MrsChima:

Gay men Bleep girls too.

Gay men fucckk girls? Any man that bleeps a man and a woman isn't gay, his a fucking "bi" dear

Gurgle:


For me it becomes a caricature if its not guided by scripture

Lol. The bible is anti feminist. So is the quran. The bible, especially the old testament, was more of culture than actual religion. Things have changed and times have changed.

That's why a man barbing his hair is not more considered a sin. (check leviticus)

Swizdoe:

They are not any better than terrorists, just that they've not begin to kill men yet........
Most Feminist are instigators that believes inciting other females is the only way they can achieve their objective same way Nnamdi Kanu is going about his biafran struggle.
They kinda paint men as their number one enemy that must be destroyed as if men is the only one responsible for the ills in the society. I've encountered some of them on NL and they never make any sense but they have this arrogant attitude that makes them believe their argument is superior

That is not feminism. I carry a bible and start preaching, does that make me a priest?

Freemanan:


Not necessarily love.
you see, the legalization of gay marriage in America is justice served for homosexuals but imagine the hurt the parents of these gays will feel knowing that their country has allowed a union to their own type. So you see, Justice and equity is not happiness.

I think Feminism in Africa should focus more on things that will bring happiness to women rather than fighting a lost course for equity in gender. I might sound Chauvinistic but That's the realistic truth.

Legalisation of gay marriage means that gay marriages are valid in the eyes of the law. It means that the laws of heterosexual marriage such as divorce, prenuptial agreements etc now apply to same sex marriage. Gay ppl have been getting married for centuries but it wasn't a valid union in the eyes of the law.

Your parents not being happy about your choice of life partner has nothing to do with justice and equity.

Justice and equity brings happiness..

The gays are happy, the heterosexuals are happy

The men are happy, the women are happy

gj22:


Legalisation of gay marriage means that gay marriages are valid in the eyes of the law. It means that the laws of heterosexual marriage such as divorce, prenuptial agreements etc now apply to same sex marriage. Gay ppl have been getting married for centuries but it wasn't a valid union in the eyes of the law.

Your parents not being happy about your choice of life partner has nothing to do with justice and equity.

Justice and equity brings happiness..

The gays are happy, the heterosexuals are happy

The men are happy, the women are happy

You still beg the question....
Is the society happy?

MrsChima:

E pain am poo

Lol. GOOD morning love.

firstEVA:
. When did I tell u I am a feminist?

You should be

gj22:


Lol. The bible is anti feminist. So is the quran. The bible, especially the old testament, was more of culture than actual religion. Things have changed and times have changed.

That's why a man barbing his hair is not more considered a sin. (check leviticus)

The Old Testament is Jewish law and custom that needs to be studied for years before anybody can truly understand what it means. The New Testament is more where this discussion lies. The OT is necessary to show that human beings are unable to keep laws without reverting back to sin and that keeping the laws without grace, love and Christ's sacrifice is ultimately redundant.

The laws you mentioned like barbing hair, not eating pork and not wearing mixed cloth are symbolic and ceremonial laws that have their own meaning and usefulness in their historical context. Things like that are present in every religion and culture, including native religions in Africa. Jesus made examples of them in the OT when the Pharisees and other religious teachers failed to see how useless it is to keep laws without love. What's the point of keeping your hair unbarbed but refusing to give to the poor? There is no point in that at all

The Bible has to have some culture in it since it happened in a human society- no society is devoid of culture even though we all have cultural parallels.

In those days, in the Jewish society it was necessary for a woman to cover her head because the only women who didn't cover their hair were prostitutes. But that no longer applies these days, so the covering rule no longer applies. Some Christian communities still practice head coverings because it is part of their culture, whilst some choose not to. Culture and spirituality are intrinsically linked, because different groups of people will always leave their own mark on neutral topics.

We have to use our discretion. Just because the Bible was written at a time when women had almost no rights it doesn't mean we cant derive meanings from the teachings that support those rights nowadays.

Gurgle:


The Old Testament is Jewish law and custom that needs to be studied for years before anybody can truly understand what it means. The New Testament is more where this discussion lies. The OT is necessary to show that human beings are unable to keep laws without reverting back to sin and that keeping the laws without grace, love and Christ's sacrifice is ultimately redundant.

