BabaGnoni:


What are you on? Drinking some cheap home brew or something which has blurred your vision?
Or maybe you should go to Specsavers over "Quote and bible"

Story story.... The bible was not complied then, therfore they couldn't have quoted scriptures from the bible... Get it......

You are clearly emotionally attached to the bible, that's why you couldn't comprehend my awesome statement from the beginning.. Hence your initial gra gra..

Meanwhile I just finished a chilled bottle of moscato... Life is good...

GooseBaba:
Story story.... The bible was not complied then, therfore they couldn't have quoted scriptures from the bible... Get it......

You are clearly emotionally attached to the bible, that's why you couldn't comprehend my awesome statement from the beginning..
Hence your initial gra gra..

Meanwhile I just finished a chilled bottle of moscato... Life is good...

You my dear sire, are as slippery as they come

You wouldn't be able to decipher someone "clearly emotionally attached to the bible" even if one is breathing down your neck. Pftt. SMH

Permit me to refresh your memory with some of your mischiefs:

Oh, I see, we have moved the goal post, have we.

Even stretched it from "Nowhere in the bible did a character in the bible quote scriptures from the bible"
to now "literally quote scriptures and the exact verse from the OT... quoted any of the 66 books.. FACT.. Not preaching..."

So now Isaiah that Jesus quoted from, isnt part of the 66 books Bible compilation

Also repeat or reference the alleged "initial gra gra" to compare with your "jawando"

BabaGnoni:


You my dear sire, are as slippery as they come

You wouldn't be able to decipher someone "clearly emotionally attached to the bible" even if one is breathing down your neck. Pftt. SMH

Permit me to refresh your memory with some of your mischiefs:

Oh, I see, we have moved the goal post, have we.

Even stretched it from "Nowhere in the bible did a character in the bible quote scriptures from the bible"
to now "literally quote scriptures and the exact verse from the OT... quoted any of the 66 books.. FACT.. Not preaching..."

So now Isaiah that Jesus quoted from, isnt part of the 66 books Bible compilation

You're still running from pillar to post with the bolded.. Smh

She has already answered my statement by validating it via common sense application of fact and comprehension.

You on the other hand wants to show off for jesus.. I understand that is the word of your god. But, Let's call a spade a spade, when you make statements like biblical verses where not divine, but ignore the fact that the book was complied by men and you see it as the words of an infinite.. ... Hmmmm.. I say you're emotionally attached..

There is no 'gist' here. What's the difference between me quoting scriptures thus, 'Jesus Wept' and "The Bible says in the Gospel of Saint John chapter eleven and verse thirty five,'Jesus wept'"?

BabaGnoni is way too kind and he offered a soft landing but you are hellbent on arguing even when you are clearly wrong.

GooseBaba:


Ha..! So you get the gist..... That's all my statement stood on... And he is busy running from pillar to post..

I call it initial gra gra...

6 humble pies... No way I'm watching my calories intake..

vooks:

There is no 'gist' here. What's the difference between me quoting scriptures thus, 'Jesus Wept' and "The Bible says in the Gospel of Saint John chapter eleven and verse thirty five,'Jesus wept'"?

BabaGnoni is way too kind and he offered a soft landing but you are hellbent on arguing even when you are clearly wrong.

Ha....which nonsense soft landing... Where in the bible did any biblical character use the word john chapter eleven verse thirty five....!? that was my statement that he Challenge.. NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DID A CHARACTER IN THE BIBLE QUOTE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE...!

I guess you answer it by fluke... Smh.. All these bible thumpers..

So, when do you reckon it was compiled? Last year?

They had the old testament canon long before Christ was born

Luke 11:51King James Version (KJV)

51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
In this verse you decipher the Old Testament canon. Your assignment for the rest of the year is to go figure this

GooseBaba:


Story story.... The bible was not complied then, therfore they couldn't have quoted scriptures from the bible... Get it......
..

