hopefulLandlord:





Isn't it funny how the Bible is such a cute little book that says a lot of things here then says something totally contradictory in another so you can always pick and choose based on a narrative you want to maintain?

The same Bible you said faith without works is dead has Jesus say the exact opposite MANY times in the same book!

Let's look at them
And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22)

Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20)

Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25)

And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14)

(Matthew 17:20 For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.)


Nothing in all these point to works and how lack of work stand in the way of prayers and most importantly, it's from Jesus himself

.....for me I am not against prayer..me too I also pray...but when it comes to development of a country prayers alone cannot do much without applying work or good goverance..it's just like a bad road and you pray to God for this bad road to be rehabilitated and constructedd and done.... after the prayers will God come down from heaven and construct the bad road for you?....it's the still the government or people that will still have to rehabilitate and construct the bad road to be good and good for people to use..that is the work and good goverance I am talking about..God will not come down from heaven and rehabilitate and construct the road after you have prayed to God about the bad road

Acidosis:



"Eternal glory."

Now you would need at least 10 years of consistent grooming in the word of God to understand this term.

Na so !

Acidosis:



"Eternal glory."

Now you would need at least 10 years of consistent grooming in the word of God to understand this term.

Na so !

Not only grooming even baking.

kettykin:
This is really funny,is God answering the prayers of least praying countries and ignoring the prayers of most praying countries

It's because most of the prayers are being said by wicked people. Not only that, the prayers are being offered to non-performing idols!

kettykin:
This is really funny,is God answering the prayers of least praying countries and ignoring the prayers of most praying countries

God answering prayers is dependent on the condition of your heart..... Most Nigerians are wicked, evil and dubious full of hatred and corruption.

waice6571:


What exactly did you want God to for Nigerians during covid that he has not done? People died in their thousands in many advanced countries of the world...... Our government was envying the them because it would have given them perfect opportunity to beg for ventilators and financial aids.

You are missing the mark because you are substituting to responsibilities of your governments to that of God. You are the reason why you are poor not God.
PRAY and WORK is the correct order of faith.

1. In Nigeria(and many other 3rd world countries), we didn't have covid impact on us. Why?
First things first, the life expectancy in Nigeria is 50 years or so. In Italy, its 82, US its 77 and China 78. What it means is they generally outlive us, with better quality of life, because of better healthcare, food, air etc. So they have a higher percentage of elderly folks. And since they have better healthcare, old folks with debilitating diseases like heart, liver and kidney failures live longer. In Nigeria, most of these folks are already dead due to relatively poorer healthcare system. Now what covid did was wipe out all these elderly folks in these countries because those diseases reduce immunity. Since the population here is relatively young, the impact of covid was lessened. Old folks died for sure, but we didn't have the numbers we had like Italy had. Remember italy was severely ravaged then, but their young folks were still there, playing Serie A and shouting in the stadia. Worse still, they had hospices and old people's home where old folks are kept, so it was easy for covid to clear old folks.
The vaxxes did a job of helping the morbidity and mortality, but the virus started mutating and its variants are tormenting Chinese senior citizens . Covid never went away, bro. It just mutated/evolved to a more virulent strain. Back then we had Delta, before it mutated to Alpha and Omicron. And the more mutations it undergoes, the less virulent it is. So that means less troublesome symptoms like cough, breathlessness. But the drawback is it spreads easier now. Everyone now has it. Many have multiple infections in a month but the more infections the less troublesome the symptoms are(if it is the same strain).
Remember December 2021 people had catarrh and other respiratory symptoms which they attributed to the weather. That was the start of Omicron in Nigeria.
So next time people say BS, try and research and come to your own conclusion, and reduce our IPSI levels.
2. Its funny you are twisting what the bible said so it would be out of the line of fire.
Your bible clearly said

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened Matthew 7:7-8

I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25)

And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14)

(Matthew 17:20 For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

Not only that it literally said the above, your pastors and members also say the same thing. So wtf are you yammering about?
3. You said Pray and Work is the correct order, right?
What about Work and no Pray? Do you think it yields results?

