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achorladey:
@volksfuhrer now you are almost there read Genesis 22:12 Then he said: “Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.”

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome

oglalasioux:
Why I believe the biblical stories are lies;

1. God knows all things and even the future. So he knew before hand that Satan will fall and Adam and Eve will eat the forbidden fruit. So why create Satan and why plant the fruit?

2. God so love the world that He gave His son to the world to die. So why did Jesus weep in the garden and why is Judas Iscariot not a saint for helping to make the salvation of the world possible?

Let me stop and wait for the bashings before I continue.

Tjayjosh:
@Op. The bible says, God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth (Genesis 1:27-28 KJV). And then here God commanded the man saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: "But of the three of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:16-17). God gave man everything, and wanted something back in return. Let me brake this down. God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden to give Adam and Eve a choice to obey Him or disobey Him. Adam and Eve were free to do anything they wanted, except eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If God had not given Adam and Eve the choice, they would have essentially been robots, simply doing what they were programmed to do. God created
Adam and Eve to be free beings, able to make decisions, able to choose between good and evil. In order for Adam and
Eve to truly be free, they had to have a choice. Hear this, the bible let us to know that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. With all this power, knowledge and versatility that God posseses. He cannot control you or alter your freewill. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a. symbol. God said, "if ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15). That tree was the only way God could get love back from the man He loved and gave everything.

DonaldGenes:
In essence, what's your main point Bruh?

themosthigh:
Because jehovah is a wicked being who is looking for reasons to punish man and not blame himself...that is why he came down to earth to claim that he died for our sins out of his love for us only to wake up in three days,return back to heaven and claim he can now punish man in ethernal fire if we refuse to believe he died for our sins.....he gives us no evidence and punish us for saying it us a lie....he is worst than the devil and i will march out against him on armagadon carrying the black flag of lucifer...we will finally defeat him and lock him up in the bottomless pit which he created for his beloved creation...we almost did it during the tym.of the fallen angels and later when we where lead by the prince of persia to defeat all his angels and prevent daniels prayer from reaching God and we will succeed this tym around and end his reign of tyranny..

sonOfLucifer:
Read the full story here
- God Knows Everything.
- God created the Universe.
- God knew what would happen if Adam ate from the tree.
- God didn't plant the tree on Mars or Jupiter.
- He put the tree, in the same garden, with Adam..

See setup.

@op there are many African myths to believe that make more sense than that of the Israeli's... who dont even care about most of this nonsense y'all bother your minds with. There was no tree. Your ancestors weren't Adam and Eve.

You won't put a knife near a baby, then blame the baby for playing with the knife. A responsible God would have built a huge Trump size wall around that motherfucking tree. But, it's Yahweh. He just like fucking human beings up. Like his twin brother Allah who is trying desperately to catch up with his killer numbers..

Nmeri17:
Abeg! The thread is asking "why there was bread in the first place". Why are you recounting the Fall story all over? This is like reading a translation named Standard Bakery Version.

Teempakguy:
you should think also.

Now as the mother, when you return, and you find out that your child has indeed disobeyed you, I guess your next move will be to banish your own child to the harsh world, curse him or her with death and pain, wait for 3000 years, give birth to another child and have that one killed and resurrected before you can allow the erring one back into your house.

Instead of just chastising them like a normal parent. If you can't see the absurdity even with your own example, your brain wash, no be small.

oglalasioux:
Why I believe the biblical stories are lies;

1. God knows all things and even the future. So he knew before hand that Satan will fall and Adam and Eve will eat the forbidden fruit. So why create Satan and why plant the fruit?

2. God so love the world that He gave His son to the world to die. So why did Jesus weep in the garden and why is Judas Iscariot not a saint for helping to make the salvation of the world possible?

Let me stop and wait for the bashings before I continue.

emmykk:
i better question is why.did.adam and eve didnt go for there tree of life

analice107:
Create this scenarios in your mind's eyes.

Am your Mum, sovery rich. Everything you want you can get, I have a mansion which you live in it with me. One day i call you into a room empty, I mean nothing to eat in it, and then I give you an instruction saying, "Am going out my son, see that you touch nothing in this room till I return.
Remember, it's an empty room, and am telling you not to touch anything. What's is there to touch?

Again, I am your parent, am very wealthy. You of course is my child, and so lives in my mansion full of everything. But I call you and instructs you and say "Son, you can make use of everything in the freezer, every thing, only just this "wheat Bread", pls don't touch it", and I went out.
I left everything to your disposal, no restrains. There's assorted of everything. All kinds of breads, eat your fill, but don't touch the Wheat Bread. But you left every other thing you are free to touch and eat, but went to the only one I instructed you don't touch.
In your head or mind's eye, what do you see?