What do you understand by the word Bible?
I apologise for assuming too much

GooseBaba:


Ha....which nonsense soft landing... Where in the bible did any biblical character use the word john chapter eleven verse thirty five....!? that was my statement that he Challenge.. NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DID A CHARACTER IN THE BIBLE QUOTE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE...!

I guess you answer it by fluke... Smh.. All these bible thumpers..

GooseBaba:
You're still running from pillar to post with the bolded.. Smh

She has already answered my statement by validating it via common sense application of fact and comprehension.

You on the other hand wants to show off for jesus.. I understand that is the word of your god.
But, Let's call a spade a spade, when you make statements like biblical verses where divine...
Hmmmm.. I say you're emotionally attached..

You keep making gaffes after gaffes
Your first gaffe that prompted me challenging and/or asking whether you want to recant, retract, modify or edit was:
Nowhere in the bible did a character in the bible quote scriptures from the bible... - © GooseBaba

Maybe vooks would stand shoulder to shoulder with you on that remark
- by the way, FYI, vooks is a bloke and not a broad

You should have copped on that it was a typo, which I immediately corrected by typing in the missing "not" in capitals
All scripture are divinelly inspired, whereas chapters, verses and translation are NOT divinely inspired
- You wouldn't have any problems finding plenty posts of mine previously making this statement

Part of the reason, I submitted to you that you wouldn't be able to recognise someone emotionally attached to the bible, if you state, I am emotionally attached to it.

I had earlier posted on this thread dialoguing with frosbel on the inaccuracies of the trinity, hell, hades, the few word additions added to the original text (i.e. 1 John 5:7) to make a doctrine of it etcetera

Do those remarks made look like, it's from someone who is emotionally attached to the bible?
Will such person make statements that biblical verses were divine?

Only a gaffe-smith will come to such ludicrous, ridiculous and inexperienced conclusion GooseBaba
- give a brother a break, that was a typo, which I immediately spotted, facepalmed and quickly addressed

GooseBaba:
Story story.... The bible was not complied then, therfore they couldn't have quoted scriptures from the bible... Get it......

You are clearly emotionally attached to the bible, that's why you couldn't comprehend my awesome statement from the beginning.. Hence your initial gra gra..

Meanwhile I just finished a chilled bottle of moscato... Life is good...

vooks:
So, when do you reckon it was compiled? Last year?

They had the old testament canon long before Christ was born

Luke 11:51King James Version (KJV)

51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
In this verse you decipher the Old Testament canon. Your assignment for the rest of the year is to go figure this

^^^
The red bold is meat, he prefers skimmed milk
and preferably bottled

vooks:
What do you understand by the word Bible?
I apologise for assuming too much

Yawns... Who do you think you want to drag into a rubbish debate on historical proportion. Guy abeg waka...

No time for this rubbish that has been debated all over NL...

GooseBaba:
Ha....which nonsense soft landing...
Where in the bible did any biblical character use the word john chapter eleven verse thirty five....!?
that was my statement that he Challenge.. NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DID A CHARACTER IN THE BIBLE QUOTE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE...!

I guess you answer it by fluke... Smh.. All these bible thumpers..

Maybe you're as thick as a 2 plank wood, as I dont know why you're asking "Where in the bible did any biblical character use the word john chapter eleven verse thirty five....!? "
for the umpteeth time, chapters and verses were not in the original Old Testament and New Testament text
so quotes were made verbatim where possible or free-style like from the scripture

You did not start with "Where in the bible did any biblical character use the word john chapter eleven verse thirty five....!?"
but rather started out with:
"NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DID A CHARACTER IN THE BIBLE QUOTE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE"

I earlier told you, that, you're a man of many hidden talents, please dont make me add "fibbing" to the already piling up list

You were given Paul, quoting scripture, you weren't satisfied, you were given Jesus, quoting scripture too,
but you still remained headstrong, wont bulge and showed no gratitude.
- Typical self opinionated person.