Yusufisraelj:


I laugh in Swahili, pray all you want you don't have ethics and morals, nothing changes.

However prayer remains the foundation for anything great. America and great Britain were prayerful countries at some point in time.

Prayerful countries you say?
So what about Saudi Arabia, China, Japan? How did they get great?

jaephoenix:

What is this one saying?
Lemme repeat the question.
Lots of countries lower in the prayer pecking order are excelling. Some without even praying. Some even prayed to the wrong gods(according to your perspective). Yet they perform better than countries that pray to Yahweh. How do you defend that?

The explanation is that they have put their brains to work than others

Do you understand now?

Yet the first two countries are......

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ovieigho:
Devil is trying to stray you away from praying ….

USA dedicate a day in the country for thanksgiving….

Prayer works , don’t let devil put up wrong statistics to devalue prayer


Trying to list poorest and crisis ridden countries as most prayerful is why I questioned this statistic!!

Devil is a liar ..

The lord bless you

waice6571:


It has been the major anchor of my life.... I may not be able to share my story online but, after a terrible betrayal from a friend and all that went down with it for more than 3 years of sorrows..... there was a total turn around in just 3months...
Thank God for faith and hope that sustained me.

You can have a turnaround without prayers. Happened to me severally when my wallet was hacked with 6m worth of crypto stolen and a platform I was using rug pulled.
Just like people in countries like UK, Netherlands who don't pray, I just manned up and took control of my life. I never prayed to any imaginary sky daddy.
Same with when my pops died.
You don't need prayers. Its useless

doggedfighter:


Na so !

Not only grooming even baking.

So you be atheist?

kettykin:
This is really funny,is God answering the prayers of least praying countries and ignoring the prayers of most praying countries

That's a blatant lies , God is with Nigeria if not we could have been like a war torn country by now

jaephoenix:

Like most christians, you don't know much. Look at this. Don't run away from reality

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1203455/distribution-of-religions-in-nigeria/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nigeria
https://www.thearda.com/world-religion/national-profiles?u=166c
These 3 sources put christianity at average of 47.5% or thereabouts

May be it was long time ago but not up to that % this day.
A look at the just concluded presidential election is enough to clear anyone's doubt. APC prensented Muslim-Muslim ticket and came first. PDP presented another Muslim who came second. LP with a Christian candidate and all the campaign to get most of the Christians votes for him landed him third position.
Muslims marry more than one wife, Christians preach against multiple wives. Muslims marry early while Christians marry late.

kettykin:
This is really funny,is God answering the prayers of least praying countries and ignoring the prayers of most praying countries

God is answering our prayers. But our leaders and politicians are monopolizing it.

ovieigho:
Devil is trying to stray you away from praying ….

USA dedicate a day in the country for thanksgiving….

Prayer works , don’t let devil put up wrong statistics to devalue prayer


Trying to list poorest and crisis ridden countries as most prayerful is why I questioned this statistic!!

Devil is a liar ..

Your foolishness no get mate

jaephoenix:

Yup

The Qataris and Emiratis also pray daily, including Saudis. How come they are among the richest in the world?

hopefulLandlord:
Work hard to make your heart desires come to pass. praying is a futile attempt. there's been no single study that points to prayer being useful. Templeton Foundation (a religious group) ran a study and found out prayers are useless

You would have the same success praying to a milk jug as you do praying to god -- the milk jug sometimes answers your prayer the way you want to, sometimes not and sometimes the answer is delayed. See the problem here? If things turn out the way you want them to, you say it was because you prayed. If not, it's because god knows what's best and you didn't pray for the right thing. Or, if it happens 10 years later you say god answered your prayer, it was just delayed. This is nonsense. You would have the exact same effect doing nothing.

Really?

You are a kid.

gidjah:
I refused to be bullied by some depressed and ignotant individuals,I shall Never stop PRAYING ,Praying draws me closer(in total Fellowship) to my maker who I will eternally be accountable to at the end of my sojourn here .I shall not stop been a hard working ,diligent and perseverant person too,trusting my efforts All-Round will pay some day.

