budaatum:


To some, a God is doing the selecting you describe.

Oh yeah. That's the hook this knuckleheads are trying to lay in.

LordReed:


LMFAO! You are a BIG FOOL I swear. Reread what you wrote and tell me how unordered state of matter is the same as mindless PROCESS. Chei! What a stupid fellow. Bwahahahahaha!

Fool
Either someone is behind it (controlled and intentional)

Or it happens by itself


Go back to school

budaatum:


To some, a God is doing the selecting you describe.

No
Man is doing the selecting

Aemmyjah:



Fool
Either someone is behind it (controlled and intentional)

Or it happens by itself


Go back to school

Dumdum how is 'it happens on its own' the same as 'unordered state of matter'? See this OLODO! Bwahahahahaha!

LordReed:


Dumdum how is 'it happens on its own' the same as 'unordered state of matter'? See this OLODO! Bwahahahahaha!

Explain how both works or the CAUSE

Mental gymnast

PoliteActivist:

The end result of natural selection is SELECTION OF CERTAIN TRAITS!

No. The above is incorrect. More correct is:

The end result of natural selection is the Prevalence OF CERTAIN TRAITS.

Basically, the result you see is what has prevailed, as opposed to "selected", which implies a selector. But I don't expect us to agree on this since your stance is that there must be a selector (God, designer, etc).

One would not say a designer gave the giraffe a long neck in the example below, but that some giraffes grew longer necks in their search for food and that made their survival more likely, as opposed to being arbitrary selected by some selector to survive.

Aemmyjah:


No
Man is doing the selecting

Nature, if anything. Though not selecting, but forcing adaptation.

It's like you adapt to your environment or you will be jobless and die of hunger. The environment does not select you. It is you who adapts so you live.

Aemmyjah:



Explain how both works or the CAUSE

Mental gymnast

LoLz. Oga na you bring am come na you go explain not me. Olodo. Bwahahahahaha!

budaatum:


Nature, if anything. Though not selecting, but forcing adaptation.

It's like you adapt to your environment or you will be jobless and die of hunger. The environment does not select you. It is you who adapts so you live.

LordReed will not agree with you
Two idiots

Was that by choice?

LordReed:


LoLz. Oga na you bring am come na you go explain not me. Olodo. Bwahahahahaha!

Olodo seeking explanation about mindless chance and chaos

What is the CAUSE of life?

Aemmyjah:


Olodo seeking explanation about mindless chance and chaos

What is the CAUSE of life?

Dumdum you are all over the place. I am not seeking explanations from you, I am letting you expose your ignorance.

Another question I answered you are asking again. LoLz. You are finished. Bwahahahahaha!

Aemmyjah:



LordReed will not agree with you
Two idiots

Was that by choice?

LoLz. Budaatum understands it very well so stop acting like a stupid stubborn child. Bwahahahahaha!

Aemmyjah:


LordReed will not agree with you
Two idiots

Was that by choice?

Was what by choice? That you adapt to your environment or die?

Yes. That is by choice. Though not a choice consciously made in the whole scheme of things.

The giraffe does not 'choose' to adapt a longer neck. It adapts a longer neck eventually because it's parents had longer necks and passed down longer neck genes, while those with shorter necks died and did not survive.

The diagram below shows what the giraffe evolved from. The giraffe family was once much more extensive, with over 10 fossil genera described, but those that did not survive did not sufficiently adapt to their environment.

budaatum:


Was what by choice? That you adapt to your environment or die?

Yes. That is by choice. Though not a choice consciously made in the whole scheme of things.

The giraffe does not 'choose' to adapt a longer neck. It adapts a longer neck eventually because it's parents had longer necks and passed down longer neck genes, while those with shorter necks died and did not survive.

The diagram below shows what the giraffe evolved from. The giraffe family was once much more extensive, with over 10 fossil genera described, but those that did not survive did not sufficiently adapt to their environment.

Lol
I can't recall where I read that
There's no proof that giraffes had not always had longer necks

Interestingly, adaptation is among the 5 postulates of Darwin under natural selection and selection itself is included


There's no proof of giraffe with shorter necks. That is scientific fiction. I think Lamarck was the one that brought up that theory - now obsolete

LordReed:


LoLz. Budaatum understands it very well so stop acting like a stupid stubborn child. Bwahahahahaha!

If Adaptation is not by choice
What about the other 4

Darwin mentioned 5 under natural selection
Is there no 'selection' in the process of adaptation as the other used with his illustration of giraffe
Two mumu

LordReed:


LoLz. Oga na you bring am come na you go explain not me. Olodo. Bwahahahahaha!

Olodo has entered a tight corner


Life is an effect
Every effect has a Cause
Either that cause is an intelligent mind or by accident

Olodo does not accept either

Aemmyjah:



If Adaptation is not by choice
What about the other 4

Darwin mentioned 5 under natural selection
Is there no 'selection' in the process of adaptation as the other used with his illustration of giraffe
Two mumu

There is no "selector", period. Unless you want to claim the giraffe put its own neck in to it's own selecting to survive.

It's like you can select to adapt or not to converse without the rude insults. Though since such adaptations may happen over generations, the choice may not exactly be yours, especially if it's not passed down to you by your parents

Aemmyjah:


Lol
I can't recall where I read that
There's no proof that giraffes had not always had longer necks

Apart from the fact that giraffes did not always exist, long neck or not, There is sufficient fossil evidence showing that once upon a time, giraffes had much shorter necks.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.150521

Aemmyjah:

There's no proof of giraffe with shorter necks.