Bible thumpers?
Pfft. What you've been feeding on? SMH

BabaGnoni:


Maybe you're as thick as a 2 plank wood, as I dont know why you're asking "Where in the bible did any biblical character use the word john chapter eleven verse thirty five....!? "
for the umpteeth time, chapters and verses were not in the original Old Testament and New Testament text
so quotes were made verbatim where possible or free-style like from the scripture

You did not start with "Where in the bible did any biblical character use the word john chapter eleven verse thirty five....!?"
but rather started out with:
"NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DID A CHARACTER IN THE BIBLE QUOTE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE"

I earlier told you, that, you're a man of many hidden talents, please dont make me add "fibbing" to the already piling up list

You were given Paul, quoting scripture, you weren't satisfied, you were given Jesus, quoting scripture too,
but you still remained headstrong, wont bulge and showed no gratitude.
- Typical self opinionated person.

Look at this dubious man... Did I not ask you several times to show me where characters in the bible quote scriptures just as you've been doing..!? Just as you were not free styling you were quoting verses...

You never brought in chapters or verses not in the OT.. Smh... My statement stands valid. You attempt to answer through scriptures instead of common sense..

I hope you find the Truth you seek for.

GooseBaba:
Look at this dubious man...
Did I not ask you several times to show me where characters in the bible quote scriptures just as you've been doing..!?
Just as you were not free styling you were quoting verses...

You never brought in chapters or verses not in the OT.. Smh...

My statement stands valid. You attempt to answer through scriptures instead of common sense..

GooseBaba what's the matter with you
You better stay off that chilled bottle of moscato
and I dont have to be your physician before you take heed of the advice

Were you not told you'll be given two characters "IN THE BIBLE QUOTING SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE" as per your request
Were both promises returned?
Did you read chapters and verses from OT and NT of Paul and Jesus, both were CHARACTERS IN THE BIBLE QUOTING SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE, as per your request?

I doubt you really know what you are talking about when mouthing off "common sense"

andromida says, she hopes you find the Truth you seek for. I do too, I really do hope same for you GooseBaba.

As for: "You never brought in chapters or verses not in the OT.. Smh..."

this is what I wrote:
"What you dont seem to grab is that the original OT & NT texts werent in chapters and verses
- chapters and verses are NOT divinely inspired"

You're either tipsy or your system cant handle the wine
who dash fish raincoat, not everyone, is wine good with
you are under the influence and/or plastered
- stay away from that moscato bottle

johnydon22:
frosbel since you now know that the gospels were written many years after christ and by unknown authors who didnt even know him or seen him and you have agreed on the fabrications in the new testament.. how then do you still believe in christ knowing well that most thing u know about him is untrue and mythical fabrications

hmm joined this thread late but thank God lots of reading tins

BabaGnoni:


GooseBaba what's the matter with you
You better stay off that chilled bottle of moscato
and I dont have to be your physician before you take heed of the advice

Were you not told you'll be given two characters "IN THE BIBLE QUOTING SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE" as per your request
Were both promises returned?
Did you read chapters and verses from OT and NT of Paul and Jesus, both were CHARACTERS IN THE BIBLE QUOTING SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE, as per your request?

I doubt you really know what you are talking about when mouthing off "common sense"

andromida says, she hopes you find the Truth you seek for. I do too, I really do hope same for you GooseBaba.

As for: "You never brought in chapters or verses not in the OT.. Smh..."

this is what I wrote:
"What you dont seem to grab is that the original OT & NT texts werent in chapters and verses
- chapters and verses are NOT divinely inspired"

You're either tipsy or your system cant handle the wine
who dash fish raincoat, not everyone, is wine good with
you are under the influence and/or plastered
- stay away from that moscato bottle

BabaGnoni the BabaGnoni...

I hope you find the truth you seek too.. A bible thumper that deludes himself..

Ps: who the fuvk is andromida..!?

frosbel:
I want to correct some charges that have been brought against me by many religious people on this forum, suggesting that I am an atheist for debunking their myths and contradictions.

I am not an Atheist.

Of course there is God but I am sincerely beginning to doubt that he is the God of the Christian religion.

I have found out that almost 80% of what I learnt as a Christian is either an outright lie, a frabication or a heavy dose of scripture twisting.