Perfect answer bro.

wirinet:


They forced God on our lives. Religious is the most potent element of slavery and colonalisation. Even after physical slavery was abolished, psychological and mental slavery persists till today. We are slaves both to Arab and European Gods.

Before the Europeans came with their religion, were our forefathers Athiests?

MUMU

blueAgent:

Really?

You are a kid.

Nice rejoinder bro

blueAgent:



Before the Europeans came with their religion, were our forefathers Athiests?

MUMU

Why the personal insult? Did I even quote you?
You brand of theism must be very violent and evil for you to be so angry at those who don't even know you exist.

wirinet:


Why the personal insult? Did I even quote you?
You brand of theism must be very violent and evil for you to be so angry at those who don't even know you exist.

Answer the question.

jaephoenix:

I knew you would say this. And I was waiting for you.
So the next question. If yahweh has answered everyone's prayers THEN WHY DO WE STILL PRAY? Why do they harass us to pray without ceasing in the bible? 😆

What exactly do you think Prayer or Praying is about?!!

Do you actually think or believe praying is solely about making requests or seeking favors?!!

Praying is an act of communing with Divine or Supernatural beings... Making demands or requests is just one aspect of praying.

Asking people to pray without ceasing is not the same as telling them to "solely make requests" without ceasing... It is simply teaching and commending them to stay in communication with their creator or Divine Father.

If people choose to pray without working, that is a function of their personal philosophy of indolence.

Maybe you should research further, and see that there is somewhere in the Bible where people are warned against praying amiss and told to eschew vain repetitions.


You see... Contrary to your thinking, true religion doesn't encourage mental and physical laziness.

wirinet:


Why the personal insult? Did I even quote you?
You brand of theism must be very violent and evil for you to be so angry at those who don't even know you exist.

Let's pretend that the insult is not there...!

Please, answer his question... Prior to colonialism and neocolonialism, were our ancestors Atheists?!!

It's a very good question... Blaming every issue in poor and underdeveloped nations on religion kinda borders on close-ended and narrow reasoning.

Angelfrost:


Let's pretend that the insult is not there...!

Please, answer his question... Prior to colonialism and neocolonialism, were our ancestors Atheists?!!

It's a very good question... Blaming every issue in poor and underdeveloped nations on religion kinda borders on close-ended and narrow reasoning.

I cannot forget the insults is not there. I have been on this forum for a very long time and I have had serious differences of opinions with lots of people including the owner seun, I have never been personally insulted.
I don't want to go down that path of trading insults with anonymous people on line due to differences of opinion, so kindly ignore my posts and I will ignore yours. I am sure there are plenty others that will enjoy trading insults with you.

Kuginzi:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2023/10/nigeria-is-2nd-most-prayerful-country-on-earth/amp/

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wirinet:

I cannot forget the insults is not there. I have been on this forum for a very long time and I have had serious differences of opinions with lots of people including the owner seun, I have never been personally insulted.
I don't want to go down that path of trading insults with anonymous people on line due to differences of opinion, so kindly ignore my posts and I will ignore yours. I am sure there are plenty others that will enjoy trading insults with you.

But I didn't insult you... I am not the person who quoted you there.

I'm merely interested in the earlier part of the post which is a good discussion and teachable point.

I agree with you about the aspect of people using insults... It's just a shame. I have had my fair share of insults.

Honestly, I have lost count... Right now, I think I have grown a thick skin for it.

Without the prayers, with the current level of insecurity and mindless looting of the treasury, Nigeria would have been wiped off the surface of the earth.

It's the prayers that has sustained her. Nigeria is akin to a woman, striped of her clothes and dignity and tied to a stake, with randy men taking turns to rape her. Tell me how such a woman will survive.

No loud am....

tamonokare:
Even una Israel no dey the list

Nolevel666:


Your foolishness no get mate

Were ni daddy e 🤣