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Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 1:49pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: What is the universe designed for? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Toyolad(m): 1:49pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Teempakguy:hmmm little wonder y life has not bn discovered in mercury and Venus and other planets that either too close or too far away from our star...lol The universe doesn't repeat itself...and we av d succession of day and night without more complications?? according to science, we av succession of ice age, same kind of rotation and revolution??... I laff in Swahili sir |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Toyolad(m): 2:07pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
dalaman:Hmmm nice questions but directed to the wrong person.....If you've got questions concerning a product ,how it was manufactured, the materials used...who do u think is in d best position to answer ur questions?? d producer of the product(d designer) or d product itself(d designed, I mean vooks)?? I ask not to support anyone but to act as a gadfly. 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 2:18pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Toyolad: He is playing God, that is what all believers do , play God but refuse to answer basic questions about the God they keep claiming and positing. How did God create anything since they insist that God created everything? saying that God created things without telling us how he created them is empty and laughable. Those that claim God should please use God and explain to us how the DNA of organisms mutate for example. How does God explain anything? God has never been used to explain anything, God has only been used to make claims. When you ask the God advocates specific questions they all run away. I want any body that claims God, to use God alone and explain to me how this God of his/her created the sun, how the sun functions and the mechanism it uses to power itself. Only God should be used to explain these things, after all the claim they speak to God, so they should speak to God and ask him these questions, when he answers them they can let us know. Anything apart from that means they are just making stuffs up and relying on our collective ignorance. "Religion and God(s) started when man had enough intellect to form profound questions but not enough to find answers for them". 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Toyolad(m): 2:58pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
dalaman:don't think they will quote their holy book by way of giving u explanations? it all boils down to giving explanations that are beyond reason but taken to be true not because of an indubitable proof but by faith which can neither be proven right nor wrong cos they are said to be revealed knowledge.... what more can I say then.. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 3:08pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Toyolad: I don't take Christians seriously when it comes to the issue of creation, they have so far refused to accept the way this God of theirs said he created the universe as written inside the bible because they know it is false, they just take part of it and run wild with it. They will tell you that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, but they will refuse to accept the other detailed explanation of how their God claimed he created the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. They say its an allegory or will completely change what was written and give you their own opinion as against what was written because they know that what was written down is false, they claim God, refuse to use God in explaining how things were created, refuse to accept the way that God said he created the universe but still keep shouting God created only because they do not know how things came to be, how foolish and stupid can one be when he/she makes such inane assertions? God is just their default position for "I don't know". 2 Likes |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 3:14pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
dalaman:Take a guess |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 3:16pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: You are the one positing design, so you tell me what the entire universe was designed for. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 3:23pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
dalaman:Nonsense. Do you need to know HOW the Subaru was made to understand there were some serious brains behind it? saying that God created things without telling us how he created them is empty and laughable.Why is it laughable? Do you know need to know HOW a jet flies to understand it is designed? Those that claim God should please use God and explain to us how the DNA of organisms mutate for example. Those who ignore Intelligence in creation should FIRST explain HOW and from whence DNA came about How does God explain anything? Because it is infinitesimally mor0nic believing in CHANCE as responsible for life( order and complexity) to INTELLIGENCE God has never been used to explain anything, God has only been used to make claims.CHANCE has been used to explain the impossible which is quite some bullsh*t When you ask the God advocates specific questions they all run away.When you raise the idiocy of CHANCE and NOTHING causing everything,antitheists pee in their pants I want any body that claims God, to use God alone and explain to me how this God of his/her created the sun, how the sun functions and the mechanism it uses to power itself.INTELLIGENT DESIGN is not about HOW GOD does but HOW CHANCE CAN'T Only God should be used to explain these things, after all the claim they speak to God, so they should speak to God and ask him these questions, when he answers them they can let us know. Anything apart from that means they are just making stuffs up and relying on our collective ignorance.You are making up your own rules. For instance, can we demand that plants explain to us how they thrive, pollinate, photosynthesis and all? And would their inability to explain that falsify anything? You can't barely understand how man functions or even some disciplines yet you peg proof of God to understanding Him. You are not smart "Religion and God(s) started when man had enough intellect to form profound questions but not enough to find answers for them".Bla de bla 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 3:26pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
dalaman:For a gazillion things but for now concentrate on this;LIFE ON EARTH |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 3:36pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: No, I will not, you said the universe was designed, tell me what it was designed for, why are you running from what you are positing? Just state what the universe was designed for. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by lepasharon(f): 3:39pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Why would they tear my work. The UK is an enlightened society, unlike circular thinking Africans. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by lepasharon(f): 3:44pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Firstly, what is design ? And how can it be measured ? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 3:46pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
lepasharon:With a steady internet connection and Google, the definitions would overwhelm you. 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 3:47pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
lepasharon:I meant tear through your hollow arguments. Not them but us here. Just post your paper for all and sundry 2 Likes |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 3:48pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