Most of you know how fanatical I was a few years ago , fighting for the trinity , hell fire, Virgin birth etc . Well ever since I embarked on a crash course in bible history , it is only God who has prevented my faith from crashing.

No one who reads the truth will deny that there are fundamental issues with a lot of bible stories and scripture. To suggest otherwise makes one a liar and participant in the misrepresentation of God's truth.

I agree with the overall message of the bible ( for there are many truths therein ) , but I cannot agree that it is word of a God when taken as a whole. This is just plain fallacy. Yes , God through his Spirit speaks to us and agrees with the truths he has revealed without which almost everything will become suspect.

I am still learning and now reading a book titled ' The Authentic Gospel of Jesus ' by late Geza Vermes, Professor Emeritus of Jewish studies at Oxford university. He was a former catholic priest. I am also an avid reader of articles by Bart Ehrmn Professor of Religious studies at the University of North Carolina. Bart was a former Evangelical Pastor.

What I have discovered is shocking and not for the faint hearted.

To be honest , I don't know where my quest and thirst for more knowledge will take me , sometimes I am scared, but this search will continue and my results will be shared wth you my good friends and of course enemies on this forum .

In summary , I am not an atheist and can never be one , not in this life or the next.

I am now an unfundamental thinking believer of Yeshua or Jesus.

Says the one who was never a christian.

An2elect2:



Says the one who was never a christian.

Typical Nigerian clueless Christian

frosbel:


Typical Nigerian clueless Christian

Am not a typical Nigerian christian. You accuse me falsely. If there is any that speaks against all Nigerian churches and their heresies, i should be the one.
By God's grace I've seen too much in Christendom in this part of the world that have driven me to stay away from these Christians so called who have no clue of the God they are serving.

The only thing that differentiates me from the hypocrites hiding under the umbrella of Christianity and confused unbelievers like you is the GRACE of God.

If you have the Spirit of Christ inside of you, you will be led into all truth. Notice, led into... that means as you mature in the faith of Christ(which is a gift) truth will begin to unfold and everything will gradually begin to make sense. However this is not the case for people who never really got saved.

By the grace of God, i have grown to know people who are not saved just from their salvation experience.
What is your 'salvation experience' Mr Frosbel?

I believe the question you should be asking yourself is 'was i ever saved?'

An2elect2:

Am not a typical Nigerian christian. You accuse me falsely. If there is any that speaks against all Nigerian churches and their heresies, i should be the one.
By God's grace I've seen too much in Christendom in this part of the world that have driven me to stay away from these Christians so called who have no clue of the God they are serving.
The only thing that differentiates me from the hypocrites hiding under the umbrella of Christianity and confused unbelievers like you is the GRACE of God.
If you have the Spirit of Christ inside of you, you will be led into all truth. Notice, led into... that means as you mature in the faith of Christ(which is a gift) truth will begin to unfold and everything will gradually begin to make sense. However this is not the case for people who never really got saved.
By the grace of God, i have grown to know people who are not saved just from their salvation experience.
What is your 'salvation experience' Mr Frosbel?
I believe the question you should be asking yourself is 'was i ever saved?'

Funny thing is Muslims use the same line of argument when adherents leave the faith, i.e were they ever muslims to begin with , lol.

Oh Yes I was 'saved' and 'saved' into the baba of all churches aka Deeperlife. In fact I was a worker, an usher, head of ushers, house leader , etc etc. I wasted 15 years of my youth in this cult, years I could have used to do better things.

And God has now given you the ability to judge who is saved or not, typical Nigerian Christian lol.

frosbel:


Funny thing is Muslims use the same line of argument when adherents leave the faith, i.e were they ever muslims to begin with , lol.

Oh Yes I was 'saved' and 'saved' into the baba of all churches aka Deeperlife. In fact I was a worker, an usher, head of ushers, house leader , etc etc. I wasted 15 years of my youth in this cult, years I could have used to do better things.

And God has now given you the ability to judge who is saved or not, typical Nigerian Christian lol.

