DeepSight:

D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”

Christ will voluntarily become subject to the Father though they are equals when he comes to reign on earth .

D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."

D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

The bible's use of "The Son" is to show Christ's willful submission to co-equal , his father , as a subaltern - a subordinate , lower status - because He is now of human nature or demigod whichever one you chose . And his human nature precluded full divinity like His Father , God , so he has to pray to God , give thanks to God , make requests to God . Its all about humility . Its about showing his qualities which includes wisdom and understanding that he needs to live a life worthy of emulation . And of course to fulfill his mission as a good shepherd who loves his sheep and is willing to lay his life for them .

D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].

Christ sitting as God's right hand here shows that He is equal in power and authority as The Father and has the power and authority to subdue His enemies

D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].

"Only Begotten" here refers to Christ's incarnation in human flesh through the Holy Spirit . That means there is no one who had gone through this process and there will never be anyone who will incarnate as human as Christ did . Christ is unique , He is as divine as The Father , He is God who manifested in human flesh ergo Yahweh is His Father .

D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

That's the trinity showing Oneness . There is one God - Yahweh , Yeshua and Ruach Hakodesh

Good job Deepsight!

ifenes:
Good job Deepsight!

He believes in God

KingEbukasBlog:


He believes in God

Of course he does....but he is not ignorant

ifenes:


Of course he does....but he is not ignorant

I know he is not ignorant and not because he rejected Christ as God .

KingEbukasBlog:

Sir . You didn't pay attention to the commas . "For There is One God" - this is certain . "And one Mediator of God and Mankind " - this then explains Christ's role in the Trinity
Christ said this as a demigod , of course The Father who is fully divine is greater than He is .
Christ's role as the mediator of God and mankind is stated then Christ as God Himself who came to earth to save man is seen here as God's subordinate because of his new nature as man .
Christ as the Son and God as The Father .
Christ never said he was not good nor did he deny his divinity here . He just wanted them to know that God is good . And that He as God is good too as seen in John 10:11
John 10:11
11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

KingEbukasBlog:


Christ will voluntarily become subject to the Father though they are equals when he comes to reign on earth .



The bible's use of "The Son" is to show Christ's willful submission to co-equal , his father , as a subaltern - a subordinate , lower status - because He is now of human nature or demigod whichever one you chose . And his human nature precluded full divinity like His Father , God , so he has to pray to God , give thanks to God , make requests to God . Its all about humility . Its about showing his qualities which includes wisdom and understanding that he needs to live a life worthy of emulation . And of course to fulfill his mission as a good shepherd who loves his sheep and is willing to lay his life for them .



Christ sitting as God's right hand here shows that He is equal in power and authority as The Father and has the power and authority to subdue His enemies



"Only Begotten" here refers to Christ's incarnation in human flesh through the Holy Spirit . That means there is no one who had gone through this process and there will never be anyone who will incarnate as human as Christ did . Christ is unique , He is as divine as The Father , He is God who manifested in human flesh ergo Yahweh is His Father .




That's the trinity showing Oneness . There is one God - Yahweh , Yeshua and Ruach Hakodesh

It is really benumbing how you have taken each verse and happily, and with conviction, ascribed to it the direct opposite of what it says. I would have been shocked by what you have laid out had I not been already used to such from Christians for many years now. I can only hope that someday you will return to read all your own responses to these verses and see for yourself how you have assaulted them and turned them on their heads in a bid to force the Trinity into existence.

However from experience I also know that such a day is not likely to ever come.
Therefore I leave this matter of the Trinity to you and your desire: Christ did not claim to be God: and if you can look at pointed verses where he makes that clear and still show that you have no regard for his words by almost calling him a liar and twisting his words to the exact opposite: then let this matter of the Trinity rest: I would have delved further to explain this or that point: but what you have made of these verses shows me that that would be futile.

For even if he said point blank: "I am not God:" (which he virtually did severally) it is obvious you would reply that that was him in the flesh form speaking only: or something of the sort.

I do hope you know that your claims blaspheme the God you claim to serve though.

Let us therefore discuss other areas of interest as may pertain to your thread.

KingEbukasBlog:


That's the trinity showing Oneness . There is one God - Yahweh , Yeshua and Ruach Hakodesh

sorry for intruding..
Its just a simple question..
When you say ''Thank God''
which of the Gods are you thanking?
And who is the ''Paster Noster'' directed to?