dalaman:Please quote me and I will gladly answer you |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 3:49pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Toyolad:you missed my point. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 3:56pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Yes, those behind it's designed even throw it in the open because you need to know how it was designed before you can properly know how it functions, which will lead to better usage. The brakes of the car are designed to bring it to a halt. The wipers, to clean the wind screen, the side mirrors to aid better vision from behind, the head lights were designed to aid vision in the dark and on and on. All you need to know about the designed and the intention of the designers is to carry their manufacturing manual and get all the details. Where is this God;s manufacturing manual and design for the universe? How and why did your God design the asteroid belt in our solar system? Why did your God design the asteroid and the comets and for what purpose? Why is it laughable? Design by default states purpose. The Jet was designed in such a way that will make it fly, and that is what differentiates it from a chair which has a different purpose based on it's design. The Jet was designed for a purpose which is to aid fast travel. What are all the asteroids designed for? What about the other planets in our solar system? What are the gaseous planets designed for? Those who ignore Intelligence in creation should FIRST explain HOW and from whence DNA came about What is the intelligence behind the mutation of the DNA of living organisms? How did this God of your design the DNA, what did he use and for what purpose? Because it is infinitesimally mor0nic believing in CHANCE as responsible for life( order and complexity) to INTELLIGENCE I am not positing chance, you are. So deal with your assertions and bogey man. CHANCE has been used to explain the impossible which is quite some bullsh*t I am an atheist, but I have never posited chance, you are positing a designer but have so far failed to answer very simple questions about the designer or the stuffs you claimed were designed. What was the universe designed for? What are black-holes designed for? You are making up your own rules. I am asking pertinent questions, you claim to speak for God but are unable to answer simple questions. Have you proven anything? Which proof of God have you provided? By the way which God out of the many? You come here making empty noise and expect anybody to take you seriously. You are a joke. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 3:57pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Is the universe designed? Yes or no? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 3:59pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks:You didn't complete this statement. Christianity: such incredibly complex organisms owe their existence to a superintelligent being which, owes it's own existence to CHANCE (Near Impossible.) And yes. Eternity is not eternal. I opened a thread on infinity in the science section where i explained some terms of infinity.. even infinity has sizes and no matter how big the infinity you take is, there will always exist an infinity which is bigger than it. Intelligence is not the antithesis to chance. because even deep down, intelligent systems are governed by quantum mechanics. which, itself, is governed by chance. how's that for a food for thought. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 4:05pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Teempakguy:Which one? Christianity: such incredibly complex organisms owe their existence to a superintelligent being which, owes it's own existence to CHANCE (Near Impossible.)Presumptions Why would God owe His existence to CHANCE? This is the standard deflecting I was talking about. Does the nature of God affect this argument in any way. Supposing I conceded He is also created and his creator is also created and so forth... Doe this negate the fact that life is too complex and ordered to be a product of chance? And yes. Eternity is not eternal. I opened a thread on infinity in the science section where i explained some terms of infinity.. even infinity has sizes and no matter how big the infinity you take is, there will always exist an infinity which is bigger than it.Presumptions galore why do you reduce eternity to infinity? Eternity is timelessness Intelligence is not the antithesis to chance. because even deep down, intelligent systems are governed by quantum mechanics. which, itself, is governed by chance. how's that for a food for thought.Presumptions again QM governs everything |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 4:06pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
dalaman:Post my specific quote or admit you made up a strawman |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 4:21pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: You have been arguing for a designed universe and an intelligent designer behind it, haven't you? Is the universe designed or not? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 4:25pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
dalaman:You won't quote me, right? Can I forgive you for strawman? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by lepasharon(f): 4:27pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: the thing is, the proponents of ID have never said what this design is and if you dont know what ID is how can it be measured and how do you know what it is ? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by dalaman: 4:30pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Which straw man? You have been implying that something must have designed the universe yet you are talking about a straw man, did some thing design the universe or did it appear by chance? Which is your position because that has been what you have been on about throughout this thread? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 4:31pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks:Right, so you are arguing that God may have been designed now? how do you know if his designer won't someday mess things up for him? how can you be so sure of all his plans when even he is subject to another higher intelligence? and how does that explain him referring to himself as . . ."the Only God. no one more powerful than him?" Okay, so what do you mean by "Eternity is timelessness?" time is a dimension. if there is a reality that doesn't have time, it is flatland to us. if your god exists in such a world, you're way more powerful than he is. I also don't think you know what you meant when you said quantum mechanics governs everything. intelligence is a subset of everything. are you know admitting that everything is governed by chance? nigga you are confusing yourself. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 4:39pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
Teempakguy:Nope, am arguing against CHANCE and you are busy deflecting. You are all shying away from this. CHANCE has limits. Chance can't manufacture a Subaru in a gazillion years. how do you know if his designer won't someday mess things up for him? how can you be so sure of all his plans when even he is subject to another higher intelligence? and how does that explain him referring to himself as . . ."the Only God. no one more powerful than him?"CHANCE can't produce a Subaru in a trillion trillion years Okay, so what do you mean by "Eternity is timelessness?" time is a dimension. if there is a reality that doesn't have time, it is flatland to us. if your god exists in such a world, you're way more powerful than he is.I will gladly teach you eternity some day. For now, focus on CHANCE I also don't think you know what you meant when you said quantum mechanics governs everything. intelligence is a subset of everything. are you know admitting that everything is governed by chance? nigga you are confusing yourself.Negro, You said God is equally governed by quantum mechanics. Pretty horrible logic if you ask around. Again, focus on the limits of CHANCE |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by lepasharon(f): 4:39pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
vooks: Why should I seek the opinion of religiotards. My supervisor will have a field day with my topic |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 4:40pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
dalaman:My posts are all here. Pick specific bits you wish to be taught on |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 4:41pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
lepasharon:The first time I saw a living cell, I had no Idea of what it was. It didn't make any sense to me. it was actually the most random thing I'd ever seen. It was later, when I learned about it, that i started associating design with it. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 4:41pm On Dec 08, 2015 |
lepasharon:Why are you bragging about it here Negro? Nitwit |
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