Dang!!! you got saved in a cult called deeper life church! Even though i did not get saved in the dlcf( which is impossible anyway) i was once a member.
They practice lordship salvation which is no salvation... Give your life to God, open your heart for Jesus, altar call,etc all rubbish, rubbish! far from genuine salvation which is completely by grace through faith without any input from man and received through the hearing of the gospel.

No traditional deeper lifer can boldly claim the biblical salvation of sola gracia. I know where you are coming from and that's what am attacking. The origin of your rebellion against God.

Are Christians not supposed to judge rightly?
If i claim to be in the light is it unreasonable to point out the works of darkness when i spot them?

I will definitely not be among those who are telling you to fast more, pray more, seek God more, just believe. God forbid! you can only be redeemed by the grace of God. You can't choose to serve God except He chooses you first! you cant love Him except He loves you first! you cant know the truth except it has been given unto you. God is not on trial you are.

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Dang!!! you got saved in a cult called deeper life church! Even though i did not get saved in the dlcf( which is impossible anyway) i was once a member.
They practice lordship salvation which is no salvation... Give your life to God, open your heart for Jesus, altar call,etc all rubbish, rubbish! far from genuine salvation which is completely by grace through faith without any input from man and received through the hearing of the gospel.

Okay, according to Lord An2elect2, Kumuyi's version of Christianity is the wrong one and yours ( lo and behold ) is the right one, phew !!

According to your version of salvation ( which is only by grace - good ) , man just has to sit back and enjoy the ride of grace to an eternal bliss irrespective of his conduct and comportment in matters of ethics and morality. Looks like this is in line with Calvin's school of thinking.

Well, as an ex-deeper lifer , I call this cheap grace and a license to sin, it's no salvation you know. After all we deeper lifers should know, we are the holiest and hence the closest to God.

The origin of your rebellion against God

Why do you think I am rebelling against God, please list your points here, succinctly.

Are Christians not supposed to judge rightly?
If i claim to be in the light is it unreasonable to point out the works of darkness when i spot them?

Are Muslims not supposed to judge rightly, are Hindus not supposed to judge rightly, are thinking unfundamentals like me not supposed to judge rightly, why do you arrogate this privilege exclusively to your sect .

I will definitely not be among those who are telling you to fast more, pray more, seek God more, just believe. God forbid! you can only be redeemed by the grace of God. You can't choose to serve God except He chooses you first! you cant love Him except He loves you first! you cant know the truth except it has been given unto you. God is not on trial you are.

Your version of God of course.

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Just what i expected...straw points.

Salvation is by grace through faith and not a work of man lest any should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9 It is a work of God! that's the scripture not my word. No man deserves to be saved cos we are all sinners...equally. I have nothing extra to earn me salvation. Am just like every other person. If i did, i will have room to boast, to glory!

"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what has thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if that has not received it?" 1cor4:7. Did the deeper life teach you this? nah not even in 1000yrs to come.

The only thing that differentiates a christian from an unbeliever is GRACE. The grace of our Lord Jesus! not how much you think you know or want to know.

What does grace do? does it permit sin? God forbid! How can we who are under grace continue in sin? The last time i checked nobody needs a licence to sin! you don't need grace to sin.

Hiswordxray:

The many false pastors, doctrine and sect has littles infect on God's true people but the bible is only one and all the people of God would come to depend on it. Apart from that we have the Spirit of God which is the spirit of truth. And this Spirit of truth agrees with words written in the bible. And can easily tell if a pastor or doctrine is false by the Spirit that dwells in me. If the bible is filled with error not just me but also every child of God will recognize this error and rise in protest. But it seems like only frob is divinely ordain to spot this error- this either means frob is the only true child of God since the first century (which is one big lie) or frob is making a big mistake (which is more acceptable).
The jewish tradition was given to them by God and the bibles says those ceremonies where a symbol of things to come. So which is better- a cuture that symbolizes what we are now enjoying and in which we can learn a lot from Or a culture of a people who were seperated from God.
Use your brain and stop behaving like a racist. God do not care about race he only care about his eternal plan.

Word!