Let me help you. God Wanted to teach Adam Obidience and control.

In the first scenario, the room was empty, so Adam would of course have nothing to touch. If he touched nothing, because there was nothing to touch, would you call that Obidience? Will he be exercising any control? No.

The second scenario. Every thing but ONE is given to you. BUT you are instructed, leave the Wheat Bread alone. But u left the flour bread or corn bread and went for the wheat bread. Would you say Adam did well?
Can you obey instructions without control? No.
If you love me, you will respect me, if you respect me, you will obey me. Finish.
When you ask questions first think.

mannatech:
The ever knowing and ever seeing god who never makes error. To me , if going by the Bible's version of Creation, his expectation did not tally with the outcome. Man sinned, and god was sleeping then, Choi!
Upon all his power, I wonder why the world is what it is today. This whole humanity, earth Creation bs crappy story is enough, he hasn't woken up since eve's disobedience.

benedictgold:
This answers your question. To add to it, there is no true obedience without the option to disobey, if there was nothing to disobey then we cannot really say they obeyed God cos they could not do otherwise. But God gave them the freewill to choose cos He didn't want to create robots programmed to do whatever He ask but free people who will obey His commandments out of love they have for God and not cos they are compelled to.

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome

EdwardRandy:
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Fool!!! Since u are filled with holy spirit and knw the answer why nt say it??... the way u christians dodge questions most times baffles me

analice107:
No dear, God didn't dig a hole for us to fall into.
The sin of Adam is still seen in us individually today.
CHOICE. The choices we are making today. Are those choices in line with what God instructed?
We should not always look at the finished product of a thing, look at the process sometimes.
Let me ask you, would u have liked if you were created a robot? Do as u r programmed. No questions asked? But God needed a family, a relationship. He couldn't have a relationship with Robots, that's why u are human with the power to choose. But most of us, just like Adam chose to be God to ourselves.
There's the issue of choice, Obidience and control.
Have you asked yourself the origin of atheism? Adam originated atheism. He wanted to be God for himself. So pls...

lauskidlala:
have you forgotten that the serpent convinced eve...eve convinced Adam...Adam ate and eve ate...God wasn't around....it wasn't Adam's will to eat the out of the forbidden tree...remember Satan's word are so sweet and deceptive....

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome

Myde4naija:
chaiiii you sabi lie

analice107:
Create this scenarios in your mind's eyes.

Am your Mum, sovery rich. Everything you want you can get, I have a mansion which you live in it with me. One day i call you into a room empty, I mean nothing to eat in it, and then I give you an instruction saying, "Am going out my son, see that you touch nothing in this room till I return.
Remember, it's an empty room, and am telling you not to touch anything. What's is there to touch?

Again, I am your parent, am very wealthy. You of course is my child, and so lives in my mansion full of everything. But I call you and instructs you and say "Son, you can make use of everything in the freezer, every thing, only just this "wheat Bread", pls don't touch it", and I went out.
I left everything to your disposal, no restrains. There's assorted of everything. All kinds of breads, eat your fill, but don't touch the Wheat Bread. But you left every other thing you are free to touch and eat, but went to the only one I instructed you don't touch.
In your head or mind's eye, what do you see?

Let me help you. God Wanted to teach Adam Obidience and control.

In the first scenario, the room was empty, so Adam would of course have nothing to touch. If he touched nothing, because there was nothing to touch, would you call that Obidience? Will he be exercising any control? No.

The second scenario. Every thing but ONE is given to you. BUT you are instructed, leave the Wheat Bread alone. But u left the flour bread or corn bread and went for the wheat bread. Would you say Adam did well?
Can you obey instructions without control? No.
If you love me, you will respect me, if you respect me, you will obey me. Finish.
When you ask questions first think.

analice107:
No dear, God didn't dig a hole for us to fall into.
The sin of Adam is still seen in us individually today.
CHOICE. The choices we are making today. Are those choices in line with what God instructed?
We should not always look at the finished product of a thing, look at the process sometimes.
Let me ask you, would u have liked if you were created a robot? Do as u r programmed. No questions asked? But God needed a family, a relationship. He couldn't have a relationship with Robots, that's why u are human with the power to choose. But most of us, just like Adam chose to be God to ourselves.
There's the issue of choice, Obidience and control.
Have you asked yourself the origin of atheism? Adam originated atheism. He wanted to be God for himself. So pls...

analice107:
It's not enough to say 'you sabi lie', point out the lies.