MrMontella:

sorry for intruding..
Its just a simple question..
When you say ''Thank God''
which of the Gods are you thanking?
And who is the ''Paster Noster'' directed to?

Thank God = Thanking Trinity

DeepSight:

It is really benumbing how you have taken each verse and happily, and with conviction, ascribed to it the direct opposite of what it says. I would have been shocked by what you have laid out had I not been already used to such from Christians for many years now. I can only hope that someday you will return to read all your own responses to these verses and see for yourself how you have assaulted them and turned them on their heads in a bid to force the Trinity into existence.

However from experience I also know that such a day is not likely to ever come.
Therefore I leave this matter of the Trinity to you and your desire: Christ did not claim to be God: and if you can look at pointed verses where he makes that clear and still show that you have no regard for his words by almost calling him a liar and twisting his words to the exact opposite: then let this matter of the Trinity rest: I would have delved further to explain this or that point: but what you have made of these verses shows me that that would be futile.

For even if he said point blank: "I am not God:" (which he virtually did severally) it is obvious you would reply that that was him in the flesh form speaking only: or something of the sort.

I do hope you know that your claims blaspheme the God you claim to serve though.

Let us therefore discuss other areas of interest as may pertain to your thread.

One more thing before we continue sir

Explain these verses please

John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Genesis 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Genesis 11:7
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Genesis 3:22
22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.

I just really want to know what you think about them . Thanks

ifenes:
Good job Deepsight!

Good job Deepsight ?

What he is doing to that poor child is child abuse.
He should be ashamed of himself.

KingEbukasBlog:



That's the trinity showing Oneness . There is one God - Yahweh , Yeshua and Ruach Hakodesh

You mean buy 1 god and get 2 for free ?

plaetton:


You mean buy 1 god and get 2 for free ?

I mean this

plaetton:

Good job Deepsight ?

What he is doing to that poor child is child abuse.
He should be ashamed of himself.

I believe I'm putting up a good fight

KingEbukasBlog:


I mean this

Wow!
The simplicity of Religion summed up in one neat diagram.

plaetton:


Wow!
The simplicity of Religion summed up in one neat diagram.

Tell me Plaetton, which describes you better, an irreligious person, or a godless person?

KingEbukasBlog:


One more thing before we continue sir

Explain these verses please

John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

This verse is an indication that he existed in eternity before Abraham's earthly sojourn, no?

You should see here that there are different perceptions of the correct translation of that verse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_eimi

Although attempts have been made to insist that it is a claim that he was God, this is not so. The wording only shows that he says that he exists in eternity before any earthly Abraham, and indeed before any earthly being.

Now let me ask you: how does this make him God? Do you not know that many beings exist in eternity before any earthly Abraham and before any earthly being? Do you not know that you and I count among these as well?

This does not translate to being God, especially when taken together with all of his other statements in reference to God, many of which I listed for you which you insisted meant the direct opposite of what they clearly said.

Light research should show you that the words "I am" there, at all events could read "I exist" or "I have been".

Capitalizing those words is not something that exists in the texts but is only done by some translators.

See contrary and extensive views and interpretation of the verse here -

http://bibleanswerstand.org/before.htm

You should read carefully the arguments out forward here as well -

http://bibleq.net/answer/447/

See also Islamic objections -
http://www.answering-christianity.com/iam.htm

You can thus see that there are different views on the rendition of that verse. For me, it is reasonable to stick with the rendition which aligns with all of Jesus' words - and those words incontrovertibly show that he is not God.

Most striking in this regard is the prayer in the garden of Gethsemane - which perhaps I will touch upon in a different post. For that prayer showed the possibility of a dichotomy of wills between Jesus and God where he says "nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt". The whole prayer in Gethsemane is enough to end this discussion on its own.

Genesis 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Genesis 11:7
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Genesis 3:22
22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.

I just really want to know what you think about them . Thanks

I have told you that the plural used here is no ground for the Trinity. In the first place there is the common plural of royalty, which is often used for an all encompassing being such as God (and even for earthly sovereigns). The Quoran for example always uses the plural of royalty in referring to Allah. This does not mean that it is not very strictly monotheistic.

Secondly I also mentioned to you that it is a host of gods that embarked on this experiment of Earth and Man. Not the ultimate almighty God who is responsible for all reality and existence. The "Elohim." were a race of a higher intelligence that created the Earth and Man. This is the real reason for those plurals you see, but this may be going too far for you.