Hiswordxray:

This is the same idealogy that had be causes crisis and war yet people still promote sure idealogy. When will the world learn.
"having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace," (Eph 2:15).
God had brought all as one tribe in Jesus and this tribe is call a new creature. The tribe originated from heaven as God gave birth to them being their true father. This new tribe has no origin from earth but are an alien who has come on earth to shine the light of God. They are peace makers while your racist idealogy has always cause crisis and will always cause crisis.

wow! this is brilliant!!! don't mind those bitter and hate filled people telling us about race. Their reward is not far.

An2elect2:
Says the one who was never a christian.

^^^
frosbel actually started as a Christian fundamentalist often shortened as a Fundamentalist, which is not bad at all (i.e. it's safe)

The thing right now, is that frosbel is swimming in waters without strapping a life jacket on
He is doing the "Why did frosbel the chicken cross the Road" highway classic



frosbel is currently on a very slippery slope, a slope with no guardings, no hand rails to hold on to, for if/when he is to slip.
With no hand railing, if/when he does slip, he will be spiralling into a dark & murky bottomless pit

The fact is, he, frosbel is leaving the safe haven of Christian fundamentalism
and is a tenny weeny bit short of fully transitioning to become a Liberal Christian
- in fact, he already is showing almost all the markings of a Liberal Christian (e.g. debunking the virgin birth etcetera)
(i.e. he hasnt completely or fully developed into a Liberal Christian yet)

Potentially, his next phase after becoming a fully fledged Liberal Christian will be Agnosticism

I agree with him (i.e. frosbel) that he will never become an ATHEIST and can never be one, not in this life or the next

I agree because even if HE, frosbel, turns later into neither believing nor disbelieving in the existence of God (i.e. he is unable to make up his mind on the existence of God) he will stay in the closet and hold on DEFIANTLY/STRONGLY to that inveterate habit of God does exist,
this, all to keep or retain the last shred of his sanity or sound mental health left

BabaGnoni:

^^^
frosbel actually started as a Christian fundamentalist often shortened as a Fundamentalist, which is not bad at all (i.e. it's safe)

The thing right now, is that frosbel is swimming in waters without strapping a life jacket on
He is doing the "Why did frosbel the chicken cross the Road" highway classic



frosbel is currently on a very slippery slope, a slope with no guardings, no hand rails to hold on to, for if/when he is to slip.
With no hand railing, if/when he does slip, he will be spiralling into a dark & murky bottomless pit

The fact is, he, frosbel is leaving the safe haven of Christian fundamentalism
and is a tenny weeny bit short of fully transitioning to become a Liberal Christian
- in fact, he already is showing almost all the markings of a Liberal Christian (e.g. debunking the virgin birth etcetera)
(i.e. he hasnt completely or fully developed into a Liberal Christian yet)

Potentially, his next phase after becoming a fully fledged Liberal Christian will be Agnosticism

I agree with him (i.e. frosbel) that he will never become an ATHEIST and can never be one, not in this life or the next

I agree because even if HE, frosbel, turns later into neither believing nor disbelieving in the existence of God (i.e. he is unable to make up his mind on the existence of God) he will stay in the closet and hold on DEFIANTLY/STRONGLY to that inveterate habit of God does exist,
this, all to keep or retain the last shred of his sanity or sound mental health left

Well said but i disagree he started as a Christian or a fundamental one...or whatever. There is a difference between those who know the powers to come and those who have only tasted the powers to come. He is the later. He was never saved. The promised Spirit of Christ is to be with us forever teaching us all truth. So what happened to him?

The reason we erroneously think Christians can walk out on God is because we ascribe too much powers to ourselves, to men. Who is holding who? is it God that is holding the believer or the believer holding God? Is it the foundation that is holding the house or the other way round?

Somebody will soon say free will. How can? We are God's possession, bought people. Now slaves to righteousness. Having eternal life. It is not possible for a christian to become unsaved and cease to be God's own. And Frosbel was/is not one. We have all seen it.