There are many who claim there is no evidence for the tyrannosaurus too, but I think they haven't bothered to look.

budaatum:


There are many who claim there is no evidence for the tyrannosaurus too, but think they haven't bothered to look.

Just de play

Aemmyjah:



Just de play

I don't play with nor about serious knowledge like this, Aemmyjah.

Just, if it so happens that there is more to the world and universe than can be found in one book, it would bother me if some say otherwise, especially if the books themself have it written in them that they are not all there is.

Aemmyjah:



Olodo has entered a tight corner


Life is an effect
Every effect has a Cause
Either that cause is an intelligent mind or by accident

Olodo does not accept either

LoLz. Your brain Don dey skip again,going back to 2 choices. Bwahahahahaha!

Dumdum you initiated it, you get to explain it so na you enter tight corner con dey shit for your own pant. LMAO!

LordReed:


Wait you don't know the significance of 1st of April? LoLz.

Plus he literary says its a conspiracy theory IN THE ARTICLE. Bwahahahahaha!

Funny guy. The below are from 2024 and not April 1st!

LordReed:


Still not showing how special relativity points to how there should be no limit.

Honestly this suggests a flaw in your mental state. Is there a limit to how far back you can go into the past or into the future? Or how high or low you can count. Or how hot or cold it can get? Etc. See below

budaatum:


No. The above is incorrect. More correct is:

The end result of natural selection is the Prevalence OF CERTAIN TRAITS.

Basically, the result you see is what has prevailed, as opposed to "selected", which implies a selector. But I don't expect us to agree on this since your stance is that there must be a selector (God, designer, etc).

One would not say a designer gave the giraffe a long neck in the example below, but that some giraffes grew longer necks in their search for food and that made their survival more likely, as opposed to being arbitrary selected by some selector to survive.

Please don't turn into another LordReed on us - master of the obvious. The language has been "selected" and "selected for" since 1859 till today - used by all professors and experts in the field, from Darwin till now. ONLY you and Reed think it implies that something or someone is going about selecting!🙄
In your world "as if" and "It may be said" don't exist! (Which is language Darwin used below)

PoliteActivist:


Please don't turn into another LordReed on us - master of the obvious. The language has been "selected" and "selected for" since 1859 till today - used by all professors and experts in the field, from Darwin till now. ONLY you and Reed think it implies that something or someone is going about selecting!🙄
In your world "as if" and "It may be said" don't exist! (Which is language Darwin used below)

Actually that's what you believe or what do you think intelligent design means?

PoliteActivist:


Honestly this suggests a flaw in your mental state. Is there a limit to how far back you can go into the past or into the future? Or how high or low you can count. Or how hot or cold it can get? Etc. See below

Dumdum special relativity has already accounted for that so it is up to you to show what property of the universe dictates that there should be no limit.

PoliteActivist:


Funny guy. The below are from 2024 and not April 1st!

Is it the same article or a different one?

So you are going to ignore that the article YOU brought calls simulation hypothesis a conspiracy theory?

Dude I have designed simulations, nobody I know designs a simulation with the limits of the processor in mind. Rather simulations are designed with the limits of the required OUTPUTS in mind. Plus you can simulate unlimited speed on practically any modern processor, games do it all the time. This is not a valid reason at all.

LordReed:


Actually that's what you believe or what do you think intelligent design means?

Meaning what? I've done everything, including posting the definition below. You keep mindlessly repeating that nature doesn't go about selecting (I'm tempted to add "like a slowpoke" ). EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!! That is, everybody except you and budaatum. Listen, the net EFFECT is SELECTION!!! If an environment favors survival of tall people, over time tallness will be SELECTED FOR!!!

By the way, you folks,
1) If humans were NOT DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity and love what's not, where did that come from?
2) Where did things like lions liking raw meat and never eating grass, and goats liking grass, come from? It's not as if these animals evolved on different planets!
3) Can't you folks see that evolution and natural selection are perfect examples of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy? (Look it up )
4) Can't you folks see that there is so much they can't explain? Things like consciousness, abiogenesis, why lower animals generally have shorter life spans than humans, why lower animals are not capable of abstract thought, complex organs like eyes, dna, etc, etc.
5) In short, can't you folks see that evolution (much like atheism) is a religion - you just believe it or you don't!

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PoliteActivist:


Please don't turn into another LordReed on us - master of the obvious. The language has been "selected" and "selected for" since 1859 till today - used by all professors and experts in the field, from Darwin till now. ONLY you and Reed think it implies that something or someone is going about selecting!🙄
In your world "as if" and "It may be said" don't exist! (Which is language Darwin used below)

"It may be said" does not mean it is so or even meant to be so.

I have just one question for you. Did Darwin give you the impression that he believes in the existence of a Selector?

budaatum:


"It may be said" does not mean it is so or even meant to be so.

I have just one question for you. Did Darwin give you the impression that he believes in the existence of a Selector?

Why not go and ask him to educate you on natural selection

Aemmyjah:


Why not go and ask him to educate you on natural selection

PoliteActivist has not shown he understands natural selection, so I'd be silly to ask him to educate me on it.