The laws you mentioned like barbing hair, not eating pork and not wearing mixed cloth are symbolic and ceremonial laws that have their own meaning and usefulness in their historical context. Things like that are present in every religion and culture, including native religions in Africa. Jesus made examples of them in the OT when the Pharisees and other religious teachers failed to see how useless it is to keep laws without love. What's the point of keeping your hair unbarbed but refusing to give to the poor? There is no point in that at all

The Bible has to have some culture in it since it happened in a human society- no society is devoid of culture even though we all have cultural parallels.

In those days, in the Jewish society it was necessary for a woman to cover her head because the only women who didn't cover their hair were prostitutes. But that no longer applies these days, so the covering rule no longer applies. Some Christian communities still practice head coverings because it is part of their culture, whilst some choose not to. Culture and spirituality are intrinsically linked, because different groups of people will always leave their own mark on neutral topics.

We have to use our discretion. Just because the Bible was written at a time when women had almost no rights it doesn't mean we cant derive meanings from the teachings that support those rights nowadays.

Sorry to intrude. This argument cannot hold. If the Bible is a guide for Feminism and the Bible itself has no tenet of this ideology, what discretion are WE to use in applying it to the said movement?

passey:
"my people talk am say even for beer parlor Oga dey."
" There is hierarchy even in heaven"
Having said that, respect for women is desirable, compulsory and good but feminism got it wrong when it says the man and the woman are the same! They are not equals, they are complements! A man can never be a woman, he was not made to be so and cannot be.. gays are idiots. A woman can never be man, she was not made to be so.
Two people cannot both drive a car at the same time! So the woman and the man must understand their role and places in the marriage arrangement. Any attempt at exchange of roles will definitely lead to disaster and unhappiness. If the man is equal to the woman, na gay marriage be that o. Afterall no woman wants to marry a sissy man and no man wants to marry a fellow man or even tomboy.
The religious arrangement of God being the head of the man and the man being the head of the woman in a relationship predicated on love is a perfect arrangement and so far the best.
Feminism na trash. I want masculinism to start so that woman go dey toast man, pay bride price, protect, give man belle, tolerate nagging etc

Feminism doesn't say men and women are equal.

It says give them equal opportunities and chances.

Freemanan:

CAN YOU GOOGLE 100MILLION IF I GIVE YOU?
I JUST GAVE YOU A SAMPLE... even a child could get the message.

But the message is a stupid message. Ofcourse, a few women made it in this world.

Freemanan:

You still beg the question....
Is the society happy?

Who is the society?

Is it not the men and the women? The gays and the heterosexuals?


Or is society a person?

gj22:


But the message is a stupid message. Ofcourse, a few women made it in this world.

That's all I need you to admit. Thanks.

gj22:


Who is the society?

Is it not the men and the women? The gays and the heterosexuals?


Or is society a person?

I am a realist. You don't seem to have that in your inventory. Enough said. Good morning.

Freemanan:

Sorry to intrude. This argument cannot hold. If the Bible is a guide for Feminism and the Bible itself has no tenet of this ideology, what discretion are WE to use in applying it to the said movement?

Where is says there is no slave or free, Jew or gentile, man or woman as long as we are all in Christ.

Husbands, love your wives as yourself. (and wives submit to your husbands)

If a man were really to love a woman that much, would he want to stop her from achieving her full potential in this world?

We can extrapolate all the info we need. That's why Scripture is always timeless

Freemanan:

Sorry to intrude. This argument cannot hold. If the Bible is a guide for Feminism and the Bible itself has no tenet of this ideology, what discretion are WE to use in applying it to the said movement?

I have no idea what the guy is talking about. The old testament was anti feminist, the new testament was mildly anti feminist.

Yet he thinks the bible should be the moral ground for feminism

Gurgle:


Where is says there is no slave or free, Jew or gentile, man or woman as long as we are all in Christ.

Husbands, love your wives as yourself. (and wives submit to your husbands)

If a man were really to love a woman that much, would he want to stop her from achieving her full potential in this world?

We can extrapolate all the info we need. That's why Scripture is always timeless

You are getting it wrong love.
Most cases of gender discrimination don't happen between spouses... The society is the starting point and no society today is built on the tenets of Christianity. So it is the society that sidelines women. The discrimination that takes place in the house can be fixed... But the major challenge Feminism is facing is posed by the society, it's culture, beliefs, GOVERNMENT and laws.

gj22:


I have no idea what the guy is talking about. The old testament was anti feminist, the new testament was mildly anti feminist.