An2elect2:


Salvation is by grace through faith and not a work of man lest any should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9 It is a work of God! that's the scripture not my word. No man deserves to be saved cos we are all sinners...equally. I have nothing extra to earn me salvation. Am just like every other person. If i did, i will have room to boast, to glory!

It's quite funny, because millions of our ancestors in Africa who never heard about the gospel will have to be judged by their works , while the privileged others will be judged by grace, strange approach.

I thought grace was free to all and free for all, which beggars the question, why was this grace not readily available to the entire world until 1700 years later ? Surely this was more than sufficient time for the gospel to have reached the four corners of the earth 10 times over , no ?

Anyway, let me follow you on your grace theology. Grace is not a substitute for obedience, Jesus made this very clear. Grace is a favour from God by which he chooses and sustains an individual into and on the path of salvation. People can fall from grace or reject it altogether. It is not an automatic favour which somehow mitigates for all future sin and thus spares the life of the recipient for the consequences of sin.

The word of God still stands true, the soul that sins, it shall die, grace cannot prevent or reverse this fact. Therefore works is an integral part of salvation and is woven into it's fabric.

"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what has thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if that has not received it?" 1cor4:7. Did the deeper life teach you this? nah not even in 1000yrs to come.

The only thing that differentiates a christian from an unbeliever is GRACE. The grace of our Lord Jesus! not how much you think you know or want to know.

It is God who calls by his grace according to your bible and he calls those he chooses which means the whole grace thing is a laugh since not everyone has the opportunity or favour to receive this gift, it is only for the privilege few, i.e those who belong to your sect. Of course this God of yours does not exist, the true God opens his arms to all and sundry , to save and to bless.

What does grace do? does it permit sin? God forbid! How can we who are under grace continue in sin? The last time i checked nobody needs a licence to sin! you don't need grace to sin.

But grace does permit sin according to your doctrine , let me tell you how. ;

Mr.A is an unbeliever by your definition. He is as righteous as they come, very kind, selfless , loyal to his wife, never says a bad word about any one etc, but he dies and your God plunges him into the sorrows of hell because he did not accept Jesus Christ and was not therefore operating under grace though he was still righteous, like Job for example.

Mr.B is a believer saved by grace, but somehow he backslides and turns really bad, so bad that he joins the wrong gang and ends up killing a man. He is caught and sentenced to death. Just before he dies , he repents of murder. As soon as he dies he is catapulted into heaven to begin a life of bliss, all because of grace.

If you support this picture, then you are suffering from the effects of religious dogmatic brainwashing and need to reevaluate your faith.

An2elect2:


Well said but i disagree he started as a Christian or a fundamental one...or whatever. There is a difference between those who know the powers to come and those who have only tasted the powers to come. He is the later. He was never saved. The promised Spirit of Christ is to be with us forever teaching us all truth. So what happened to him?

The reason we erroneously think Christians can walk out on God is because we ascribe too much powers to ourselves, to men. Who is holding who? is it God that is holding the believer or the believer holding God? Is it the foundation that is holding the house or the other way round?

Somebody will soon say free will. How can? We are God's possession, bought people. Now slaves to righteousness. Having eternal life. It is not possible for a christian to become unsaved and cease to be God's own. And Frosbel was/is not one. We have all seen it.

Your theology is seriously flawed. There are numerous scripture admonishing believers not to turn back from the faith. Your doctrine is heresy because it supports the fallacy of 'once saved , always saved ' which is another way for encouraging licentiousness in the lives of the chosen , because they are under grace and therefore can never fall.

You Sir are a heretic

I understand where you are coming from, original sin, predestination and stuff like that, doctrines formed and preached by John Calvin. John was such a very good example of grace that he murdered a dear friend who dared to disagree with him on the Trinity. What about Jonathan Edwards , another Calvinist who preached a horrible sermon called 'sinners in the hands of an angry God ' , a sermon which caused suicide death and suicide tendencies in the congregation, yet he supported the ' once saved always saved ' garbage but had slaves, yes , black slaves. Talk about the embodiment of contradictions.