For now, just understand that the plural of royalty is normal for a deity or sovereign. It is used as such in the Quoran in reference to Allah all the time.

KingEbukasBlog:


I believe I'm putting up a good fight

There is no fight here o, nah gentle brotherly sharing of views, howbeit we very naturally have different views.

KingEbukasBlog:


I believe I'm putting up a good fight

lol

jonbellion:
lol

I have not seen you on the watchers thread.

Come and mark the register

MrPresident1:


I have not seen you on the watchers thread.

Come and mark the register

lol
I dey come

jonbellion:
lol
I dey come

We are all waiting for you

MrPresident1:


Tell me Plaetton, which describes you better, an irreligious person, or a godless person?

Neither.

I am a natural, free, mentally SOVEREIGN human being.

Both Religion and god are artificial, man-made constructs.

I refuse to define myself within those shallow, superficial boundaries.

For example, to define myself as GODLESS , I would first have to acknowledge that there is such a thing as god,..and I don't.

I cannot have less of what doesn't exist,..at least in my universe.

Likewise, to say that I am IRRELIGIOUS is to presume that being religious is a natural default state,.. which it is not.

[Deep Sight:]

Secondly I also mentioned to you that it is a host of gods that embarked on this experiment of Earth and Man. Not the ultimate almighty God who is responsible for all reality and existence. The "Elohim." were a race of a higher intelligence that created the Earth and Man. This is the real reason for those plurals you see, but this may be going too far for you.

You may choose to interest yourself in this as some preliminary reading as per the Elohim.

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/elohim-race-et

If it looks like gibberish to you, don't worry, just scratch it. We can revisit it another day.
But you should note that there are a great many pointers in the Old testament to the likelihood that the Elohim were really a race of super intelligent extra-terrestrial creators.

DeepSight:


There is no fight here o, nah gentle brotherly sharing of views, howbeit we very naturally have different views.

Drowning a poor dumb lad in a poodle of word-salads is not only a fight, but an unfair one.

Shame on you , Depardo.

plaetton:


Likewise, to say that I am IRRELIGIOUS is to presume that being religious is a natural default state,.. which it is not.

No, it doesn't presume that: how does it?

Being irreligious is just that: not subscribing to any religion. It in no way insinuates any suggestion of accepting that being religious is a default state.

plaetton:

Drowning a poor dumb lad

He is not a dumb lad: he is merely too deeply steeped in his doctrine to even see what is written in scripture. It happens to many Christians. They reject scripture outright in favour of their doctrine all the time. It's quite normal.

in a poodle of word-salads is not only a fight, but an unfair one.

Shame on you , Depardo.

For the salad is the word. . . . and most meet and right to refresh the soul and mind. . . .

DeepSight:


No, it doesn't presume that: how does it?

Being irreligious is just that: not subscribing to any religion. It in no way insinuates any suggestion of accepting that being religious is a default state.

It's similar to asking you if you describe yourself as a non-clown or an un-insane person. It presumes that both tendencies are the default states.

DeepSight:


You may choose to interest yourself in this as some preliminary reading as per the Elohim.

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/elohim-race-et

If it looks like gibberish to you, don't worry, just scratch it. We can revisit it another day.
But you should note that there are a great many pointers in the Old testament to the likelihood that the Elohim were really a race of super intelligent extra-terrestrial creators.

I know of the Elohims and the atheist movement -Raelism - who are proponents of Intelligent Design . I mentioned them on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion

I downloaded their books on their website few days ago

But the Raelians can't say how life ultimately began .

^^^ I hold that view Rael or no: I do not derive that view from Rael. Just referencing.

plaetton:

It's similar to asking you if you describe yourself as a non-clown or an un-insane person. It presumes that both tendencies are the default states.

No it is not. And you know that.

DeepSight:


He is not a dumb lad: he is merely too deeply steeped in his doctrine to even see what is written in scripture. It happens to many Christians. They reject scripture outright in favour of their doctrine all the time. It's quite normal.

Lol.

That's the Beauty, or should I say, Insanity of religious beliefs.

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For the salad is the word. . . . and most meet and right to refresh the soul and mind. . . . [/quote]


Now you're talking.

KingEbukasBlog:


I mean this

I think you should stop posting this very dangerous image, which poses potentially serious threats to world peace especially on this board.