Yet he thinks the bible should be the moral ground for feminism

I replied a post that says the Bible should be the guide for Feminism.. I was opposing it. You should read more and type less Mate...

Gurgle:


Where is says there is no slave or free, Jew or gentile, man or woman as long as we are all in Christ.

Husbands, love your wives as yourself. (and wives submit to your husbands)

If a man were really to love a woman that much, would he want to stop her from achieving her full potential in this world?

We can extrapolate all the info we need. That's why Scripture is always timeless

1. Has nothing to do with feminism

2. Will you tell a man to be submissive to his wife too? Don't you know what it means to submit to someone?

3. Yeah, what about a woman that is not his wife? Does feminism apply to your wife alone? And please don't quote "love your neighbours as yourself"

4. The new testament doesn't address the issue head-on. Don't try to bend words to suit your argument.

Freemanan:

I am a realist. You don't seem to have that in your inventory. Enough said. Good morning.

Maybe being a realist isn't such a good thing. Accepting every situation you find yourself in is not a good idea to survive in this world.

Freemanan:

I replied a post that says the Bible should be the guide for Feminism.. I was opposing it. You should read more and type less Mate...

And I was agreeing with you.

gj22:


Maybe being a realist isn't such a good thing. Accepting every situation you find yourself in is not a good idea to survive in this world.

I guess it's my cross to carry. Aye?

gj22:


1. Has nothing to do with feminism

2. Will you tell a man to be submissive to his wife too? Don't you know what it means to submit to someone?

3. Yeah, what about a woman that is not his wife? Does feminism apply to your wife alone? And please don't quote "love your neighbours as yourself"

4. The new testament doesn't address the issue head-on. Don't try to bend words to suit your argument.

Feminism endorses equality between men and women. I would say it does have a lot to do with feminism, essentially

I wouldn't tell a man to be submissive to his wife. Did I say I would?

From your tone it doesn't seem like youre open to this debate so lets just agree to disagree

Freemanan:

You are getting it wrong love.
Most cases of gender discrimination don't happen between spouses... The society is the starting point and no society today is built on the tenets of Christianity. So it is the society that sidelines women. The discrimination that takes place in the house can be fixed... But the major challenge Feminism is facing is posed by the society, it's culture, beliefs, GOVERNMENT and laws.

Of course it is more than just husband and wife, I just used that as an example

I agree that its a societal issue that will take a long time to change. Im just saying that I don't think religion and feminism are mutually exclusive

Freemanan:

I replied a post that says the Bible should be the guide for Feminism.. I was opposing it. You should read more and type less Mate...

He's talking about me not you

Gurgle:


Feminism endorses equality between men and women. I would say it does, essentially

I wouldn't tell a man to be submissive to his wife. Did I say I would?

From your tone it doesn't seem like youre open to this debate so lets just agree to disagree

You Provided it as a point to prove the bible was feminist and I am saying that if you can't say the same to a man, then it isn't a feminist point.

That aside, all your points were for man and wife relationship. They weren't points of feminism.

gj22:


You Provided it as a point to prove the bible was feminist and I am saying that if you can't say the same to a man, then it isn't a feminist point.

That aside, all your points were for man and wife relationship. They weren't points of feminism.

I used the man and wife point as an example. Anywhere where a man and woman are concerned, the same issue will arise

I don't see how its not a feminist point. I didn't say men and women need to do exactly the same thing for each other, just that they are equal.

Submission to a man doesn't mean that a woman is not equal to him. And not submitting to a woman doesn't mean the man is better than she is

Gurgle:


Of course it is more than just husband and wife, I just used that as an example

I agree that its a societal issue that will take a long time to change. Im just saying that I don't think religion and feminism are mutually exclusive

They can't be.

Freemanan:

They can't be.

Are you agreeing with me

Gurgle:


Are you agreeing with me

Feminism and the bible / Christianity has no connection... When talking about religion in Feminism, it's Islamic Feminism...

Freemanan:

Feminism and the bible / Christianity has no connection... When talking about religion in Feminism, it's Islamic Feminism...

What?

whats Islamic feminism

Gurgle:


What?

whats Islamic feminism

Islamic feminism advocate women's rights , gender equality,
and social justice grounded in an Islamic framework. I can provide you with sufficient materials in this area. Part of my Masters' thesis is on it.