If anyone will be in hell, Calvinists will be the first to be thrown in for their wicked and exclusivist mentality being paraded as grace, which is no grace at all.

BabaGnoni:

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frosbel actually started as a Christian fundamentalist often shortened as a Fundamentalist, which is not bad at all (i.e. it's safe)

The thing right now, is that frosbel is swimming in waters without strapping a life jacket on
He is doing the "Why did frosbel the chicken cross the Road" highway classic



frosbel is currently on a very slippery slope, a slope with no guardings, no hand rails to hold on to, for if/when he is to slip.
With no hand railing, if/when he does slip, he will be spiralling into a dark & murky bottomless pit

The fact is, he, frosbel is leaving the safe haven of Christian fundamentalism
and is a tenny weeny bit short of fully transitioning to become a Liberal Christian
- in fact, he already is showing almost all the markings of a Liberal Christian (e.g. debunking the virgin birth etcetera)
(i.e. he hasnt completely or fully developed into a Liberal Christian yet)

Potentially, his next phase after becoming a fully fledged Liberal Christian will be Agnosticism

I agree with him (i.e. frosbel) that he will never become an ATHEIST and can never be one, not in this life or the next

I agree because even if HE, frosbel, turns later into neither believing nor disbelieving in the existence of God (i.e. he is unable to make up his mind on the existence of God) he will stay in the closet and hold on DEFIANTLY/STRONGLY to that inveterate habit of God does exist,
this, all to keep or retain the last shred of his sanity or sound mental health left

My partner in HERESY, I am still waiting for you to join the bandwagon of those who deny the Virgin birth myth so that we can become one !

.

After all, that's the only doctrine that separates us, you don't agree with the orthodox position on the trinity, hell fire , tithes, rapture or definition of church, so what's left ?

You confused heretic , lmao !

^^^
frosbel since you dont believe in hell, you should be using the appropiate and correct wording (i.e. lake of fire) and desist from using hell
At least demonstrate your stance and be consistent with it

frosbel:
My partner in HERESY, I am still waiting for you to join the bandwagon of those who deny the Virgin birth myth so that we can become one !

.

After all, that's the only doctrine that separates us, you don't agree with the orthodox position on the trinity, hell fire , tithes, rapture or definition of church, so what's left ?

You confused heretic , lmao !

You are on a long thing, if you are waiting for me, a lone ranger, me, a one-man Mopol to join you
YOYO - you're on your own bro,

dont let blood splashings stain me ooo

Remember I mentioned the below before to you:

...all this that you are swimming. Chai diaris godu ooo

Listen frosbel, "Moti wẹ okun, mo ti wẹ ọsa" literaly means "I've swam the Atlantic Ocean, I swam the Lagoon"
so besides my earlier gesticulation to you with Fela "Abami Eda" Anikulapo Kuti's - Teacher Don't Teach Me Nonsense
please don't try to teach me, your Grandma to suck eggs

"Mo ti wẹ. Mo ti ja kọnkọ" literally meaning "I don bath, I don scrub myself with shaka-shaka sponge" so there is nothing on me
- I have no excess baggage, no contrabands, my hands are in the air, holding up to the heavens

This happened many years ago, and I am still standing with my faith not waning but waxing stronger and stronger
He don tay, wey we don dey at this thing, this Father's business nau, so one knows most of the ins and outs
- been there, done all, even bought and have the t-shirts on tithes, virgin birth, trinity, rapture, staged healing etcetera

You are doing a Johnny come lately on this "virgin birth" issue
You turned up late for the "virgin birth" party, you turned up after the "virgin birth" party had finished
We have checked it, checked the "virgin birth" and found nothing wanting with the "virgin birth"

Dont make the "Virgin Birth" a stumbling block for you
The word of God is Omnipotent and not impotent
God who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist
- Please frosbel, do not render the word of God impotent

frosbel you need to be careful and need to watch your steps, watch what you are treading on or treading upon

You actually need more grace and more of Psalm 119:105
- "Your word is a lamp to guide my feet and a light for my path"

PS: you forgot my other middle names freethinker or maverick