAIN Christian group that's why Deeperlifers often feel all other religions are going to hell.

It's just of recent that he started inviting people from other religions to come and MINISTER in his church but before then he taught his church members that those people aren't BORN AGAIN.

I laughed really hard the first time is saw a lady
with make-up and earrings in a billboard that Kumuyi the Deeperlifer man organized a program, the white lady is one of the invited ministers to officiate then musicians were also invited that's when it occurred to me that Mr Deeperlifer meant what he said that he's going to change some of his teachings.
But trust Nigerians nah some of those he's been deceiving for years began complaining about the sudden change!

The sect is just the same as all others because they preach, sing and pray the same way others do it's only that Mr Kumuyi decided to lock them up in a box for years making them feel they're special in some ways!